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2013-01-24 04:13:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands northsouth of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x724]


I never said China was wrong in their claim to those islands, just that both countries claim them, and they have nearly come to blows over it recently. And now, suddenly Best Korea decides it is a good time to threaten the US with nuclear war?

That's not a coincidence, that's planned. And China is the one behind it.

China knows the US signed a treaty to defend Japan, and so if they attack Japan, we are obligated to enter the fray. China does not want that. So get Kim Jong-Un to stir things up with the US, which allows China to either take the islands themselves (hoping we won't fight them over unoccupied land). Or - worst case scenario - they have Best Korea attack Japan, which forces the US into war with NK, while China takes those islands in the chaos. Maybe they take Taiwan as well, hoping the US won't be willing to fight a two-fronted war, but that seems unlikely.

In the end, do I really think it'll come to war? No. China may simply be reminding Japan that it controls the neighborhood Crazy, and can send it their way, should Japan refuse to play ball over those islands. Also, Best Korea might just be begging for aid again, as it is very cold this time of year in NK.
 
2013-01-24 04:19:12 AM
I bet with a lot of fancy technology a special forces team could go into NK and set themselves up as gods. They seem to dig that kind of shiat.
 
2013-01-24 04:19:39 AM

MmmmBacon: AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands northsouth of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x724]

I never said China was wrong in their claim to those islands, just that both countries claim them, and they have nearly come to blows over it recently. And now, suddenly Best Korea decides it is a good time to threaten the US with nuclear war?

That's not a coincidence, that's planned. And China is the one behind it.

China knows the US signed a treaty to defend Japan, and so if they attack Japan, we are obligated to enter the fray. China does not want that. So get Kim Jong-Un to stir things up with the US, which allows China to either take the islands themselves (hoping we won't fight them over unoccupied land). Or - worst case scenario - they have Best Korea attack Japan, which forces the US into war with NK, while China takes those islands in the chaos. Maybe they take Taiwan as well, hoping the US won't be willing to fight a two-fronted war, but that seems unlikely.

In the end, do I really think it'll come to war? No. China may simply be reminding Japan that it controls the neighborhood Crazy, and can send it their way, should Japan refuse to play ball over those islands. Also, Best Korea might just be begging f ...


My post was merely informative. Showing the lines in dispute and correcting the north/south error you made.

Wasn't trying to be antagonistic.
 
2013-01-24 04:19:56 AM
I doubt China will play nuclear chicken with countries that border them.
 
2013-01-24 04:25:35 AM

A Terrible Human: Feral_and_Preposterous: I think we should just develop a long range hot-dog gun. Shoot a bunch of hot-dogs and burritos and packets of Charmin over there and let people (and especially their troops) develop a taste for something other than sawdust and shoe leather and get used to wiping their asses with some soft, plush TP. Maybe the problem will correct itself.

Sadly that kind of food would likely lead to quite a few of them dying from refeeding syndrome. Great idea though.


Damn. Sounds like we can't win for losing. I'm turning WOPR off, damn thing isn't helping one bit. Hotdog Variant and Burrito Theaterwide end badly for humanity every time.

Do they play chess?
 
2013-01-24 04:26:23 AM

Boojum2k: whidbey: After a failed long-range rocket launch in April, North Korea ignored international condemnation and carried out a second attempt last month. That one succeeded in putting a satellite in orbit, Pyongyang's stated objective.

Wow my paranoia level just spiked.

So they could tumble a warhead through orbit, coming down God-only-knows where. Likely, as noted, the ocean.

Wait, you weren't serious, were you?


No. I'm starting to wonder if they're monitoring our transmissions. From up there.
*pointing*
 
2013-01-24 04:30:22 AM

draa: ontariolightning: North Korea says no dialogue on the denuclearization of their country will be possible in the future

When I read that I was thinking if they want nuclearization we could make it happen in about 2-3 short hours. If they really want it that is. Fallout 4 may come early afterall?

/just kidding
//only barely


Really? You are barely kidding about killing 10s of millions of people because you don't like a few people that are in charge of the place?
 
2013-01-24 04:39:12 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: This About That: Uchiha_Cycliste: Yeah, this country totally doesn't need Silicon Valley anyway, amirite?

Silicon Valley is not in San Francisco.

nope, it's just 40 or so miles away by car. We can totally nuke one and the other will be just fine... not to mention, you DO know that there are a shiat load of tech and financial companies in the City too, right?


there are more startups and more innovation going on in SF now than in Silicon valley.

losing SF would put a huge serious dent in technology innovation for many many years.
 
2013-01-24 05:10:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: AverageAmericanGuy: MmmmBacon: This is interesting. Best Korea starts talking tough again just after tensions between China and Japan reach a fever pitch over those stupid islands northsouth of Japan that both countries claim for themselves? NK may not be able to deliver a nuke to the US with any real accuracy, but they certainly can float a Junk into Tokyo Bay and blow up a nuke it might be carrying on-board.

