Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The New York Times)   Good news: Kansas moving towards eliminating their state income tax. Bad news: Welcome to the land of 20% sales tax to pay for everything, unless they plan to pay for nothing   (nytimes.com) divider line 77
    More: Interesting, Sam Brownback, Kansas, state income taxes, GOP, sales taxes, Inauguration Days, Capitol in Washington, types of business  
•       •       •

1588 clicks; posted to Politics » on 24 Jan 2013 at 8:23 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



77 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-01-24 08:29:46 AM  
Actually it's more like higher property taxes. We have 6% sales tax in WA and no income tax. But we have big tolls on roads, high gas tax, and high property taxes.
 
2013-01-24 08:31:09 AM  
Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?
 
2013-01-24 08:32:52 AM  

WireFire2: Actually it's more like higher property taxes. We have 6% sales tax in WA and no income tax. But we have big tolls on roads, high gas tax, and high property taxes.


You know what else you have in Washington? Trees and water and stuff to actually do. And a state that people actually want to live in.
 
2013-01-24 08:33:34 AM  
If you look at the demographics of my voter base, a lot moved to Florida and Nevada for lower taxes," said Senator Susan Wagle,R

sounds like this chicks voter base retired, they ain't comin back susan.
 
2013-01-24 08:35:49 AM  
FTA: "If you look at the demographics of my voter base, a lot moved to Florida and Nevada for lower taxes," said Senator Susan Wagle, the Republican Senate president who represents Wichita. "I'd like to see them come back."

Hate to break it to you senator, but if your hayseeds have departed for Sin City and the Sunshine State, 0 percent income taxes aren't going to bring them back go cornfields and Wal Marts.

Also considering that Kansas is one of the red state welfare queens, if they go ahead with this bull I'd like to see the feds rip their money. After all, clearly they don't need it coming in if they don't need income taxes.
 
2013-01-24 08:35:58 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?


Sarcasm.
 
2013-01-24 08:38:27 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news?


Because socialism.
 
2013-01-24 08:38:31 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?


They're trying to get Gerard Depardieu to move to Kansas.
 
2013-01-24 08:39:46 AM  
Its a race to the bottom between KC, KS & KC, MO. KC, MO at least has St. Louis in its corner politically to try and keep it sane.
 
2013-01-24 08:40:27 AM  

Arkanaut: Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?

They're trying to get Gerard Depardieu to move to Kansas.


You would think he would have moved somewhere in the U.S. rather than to Russia.
 
2013-01-24 08:41:42 AM  

WireFire2: Actually it's more like higher property taxes. We have 6% sales tax in WA and no income tax. But we have big tolls on roads, high gas tax, and high property taxes.


Which is going to make living here in Kansas even more hilarious, since complaining about property taxes was already the official State Sport.
 
2013-01-24 08:44:44 AM  

WireFire2: Actually it's more like higher property taxes. We have 6% sales tax in WA and no income tax. But we have big tolls on roads, high gas tax, and high property taxes.


Our property taxes aren't that high. They're half what my parents are paying in the Northeast.

Our sales tax is a bit lower than CA, and really only 1-2% higher than most other states.

We have a toll on one of the major bridges in Seattle. The toll is to replace that bridge.

I'd hardly say WA has a huge tax burden. I pay significantly less in taxes, all things considered, than when I lived in CA, NY, or CT.
 
2013-01-24 08:44:56 AM  
whatsthematterwithkansas.jpg

whatsthematterwithkansas.book
 
2013-01-24 08:45:34 AM  
""As such, it is the example that other state leaders will look to to determine whether the political philosophy can mesh with the expectations of the public.""

I wouldn't be the farm on it.
 
2013-01-24 08:46:16 AM  
"Plan?"
 
2013-01-24 08:46:21 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?


Subby is either trolling or a retard.

/wonder which member of the Fark 401st Independents will show up to defend him anyway...
 
2013-01-24 08:48:40 AM  

moistD: whatsthematterwithkansas.jpg

whatsthematterwithkansas.book


I'm watching the documentary on Netflix now, so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2013-01-24 08:50:29 AM  
I can't wait till Fartbama suggest the Fair Tax
 
2013-01-24 08:50:53 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?


