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2013-01-24 07:32:38 AM
3 votes:

Richard C Stanford: NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.

The problem with attacking Best Korea is that China would probably get involved. Attacking N. Korea would probably cause the Chinese to launch their own counter-attack against any invading forces. In order to go to war with N.Korea, we would have to convince China to support or stay neutral on the invasion.


Something i find curious about these Best Korea Invasion Threads is how little S. Korea seems to factor into people's calculus. Everyone talks about the big bad US Military kickin DPRK's butt, but wait, the Chinese...

Um, what about the S. Koreans?

The reason noone's done anything: S. Korea doesn't care about anything but the status quo. They've seen the issues the Germans have had with unification, and E. Germany was a goddamn paradise compared to the North. S. Korea doesn't *want* unification as they don't want to pay the freakin' bill and deal with it.

Furthermore, the S. Koreans are the ones who are potentially going to die in large numbers if in its death throes the n. Korean state decides to lob a nuke or two south. In the eyes of the S. Koreans, or so it would seem, the north aint worth it. Why risk losing seoul and hundreds of thousands to a worst case scenario war, only to have to then rebuild your own capital and economy AND rebuild the north and deal with millions of basically useless, destitute unskilled peasants and revamp at best completely wrecked early 20th century infrastructure?

From our perspective as people who don't really, fundamentally, have a dog in this fight, its easy to say "the north should be overthrown! Prison camps for generations! Horrible regime! [moral outrage reason!] [hypothetical security interest reason!] Well, sure, that's all true.

The world would be a better place without Best Korea, sure. But the vast majority of the cost of that is going to fall on the South, and frankly doesn't seem like they've got the stomach for the price they might have to pay if goes badly. And frankly... fair enough.

Reunification is a noble goal. Its not worth losing Seoul over.

(my inner internet tough guy and chairborne ranger self, however, would love the chance to see that war though... would be something to behold)
2013-01-24 02:52:13 AM
3 votes:

spacelord321: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

Can't it be both?


Take out SF and you lose your technology seeing as the entire bay area wouldn't be very livable. Take out LA and you only lose the RIAA and MPAA.

/easy pick when you think about it
2013-01-24 02:48:32 AM
3 votes:

This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.


North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.
2013-01-24 02:13:58 AM
3 votes:
Good luck with that. I liked you guys better when you were just a hilarious side bar on the internet.
2013-01-24 10:58:20 AM
2 votes:
Easiest way to solve the NK situation is to have the UN lean on China to get off of it's communist ass and deal with NK or lose their security council veto. It's not hard to justify either. How can you have any legitimacy in such an organization when you have insane neighbors actively trying to destabilize the region and you sit by and do nothing?
2013-01-24 10:45:15 AM
2 votes:

utah dude: way south: Free speech works up until the other guy decides to beat you back into line with a stick.
NK is far beyond the point where facebook can help.

fine, full auto-iPhones with high capacity magazines and bayonet mounts.


I seriously wonder if a 2A solution would even work at this point.
Think of it as a nation sized domestic violence case. The folks there have lived in tyranny so long it would probably be a culture shock if they didn't have someone bossing them around.

/You could probably sprinkle phones, rifles, and RPG's everywhere and they'll just round the lot up and turn it in to the nearest army depot.
2013-01-24 10:16:34 AM
2 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.

The problem is then fatty the grand Poobah tells the people that anyone caught in possession of these things will not only be sent to a labor camp, but will be condemning their families to labor camps as well.


Yeah, that whole "three generations" thing about NK is really, really farked up.

They declare you an enemy of the state without even so much as a kangaroo court/show trial, you go to prison, your entire extended family goes to prison, for life with no chance of release, ever. Then, the next two generations of that family are born into that prison and are prisoners from birth to grave, with the grandchildren being released from prison. That's assuming the family lives that long, and all members don't either starve or are summarily executed for even petty offenses.

By "prison" we mean conditions akin to a concentration camp, judging from the reports that have come in and the accounts of the only person to have ever escaped from them.
2013-01-24 09:59:02 AM
2 votes:

CipollinaFan: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

Doubt that they have a rocket that will go that far. I would imagine that that take out Seoul first before that attempt anything against us.


