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2013-01-24 02:57:18 PM

liam76: George Babbitt: And again, I may return to Neturei Karta for the answer to your question: I don't care what those nutbags believe.


People who are actually living as the Torah instructs(to the best of their ability without their Temple)are nutbags? It is no wonder that Reform, Conservative, Progressive Judaism, Marxism and the socialist 'State of Israel' has sprung from those that consider Torah following Jews to be nutbags.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:08 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: Tell Wikiquote that.

You know how i know you skipped on the 'out of context' bit ?


It's not like it's a sentence fragment, it's a complete thought from beginning to end.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:14 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: Tell Wikiquote that.

You know how i know you skipped on the 'out of context' bit ?


I don't think he understands that.
 
2013-01-24 03:01:38 PM

TappingTheVein: You need new material.


I rely daily on material that is ~1900+ years old, why would something that happened a few decades ago be considered outdated?
 
2013-01-24 03:01:56 PM

George Babbitt: It's not like it's a sentence fragment, it's a complete thought from beginning to end.


Not in the context herr Quito is implying. Allow me to spell it out for you if you're too dense to keep up.
 
2013-01-24 03:02:13 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: Tell Wikiquote that.

You know how i know you skipped on the 'out of context' bit ?



Well then, why don't you add the "context" that you hope (against hope) will convince the readers that Ben-Gurion didn't really mean what he meant when he said what he said?


/Off you go, then
 
2013-01-24 03:02:46 PM

George Babbitt: liam76: George Babbitt: And again, I may return to Neturei Karta for the answer to your question: I don't care what those nutbags believe.

People who are actually living as the Torah instructs(to the best of their ability without their Temple)are nutbags? It is no wonder that Reform, Conservative, Progressive Judaism, Marxism and the socialist 'State of Israel' has sprung from those that consider Torah following Jews to be nutbags.


People who spread clear lies abotu deals offered by jews are nutbags.

People that believe they should be living as prisoners (Neturei Karta) and people who think that makes their persecution ok (you) are nutbags.
 
2013-01-24 03:05:02 PM

cman: generallyso: Why do people say 'anti-semite' instead of 'racist'?

Because the left dont like telling the truth that they are racist

/Trololololololololol


Wait, wat?
 
2013-01-24 03:05:28 PM

George Babbitt: I rely daily on material that is ~1900+ years old, why would something that happened a few decades ago be considered outdated?


You know, the human race has advanced in the last millennia or so. You should seriously consider keeping up.
Not to mention that the comment wasn't addressed to you but i already figured out that you're a biatchallenged.
 
2013-01-24 03:06:19 PM

ciberido: Benefit of the doubt and all that.

Nice of you. But let me be clear(not that it will do much good), my reasons are entirely theological in that I am naturally anti-Judaism for I am entirely pro-Christ. This is not something that is malevolent or vengeful, it's purpose is to increase the credibility of the gospel by dissuading believers from associating with the enemies of the gospel(Rom 11:28).

 
2013-01-24 03:07:16 PM

Amos Quito: Well then, why don't you add the "context" that you hope (against hope) will convince the readers that Ben-Gurion didn't really mean what he meant when he said what he said?


/Off you go, then


Already did, several times. In detail.
Repeating your bullshiat over and over again won't help, you know. I admire your effort though.
 
2013-01-24 03:08:48 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: It's not like it's a sentence fragment, it's a complete thought from beginning to end.

Not in the context herr Quito is implying. Allow me to spell it out for you if you're too dense to keep up.


I see I have been directed to vacate my dwelling and forthwith go and take up residence in the ghettos with other people on here whom I have not aligned with? Fitting I guess.
 
2013-01-24 03:09:53 PM

George Babbitt: I see I have been directed to vacate my dwelling and forthwith go and take up residence in the ghettos with other people on here whom I have not aligned with? Fitting I guess.


I'll have whatever this guy is taking.
 
2013-01-24 03:14:03 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: I rely daily on material that is ~1900+ years old, why would something that happened a few decades ago be considered outdated?

You know, the human race has advanced in the last millennia or so. You should seriously consider keeping up.
Not to mention that the comment wasn't addressed to you but i already figured out that you're a biatchallenged.


