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(USA Today)   "Abusive partners can sabotage contraception." So what you're telling me is that the gas station attendant *didn't* poke a hole in the condoms? I feel so bad for burning the place down now   (usatoday.com) divider line 177
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2013-01-24 09:54:05 AM
Guys wanting unplanned kids? That's a new one.
 
2013-01-24 09:54:41 AM
www.gsp.org
 
2013-01-24 09:54:44 AM
What an asinine thing to do...

I HATE YOU!!! Here let me put genetic material in you that ensures the state can give you 25% of my paycheck for the next 18 years minimum.
 
2013-01-24 09:55:07 AM
This should be a serious crime with real prison time.

Choice-theft, second degree.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-24 09:55:24 AM
Something about that article makes me not at all sympathetic. Maybe it's the "X% of women are victims of evil men" propaganda that I grew tired of long ago (when I still had cable with Lifetime). Maybe it's all the pro-abortion rights news recently that reminds me how asymmetric the situation is.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:08 AM
Those in the domestic violence advocacy field find this to be very old news.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:45 AM
But I was assured that women had a way of shutting that whole thing down.
 
2013-01-24 09:57:46 AM
Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?
 
2013-01-24 09:57:57 AM

Lord_Dubu: What an asinine thing to do...

I HATE YOU!!! Here let me put genetic material in you that ensures the state can give you 25% of my paycheck for the next 18 years minimum.


Yeah, makes no sense to me. But then again, domestic violence makes no sense to me.

/I'm fresh from coming from the "Some people just want to watch the world burn" thread
 
2013-01-24 09:58:21 AM
New feminism is on its last leg: it's treading dangerous waters. The article is slanted against those evil males who abuse their partners by inflicting on them the means of 18 years of child support.
This is way too close for comfort from the other-side-of-the-coin question reversal.
 
2013-01-24 10:00:27 AM
I love how the article was all about the poor women...like how no women ever will try to have a "keep a man" baby on purpose...
 
2013-01-24 10:01:18 AM

Burr: I love how the article was all about the poor women...like how no women ever will try to have a "keep a man" baby on purpose...


Either way, it should be a crime. Prison time, loss of custody, etc.
 
2013-01-24 10:01:57 AM
Why is it this article only mentions MEN sabotaging contraception or using reproductive coercion? I have a nephew whose fiancee, when their relationship hit the skids, got pregnant. I'm not the only one who thinks she did it so he wouldn't dump her crazy ass.
 
2013-01-24 10:03:19 AM

Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?


It probably correlates to the same percentage of men who refuse to protect them-own-damn-selves by wearing a condom.
 
2013-01-24 10:03:20 AM

amindtat: Why is it this article only mentions MEN sabotaging contraception or using reproductive coercion? I have a nephew whose fiancee, when their relationship hit the skids, got pregnant. I'm not the only one who thinks she did it so he wouldn't dump her crazy ass.


Because the group of OB/GYNs the article about don't mention that situation - the reporter is just passively reporting.
 
2013-01-24 10:04:10 AM
But these guys look like stand-up fellas:

www.everythingaction.com
 
2013-01-24 10:04:24 AM

alephtau: New feminism is on its last leg: it's treading dangerous waters. The article is slanted against those evil males who abuse their partners by inflicting on them the means of 18 years of child support.
This is way too close for comfort from the other-side-of-the-coin question reversal.


This is sure to bring out the angry, wages garnished for children they never wanted crowd.
 
2013-01-24 10:04:33 AM
FTFA: boyfriend takes off a condom in the middle of sex

"What am I reaching into your vagina for? Uh, no reason. The G-spot is in there somewhere, right?"
 
2013-01-24 10:09:18 AM

Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?


I usually try not to partake in Fark Misogyny™, but I've actually seen this happen twice IRL (two different women, both admitted as much; once to keep her BF from going to Iraq, the other to "help" her shiatty marriage) and know a guy who had a vasectomy because he didn't trust his wife not to pull it on him. (Wonderful relationship they have, too.)

Whereas TFA sounds like it's happening in Bizarro-World.

But, yeah, if it's something that happens mostly with pre-existing abusive relationships, I guess they wouldn't be my sort of people. And it does make a certain amount of sense - take a person who already feels like they need to stay with you even though you're beating the snot out of them, and make them even more beholden to you.

I guess I'm slightly relieved not to have ever dealt with anything like this.

La-la-la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you-people-are-generally-good-and-decent- l a-la-la-la-la-la.
 
2013-01-24 10:10:02 AM
In before the fundalmentalists come in and say, "Good. Sex should be for baby making, not pleasure."
 