Best Korea does nothing without China's approval.
China wants to put pressure on Japan to give up those islands.
Furthermore, China wants the US occupied elsewhere, so they can't interfere.

So Best Korea starts talking smack, which puts the fear of Un in both the leadership of Japan and South Korea, and it keep our attention focused on NK rather than the China/Japan standoff... or at least China hopes, anyway.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x724]

I never said China was wrong in their claim to those islands, just that both countries claim them, and they have nearly come to blows over it recently. And now, suddenly Best Korea decides it is a good time to threaten the US with nuclear war?

That's not a coincidence, that's planned. And China is the one behind it.

China knows the US signed a treaty to defend Japan, and so if they attack Japan, we are obligated to enter the fray. China does not want that. So get Kim Jong-Un to stir things up with the US, which allows China to either take the islands themselves (hoping we won't fight them over unoccupied land). Or - worst case scenario - they have Best Korea attack Japan, which forces the US into war with NK, while China takes those islands in the chaos. Maybe they take Taiwan as well, hoping the US won't be willing to fight a two-fronted war, but that seems unlikely.

In the end, do I really think it'll come to war? No. China may simply be reminding Japan that it controls the neighborhood Crazy, and can send it their way, should Japan refuse to play ball over those islands. Also, Best Korea might just b ...


Sorry, didn't mean to sound antagonized. It's all good.
 
2013-01-24 05:22:13 AM
This is me being scared.
 
2013-01-24 05:23:04 AM
Good ruck.
 
2013-01-24 05:30:35 AM
I can't remember was it a two minute hate or 5 minute hate that Orwell spoke about? I guess I need to reread that that book just remember we were always at war with ....

/Well, damn me and my faulty memory I can't remember ; )
 
2013-01-24 05:36:23 AM
imthefonze: Lol. Hey we are safe, the u.n. Sent them an angry letter. Also, im willing to give up san fransisco for us to finally go scorched earth policy on them.

Since 1945, the UN has been credited with negotiating 172 peaceful settlements that have ended regional conflicts. But, you know, keep derping.
 
2013-01-24 05:41:01 AM

bigpeeler: [i.imgur.com image 255x216]
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What's the source vid for that cat?
 
2013-01-24 05:51:32 AM
Considering a couple carrier task forces could put the entire land surface of the country down to sea level before any B-52s even got there from Barksdale to start the real carpet-bombing, I'm not too worried.

If I were China I'd invade the DPRK myself and do a bit of regime change. It works so well for America after all.
 
2013-01-24 05:53:53 AM
comicstroll.com
 
2013-01-24 05:54:54 AM
America now: We have to send a message. Let's get the UN to send an angry letter.
America in the 80s: We have to send a message. Hit that farks house with a missile.
 
2013-01-24 06:03:14 AM

AaronSynn: America now: We have to send a message. Let's get the UN to send an angry letter.
America in the 80s: We have to send a message. Hit that farks house with a missile.


translation: i dont know my own history or understand diplomacy at all.
 
2013-01-24 06:05:23 AM
We laughed when the terrorists promised all out war....
 
2013-01-24 06:06:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: MaliFinn: You really don't want to do that. We're all peaceful and humane and shiat, but if you attack us we will evaporate your entire country 500 feet deep.

All of these.

The sideshow in Iraq was stupid, pointless and ugly; but the first two months in Afghanistan broke the back of the Taliban pretty effectively. If the administration hadn't had its collective head up its ass, we probably would have been in and out just like Desert Storm; but alas. I suspect that if No. Korea lobbed a nuke anywhere in our direction, South Korea would be a island in a week and a half.


Nah the difference with Desert Storm was that we weren't fighting an ideal just an invading military force. They can both be defeated but the latter is a lot easier than the former. That involves changing minds.
 
2013-01-24 06:07:43 AM

This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.


Neither would be a fair trade... maybe something like Dickinson, ND....
 
2013-01-24 06:15:06 AM
This wont end well. Son of Lord Fatass is getting all thermonuclear saber rattle-y, is he? Life isn't like cartoons, chubbo. You come around here tripping over your dick and there won't be much to go home to. You'd think the planet would have grown up a bit. *sigh*
 
2013-01-24 06:26:54 AM

NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.


The problem with attacking Best Korea is that China would probably get involved. Attacking N. Korea would probably cause the Chinese to launch their own counter-attack against any invading forces. In order to go to war with N.Korea, we would have to convince China to support or stay neutral on the invasion.
 
2013-01-24 06:26:56 AM

ontariolightning: US can't do shiat to NK because of the proximity to South Korea and Seoul.


