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2013-01-24 09:06:40 AM  
4 votes:
Why do people say 'anti-semite' instead of 'racist'?
2013-01-26 04:21:11 AM  
3 votes:

Amos Quito: Keep saying that, Tappy.  Who knows - with a wave of a magic wand and a sprinkle of fairy dust - it may just come true!

I would remind you that you are not attempting to "debunk" me, but the work of the famed Jewish historian Sir Martin John Gilbert, and while I would be happy to dissect, line by line, point by point, the unsigned Zionist screed scribbled by the "staff" of CAMERA that you rely on as PROOF! that Ben-Gurion didn't really MEAN what he said when he said what he said, I'll save that thrashing for another thread.


by cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history, Among others. I already posted this about 4 times now in this thread.

Proof:

The Ben Gurion quote is taken from comments he made to Mapai's central committee on December 7, 1938. This followed Britain's decision to deny entrance into Palestine of 10,000 German Jewish orphans in the wake of Kristallnacht, instead offering them asylum within Great Britain. It was almost a year before the Nazis launched World War II and several years before the Final Solution (to annihilate the Jews) was methodically implemented. While Ben Gurion believed that Germany's anti-Jewish policies would necessitate creating a safe haven for numerous Jewish refugees that no other country was willing to accept, he had no way of predicting the enormity of what was to follow.

The British offer to accept several thousand children appeared to be a gesture of conscience allowing Britain to close the doors of Palestine - not only to those German orphans, but to future refugees as well. Ben Gurion had recently witnessed the results of the international Evian conference, which had been convened in July 1938 to address the growing Jewish refugee problem, and knew that other countries were also unwilling to accept hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees. He believed that only a Jewish homeland would be able to properly absorb these Jews. Thus Ben Gurion stated that "our concern is not only the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people" (translation from the stenographic records by Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, Harcourt Brace & Co. 1996, p. 47).

According to the records of the Mapai meeting, Yitzchak Ben Zvi immediately clarified Ben Gurion's brusque remark, explaining "ten thousand children are a small part of Germany's [Jewish] children...They [the British] don't intend to save Germany's Jews, and certainly not all of them. The moment the Jewish State Plan [the Peel plan] was shelved, the possibility of complete rescue of Germany's Jews was shelved with it." (ibid. p. 48)

There is ample evidence - ignored by Ignatiev - that Ben Gurion viewed the rescue of Jews as paramount. As early as 1936, Ben Gurion told Palestine's high commissioner, Sir Arthur Wauchope, that "had there been the possiblity of bringing Poland's Jews to the United States or Argentina, we would have done so regardless of our Zionist beliefs. But the world was closed to us. And had there also not been room for us in Palestine, our people would have had only one way out: to commit suicide" (Ben Gurion, Memoirs, p.3:105, cited in Shabtai Teveth, Ben Gurion and the Holocaust, pp xlix, 110). And in November 1941, Ben Gurion argued that "the supremely important thing now is salvage, and nation-building is incidental" (Teveth, ibid. p.xlviii).

It was only in November 1942 that the Yishuv became aware of the systematic slaughter of Jews. The Zionist leadership established a rescue committee and raised hundreds of thousands of pounds for the rescue mission. Ben Gurion made his priorities clear at a September 1943 fund-raising meeting of the Mobilization and Rescue Appeal in Jerusalem where he hailed the Allies' invasion of Europe for "first of all, and foremost, the saving of Jews, then the saving of the Yishuv, and finally and thirdly the saving of Zionism" (cited in Teveth, p. 143). He emphasized the importance of funding the rescue mission, saying:

"We must do whatever is humanly possible...to extend material aid to those working on rescue operations in order to save [those who] can still be saved, to delay the calamity as far as it can be delayed. [And we must] do it immediately, to the best of our ability. I hesitate to say - since the matter is so serious - that we shall do our utmost; we are flesh and blood and cannot do the maximum, but we shall do what we can." (quoted in Friling, Tuvia, Arrows in the Dark, University of Wisconsin Press 2003)

Amos Quito: For the moment, all we need to know is this: In "debunking" Ben-Gurion's statement, the "staff" of Zionist shills at CAMERA rely on ONE SOURCE for their "PROOF!", and that is the writings of Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion's official biographer - the SAME MAN whose works Sir Martin John Gilbert relied on as the source of the quote that you find so irritating.


See above for Proof.

Amos Quito: Do you really believe that Gilbert, a world renown historian, Churchill's official biographer, and author of over 80 books on the history of the 20th century - INCLUDING numerous works on WWI, WWII AND the Holocaust simply "overlooked" the material that your Zionist pals at CAMERA dangle in their attempts at Ben-Gurion revisionism?


No because he didn't use it to display his anti-semitic conspircy bullshiat theories like yourself. As proven and cited by the information given in the Camera article which you can research yourself if you don't believe it exists.

Amos Quito: I suggest you write Sir Gilbert a letter. Point him to the CAMERA article, and tell him that he is a fool - ignorant of the history.