If you tax something, you get less of it. So tax the living schitt out of the poor and there won't be so many poor people.
 
hej
2013-01-24 08:52:43 AM  
In other news, KCMO retailers are expecting record profits.
 
2013-01-24 08:52:46 AM  

pueblonative: Also considering that Kansas is one of the red state welfare queens, if they go ahead with this bull I'd like to see the feds rip their money. After all, clearly they don't need it coming in if they don't need income taxes.


It would be nice if federal aid were pegged proportionally to a state's efforts to fund itself.
 
2013-01-24 08:53:12 AM  
NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.
 
2013-01-24 08:55:15 AM  
Well, no income tax here and sales is only 9.25%, so not quite.
 
2013-01-24 08:56:30 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.


That sounds very harsh on retired people.
 
2013-01-24 08:57:26 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.


When you go from "having an income tax" to "not having an income tax", thats asking for a lot. Its different than "never having an income tax".


But my reply assumes that you weren't being intentionally deliberate about the situation.
 
2013-01-24 08:57:28 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: /but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.


It obviously can operate, it just puts more of the operating costs on middle class and poor people than states with a progressive tax system, which is right in line with republican ideology of constantly attacking the middle class and the poor.
 
2013-01-24 08:57:34 AM  
I moved from TX (no income tax) to NC (7% income tax) and cannot explain where the money goes. I assume there are more people working for the government and that's it. Either they can't afford basic things like street signs, streetlights and crosswalks or there's some kind of ordinance against going places.
 
2013-01-24 08:59:10 AM  
oh and sales tax is comparable if you add in the goofy county sales tax
 
2013-01-24 08:59:36 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.


NH also has heavy taxes on certain industries, like logging, and on tourism.
 
2013-01-24 09:01:00 AM  

moothemagiccow: oh and sales tax is comparable if you add in the goofy county sales tax


Of course Texas saves money by slashing the firefighting budget and then cries like a baby to the Federal Government when the entire state catches fire.
 
2013-01-24 09:01:41 AM  

Target Builder: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.

That sounds very harsh on retired people.


They're a drain on the economy and a liability on the roads. I hope my state matches these efforts to get rid of them as well.
 
2013-01-24 09:04:52 AM  

qorkfiend: tourism.


true true
 
2013-01-24 09:06:26 AM  
I'd rather have higher taxes and equal rights, than low taxes and no rights.

Also, Brownback better not come asking the feds for a bailout when this blows up in his face. "States Rights" and all that bullshiat.

/Now watch this drive.
//Former Kansan.
 
2013-01-24 09:09:42 AM  
It's been a while since I've posted this:

img139.imageshack.us

Something tells me I-70 and I-135 are still covered in toll booths.
 
2013-01-24 09:09:45 AM  

pueblonative: Also considering that Kansas is one of the red state welfare queens, if they go ahead with this bull I'd like to see the feds rip their money. After all, clearly they don't need it coming in if they don't need income taxes.


Sure, as long as they rip the money of all states with 0 income tax; otherwise, the state of Kansas has a clear-cut winning lawsuit on their hands.
 
2013-01-24 09:13:11 AM  

WSUCanuck: Arkanaut: Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?

They're trying to get Gerard Depardieu to move to Kansas.

You would think he would have moved somewhere in the U.S. rather than to Russia.


I would have though Gibraltar.
 
2013-01-24 09:14:36 AM  
"Because of those repeals, the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said. "

Surely $148 is a small price to pay to give the richest citizens an extra $21,087 in their pockets.  Think of all of the little people they could employee with that money!  The poorest 20% will make that money back easily by working for $7/hour working a 2nd or 3rd job grooming purebred dogs, or detailing a new luxury car, or power washing a speedboat.
 
2013-01-24 09:15:11 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: moothemagiccow: oh and sales tax is comparable if you add in the goofy county sales tax

Of course Texas saves money by slashing the firefighting budget and then cries like a baby to the Federal Government when the entire state catches fire.