They managed to put a satellite in orbit last month. That puts us in range.
2013-01-24 09:03:41 AM
2 votes:

Father_Jack: Richard C Stanford: NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.

The problem with attacking Best Korea is that China would probably get involved. Attacking N. Korea would probably cause the Chinese to launch their own counter-attack against any invading forces. In order to go to war with N.Korea, we would have to convince China to support or stay neutral on the invasion.

Something i find curious about these Best Korea Invasion Threads is how little S. Korea seems to factor into people's calculus. Everyone talks about the big bad US Military kickin DPRK's butt, but wait, the Chinese...

Um, what about the S. Koreans?

The reason noone's done anything: S. Korea doesn't care about anything but the status quo. They've seen the issues the Germans have had with unification, and E. Germany was a goddamn paradise compared to the North. S. Korea doesn't *want* unification as they don't want to pay the freakin' bill and deal with it.

Furthermore, the S. Koreans are the ones who are potentially going to die in large numbers if in its death throes the n. Korean state decides to lob a nuke or two south. In the eyes of the S. Koreans, or so it would seem, the north aint worth it. Why risk losing seoul and hundreds of thousands to a worst case scenario war, only to have to then rebuild your own capital and economy AND rebuild the north and deal with millions of basically useless, destitute unskilled peasants and revamp at best completely wrecked early 20th century infrastructure?

From our perspective as people who don't really, fundamentally, have a dog in this fight, its easy to say "the north should be overthrown! Prison camps for generations! Horrible regime! [moral outrage reason!] [hypothetical security interest reason!] Well, sure, that's all true.

The world would be a better place without Best Korea, sure. But the vast majority of the cost of that is going to fall on the South, and frankly doesn't seem like they've got the stomach for the price they might have to pay if goes badly. And frankly... fair enough.

Reunification is a noble goal. Its not worth losing Seoul over.

(my inner internet tough guy and chairborne ranger self, however, would love the chance to see that war though... would be something to behold)


The way I see things, you're basically discounting the lessons learned since German reunification. The costs could be easily subsidized by nations (such as, say, the US) looking for a cheap and "ethical" alternative to Chinese factories, once the NKns drop this silly charade.

Which is probably a damn good reason China keeps propping them up, now that I think about it-- buy yourself a temporary monopoly.
2013-01-24 08:14:27 AM
2 votes:
My reaction to this:
www.vh1.com
2013-01-24 07:32:33 AM
2 votes:

MmmmBacon: mr_a: I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.

Call it "Forced Reunification" with South Korea. China works with SK to aid NK over a multi-year plan to slowly reunify the two countries, while China gives Un and his cronies safe harbor somewhere. It would be a slow process, but in a couple of decades at the latest the North could be a burgeoning home for industry, built in partnership by SK and China.


Unlikely.

SK doesn't trust China, and likely never will. They're content with a big buffer zone (NK) between them and China.

.Most of the far east either hates or distrusts everyone else (e.g., Japan, SK, NK, China, etc.). There is no love lost between any of them.
2013-01-24 07:15:18 AM
2 votes:

mr_a: I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.


Call it "Forced Reunification" with South Korea. China works with SK to aid NK over a multi-year plan to slowly reunify the two countries, while China gives Un and his cronies safe harbor somewhere. It would be a slow process, but in a couple of decades at the latest the North could be a burgeoning home for industry, built in partnership by SK and China.
2013-01-24 03:33:57 AM
2 votes:

spacelord321: Actually, target the whole "California Republic" for all I care. Worked out there this year and never saw more than a handfull of American flags. Every other house had Cal. Rep. flag. They seem to forget there are 49 others, even more than Texas has.


I moved to Los Angeles a year and a half ago from Boston, and I did notice the state flags all over the place. The best explanation I have comes from driving across: that all the important stuff is so far from another state that there is nothing comparable. The rest of the US is remote, almost fictional. We make up the images they'll consume, so we must be more important. Mexico abuts San Diego, but that's not the US -- that's where the better fish tacos come from, the control subject in this gringo hijacking experiment.