I suggest you stop using that quote out of context while ignore the rest of the Ben Gurion information that contradict your bullshiat anti-semitic conspiracy rants.

Bolding text is fun.

Amos Quito: Oh, and don't forget to link to this thread as PROOF! that you debunked Sir Gilbert. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of that.


Not Sir Gilbert, You. The anti-semite turd who keeps bringing an out of context quote to present his favorite anti-semitic bullshiat rant which was debunked over and over and over again.
2013-01-24 10:14:06 AM  
3 votes:
This makes me so terribly sad. I really don't understand anti-Semitism.... I just don't. The majority of us live in quiet, well kept homes. We pay our taxes. We take care of our own and rarely use social services. We don't go around knocking on doors and annoying the shiat out of people trying to get them to convert. I mean, I seriously don't understand the hate. Stereotypes? Sure. I'm Jewish and even I laugh at some of the stereotypes. But to just flat out hate us.... I don't get it, at least in the US.
2013-01-25 04:13:57 PM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: No one should give a flying fark about who owned what a century ago. Even things a couple generations back shouldn't being the primary issue.


Correct. And as i said this is a fact: Israel exists and will continue to exist despite the fantasies of arab jihadists, Dhimmi useful idiots and anti-semite idiots like Amos Quito.

Smackledorfer: don't care whose bible says what, who thinks the holiness of a place belongs to them, or whose granddad killed whose. It is too late to fix those problems and all that can be done now is look at how things are and find a way forward. Demanding that the location belong to either Jews or Palestinians is a foolish argument. People have a right to live where they are born. That includes both Jews (who depending on what you believe have parents/grandparents who had no right to settle there) and Palestinians (and depending on what people believe they never really existed, never had a state, or have no historical claim either). Both are there now, and the current apartheid state is deplorable.


Correct and that was the basis of the Partition Plan. Guess who rejected it and tried to eradicate the other side ?

Smackledorfer: As for which side is more violent or more "wrong" that is a much more complicated question than the history of the area. It isn't all Jews or all Palestinians pushing against one another. It is a small percent on both sides who are being able to continue their operations thanks to their own enemies. The settlers with tacit government approval push an agenda to eliminate any chance at prosperity for the Palestinians, and the acts of terror by the Palestinians gives them an excuse to do so.


And yet the palestinians declare that their goal is the eradication of Israel and the taking of what they see as arab land. Both of the main factions of the palestinian leadership (although Hamas are more up front about it than Fatah).
The palestinians were the ones who refused to negotiate in good faith, even when Israel agreed to accept almost all of their demands (Camp David 2000) but that will mean the palestinians will no longer be the puppets of the arab world against Israel and the ones who actually control the fate of the palestinians, the ones sitting in Syria and Iran, decided to continue the 'jihad'.

Israel had forced settlers out of regions in the past, in fact Gaza was a great testing ground when all of the israeli settlers withdrew from the region. The palestinians in response moved their missile launchers closer to the border for better aim at israeli cities while decimating plantations left by the israeli setters.

Smackledorfer: For my 2c, the Palestinian people have no reasonable capability of stopping the violence from their side, while the Israeli government CAN control what its people do because it has such greater resources.


Simply not true. The moment Hamas understood that firing rockets on Israel will end badly in the last conflict a couple of months ago and they agreed to a cease fire not a single mortar/missile/stone was fired from Gaza.
Israel do control its people, otherwise there would be no more gaza by now after close to a decade of constant bombing of israeli cities.

Smackledorfer: but the only way toward peace is for the Israelis, as the stronger of the two, to be unwavering in the seeking of peace and to accept some lumps on the way


Again, you are simply not aware of the facts. Israel for long periods of time did not retaliate when the palestinians were firing dozens of rockets a day on israeli cities. There is no 'circle of violence' simply because the reason for the palestinians 'jihad' is the existence of Israel, period. They say so openly.

Smackledorfer: By throwing force back against force while continuing the settlements and other provoking measures like not recognizing a Palestinian state and not giving the state the chance to even attempt self governance, the Israelis succeed in nothing more than churning out generation after generation of violent rebels against their control


What palestinian state ? the one that never ever existed ? are you referring to the West Bank (previously Jordan) ? Gaza ? (previously Egypt) ? the only state in the region which is the De facto palestinian state is called Jordan.
If the arabs want another arab country in the region with arabs who now call themselves palestinians, maybe they should accept the fact that Israel exists and it's not going away. Something that seems to be very difficult for them.
2013-01-25 03:10:00 PM  
2 votes:

TappingTheVein: Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.


No one should give a flying fark about who owned what a century ago. Even things a couple generations back shouldn't being the primary issue.

I don't care whose bible says what, who thinks the holiness of a place belongs to them, or whose granddad killed whose. It is too late to fix those problems and all that can be done now is look at how things are and find a way forward. Demanding that the location belong to either Jews or Palestinians is a foolish argument. People have a right to live where they are born. That includes both Jews (who depending on what you believe have parents/grandparents who had no right to settle there) and Palestinians (and depending on what people believe they never really existed, never had a state, or have no historical claim either). Both are there now, and the current apartheid state is deplorable.