You're busy defending people that are using a claim ticket that was handed out ~3500 years ago(and redeemed ~1900 years ago), and I'm the one that needs to keep up? "biatchallenged" huh? Still using the whole psychoanalytical classification to discredit and file away all things that are unpretty in your eyes?
 
2013-01-24 03:22:58 PM

George Babbitt: You're busy defending people that are using a claim ticket that was handed out ~3500 years ago(and redeemed ~1900 years ago), and I'm the one that needs to keep up?


Um, no i'm not. I don't give 2 shiats on whatever supernatural beings have to say about any of this. I do however comprehend the fact that the country of Israel exists. You should really keep up.

George Babbitt: "biatchallenged" huh?


I see you are very new here, sure explains a lot. There's something called 'text filters' around here, i suggest looking it up.

George Babbitt: Still using the whole psychoanalytical classification to discredit and file away all things that are unpretty in your eyes?


Exposing delusional bullshiat is 'psychoanalytical classification' ? what the hell are you talking about ? and all of this is very much pretty in my eyes, i just adore this level of retarded bullshiat.
 
2013-01-24 03:24:33 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Well then, why don't you add the "context" that you hope (against hope) will convince the readers that Ben-Gurion didn't really mean what he meant when he said what he said?


/Off you go, then

Already did, several times. In detail.
Repeating your bullshiat over and over again won't help, you know. I admire your effort though.



No one wants to wade through your desperate inane ramblings, TappingTheVein, and since you are unable (or more likely unwilling) to provide the context, I'll do it for you:

QUOTING (Jewish) HISTORIAN MARTIN GILBERT (emphasis mine, Ben-Gurion's words in bold)

"By 1933 the achievements of Ben-Gurion did not seem to call for further extraordinary exertions. In 1933, however, Adolf Hitler's rise to power shook the slow evolutionary pattern out of its then somewhat languishing mold (there was one 12-month period shortly before 1933 when more Jews decided to leave Palestine than decided to immigrate there).

Six years after Hitler came to power in Germany, there was a further stimulus to the demand for statehood when the British Government closed the gates of Palestine to all but a fragment of those who were then trying to reach its shores in rapidly growing numbers. At a conference in London in January 1939, Ben-Gurion pleaded in vain for the British to allow the Jews to become a majority in Palestine (as Churchill had envisaged in 1922 and reiterated in 1937).

Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: ''If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''

[NEXT PAGE]

  "Was this statement - which, surprisingly, Teveth does not publish - that of a cynic writing off the future of half of Germany's Jewish children for the sake of a political aim, Jewish statehood? Or was it a desperate attempt to explain to his closest colleagues that without Jewish statehood in Palestine (itself impossible without massive and immediate immigration) no Jews anywhere in the world would be safe from a threat to their survival? One would very much like to believe the latter, though it would have been particularly helpful had Mr. Teveth been able to give us guidance on this point.

Mr. Teveth is in no doubt that in regard to rescue, Ben-Gurion adhered to a ''philosophy of what might be called the beneficial disaster.'' This is almost exactly what the British playwright Jim Allen accused Ben-Gurion of in his play ''Perdition,'' which recently aroused such indignation among British Jews, myself included. Yet Mr. Teveth is emphatic that before the summer of 1944, when Ben-Gurion and his colleagues first appreciated the true scale of the Holocaust, he regarded it as ''a relatively modest catastrophe that his Zionist concept defined as suitable for exploitation.''

END QUOTE


There's your context, TappingTheVein.

You're welcome.

Now, would you kindly explain how this CONTEXT is supposed to make us believe that Ben-Gurion didn't mean what he meant when he said what he said?

Thanks.
 
2013-01-24 03:30:35 PM

Amos Quito: No one wants to wade through your desperate inane ramblings, TappingTheVein, and since you are unable (or more likely unwilling) to provide the context, I'll do it for you:

QUOTING (Jewish) HISTORIAN MARTIN GILBERT (emphasis mine, Ben-Gurion's words in bold)

"By 1933 the achievements of Ben-Gurion did not seem to call for further extraordinary exertions. In 1933, however, Adolf Hitler's rise to power shook the slow evolutionary pattern out of its then somewhat languishing mold (there was one 12-month period shortly before 1933 when more Jews decided to leave Palestine than decided to immigrate there).