California became a state when it took several months to get to the next state. It's only been recently that the five-hour flights got cheap enough to happen more than once a year. California is... busy. Please leave a message.

/cripes, we're totally gonna get nuked first -- Best Korea, Iran, possibly Alberta...
//KJU probably doesn't think about Seattle, let alone watch Portlandia
///Our hipsters are far more welcoming. Have a Laguinitas IPA, bro!
2013-01-24 03:21:14 AM
2 votes:
I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.
2013-01-24 03:17:57 AM
2 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Of course that would be admitting that they can't feed their own people, and they aren't willing to admit that. Kim Jong-un and his inner circle want for nothing, but for the rest it's wide-spread hunger, sometimes to the point of starvation.


I know. One of the most depressing documentaries I've ever watched was one were a guy secretly recorded how the rural areas lived. There were little kids picking tiny kernels of corn off the ground at a market. They all looked so thin and desperate.
2013-01-24 03:04:18 AM
2 votes:

A Terrible Human: It'd be nice if they'd just stop this bullshiat and ask for food aid like non crazy countries but they won't.


Of course that would be admitting that they can't feed their own people, and they aren't willing to admit that. Kim Jong-un and his inner circle want for nothing, but for the rest it's wide-spread hunger, sometimes to the point of starvation.
2013-01-24 02:43:35 AM
2 votes:

ontariolightning: GAT_00: Quit with the newsflash. This isn't scary, they aren't going to attack us. They just threaten so they can offer something for more aid. By being scared of them you're doing exactly what they want.

North Korea says no dialogue on the denuclearization of their country will be possible in the future


Judging from what we've seen from North Korean missile tests in the past, they'll probably end up denuclearizing themselves.
2013-01-24 02:27:44 AM
2 votes:
North Korea isn't going to do a damned thing except bluster.
2013-01-24 04:18:09 PM
1 votes:

ReverendJynxed: So, this is a declaration of war yes?

They specifically mentioned the US and provoking the US with military acts.

Perhaps if we don't take them seriously as a nation declaring war, we can treat them as pirates and pick em off every time they stick their heads out of their holes?


If I remember correctly, we are still at war with North Korea. We never signed a peace treaty with them.
2013-01-24 03:44:09 PM
1 votes:
So, this is a declaration of war yes?

They specifically mentioned the US and provoking the US with military acts.

Perhaps if we don't take them seriously as a nation declaring war, we can treat them as pirates and pick em off every time they stick their heads out of their holes?
2013-01-24 03:23:49 PM
1 votes:

Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.


A friend of mine used to be stationed at the Berlin Wall, and he said the soldiers on each side would throw gifts to each other all the time; the East Germans would throw over bottles of vodka, and the Americans would throw over cartons of Marlboros. My buddy said that if TSHTF, they'd most likely meet in the middle and shake hands.
2013-01-24 02:20:15 PM
1 votes:
You know, go ahead, N Korea. Start a fight with us.  We have never hurt you and actively offer aid to your sorry ass. You start that fight, we will be  fully justified in raining all holy hell down on your asses, and I for one will feel no sympathy for anyone but the civilians that your own goddamn posturing killed.

/Seriously, where the f**k does this 'KILL AMERICA!!!111!' thing come from? The one nation on farking Earth we've never actually farked with, and  that's the one pretending we're 'sworn enemies'?
//I mean, yes, we don't let them have nukes, but that's fairly typical international douchebaggery, not a sign of actual enmity (and partly a 'holy fark no, you lunatics don't get grown-up toys, you're farking insane').
2013-01-24 01:15:18 PM
1 votes:

Great_Milenko: The only thing North Korea has going for it is it's friendship with China. But China isn't going to support them in a military action against us. All we have to do to keep China in line is tell them that if they give us any shiat, we'll offer massive tax incentives for Apple and other companies to produce their products in the US. China will then step aside and let us mop the floor with that dopey looking farker and his cadre of anal tonguing worshipers.


North Korea is Chinas retarded little brother. They just wish he'd shut up, sit down, and stop embarrassing them or complicating things when the grown-ups are talking.