As for which side is more violent or more "wrong" that is a much more complicated question than the history of the area. It isn't all Jews or all Palestinians pushing against one another. It is a small percent on both sides who are being able to continue their operations thanks to their own enemies. The settlers with tacit government approval push an agenda to eliminate any chance at prosperity for the Palestinians, and the acts of terror by the Palestinians gives them an excuse to do so.

For my 2c, the Palestinian people have no reasonable capability of stopping the violence from their side, while the Israeli government CAN control what its people do because it has such greater resources. I'm not saying its fair, but the only way toward peace is for the Israelis, as the stronger of the two, to be unwavering in the seeking of peace and to accept some lumps on the way. By throwing force back against force while continuing the settlements and other provoking measures like not recognizing a Palestinian state and not giving the state the chance to even attempt self governance, the Israelis succeed in nothing more than churning out generation after generation of violent rebels against their control.
2013-01-24 06:39:51 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: What "facts"?


The fact that by cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history, Among others. I already posted this about 4 times now in this thread.

Amos Quito: I cite Sir Martin John Gilbert, a "British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford. He is the author of over eighty books, including works on the Holocaust and Jewish history. Gilbert is a leading historian of the modern world, and is known as the official biographer of Sir Winston Churchill."


You try to rebut Gilbert by citing  CAMERA " The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is an American non-profit pro-Israel media watchdog group.[3] The group says it was founded in 1982 "to respond to the Washington Post's coverage of Israel's Lebanon incursion", and to respond to what it considers the media's "general anti-Israel bias

So who are we to believe? A world renown historian, or a pack of agenda-driven Zionist apologists whose work is SO shoddy that they don't even dare to claim authorship?


And again you refuse to actually address the facts presented in the Camera article which i posted over and over again.
Again you pathetically try to kill the messenger while squirming your way to avoid touching the message with a ten-foot pole.

This was already discussed with you ad nauseum, your bullshiat debunked over and over and over again. You using the same exact quote by the same exact author to present your anti-semitic conspiracy drivel makes it extremely easy to do.
2013-01-24 06:06:30 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: Amos Quito: Jews DO control the media

An anynomous blog post.

Pretty rock solid proof.



Since the 1960's academic history has been re-written to expose the myths of America's previous accepted history. We killed the indians, we worked our children in mines, we exploited everyone we came in contact with. This happened not only in America but everywhere thoughout the West.
We white people are now given such a bleak view of our history that the obvious redeeming feaures are overlooked.

The only people that still cling to a mythologized past are the Jewish people. They are educated to believe that thoughout history they have been blameless victims of gentile cruelty. You people need to rewrite your history books. You will never understand the present if you don't understand the past.
2013-01-24 02:20:56 PM  
2 votes:

George Babbitt: generallyso: Why do people say 'anti-semite' instead of 'racist'?

Because no one wants to talk about the superiority complex that Jews have regarding everyone that isn't a Jew.


No, I call you an anti-Semite because for all I know your racism might be only limited to Jewish people. I mean, you might be racist against black people or Asians, too, for all I know, but if so I haven't seen it yet.

And I wouldn't want to paint with too broad a brush. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
2013-01-24 01:37:28 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: Hobodeluxe: liam76: So, to be a member of the US media you have to be jewish?

no that's a strawman.

Why are you cherry picking that line and ignoring what Amos said?

He compared Jews in Media to blacks in the congressional black caucus. For that comparison to be apt you would have to be jewish to be in the media.

There is no strawman in pointing out he is wrong, that you chose to sut that part out after I amde it very clear to you shows how dishonest you are.


Hobodeluxe: and if you go look at those companies and their board of directors,major stockholders and top executives you'd find that they are in a huge majority. nowhere close to the same ratio as the general population.

as for some vast conspiracy can you deny that these groups aren't trying to direct US policy in favor of Israel? That they aren't buying politicians and /or using their media to intimidate or coerce them? you'd be lying if you did. and you know it.

That sounds like a vast conspiracy. Especially when you are defending the claim that they "control" media.

Who are in "these groups"? Is it all jews? Do they have jew meeting where they get together and decide which politicians to buy?


Hobodeluxe: Now I could list a lot of the major media and bank people but we don't need to go that far. We all know I'm right about it. You just won't admit it.

Right about what?

Yes there are a lot of jews in media, yes there are a lot of jews in finance, you have yet to define "neocon" and what percent are jewish, but I will accept that many are jewish. So what?

Are all jews part of this mysterious group? Why can't you name this group?


Hobodeluxe: But move along , nothing to see here right?

We have a nutter who is hinting at jews being part of some nefarious "group", all to common for it to be a big something, but I wouldn't say it is nothing.


no not all Jews are Zionists,neocons or right-wing. Some are liberal,progressive and some are of different religions or even Atheists. but there is a faction of right wing,hardline Zionists that are dedicated to certain ideologies that want to control the US govt in order to do Israel's bidding even to the detriment of the US.
2013-01-24 12:32:46 PM  
2 votes:
You would think he would be a little more grateful to them after they put him in power.
2013-01-24 12:10:52 PM  
2 votes:

Joe Blowme: No, I'm not Zionist.