2013-01-24 10:11:52 AM
Wow what a sexist article.

I've heard plenty of CSBs about the woman practicing reproductive coercion in order to keep the man from leaving.
Would I be going to far out on a limb to suggest that maybe the woman thinks getting pregnant will tame her abusive partner?
 
2013-01-24 10:11:54 AM

ZAZ: Something about that article makes me not at all sympathetic. Maybe it's the "X% of women are victims of evil men" propaganda that I grew tired of long ago (when I still had cable with Lifetime).

alephtau: New feminism is on its last leg: it's treading dangerous waters. The article is slanted against those evil males who abuse their partners by inflicting on them the means of 18 years of child support.


I see the MRA talking points are out.
 
2013-01-24 10:11:56 AM
I can't stand it, I know you planned it.
 
2013-01-24 10:11:57 AM

dv-ous: I usually try not to partake in Fark Misogyny™, but I've actually seen this happen twice IRL


I'm not 100% sure I have ever known anyone this has happened to, but I have heard two different women drunkenly suggest they might do it. I have never known a man say such a thing, but abusive men are far easier for me to cut out of my social circles, apparently.

Not that they were persons worthy of a great deal of respect beforehand, but its still pretty farked up.
 
2013-01-24 10:13:36 AM

dv-ous: Whereas TFA sounds like it's happening in Bizarro-World.


It's all about controlling every aspect of their lives. Complete and utter control.

Don't let them have a job - they have no money to leave you.
Don't let them have friends/speak with family - they have no support group.
Keep them knocked up - she'll stay because of the kids...
 
2013-01-24 10:14:12 AM
www.condom.co.nz
 
2013-01-24 10:17:19 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?

It probably correlates to the same percentage of men who refuse to protect them-own-damn-selves by wearing a condom.


Didn't you see the article and subsequent thread yesterday about how wearing a condom totally negates the pleasurable effects of sexual relations? Geez, get with the times.
 
2013-01-24 10:18:13 AM

amindtat: Why is it this article only mentions MEN sabotaging contraception or using reproductive coercion? I have a nephew whose fiancee, when their relationship hit the skids, got pregnant. I'm not the only one who thinks she did it so he wouldn't dump her crazy ass.


Oh, come on, we all know that men will happily put on a condom, if only they can poke a tiny pinhole in the end of it.  The loss of sensation is well worth the unplanned pregnancy
 
2013-01-24 10:18:21 AM

Farce-Side: CapeFearCadaver: Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?

It probably correlates to the same percentage of men who refuse to protect them-own-damn-selves by wearing a condom.

Didn't you see the article and subsequent thread yesterday about how wearing a condom totally negates the pleasurable effects of sexual relations? Geez, get with the times.


Whar male birth control pill, whar?
 
2013-01-24 10:21:10 AM
Uh..all the "reproductive coercion" I've ever seen has been from chicks to dudes. "I must have forgot to take my pill, I must be that 1%" etc. I'm sure it goes the other way as well, but to presuppose that it's mostly dudes doing the coercion seems disingenuous.
 
2013-01-24 10:21:57 AM
This just in... forcing someone to perform certain sexual acts is wrong. Film at eleven.

This article feels like one of the many redundant abuse articles I see sometimes that say "if a man does X against a woman, that's abuse" when doing X ever, to anyone ought to be a crime. It just feels weird to me to see genders used when the act should not be done by anyone. Lying or acting in such a way to "force" a pregnancy is a bad thing, regardless of who does it.

At least in most abuse awareness articles, men ARE the main perpetrators. We wouldn't have to make such a fuss over men beating women in particular if a bunch of men would actually stop beating women. In this case though, I personally feel pregnancy "fraud" is probably done a lot more often by women. I have no stats, but then again, neither does TFA.
 
2013-01-24 10:22:25 AM

AbbeySomeone: This is sure to bring out the angry, wages garnished for children they never wanted crowd.


They're a problem, aren't they?
 
2013-01-24 10:22:36 AM
There's some sort of agenda here.

What could it be? It's a mirage. Scheming on a thing? That's sabotage.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:10 AM
Biased article is biased.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:21 AM
FTA: Reproductive coercion occurs whenever a partner tries to prevent a woman from making her own choices about pregnancy.

Fixed: Reproductive coercion occurs whenever a partner tries to prevent a someone from making her own choices about pregnancy
 
2013-01-24 10:27:35 AM
99% percent of coerced conception is initiated by females looking to own their partner for the next 18 years and 9 months.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:01 AM

Tillmaster: Biased article is biased.