Yeah, if NK gets aggressive, China will sit it out, probably shake their heads and wag their fingers, probably veto a UNSC resolution about it, but won't get militarily involved. China knows that their own government stability is fueled by their economic stability and growth, which keeps the people in line. A war with the US would shiat all over that.

For all the talk of our dependence on China, they need us just as much.

Sure, they got involved the first time, but that was 60 years ago and China has changed a lot. Their relaxation in the 1980's and economic opening has really turned them into being Communist in-name-only, they are now more an authoritarian socialist state than really communist.

On the other hand, Best Korea has wholeheartedly embraced Stalinist Communism. China thrived, Best Korea has turned into some nightmarish combination of 1984 and Mad Max.
2013-01-24 12:57:05 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Quit with the newsflash. This isn't scary, they aren't going to attack us. They just threaten so they can offer something for more aid. By being scared of them you're doing exactly what they want.


You sound like someone who lives on the east coast.
2013-01-24 12:48:30 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: Easiest way to solve the NK situation is to have the UN lean on China to get off of it's communist ass and deal with NK or lose their security council veto. It's not hard to justify either. How can you have any legitimacy in such an organization when you have insane neighbors actively trying to destabilize the region and you sit by and do nothing?


i am now in love with you.
2013-01-24 12:46:08 PM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands northsouth of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x724]


You listen to too much western media bias. Truth is China has a lot less influence over NK than what most folks in America think. Also Japan and China are not going to war over Senkaku/Diaoyu islands. It's saber rattling and playing chicken/ dog and pony show to keep the ignorant populace happy.
2013-01-24 11:24:34 AM
1 votes:
Hey, North Korea

I don't want to sound presumptuous, but isn't it a bit silly to go around waving your dick at people thousands of miles away when you can't even manage to feed, provide electricity for or educate your own people outside of a bunch of propaganda, pamphlet style "we are best in world, all you need to know" malarkey?

I mean, you might want to look into that.

Cause you ain't helping ANYBODY, let alone best Koreans.
2013-01-24 09:36:17 AM
1 votes:
Couplathings

1. The South is gonna rise again!!!
www.crwflags.com

2. Does NK realize that the US has a butt load of guns and crazy people just waiting to use them?
2013-01-24 07:56:28 AM
1 votes:

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Let's take him at his word. I'm tired of this. Tell China to put their welding glasses on and look away from NK. We'll take it from here.

Bush said the next surprise may be the form of a mushroom cloud. NK is openly threading our country with one. We should attack. Now.


Not gonna happen. Dropping nukes on NK, with China and SK just next door, would be a huge mistake politically and economically. Attacking with conventional weapons leaves Best Korea an opportunity to attack SK or Japan (or both), with conventional and nuclear weapons.

No, we'll send them food and heating oil, and NK will shut up for a while until they need more handouts.
2013-01-24 07:54:19 AM
1 votes:
It's winter so the Norks must need something.
What is it now?
Food?
Oil?

wtf, Norks. Just wtf.

We need to stop reinforcing this behavior: They fire rockets, we give them stuff.
The next thing they get from us should be their cute little rockets shot out of the sky.
2013-01-24 07:39:43 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: sweet Korean twat buffet.


This is my favorite phrase of the day.
2013-01-24 07:38:52 AM
1 votes:
How I think of NK
i.imgur.com
2013-01-24 07:29:41 AM
1 votes:

NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.


Dude, have you been to Seoul? It's nice. It's a major world city. Millions of people walk around on the street. There could indeed be a LOT of casualties in the first few minutes.
2013-01-24 07:09:22 AM
1 votes:

ko_kyi: Aw, somebody's hungry and cranky.


Grass doesn't grow very well in the middle of winter, with freezing temperatures.
Many in Best Korea live on grass and whatever else they can scrape by on, having no other options.
Eventually those hungry masses will turn on Best Korea's government, unless aid can be procured.

Time for another nuclear threat.

I still think China is behind a lot of this, but given the choice of threatening a Superpower or inciting civil war caused by an uprising of your starving population, threatening America is a good choice.
2013-01-24 06:46:12 AM
1 votes:
I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.
2013-01-24 06:38:41 AM
1 votes:
i18.photobucket.com
2013-01-24 06:36:37 AM
1 votes:
Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the drones.