That is the only truthful thing you have posted thus far, so im going with death cult member. praise be the pedo bear mo, (piss be upon him)

Do you know WHO ELSE tried to round up Jews and CONCENTRATE them into tiny, highly vulnerable areas?

[www1.american.edu image 322x385]

Zionism: Death cult indeed.

The UN?



LOL! The UN didn't "create" Israel - they just rubber-stamped the work of the Zionists.

Hell, the UN didn't even exist until 1945.

Political Zionism,OTOH, had been working like hell to lay their hands on the real estate and to populate it with Jews (most of which wanted NO PART of the scheme) for 50 years prior to the founding of the UN.

The push for Political Zionism preceded the "Young Turk Revolution", preceded WWI, the Bolshevik Revolution, WWII and the Holocaust by DECADES.

Joe Blowme: Israel was the solution for the worlds greatest refugee problem that went on for two thousand years



No, the goal of Political Zionism was not to deal with a "refugee problem", or even a "persecution problem", rather, it was intended to deal with a much GREATER threat: The ASSIMILATION problem.

The greatest threat to Judaism and to the Jews AS A PEOPLE as ALWAYS been that they would simply meld into their host societies, forget that they were Jews, and simply start thinking of themselves as "people".

That threat continues to be the GREATEST fear of Jewish / Zionist leaders to this day.

Assimilation is and always has been the greatest fear.

Why? I don't know. Perhaps you can tell me?
2013-01-24 09:30:12 AM  
2 votes:
Jews DO control the media

TIMES OF ISRAEL

QUOTE:

"Let's be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We've got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it's almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be "Tropic Thunder" or "Curb Your Enthusiasm," is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?

"But that's not all. We also control the ads that go on those TV shows.

"And let's not forget AIPAC, every anti-Semite's favorite punching bag. We're talking an organization that's practically the equivalent of the Elders of Zion. I'll never forget when I was involved in Israeli advocacy in college and being at one of the many AIPAC conventions. A man literally stood in front of us and told us that their whole goal was to only work with top-50 school graduate students because they would eventually be the people making changes in the government. Here I am, an idealistic little kid that goes to a bottom 50 school (ASU) who wants to do some grassroots advocacy, and these guys are literally talking about infiltrating the government. Intense.

END QUOTE

t2.gstatic.com

Times of Israel?

Hmmm.

Why does that name sound familiar?


;-)
2013-01-24 09:29:17 AM  
2 votes:
He has a mild point.
Criticize Israel, you be anti-semite-in'.
2013-01-27 04:10:29 PM  
1 vote:
On second thought, Amos Quito, it was more pathetic to bring in your alt InterruptingQuirk to post that. This must be some kind of record.
my hat's off to you good sir!
2013-01-27 03:26:15 PM  
1 vote:
I'm just going to leave this here to show that CAMERA is not a credible source for debunking anything considering their record for 'advocacy over accuracy'.
2013-01-27 02:58:19 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: I see. You are incapable of independent thought.


Apparently you're not just an anti-semite sack of shiat but a reading comprehension challenged anti-semite sack of shiat.
2013-01-26 04:58:05 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: Just out of curiosity, what (in your mind) do you THINK you just proved / disproved / bunked / debunked etc?

Please be precise.


Read above. It's posted only about 5 or 6 times.
2013-01-25 06:21:07 PM  
1 vote:

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: What "facts"?

The fact that by cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history, Among others. I already posted this about 4 times now in this thread.

Amos Quito: I cite Sir Martin John Gilbert, a "British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford. He is the author of over eighty books, including works on the Holocaust and Jewish history. Gilbert is a leading historian of the modern world, and is known as the official biographer of Sir Winston Churchill."


You try to rebut Gilbert by citing  CAMERA " The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is an American non-profit pro-Israel media watchdog group.[3] The group says it was founded in 1982 "to respond to the Washington Post's coverage of Israel's Lebanon incursion", and to respond to what it considers the media's "general anti-Israel bias

So who are we to believe? A world renown historian, or a pack of agenda-driven Zionist apologists whose work is SO shoddy that they don't even dare to claim authorship?

And again you refuse to actually address the facts presented in the Camera article which i posted over and over again.
Again you pathetically try to kill the messenger while squirming your way to avoid touching the message with a ten-foot pole.

This was already discussed with you ad nauseum, your bullshiat debunked over and over and over again. You using the same exact quote by the same exact author to present your anti-semitic conspiracy drivel makes it extremely easy to do.



Keep saying that, Tappy.  Who knows - with a wave of a magic wand and a sprinkle of fairy dust - it may just come true!

I would remind you that you are not attempting to "debunk" me, but the work of the famed Jewish historian Sir Martin John Gilbert, and while I would be happy to dissect, line by line, point by point, the unsigned Zionist screed scribbled by the "staff" of CAMERA that you rely on as PROOF! that Ben-Gurion didn't really MEAN what he said when he said what he said, I'll save that thrashing for another thread.