Six years after Hitler came to power in Germany, there was a further stimulus to the demand for statehood when the British Government closed the gates of Palestine to all but a fragment of those who were then trying to reach its shores in rapidly growing numbers. At a conference in London in January 1939, Ben-Gurion pleaded in vain for the British to allow the Jews to become a majority in Palestine (as Churchill had envisaged in 1922 and reiterated in 1937).

Ben-Gurion returned to Palestine on the eve of World War II convinced that Britain would now never agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine. Immediately after his return he told a secret meeting of his party: ''If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.''

[NEXT PAGE]

  "Was this statement - which, surprisingly, Teveth does not publish - that of a cynic writing off the future of half of Germany's Jewish children for the sake of a political aim, Jewish statehood? Or was it a desperate attempt to explain to his closest colleagues that without Jewish statehood in Palestine (itself impossible without massive and immediate immigration) no Jews anywhere in the world w ...etc...


Already did, in detail, several times.
 
2013-01-24 03:41:08 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: You're busy defending people that are using a claim ticket that was handed out ~3500 years ago(and redeemed ~1900 years ago), and I'm the one that needs to keep up?

Um, no i'm not. I don't give 2 shiats on whatever supernatural beings have to say about any of this. I do however comprehend the fact that the country of Israel exists.

So why not roll the dice and pick Burma, Tibet, Taiwan, South Korea or Mali as your Cause célèbre?

Is it just to be contrary? Do you really think that you are defending the little guy, and even if it is the little guy, they can defend themselves(and I'm not even attacking).
 
2013-01-24 03:48:37 PM

George Babbitt: So why not roll the dice and pick Burma, Tibet, Taiwan, South Korea or Mali as your Cause célèbre?


Because it's kinda late to do that at the moment ? Israel wasn't picked at random. it is the historical country of the jewish people and jews lived there throughout history.

George Babbitt: Is it just to be contrary? Do you really think that you are defending the little guy, and even if it is the little guy, they can defend themselves(and I'm not even attacking).


I have no idea what you're talking about and how that is relevant to our little discussion. but do go on, i find you fascinating in a psychedelic sort of way.
 
2013-01-24 03:48:48 PM
i.imgur.com

Definition of Semite:

a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

Definition of Anti-Semitism:

a: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

They control our dictionaries too, apparently.
 
2013-01-24 03:50:33 PM

TappingTheVein: Already did, in detail, several times.


Let's review:

I post a quote from Ben-Gurion, and you reply that it is worthless because it was "taken out of context".

I ask you to post the context to prove your point. You refuse (I wonder why?).

I then post the COMPLETE context, and ask you to "explain how this CONTEXT is supposed to make us believe that Ben-Gurion didn't mean what he meant when he said what he said?"

You respond by posting a link to an old thread where you AGAIN said "I discredited your conspiracy bullcrap by showing how it was taken out of context".
Typical of your usual circle-jerk "logic", FappingInVain.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply concede that the Zionist Hero Ben-Gurion valued the Zionist Dream more than he valued the lives of the Jews he was (supposedly) trying to "save"?


/Zionism
//Bad for Jews
///And for everyone else
 
2013-01-24 03:55:37 PM

Amos Quito: I post a quote from Ben-Gurion, and you reply that it is worthless because it was "taken out of context".

I ask you to post the context to prove your point. You refuse (I wonder why?).


Already did, in detail, several times.

Amos Quito: I then post the COMPLETE context, and ask you to "explain how this CONTEXT is supposed to make us believe that Ben-Gurion didn't mean what he meant when he said what he said?"


See link above.

Amos Quito: You respond by posting a link to an old thread where you AGAIN said "I discredited your conspiracy bullcrap by showing how it was taken out of context".
Typical of your usual circle-jerk "logic", FappingInVain.


Nope, i provided a detailed explanation of the quote and its context and how you distorted it to fit your delusional anti-semitic bullshiat.

You seriously need new material.
 
2013-01-24 03:57:40 PM

George Babbitt: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: You're busy defending people that are using a claim ticket that was handed out ~3500 years ago(and redeemed ~1900 years ago), and I'm the one that needs to keep up?