The biased "article" in question isn't even an article:

http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Fulltext/2013/02000/Committee_Op i nion_No__554___Reproductive_and.42.aspx
 
2013-01-24 10:31:18 AM

Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?


Exactly.
 
2013-01-24 10:32:38 AM
Blerg.

Abstract for those behind a paywall:

ABSTRACT: Reproductive and sexual coercion involves behavior intended to maintain power and control in a relationship related to reproductive health by someone who is, was, or wishes to be involved in an intimate or dating relationship with an adult or adolescent. This behavior includes explicit attempts to impregnate a partner against her will, control outcomes of a pregnancy, coerce a partner to have unprotected sex, and interfere with contraceptive methods. Obstetrician-gynecologists are in a unique position to address reproductive and sexual coercion and provide screening and clinical interventions to improve health outcomes. Because of the known link between reproductive health and violence, health care providers should screen women and adolescent girls for intimate partner violence and reproductive and sexual coercion at periodic intervals such as annual examinations, new patient visits, and during obstetric care (at the first prenatal visit, at least once per trimester, and at the postpartum checkup). Interventions include education on the effect of reproductive and sexual coercion and intimate partner violence on patients' health and choices, counseling on harm-reduction strategies, and prevention of unintended pregnancies by offering long-acting methods of contraception that are less detectable to partners.
 
2013-01-24 10:32:52 AM
This does actually happen in abusive relationships; it's a way for a man to keep his woman "at home and out of trouble." There is also an element of ownership and machismo in knowing you've made a woman pregnant whether she wanted to be or not.

If you didn't already understand this, congrats: you either are not, or have never had to deal with a man who is that type of abuser.


/two kids and more than one termination before we could get her and the babies the hell out of there.
 
2013-01-24 10:33:47 AM
This is news? This has been the standard MO for the 'barefoot and pregnant' brigade for some time now.

mexican bathtub cheese: 99% percent of coerced conception is initiated by females looking to own their partner for the next 18 years and 9 months.


Sweetie, nobody wants your sperm. Calm down.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:28 AM
FWIW, OB/GYNs are there for the ladies, not for the dudes. They probably aren't really qualified to make general statements about the prevalence of coerced reproduction when you consider both genders. Shame on the journalist, I guess, but I can't say I'm surprised or outraged.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:29 AM

peasants_are_revolting: Farce-Side: Where's the percentage of the crazy broads who tell you they're on the pill, when actually they're just trying to get your babby batter so you're stuck dealing with them for the next 18 years? What about that percentage, HMMMMM?!?!?

Exactly.


Well supposedly that doesn't count cause it is her body and her choice to make whether by deception or accident.

If it truly was the womans choice all by herself the courts wouldn't be consistantly taxing men for her decision.
 
2013-01-24 10:36:46 AM

balisane: /two kids and more than one termination before we could get her and the babies the hell out of there.


So she stayed with the abusive guy for over 18 months?

Sounds like he was only part of the problem.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:33 AM
This is one of the reasons to use multiple methods. Bring your own, insist on using it, and pick something your partner is unlikely to also bring.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:13 AM

ZAZ: Something about that article makes me not at all sympathetic. Maybe it's the "X% of women are victims of evil men" propaganda that I grew tired of long ago (when I still had cable with Lifetime). Maybe it's all the pro-abortion rights news recently that reminds me how asymmetric the situation is.


Maybe it's the fact that people laugh at the abstinent, who are the only people 100% guaranteed to not create an unintended pregnancy.
 
Ant
2013-01-24 10:43:00 AM
Uh oh. Here come all the poor oppressed men to tell us how they were forced into having a baby by some woman that they chose to have sex with.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:20 AM

Chach: ZAZ: Something about that article makes me not at all sympathetic. Maybe it's the "X% of women are victims of evil men" propaganda that I grew tired of long ago (when I still had cable with Lifetime). Maybe it's all the pro-abortion rights news recently that reminds me how asymmetric the situation is.

Maybe it's the fact that people laugh at the abstinent, who are the only people 100% guaranteed to not create an unintended pregnancy.


They are also 100% guaranteed not to have a good time.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:47 AM

Giltric: balisane: /two kids and more than one termination before we could get her and the babies the hell out of there.

So she stayed with the abusive guy for over 18 months?

Sounds like he was only part of the problem.


If you think it's that easy for people to get out of abusive situations, I envy your sheltered life. Sincerely.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:04 AM

Ant: Uh oh. Here come all the poor oppressed men to tell us how they were forced into having a baby by some woman that they chose to have sex with.


If it should be a crime when a man does it to a woman, it should be a crime when a woman does it to a man. Do you disagree?
 
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