For the moment, all we need to know is this: In "debunking" Ben-Gurion's statement, the "staff" of Zionist shills at CAMERA rely on ONE SOURCE for their "PROOF!", and that is the writings of Shabtai Teveth, Ben-Gurion's official biographer - the SAME MAN whose works Sir Martin John Gilbert relied on as the source of the quote that you find so irritating.

Do you really believe that Gilbert, a world renown historian, Churchill's official biographer, and author of over 80 books on the history of the 20th century - INCLUDING numerous works on WWI, WWII AND the Holocaust simply "overlooked" the material that your Zionist pals at CAMERA dangle in their attempts at Ben-Gurion revisionism?

Or maybe Martin Gilbert is just a Jewish anti-Semite? (That's the WORST kind, you know)

I suggest you write Sir Gilbert a letter. Point him to the CAMERA article, and tell him that he is a fool - ignorant of the history.

Oh, and don't forget to link to this thread as PROOF! that you debunked Sir Gilbert. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of that.

TTYS, Tappy.

You have a joyous weekend.
2013-01-25 03:55:06 PM  
1 vote:

Smackledorfer: No one should give a flying fark about who owned what a century ago. Even things a couple generations back shouldn't being the primary issue.

I don't care whose bible says what, who thinks the holiness of a place belongs to them, or whose granddad killed whose. It is too late to fix those problems and all that can be done now is look at how things are and find a way forward. Demanding that the location belong to either Jews or Palestinians is a foolish argument. People have a right to live where they are born. That includes both Jews (who depending on what you believe have parents/grandparents who had no right to settle there) and Palestinians (and depending on what people believe they never really existed, never had a state, or have no historical claim either). Both are there now, and the current apartheid state is deplorable.


Apartheid implies Palestenians are Israeli citizens.

Smackledorfer: As for which side is more violent or more "wrong" that is a much more complicated question than the history of the area. It isn't all Jews or all Palestinians pushing against one another. It is a small percent on both sides who are being able to continue their operations thanks to their own enemies. The settlers with tacit government approval push an agenda to eliminate any chance at prosperity for the Palestinians, and the acts of terror by the Palestinians gives them an excuse to do so.


The settlers have been pushed out of some areas, and Israel was rewarded with more rocket attacks.

That doesn't make Israel settlements in the WB ok, but you can see why many see no benefit in moving them.

Smackledorfer: For my 2c, the Palestinian people have no reasonable capability of stopping the violence from their side, while the Israeli government CAN control what its people do because it has such greater resources. I'm not saying its fair, but the only way toward peace is for the Israelis, as the stronger of the two, to be unwavering in the seeking of peace and to accept some lumps on the way. By throwing force back against force while continuing the settlements and other provoking measures like not recognizing a Palestinian state and not giving the state the chance to even attempt self governance, the Israelis succeed in nothing more than churning out generation after generation of violent rebels against their control


I would agree about the settlement. But your bit about violence only works if they lived in a vacuum.

They have taken steps to give them self governance and it inevitably leads to more attacks.

There isn't going to be peace until groups in Palestine that care more about killing Israeli's than helping their children (cough Hamas cough) are only fringe groups. That isn't going to happen until surrounding arabs accept the state of Israel and see defeating it as less important than helping palestenians.
2013-01-25 11:09:46 AM  
1 vote:

George Babbitt: liam76: You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.
See above.


What did I take out of context?

I said that link was garbage and not true, you tried to argue it was, and that a deal to let all the jews in Europe go to spain in 41 and 42 happened. That would mean jews in concentration camps and death camps chose to stay.
2013-01-25 10:11:01 AM  
1 vote:

George Babbitt: You two have fun stripping out only those things that you want to engage. Tapping, you have spent how much time deriding Amos for taking something out of context, and then you are going to do it to me?


What is left to engage ? it's already obvious that you are clueless and have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you seem to suffer from some kind of a religious retardation. And if what liam76 said about your comment on concentration camps you are batshiat insane.
But it's great how you grasped the fact that Amos Quito is talking out of his anti-semitic ass again. So you got that going for you. Which is nice.

George Babbitt: Ok, I know that I'm just being trolled, but now it feels like you two are paid to distract and suck up the time and energy of those things which are not popularly stated. Congratulations, you're doing a wonderful job of it.


Dude, whatever you're taking/snorting/huffing, you should stop. It's not good for you.
2013-01-25 06:04:43 AM  
1 vote:

George Babbitt: Are you kidding with that source? I'm not denying that there was an influx of Arab's following the installment of Jews in the area, but you want me to read anything written by a British Palestinian Mandate born Jew? Her family were probably shooting at the British to drive them out vis-a-vis the Irgun.


So you're going to ignore the facts she presents, which you can research yourself, and refuse to accept it because she's a jew ? well, judging from your bullshiat thus far it kinda makes sense.

liam76: You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.


Ok.. that's insane even by Amos Quito anti-semitic conspiracy ravings, which says a lot.
2013-01-24 08:43:28 PM  
1 vote:

George Babbitt: liam76: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.