Um, no i'm not. I don't give 2 shiats on whatever supernatural beings have to say about any of this. I do however comprehend the fact that the country of Israel exists. So why not roll the dice and pick Burma, Tibet, Taiwan, South Korea or Mali as your Cause célèbre? Is it just to be contrary? Do you really think that you are defending the little guy, and even if it is the little guy, they can defend themselves(and I'm not even attacking).



If I'm not mistaken, TappingTheVein is an (atheist) Jew who happens to live in Israel (correct me if I'm wrong, Tappy), so it shouldn't be surprising that he's passionate about the Fatherland.
 
2013-01-24 04:10:01 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: I post a quote from Ben-Gurion, and you reply that it is worthless because it was "taken out of context".

I ask you to post the context to prove your point. You refuse (I wonder why?).

Already did, in detail, several times.



Ah yes, please click Tappy's link - and then scroll down one post and you'll see that I exposed him as plagiarizing some OTHER putz who says - wait for it - that BEN-GURION's QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

What time is it in Israel, Tappy?

Maybe you should call it a night?

Sweet dreams.
 
2013-01-24 04:10:54 PM
www.theawl.com

We're talking about this Morsi, right?
 
2013-01-24 04:11:41 PM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-24 04:14:39 PM

Amos Quito: Joe Blowme: Amos Quito: Joe Blowme: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: Actually there are some Jews that raise similar questions Ten questions to the Zionists by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L

Neturei Karta. They are jews like i'm Pope Benedict XV(*). They are a cult which ejaculate at the thought of the destruction of Israel and they will kiss the ass of anyone (literally anyone) who poses some kind of threat to Israel. There is a reason why they are despised by every other jewish organizations besides their own kind.

I wonder why Fark's resident anti-semite Amos Quito adores them. hmm.

/* i'm not Pope Benedict XV

I'm guessing he is a dhimmi or a full blown death cult member.


No, I'm not Zionist.

That is the only truthful thing you have posted thus far, so im going with death cult member. praise be the pedo bear mo, (piss be upon him)

Do you know WHO ELSE tried to round up Jews and CONCENTRATE them into tiny, highly vulnerable areas?

[www1.american.edu image 322x385]

Zionism: Death cult indeed.


There's a Hula Valley in Israel?

Something tells me it's not as fun as a hula valley in Hawaii.
 
2013-01-24 04:43:06 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: So why not roll the dice and pick Burma, Tibet, Taiwan, South Korea or Mali as your Cause célèbre?

Because it's kinda late to do that at the moment ? Israel wasn't picked at random. it is the historical country of the jewish people and jews lived there throughout history.

George Babbitt: Is it just to be contrary? Do you really think that you are defending the little guy, and even if it is the little guy, they can defend themselves(and I'm not even attacking).

I have no idea what you're talking about and how that is relevant to our little discussion. but do go on, i find you fascinating in a psychedelic sort of way.


I see how your first answer illuminates the second's incoherent stance. You said"lived there throughout history". History would include all of written history I assume. First, the Bible tells us, with secular histories dating the time, that the Jews(Israelites really, but you're not clued in, so we'll move on)were shown the way to the land of Canaan circa ~1200 B.C., so I guess we are dismissing all claims to the peoples that lived there before them and continued to live there after they showed up with a divine real estate agent? Following all of the empires that took over and escorted the Israelites out of the area like the Babylonians and the Romans did provides for at least periods of time where they were at the most a super-minority. After the fall of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the subsequent super-majority populations that were established by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Crusaders and Ottomans to name a few, the whole 'lived there throughout history' doesn't hold water, but it's nice to see that you finally admit to drinking the Zionist Kool-aid. Which is what brings us to this situation that is being perpetuated by the 'State of Israel'.
 
2013-01-24 04:57:45 PM

George Babbitt: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: So why not roll the dice and pick Burma, Tibet, Taiwan, South Korea or Mali as your Cause célèbre?

Because it's kinda late to do that at the moment ? Israel wasn't picked at random. it is the historical country of the jewish people and jews lived there throughout history.

George Babbitt: Is it just to be contrary? Do you really think that you are defending the little guy, and even if it is the little guy, they can defend themselves(and I'm not even attacking).