We did just fine for many years, and then along comes Governor Helmet-Head with his brilliant plans of cutting fire/emergency services and education so he can free up the funds to pay his European buddies to seize property and build a giant 20-lane highway that nobody wants.

/Sorry for the run-on sentence but I hate that idiot
 
2013-01-24 09:20:34 AM  
Kansas used to have a sane, but very conservative, government. Hell, KU has one of the best Public Admin programs in the country. They know how to do it, i guess someone has a point to prove (and when it gets disproved, they'll claim libs got in the way, claim victory, get a fox news show)
 
2013-01-24 09:38:00 AM  
the poorest 20 percent of Kansans will spend an additional 1.3 percent of their incomes, an average of $148 per year, on taxes, according to a report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. The top 1 percent, meanwhile, will see the share of their income that goes toward taxes drop by 2 percent, or $21,087 per year, the report said.

So tax cuts for the rich, tax increases for the poor. Assholes.
 
2013-01-24 09:47:53 AM  
Has anyone pointed it that nearly half their population is near borders with other States?  Are they going to put checkpoints to search peoples cars at the border?
 
2013-01-24 09:50:36 AM  
"He steals from the poor
"And gives to the rich
"Stupid biatch."

Classic Monty Python
 
2013-01-24 09:57:01 AM  

Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?


Reverse Galt.
Step 1) Enact a extremely regressive tax system and eliminate welfare benefits, forcing an exodus of the (minority) poor.
Step 3) Profit. There is no Step 2.
 
2013-01-24 10:21:05 AM  
If they go the way others have when deeply cutting revenue, they plan to pay for nothing.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:30 AM  
I think that it will be very interesting to see how they derp themselves to death. A local VAT while people can drive elsewhere for purchases? Proceed!
 
2013-01-24 10:42:05 AM  
"While Mr. Brownback has aspired to make Kansas a state without income tax, critics note that other such states have other streams to supplement their revenue - Texas, for instance, has oil, and Florida has tourism. "

So really it makes sense in a way. Use what a state has vast supplies of to provide a source of revenue.

And if there is one thing Kansas has a surplus of, its flat. So, of course, they should implement a 'flat tax'.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:53 AM  

moothemagiccow: I moved from TX (no income tax) to NC (7% income tax) and cannot explain where the money goes. I assume there are more people working for the government and that's it. Either they can't afford basic things like street signs, streetlights and crosswalks or there's some kind of ordinance against going places.


You might want to notice that Texas gets a huge chunk of revenue from mineral rights (oil). Other states of similar ways of taxing 'someone else' - Alaska has oil too, Nevada has gambling, Florida has tourists. NC has a mix of moderate taxes (sales, property, income) that more evenly and fairly distributes the burden of paying for government.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:43 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: "While Mr. Brownback has aspired to make Kansas a state without income tax, critics note that other such states have other streams to supplement their revenue - Texas, for instance, has oil, and Florida has tourism. "

So really it makes sense in a way. Use what a state has vast supplies of to provide a source of revenue.

And if there is one thing Kansas has a surplus of, its flat. So, of course, they should implement a 'flat tax'.


img.spokeo.com

Well fark that; make sure you lock the house behind you, I'm outta here...

// no idea if she lives in KS, but I doubt it
 
2013-01-24 11:15:47 AM  

Target Builder: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: NH, no sales tax, no income tax and the property tax amounts to 6.38% of income (which admittedly is 2nd worst in the nation)

It ranks about 44th in the nation for tax burden. (source)

/but keep telling me how a state can't operate without an income tax. please.

That sounds very harsh on retired people.


There are exemptions placed in the law for elderly persons and veterans (ie a portion of the assessed value of their homes is dropped, such that the taxes they owe are dropped. This value varies between municipalities, but there is a state minimum $5000)
 
2013-01-24 11:43:16 AM  

WSUCanuck: Arkanaut: Zagloba: Someone care to review why eliminating a progressive tax system is good news? Especially since it's obvious that they'll be instituting some kind of regressive substitute?

They're trying to get Gerard Depardieu to move to Kansas.

You would think he would have moved somewhere in the U.S. rather than to Russia.


Maybe he wants to adopt.
 
Displayed 50 of 77 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report