You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.

What does an atheist know of such things anyways with your Selfish Gene.


Such things? A basic understanding of history and common sense, much more than you.


/and no that isn't a dig on your particularly silly interpretation of Christianity and Judaism.
2013-01-24 08:34:14 PM  
1 vote:

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.


You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.
2013-01-24 07:57:15 PM  
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George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.


Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.
2013-01-24 07:48:42 PM  
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George Babbitt: The U.N. tells the story straightThe Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem


The Alliyas, buying of land and its development by jews predates 1917. Not to mention the historical ties of the jewish people to Israel. The arabs farked themselves when they refused the partition Plan. A trend (farking themselves) that will repeat itself throughout decades later.

George Babbitt: You say you don't believe in God, yet the complex you possess is God sized


Ok.. on second thought i don't think i'll be having whatever you're snorting.

George Babbitt: You mean like Lebanon that has a 41% Christian population.


Lebanon! the bastion of equality, peace, unity and security. Especially when christians are involved.

George Babbitt: Well now that we know that you are a commie, at least we can move forward with equal footing, at least when you finally stop putting words in my mouth too.


Thanks for the laugh man. More than a decade on Fark and this is the first time a clown calls me a commie. And i thought iv'e seen it all.
2013-01-24 07:37:05 PM  
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Vectron: liam76: Amos Quito: Jews DO control the media

An anynomous blog post.

Pretty rock solid proof.


Since the 1960's academic history has been re-written to expose the myths of America's previous accepted history. We killed the indians, we worked our children in mines, we exploited everyone we came in contact with. This happened not only in America but everywhere thoughout the West.
We white people are now given such a bleak view of our history that the obvious redeeming feaures are overlooked.

The only people that still cling to a mythologized past are the Jewish people. They are educated to believe that thoughout history they have been blameless victims of gentile cruelty. You people need to rewrite your history books. You will never understand the present if you don't understand the past.


So how were they to blame in the holocaust? Getting expelled from Spain? Russian pogroms?

I am also curious if you think native Americans were blameless for what Europeans/america did to them?

As for your use of 'you' I am mostly Irish, my family is all catholic (which I was brought up as) and I am an atheist.
2013-01-24 06:48:48 PM  
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George Babbitt: The world's guilt built that country, not the people of the 'State of Israel'.


Right, because all the history predating the UN declaration: The Alliyas, buying of land, turning a desolate shiathole to a country is something that should be ignored.

George Babbitt: Still belies the point that considering you don't believe in any of the 'bible fairy tales' that this particular country garners your last measure of devotion in the course of it's defense.


Eh ? repeat after me: Israel exists. It will continue to exist no matter what you or the rest of the clowns and zealots fantasize.

George Babbitt: There are plenty of more credibly formed countries in the world that don't have a standing army, navy, air force and nuclear weapons that deserve more of this effort and time you supposedly put forth out of the simple fact that 'it exists'


Um, good for them. I'm sure they'll be just fine when they are surrounded by raving jihadist lunatics that like you fantasize on a country's eradication for the glory of the gods.
2013-01-24 05:22:15 PM  
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George Babbitt: I see how your first answer illuminates the second's incoherent stance. You said"lived there throughout history". History would include all of written history I assume. First, the Bible tells us, with secular histories dating the time, that the Jews(Israelites really, but you're not clued in, so we'll move on)were shown the way to the land of Canaan circa ~1200 B.C., so I guess we are dismissing all claims to the peoples that lived there before them and continued to live there after they showed up with a divine real estate agent? Following all of the empires that took over and escorted the Israelites out of the area like the Babylonians and the Romans did provides for at least periods of time where they were at the most a super-minority. After the fall of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the subsequent super-majority populations that were established by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Crusaders and Ottomans to name a few, the whole 'lived there throughout history' doesn't hold water, but it's nice to see that you finally admit to drinking the Zionist Kool-aid. Which is what brings us to this situation that is being perpetuated by the 'State of Israel'.


History, as in actually historical fact, as in archaeological hard evidence, not Bible fairy-tales. And jews lived there throughout history even after 70 A.D.
All of this is bunk for the simple little fact that you seem to have very hard time grasping: The country of Israel exists. Not created by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Philistines or Ottomans but by the Israelis, despite several arab attempts to eradicate it, it exists.
You obviously don't approve of the fact. Too bad for you.
2013-01-24 05:13:19 PM  
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Amos Quito: Ah yes, please click Tappy's link - and then scroll down one post and you'll see that I exposed him as plagiarizing some OTHER putz who says - wait for it - that BEN-GURION's QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

What time is it in Israel, Tappy?

Maybe you should call it a night?

Sweet dreams.


I was waiting when you'll get to that part, when realizing that you can't actually address the fact that i exposed your bullshiat (again), you'll pathetically attempt to change the subject to me copy/pasting (*gasp*!, the horror!) text from Camera exposing your delusional anti-semitic bullshiat.