I have no idea what you're talking about and how that is relevant to our little discussion. but do go on, i find you fascinating in a psychedelic sort of way.

I see how your first answer illuminates the second's incoherent stance. You said"lived there throughout history". History would include all of written history I assume. First, the Bible tells us, with secular histories dating the time, that the Jews(Israelites really, but you're not clued in, so we'll move on)were shown the way to the land of Canaan circa ~1200 B.C., so I guess we are dismissing all claims to the peoples that lived there before them and continued to live there after they showed up with a divine real estate agent? Following all of the empires that took over and escorted the Israelites out of the area like the Babylonians and the Romans did provides for at least periods of time where they were at the most a super-minority. After the fall of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the subsequent super-majority populations that were established by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Crusaders and Ottomans to name a few, the whole 'lived there throughout history' doesn't hold water, but it's nice to see that you finally admit to drinking the Zionist Kool-aid. Which is what brings us to this situation that is being perpetuated by the 'State of Israel'.


The Jews were slaves in exile from Egypt. So by parent's logic, Africans slaves have the rightful claim to America too.
 
2013-01-24 05:11:28 PM

George Babbitt: ciberido: Benefit of the doubt and all that.Nice of you. But let me be clear(not that it will do much good), my reasons are entirely theological in that I am naturally anti-Judaism for I am entirely pro-Christ. This is not something that is malevolent or vengeful, it's purpose is to increase the credibility of the gospel by dissuading believers from associating with the enemies of the gospel(Rom 11:28).


Pssst .... Jesus was Jewish.
 
2013-01-24 05:13:19 PM

Amos Quito: Ah yes, please click Tappy's link - and then scroll down one post and you'll see that I exposed him as plagiarizing some OTHER putz who says - wait for it - that BEN-GURION's QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

What time is it in Israel, Tappy?

Maybe you should call it a night?

Sweet dreams.


I was waiting when you'll get to that part, when realizing that you can't actually address the fact that i exposed your bullshiat (again), you'll pathetically attempt to change the subject to me copy/pasting (*gasp*!, the horror!) text from Camera exposing your delusional anti-semitic bullshiat.

Instead of, you know, actually addressing the facts in the text. I wonder why you can't seem to do that. Again.
 
2013-01-24 05:22:15 PM

George Babbitt: I see how your first answer illuminates the second's incoherent stance. You said"lived there throughout history". History would include all of written history I assume. First, the Bible tells us, with secular histories dating the time, that the Jews(Israelites really, but you're not clued in, so we'll move on)were shown the way to the land of Canaan circa ~1200 B.C., so I guess we are dismissing all claims to the peoples that lived there before them and continued to live there after they showed up with a divine real estate agent? Following all of the empires that took over and escorted the Israelites out of the area like the Babylonians and the Romans did provides for at least periods of time where they were at the most a super-minority. After the fall of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the subsequent super-majority populations that were established by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Crusaders and Ottomans to name a few, the whole 'lived there throughout history' doesn't hold water, but it's nice to see that you finally admit to drinking the Zionist Kool-aid. Which is what brings us to this situation that is being perpetuated by the 'State of Israel'.


History, as in actually historical fact, as in archaeological hard evidence, not Bible fairy-tales. And jews lived there throughout history even after 70 A.D.
All of this is bunk for the simple little fact that you seem to have very hard time grasping: The country of Israel exists. Not created by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Philistines or Ottomans but by the Israelis, despite several arab attempts to eradicate it, it exists.
You obviously don't approve of the fact. Too bad for you.
 
2013-01-24 06:03:21 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: Ah yes, please click Tappy's link - and then scroll down one post and you'll see that I exposed him as plagiarizing some OTHER putz who says - wait for it - that BEN-GURION's QUOTE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!

What time is it in Israel, Tappy?

Maybe you should call it a night?

Sweet dreams.

I was waiting when you'll get to that part, when realizing that you can't actually address the fact that i exposed your bullshiat (again), you'll pathetically attempt to change the subject to me copy/pasting (*gasp*!, the horror!) text from Camera exposing your delusional anti-semitic bullshiat.

Instead of, you know, actually addressing the facts in the text. I wonder why you can't seem to do that. Again.



What "facts"?