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the drones?
Send in the drones.

Just when I'd dropped
a Mark 42,
Finally knowing
The ass that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again
With my usual flair,
Sure of my aim,
No one is there.

Don't we love force?
My fault, I fear.
I thought that you'd see what I want -
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the drones?
There ought to be drones.
Quick, send in the drones.

What a surprise.
Who could foresee
I'd come to feel about you
What you'd felt about me?
Why only now when i see
The smoke drifting away?
What a surprise.
What a cliché.

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing Korea this late,
Guided by FLIR?
And where are the drones?
Quick, send in the drones.
Don't bother - they're here.

-Stephen Sondheim/ Hammertoe
2013-01-24 06:26:56 AM
1 votes:

ontariolightning: US can't do shiat to NK because of the proximity to South Korea and Seoul.


Worst Korea (and namely Samsung) have been on an Anti-American/Death-to-America propaganda kick for quite some time. They can fend for themselves.
2013-01-24 05:10:58 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands northsouth of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x724]

I never said China was wrong in their claim to those islands, just that both countries claim them, and they have nearly come to blows over it recently. And now, suddenly Best Korea decides it is a good time to threaten the US with nuclear war?

That's not a coincidence, that's planned. And China is the one behind it.

China knows the US signed a treaty to defend Japan, and so if they attack Japan, we are obligated to enter the fray. China does not want that. So get Kim Jong-Un to stir things up with the US, which allows China to either take the islands themselves (hoping we won't fight them over unoccupied land). Or - worst case scenario - they have Best Korea attack Japan, which forces the US into war with NK, while China takes those islands in the chaos. Maybe they take Taiwan as well, hoping the US won't be willing to fight a two-fronted war, but that seems unlikely.

In the end, do I really think it'll come to war? No. China may simply be reminding Japan that it controls the neighborhood Crazy, and can send it their way, should Japan refuse to play ball over those islands. Also, Best Korea might just b ...


Sorry, didn't mean to sound antagonized. It's all good.
2013-01-24 04:09:37 AM
1 votes:

Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.


Sadly that kind of food would likely lead to quite a few of them dying from refeeding syndrome. Great idea though.
2013-01-24 03:57:14 AM
1 votes:
This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands north of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.
2013-01-24 03:39:14 AM
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Feral_and_Preposterous: Uchiha_Cycliste: Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.

The problem is then fatty the grand Poobah tells the people that anyone caught in possession of these things will not only be sent to a labor camp, but will be condemning their families to labor camps as well.

That's why we have to carpet the place with dogs, man. People don't have to possess them they just bend over when nobody's looking and take a bite. Then they just do the old grade-school "in class slow chew" and hum a bit and look at a cloud or something and go about their business. And the whole country has so much TP it looks like Rosie Rottencrotch's house the morning after homecoming when they're squatting in the bushes they just pluck it.


I contend that the punishment would be the same. It's the reason that I don't think air dropping happy means is a good idea either. I seriously think Kim would be willing to imprison whole cities to maintain his control of the population.
2013-01-24 03:32:14 AM
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TheCheese: Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.

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2013-01-24 03:27:39 AM
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ontariolightning: Mock26: Just give that dumb, fat, f*ck all the Happy Meals he can shove down his face hole. Then cut him off. He will agree to any demands if he can have his farking Happy Meals again.

Don't say that. Don't be mean. He could be reading that comment and committ suicide. Words kill. Your post could be what sets him off and kills millions of people. Now apologize just in case he read it. Put out the fire.


Honestly Un trying any sort of "all out action" against us pretty much will result in his death certificate reading "Suicide". Granted that'll be assisted suicide, but still...
2013-01-24 03:25:20 AM
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Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.


The problem is then fatty the grand Poobah tells the people that anyone caught in possession of these things will not only be sent to a labor camp, but will be condemning their families to labor camps as well.
2013-01-24 03:21:03 AM
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ontariolightning: MaliFinn: You really don't want to do that. We're all peaceful and humane and shiat, but if you attack us we will evaporate your entire country 500 feet deep.