Instead of, you know, actually addressing the facts in the text. I wonder why you can't seem to do that. Again.
2013-01-24 05:11:28 PM  
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George Babbitt: ciberido: Benefit of the doubt and all that.Nice of you. But let me be clear(not that it will do much good), my reasons are entirely theological in that I am naturally anti-Judaism for I am entirely pro-Christ. This is not something that is malevolent or vengeful, it's purpose is to increase the credibility of the gospel by dissuading believers from associating with the enemies of the gospel(Rom 11:28).


Pssst .... Jesus was Jewish.
2013-01-24 04:11:41 PM  
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2013-01-24 03:55:37 PM  
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Amos Quito: I post a quote from Ben-Gurion, and you reply that it is worthless because it was "taken out of context".

I ask you to post the context to prove your point. You refuse (I wonder why?).


Already did, in detail, several times.

Amos Quito: I then post the COMPLETE context, and ask you to "explain how this CONTEXT is supposed to make us believe that Ben-Gurion didn't mean what he meant when he said what he said?"


See link above.

Amos Quito: You respond by posting a link to an old thread where you AGAIN said "I discredited your conspiracy bullcrap by showing how it was taken out of context".
Typical of your usual circle-jerk "logic", FappingInVain.


Nope, i provided a detailed explanation of the quote and its context and how you distorted it to fit your delusional anti-semitic bullshiat.

You seriously need new material.
2013-01-24 03:48:48 PM  
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i.imgur.com

Definition of Semite:

a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

Definition of Anti-Semitism:

a: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

They control our dictionaries too, apparently.
2013-01-24 02:32:20 PM  
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Amos Quito: Any Jew who objects to the insanity of Zionism MUST be insane, right?


Anyone who froths at the mouth of the prospect of a country's annihilation and the death of its people because it pleases his Deity sure is.

Amos Quito: Funny, prior to WWII and the Holocaust, the vast majority of Jews were "insane", by that definition, because they certainly wanted NO PART of the suicidally stupid Zionist scheme. In fact, were it not for Hitler and his sheep dogs nipping at the heels of the stubborn Jews, FORCING them to abandon their lives and head to the Promised Land, the Zionist scheme probably would have failed entirely.

Don't you think?


Ah, your Jews are behind Hitler's schemes conspiracy. Do go on. How many times have i debunked your bullshiat about this ? what's next ? you're going to claim that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion has truth in it ? oh wait..

Amos Quito: "Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: ''If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''

-- David Ben-Gurion - ÜberZionist and first Prime Minister of Israel

Quoted by famed historian Martin Gilbert - New York Times - June 21, 1987


/Small sacrifices


Utter and total lying out of context bullshiat already debunked in countless threads. You need new material.
2013-01-24 02:23:02 PM  
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Joe Blowme: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: Actually there are some Jews that raise similar questions Ten questions to the Zionists by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L

Neturei Karta. They are jews like i'm Pope Benedict XV(*). They are a cult which ejaculate at the thought of the destruction of Israel and they will kiss the ass of anyone (literally anyone) who poses some kind of threat to Israel. There is a reason why they are despised by every other jewish organizations besides their own kind.

I wonder why Fark's resident anti-semite Amos Quito adores them. hmm.

/* i'm not Pope Benedict XV

I'm guessing he is a dhimmi or a full blown death cult member.


Damnitall so much. This "take a drink whenever Joe Blowme uses the word dhimmi" game is hell on my liver.
2013-01-24 01:41:16 PM  
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George Babbitt: liam76: If assimilation was the greatest fear of Political Zionism and not persecution, why did persecution drive so many people to Political Zionism?

Once again the answers you seek are found in those you despise for their faithfulness to what all Jews should follow(aside from accepting Jesus Christ)in these probing questions: Ten questions to the Zionists


They aren't probing.

1-IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.


This is the first time I have seen you in these threads, so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just very ignorant, not a straight up anti-semite.

In 1941 they already had many jews in concentration camps where attrition rate was obscenely high, you honestly think they were given a choice to go to Spain?

How could you possibly call that a "probing question"?


As for the rest of them, in 1942 they were already building extermination camps. If peopel were building camops to work your peopel to death or straight up exterminate them and they told you give us all your money and we will send you womewhere safe, would you believe them?

Once again these aren't probing questions. These are straight up fantasies of people who are completely out of touch with reality and give way too much power toa shadowy group of evil jewish puppet masters. There is as much truth to them as there are peanuts in my turds.
2013-01-24 12:58:58 PM  
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tjfly: Well, if it weren't for those pesky VIDEOS of Morsi calling Jews "pigs" and "bloodsuckers", he may have a point.
But NOW he's an anti-semite whpo apparently has no credibility.

Clearly, this man, with a history of supporting the tenets of Sharia law, should be given F16s & tanks by Obama. I guess Obama sides with Morsi... is there any other way to see it?


Wow. I had no idea that Obama has been president since 1979.
2013-01-24 12:49:39 PM  
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Well, if it weren't for those pesky VIDEOS of Morsi calling Jews "pigs" and "bloodsuckers", he may have a point.
But NOW he's an anti-semite whpo apparently has no credibility.