I cite Sir Martin John Gilbert, a "British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford. He is the author of over eighty books, including works on the Holocaust and Jewish history. Gilbert is a leading historian of the modern world, and is known as the official biographer of Sir Winston Churchill."


You try to rebut Gilbert by citing  CAMERA " The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is an American non-profit pro-Israel media watchdog group.[3] The group says it was founded in 1982 "to respond to the Washington Post's coverage of Israel's Lebanon incursion", and to respond to what it considers the media's "general anti-Israel bias

So who are we to believe? A world renown historian, or a pack of agenda-driven Zionist apologists whose work is SO shoddy that they don't even dare to claim authorship?
 
2013-01-24 06:06:30 PM

liam76: Amos Quito: Jews DO control the media

An anynomous blog post.

Pretty rock solid proof.



Since the 1960's academic history has been re-written to expose the myths of America's previous accepted history. We killed the indians, we worked our children in mines, we exploited everyone we came in contact with. This happened not only in America but everywhere thoughout the West.
We white people are now given such a bleak view of our history that the obvious redeeming feaures are overlooked.

The only people that still cling to a mythologized past are the Jewish people. They are educated to believe that thoughout history they have been blameless victims of gentile cruelty. You people need to rewrite your history books. You will never understand the present if you don't understand the past.
 
2013-01-24 06:12:17 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: I see how your first answer illuminates the second's incoherent stance. You said"lived there throughout history". History would include all of written history I assume. First, the Bible tells us, with secular histories dating the time, that the Jews(Israelites really, but you're not clued in, so we'll move on)were shown the way to the land of Canaan circa ~1200 B.C., so I guess we are dismissing all claims to the peoples that lived there before them and continued to live there after they showed up with a divine real estate agent? Following all of the empires that took over and escorted the Israelites out of the area like the Babylonians and the Romans did provides for at least periods of time where they were at the most a super-minority. After the fall of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. and the subsequent super-majority populations that were established by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Crusaders and Ottomans to name a few, the whole 'lived there throughout history' doesn't hold water, but it's nice to see that you finally admit to drinking the Zionist Kool-aid. Which is what brings us to this situation that is being perpetuated by the 'State of Israel'.

History, as in actually historical fact, as in archaeological hard evidence, not Bible fairy-tales. And jews lived there throughout history even after 70 A.D.
All of this is bunk for the simple little fact that you seem to have very hard time grasping: The country of Israel exists. Not created by the Byzantines, Seleucids, Philistines or Ottomans but by the Israelis, despite several arab attempts to eradicate it, it exists.
You obviously don't approve of the fact. Too bad for you.

The world's guilt built that country, not the people of the 'State of Israel'. Still belies the point that considering you don't believe in any of the 'bible fairy tales' that this particular country garners your last measure of devotion in the course of it's defense. There are plenty of more credibly formed countries in the world that don't have a standing army, navy, air force and nuclear weapons that deserve more of this effort and time you supposedly put forth out of the simple fact that 'it exists'.

 
2013-01-24 06:39:51 PM

Amos Quito: What "facts"?


The fact that by cherry-picking a single comment, removing it from its context, and ignoring other comments made by Ben Gurion that directly contradict this interpretation, the author distorts history, Among others. I already posted this about 4 times now in this thread.

Amos Quito: I cite Sir Martin John Gilbert, a "British historian and honorary Fellow of Merton College, University of Oxford. He is the author of over eighty books, including works on the Holocaust and Jewish history. Gilbert is a leading historian of the modern world, and is known as the official biographer of Sir Winston Churchill."


You try to rebut Gilbert by citing  CAMERA " The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) is an American non-profit pro-Israel media watchdog group.[3] The group says it was founded in 1982 "to respond to the Washington Post's coverage of Israel's Lebanon incursion", and to respond to what it considers the media's "general anti-Israel bias

So who are we to believe? A world renown historian, or a pack of agenda-driven Zionist apologists whose work is SO shoddy that they don't even dare to claim authorship?


And again you refuse to actually address the facts presented in the Camera article which i posted over and over again.
Again you pathetically try to kill the messenger while squirming your way to avoid touching the message with a ten-foot pole.