US can't do shiat to NK because of the proximity to South Korea and Seoul.


I never got why SK didn't turn their $megabucks to make a system that would make patriot/iron dome look like chickenshiat. Straight up put anti-artillary batteries/radars every 10 feet from the DMZ to Seoul.

Either that or make it so Seoul can retract into the ground, like Neon Genesis Evangelion....

The *only* reason people give NK a wide berth is because there's so many civilians nearby. Why not take that from them?
2013-01-24 03:08:40 AM
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drjekel_mrhyde: GarretSidzaka: im usually not in favor of military action, and am a leftist. but some precision drone strikes to cripple their rocketry program are seeming prudent

We would have to destroy anything they have that can reach Seoul


Miles of built-in artillery sites, thoroughly hardened. What's in them may be as dangerous as snowballs for all we know, but it would be difficult to take them out in case they actually have working weaponry. Very difficult.
2013-01-24 03:06:22 AM
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Ishkur: Oh, perfect.

This is the really big war America needs to get back on top and shake these economic doldrums.

Capitalism loves creative destruction. Pack your bags, boys. It's time to get some Best Korea tang.


"War is the health of the state."
2013-01-24 03:05:44 AM
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This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.


Yeah, this country totally doesn't need Silicon Valley anyway, amirite?
2013-01-24 03:04:25 AM
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This is pathetic.

MaliFinn: You really don't want to do that. We're all peaceful and humane and shiat, but if you attack us we will evaporate your entire country 500 feet deep.


All those people who never stood a chance, just evaporated. Doesn't seem fair to me.
2013-01-24 02:57:48 AM
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miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.


I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.
2013-01-24 02:55:54 AM
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Oh, perfect.

This is the really big war America needs to get back on top and shake these economic doldrums.

Capitalism loves creative destruction. Pack your bags, boys. It's time to get some Best Korea tang.
2013-01-24 02:51:30 AM
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Lol. Hey we are safe, the u.n. Sent them an angry letter. Also, im willing to give up san fransisco for us to finally go scorched earth policy on them.
2013-01-24 02:47:59 AM
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Mock26: Just give that dumb, fat, f*ck all the Happy Meals he can shove down his face hole. Then cut him off. He will agree to any demands if he can have his farking Happy Meals again.


Don't say that. Don't be mean. He could be reading that comment and committ suicide. Words kill. Your post could be what sets him off and kills millions of people. Now apologize just in case he read it. Put out the fire.
2013-01-24 02:47:34 AM
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This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.


Can't it be both?
2013-01-24 02:47:14 AM
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Dejah: Maybe Hans Blix can defuse this tense situation.


Hah!

That's funny, because he was totally wrong about Iraq, except for the part where he was totally right, and you're too stupid to breathe without coaching.
2013-01-24 02:47:12 AM
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"Upcoming all-out action! Next on Wrestlemania XVCIIVCII!"
2013-01-24 02:44:13 AM
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Maybe Hans Blix can defuse this tense situation.
2013-01-24 02:42:29 AM
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Trust me, Nork. We don't want to have any farking thing to do with you. Really. We just don't care about you at all.

We care about the sweet Korean twat buffet our soldiers get during their deployment, and we care about cheap LG and Samsung TVs. I suppose we care about those cheap Hyundais that have way better power than the Jap rice burners. And Korean BBQ is pretty great, but keep that dog meat away.

Anyway, settle the fark down. Hey, if you give up your nukes, you can visit Tokyo Disneyland. Our treat.
2013-01-24 02:40:50 AM
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There could be north koreans with a nuke in the US right now planning an attack for all we know. Too bad Jack Bauer faked his death and is living off the grid.
2013-01-24 02:40:07 AM
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Relatively Obscure: North Korea isn't going to do a damned thing except bluster.


This.

Didn't their last test end up at the bottom of the ocean? Maybe they're confusing the US with Atlantis.
2013-01-24 02:32:23 AM
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Quit with the newsflash. This isn't scary, they aren't going to attack us. They just threaten so they can offer something for more aid. By being scared of them you're doing exactly what they want.
2013-01-24 02:26:45 AM
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Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.
 
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