Clearly, this man, with a history of supporting the tenets of Sharia law, should be given F16s & tanks by Obama. I guess Obama sides with Morsi... is there any other way to see it?
2013-01-24 12:36:53 PM  
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' Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi reportedly implied that the Jews control the US media and have distorted comments he made in the past about Zionists being "bloodsuckers" and "descendants of apes and pigs." '

Some of you need to read this line again and comprehend the ridiculousness of what you're attempting to explain away. Many of the comments here are truly disturbing.
2013-01-24 11:15:40 AM  
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liam76: So, to be a member of the US media you have to be jewish?


no that's a strawman.

let's just say "It doesn't hurt"

and if you go look at those companies and their board of directors,major stockholders and top executives you'd find that they are in a huge majority. nowhere close to the same ratio as the general population.

as for some vast conspiracy can you deny that these groups aren't trying to direct US policy in favor of Israel? That they aren't buying politicians and /or using their media to intimidate or coerce them? you'd be lying if you did. and you know it.

Now I could list a lot of the major media and bank people but we don't need to go that far. We all know I'm right about it. You just won't admit it.

Of twenty-six U.S. Treasury Department senior officials, eighteen are Jews
This is a numerical representation of 69%. Jews are approximately 2% of the U.S. population

Of Bush's foreign policy people most of them were Jews. Especially those neocons who pushed for the war.
Abrams,Feith,Wolfowitz,Perle,Kristol,Libby, Cohen,Kagan,Leeden,Gaffney and a host of others led the charge.

But move along , nothing to see here right?
2013-01-24 11:13:15 AM  
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liam76: George Babbitt: The 'State of Israel' is not true Israel, so to say that they want to destroy Israel is not accurate. What they hope is that the abomination that perpetrates a fraud on world calling itself the 'State of Israel' and claiming ownership of the name 'Israel' would cease and desist in these actions.

Didn't realize we had the arbiter of what true Israel is on Fark!

Any other nations you think are committing fraud with their choice in name?


The state of Illinois is a fraudulent state. It is controlled by a bunch of white dudes instead of the tribe for which the state is named after.
2013-01-24 11:10:29 AM  
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George Babbitt: The 'State of Israel' is not true Israel, so to say that they want to destroy Israel is not accurate. What they hope is that the abomination that perpetrates a fraud on world calling itself the 'State of Israel' and claiming ownership of the name 'Israel' would cease and desist in these actions.


Didn't realize we had the arbiter of what true Israel is on Fark!

Any other nations you think are committing fraud with their choice in name?
2013-01-24 10:45:59 AM  
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George Babbitt: Actually there are some Jews that raise similar questions Ten questions to the Zionists by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L


Neturei Karta. They are jews like i'm Pope Benedict XV(*). They are a cult which ejaculate at the thought of the destruction of Israel and they will kiss the ass of anyone (literally anyone) who poses some kind of threat to Israel. There is a reason why they are despised by every other jewish organizations besides their own kind.

I wonder why Fark's resident anti-semite Amos Quito adores them. hmm.

/* i'm not Pope Benedict XV
2013-01-24 10:45:38 AM  
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George Babbitt: liam76:

This is worse than when you made the case for jews being behind the Holocaust.

Actually there are some Jews that raise similar questions Ten questions to the Zionists by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L


There are also some chirstians who think Obama is the antichrist, doesn't mean it isn't an insane thought.

And Neturei Karta are on par with with chritians who think that.
2013-01-24 10:42:31 AM  
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Joe Blowme: I know, lets send the death cultists more F-16 and tanks!!!
And they want to regulate my semi auto yet give this shiat to people known to be batshiat savage insane? Thanks Obama



I agree. Zionism is a suicidally stupid concept.

We've sent Israel enough arms and money. Let them fend for themselves.
2013-01-24 10:38:03 AM  
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I know, lets send the death cultists more F-16 and tanks!!!
And they want to regulate my semi auto yet give this shiat to people known to be batshiat savage insane? Thanks Obama
2013-01-24 10:28:15 AM  
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phalaeo
This makes me so terribly sad. I really don't understand anti-Semitism.... I just don't. The majority of us live in quiet, well kept homes. We pay our taxes. We take care of our own and rarely use social services. We don't go around knocking on doors and annoying the shiat out of people trying to get them to convert. I mean, I seriously don't understand the hate. Stereotypes? Sure. I'm Jewish and even I laugh at some of the stereotypes. But to just flat out hate us.... I don't get it, at least in the US.


I'm sure you are very nice but even Israel discriminates against you and yours.

Link
2013-01-24 09:31:08 AM  
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HotIgneous Intruder: He has a mild point.
Criticize Israel, you be anti-semite-in'.


You are pathetic.
2013-01-24 09:17:13 AM  
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I am giving it fifteen posts before someoen seriously agrees with him.
2013-01-24 09:04:27 AM  
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The Times of Israel is NOT Jewish-contolled?
2013-01-24 08:52:04 AM  
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cman: I highly doubt that with all of Egypt's current problems would they break away from the treaty with Israel

that gets them huge amounts of money
/ftfy
 
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