This was already discussed with you ad nauseum, your bullshiat debunked over and over and over again. You using the same exact quote by the same exact author to present your anti-semitic conspiracy drivel makes it extremely easy to do.
 
2013-01-24 06:48:48 PM

George Babbitt: The world's guilt built that country, not the people of the 'State of Israel'.


Right, because all the history predating the UN declaration: The Alliyas, buying of land, turning a desolate shiathole to a country is something that should be ignored.

George Babbitt: Still belies the point that considering you don't believe in any of the 'bible fairy tales' that this particular country garners your last measure of devotion in the course of it's defense.


Eh ? repeat after me: Israel exists. It will continue to exist no matter what you or the rest of the clowns and zealots fantasize.

George Babbitt: There are plenty of more credibly formed countries in the world that don't have a standing army, navy, air force and nuclear weapons that deserve more of this effort and time you supposedly put forth out of the simple fact that 'it exists'


Um, good for them. I'm sure they'll be just fine when they are surrounded by raving jihadist lunatics that like you fantasize on a country's eradication for the glory of the gods.
 
2013-01-24 06:49:16 PM
Ugh. This thread is dildos.
 
2013-01-24 07:25:08 PM
TappingTheVein:

Right, because all the history predating the UN declaration: The Alliyas, buying of land, turning a desolate shiathole to a country is something that should be ignored.


The U.N. tells the story straightThe Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem



TappingTheVeinEh ? repeat after me: Israel exists. It will continue to exist no matter what you or the rest of the clowns and zealots fantasize.

You say you don't believe in God, yet the complex you possess is God sized, and the supposed foreknowledge of what tomorrow will bring is inspired enough to be in a Zionist pamphlet.



TappingTheVeinUm, good for them. I'm sure they'll be just fine when they are surrounded by raving jihadist lunatics that like you fantasize on a country's eradication for the glory of the gods.

You mean like Lebanon that has a 41% Christian population. You say you don't believe, and I'm starting to believe you. I am starting to think that you are of the strain of the original Zionists, the ones that installed the communes run like communist/socialist enclave for the recreation of the Israeli people called Kibbutzim. Many of the original Zionists and many today despise the thought of God and espouse the same beliefs that their cousin Karl Marx invented to the detriment of the 20th century. Well now that we know that you are a commie, at least we can move forward with equal footing, at least when you finally stop putting words in my mouth too.

 
2013-01-24 07:37:05 PM

Vectron: liam76: Amos Quito: Jews DO control the media

An anynomous blog post.

Pretty rock solid proof.


Since the 1960's academic history has been re-written to expose the myths of America's previous accepted history. We killed the indians, we worked our children in mines, we exploited everyone we came in contact with. This happened not only in America but everywhere thoughout the West.
We white people are now given such a bleak view of our history that the obvious redeeming feaures are overlooked.

The only people that still cling to a mythologized past are the Jewish people. They are educated to believe that thoughout history they have been blameless victims of gentile cruelty. You people need to rewrite your history books. You will never understand the present if you don't understand the past.


So how were they to blame in the holocaust? Getting expelled from Spain? Russian pogroms?

I am also curious if you think native Americans were blameless for what Europeans/america did to them?

As for your use of 'you' I am mostly Irish, my family is all catholic (which I was brought up as) and I am an atheist.
 
2013-01-24 07:43:27 PM

TappingTheVein: Right, because all the history predating the UN declaration: The Alliyas, buying of land, turning a desolate shiathole to a country is something that should be ignored


The end of the document, you know the one that is the official UN history of the the issue I provided a link for in the previous response sums it up in 1978 terms

All through those 30 years(1917-1947), Britain (admitted) into Palestine, year by year, a quota of Jewish immigrants that varied according to the strength of the respective pressures of the Arabs and Jews at the time. These immigrants could not have come in if they had not been shielded by a British chevaux-de-frise. If Palestine had remained under Ottoman Turkish rule, or if it had become an independent Arab state in 1918, Jewish immigrants would never have been admitted into Palestine in large enough numbers to enable them to overwhelm the Palestinian Arabs in this Arab people's own country.The reason why the State of Israel exists today and why today 1,500,000 Palestinian Arabs are refugees is that, for 30 years, Jewish immigration was imposed on the Palestinian Arabs by British military power until the immigrants were sufficiently numerous and sufficiently well-armed to be able to fend for themselves with tanks and planes of their own. The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

 
2013-01-24 07:48:42 PM

George Babbitt: The U.N. tells the story straightThe Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem


The Alliyas, buying of land and its development by jews predates 1917. Not to mention the historical ties of the jewish people to Israel. The arabs farked themselves when they refused the partition Plan. A trend (farking themselves) that will repeat itself throughout decades later.

George Babbitt: You say you don't believe in God, yet the complex you possess is God sized


Ok.. on second thought i don't think i'll be having whatever you're snorting.

George Babbitt: You mean like Lebanon that has a 41% Christian population.


Lebanon! the bastion of equality, peace, unity and security. Especially when christians are involved.

George Babbitt: Well now that we know that you are a commie, at least we can move forward with equal footing, at least when you finally stop putting words in my mouth too.


Thanks for the laugh man. More than a decade on Fark and this is the first time a clown calls me a commie. And i thought iv'e seen it all.
 
2013-01-24 07:57:15 PM

George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.


Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.
 
2013-01-24 08:34:14 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.


You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.
 
2013-01-24 08:35:58 PM

TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.


Are you kidding with that source? I'm not denying that there was an influx of Arab's following the installment of Jews in the area, but you want me to read anything written by a British Palestinian Mandate born Jew? Her family were probably shooting at the British to drive them out vis-a-vis the Irgun.
 
2013-01-24 08:38:13 PM

liam76: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.

You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.


What does an atheist know of such things anyways with your Selfish Gene.
 
2013-01-24 08:43:28 PM

George Babbitt: liam76: TappingTheVein: George Babbitt: The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world's peace.

Oh yes, attempting to slaughter the Israelis and failing miserably sure is a tragedy. Like i said, history of the region kinda predates 1917.
I wonder why the document you present fails to mention the huge arab immigration to the area once the israelis started cultivating the region.

You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.

What does an atheist know of such things anyways with your Selfish Gene.


Such things? A basic understanding of history and common sense, much more than you.


/and no that isn't a dig on your particularly silly interpretation of Christianity and Judaism.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:33 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Torgo: ' Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi reportedly implied that the Jews control the US media and have distorted comments he made in the past about Zionists being "bloodsuckers" and "descendants of apes and pigs." '

Some of you need to read this line again and comprehend the ridiculousness of what you're attempting to explain away. Many of the comments here are truly disturbing.

I remember a Jewish dominated American media working night and day, for months, to convince the American people that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. I remember Zionists and NeoCons using Judith Miller as a conduit to the front page of the NYT and the owners of the NYT turning a blind eye. I trust nothing from ANY middle easterner.


But what about the unicorns? There were unicorns right? I was told there would be unicorns...
 
2013-01-24 10:50:13 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Torgo: ' Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi reportedly implied that the Jews control the US media and have distorted comments he made in the past about Zionists being "bloodsuckers" and "descendants of apes and pigs." '

Some of you need to read this line again and comprehend the ridiculousness of what you're attempting to explain away. Many of the comments here are truly disturbing.

I remember a Jewish dominated American media working night and day, for months, to convince the American people that Iraq was responsible for 9/11. I remember Zionists and NeoCons using Judith Miller as a conduit to the front page of the NYT and the owners of the NYT turning a blind eye. I trust nothing from ANY middle easterner.


Those farkING lizard people. WHY CANT THEY JUST LEAVE US ALLLLLOOOONNNNNEEEE?
 
2013-01-25 06:04:43 AM

George Babbitt: Are you kidding with that source? I'm not denying that there was an influx of Arab's following the installment of Jews in the area, but you want me to read anything written by a British Palestinian Mandate born Jew? Her family were probably shooting at the British to drive them out vis-a-vis the Irgun.


So you're going to ignore the facts she presents, which you can research yourself, and refuse to accept it because she's a jew ? well, judging from your bullshiat thus far it kinda makes sense.

liam76: You are wasting a lot of time with a guy who thinks Jews in concentration camps turned down a deal to go to Spain if the promised not to go to Palestine.


Ok.. that's insane even by Amos Quito anti-semitic conspiracy ravings, which says a lot.
 
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