Worst Korea (and namely Samsung) have been on an Anti-American/Death-to-America propaganda kick for quite some time. They can fend for themselves.
 
2013-01-24 06:29:11 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Since 1945, the UN has been credited with negotiating 172 peaceful settlements that have ended regional conflicts. But, you know, keep derping.


Citation, please.
 
2013-01-24 06:31:19 AM
Has Alec Baldwin issued a statement yet?
 
2013-01-24 06:32:12 AM
Aw, somebody's hungry and cranky.
 
2013-01-24 06:33:26 AM
If only they had a rocket lawnchair...
 
2013-01-24 06:36:37 AM
Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the drones.

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the drones?
Send in the drones.

Just when I'd dropped
a Mark 42,
Finally knowing
The ass that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again
With my usual flair,
Sure of my aim,
No one is there.

Don't we love force?
My fault, I fear.
I thought that you'd see what I want -
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the drones?
There ought to be drones.
Quick, send in the drones.

What a surprise.
Who could foresee
I'd come to feel about you
What you'd felt about me?
Why only now when i see
The smoke drifting away?
What a surprise.
What a cliché.

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing Korea this late,
Guided by FLIR?
And where are the drones?
Quick, send in the drones.
Don't bother - they're here.

-Stephen Sondheim/ Hammertoe
 
2013-01-24 06:38:41 AM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-24 06:40:13 AM

spacelord321: Actually, target the whole "California Republic" for all I care. Worked out there this year and never saw more than a handfull of American flags. Every other house had Cal. Rep. flag. They seem to forget there are 49 others, even more than Texas has.

Jk about the target part, but WTF guys?


You must not be in Texas often..
 
2013-01-24 06:45:16 AM
If in had a dollar for every time the North Koreans threatened all out action against the US I could finally afford to be able to move somewhere safe from The Wraith of North Korea!
 
2013-01-24 06:46:12 AM
I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.
 
2013-01-24 06:59:10 AM

Dejah: Maybe Hans Blix can defuse this tense situation.


Hans Brix? Ah, you're berstin my bers, Hans Brix!
 
2013-01-24 07:05:10 AM

whidbey: After a failed long-range rocket launch in April, North Korea ignored international condemnation and carried out a second attempt last month. That one succeeded in putting a satellite in orbit, Pyongyang's stated objective.

Wow my paranoia level just spiked.


You should have seen the thread at the time, people were watching the orbital track in real time, afraid it was going to de-orbit with a thermonuclear payload on their head. It was... pretty pathetic, actually
 
2013-01-24 07:09:22 AM

ko_kyi: Aw, somebody's hungry and cranky.


Grass doesn't grow very well in the middle of winter, with freezing temperatures.
Many in Best Korea live on grass and whatever else they can scrape by on, having no other options.
Eventually those hungry masses will turn on Best Korea's government, unless aid can be procured.

Time for another nuclear threat.

I still think China is behind a lot of this, but given the choice of threatening a Superpower or inciting civil war caused by an uprising of your starving population, threatening America is a good choice.
 
2013-01-24 07:15:18 AM

mr_a: I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.


Call it "Forced Reunification" with South Korea. China works with SK to aid NK over a multi-year plan to slowly reunify the two countries, while China gives Un and his cronies safe harbor somewhere. It would be a slow process, but in a couple of decades at the latest the North could be a burgeoning home for industry, built in partnership by SK and China.
 
2013-01-24 07:27:39 AM

MmmmBacon: mr_a: I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.

Call it "Forced Reunification" with South Korea. China works with SK to aid NK over a multi-year plan to slowly reunify the two countries, while China gives Un and his cronies safe harbor somewhere. It would be a slow process, but in a couple of decades at the latest the North could be a burgeoning home for industry, built in partnership by SK and China.


China right now is enjoying keeping the industry to itself, as well as the benefits of having a land barrier between them and the industrialized western allies.
Unless the antics of North Korea start to cost them personally, this proposal is alot of work for questionable benefit.

/SK has the similar issues, looked at from their perspective.
/They are happy enough to live without the bill for cleaning up the place.
 
2013-01-24 07:29:41 AM

NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.


Dude, have you been to Seoul? It's nice. It's a major world city. Millions of people walk around on the street. There could indeed be a LOT of casualties in the first few minutes.
 
2013-01-24 07:32:33 AM

MmmmBacon: mr_a: I know it might serve some of China's interests to keep the US/Japan/SKorea busy worrying about NKorea nukes, but I'd be surprised if they are going to put up with too much more of it.

China is getting rich by doing business with South Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the US, both directly and by being in various supply chains, and the North Koreans are clearly a threat to that. Also, the last thing China wants is a flow of starving North Koreans over their border.

So at some point I see capitalist branch of the Chinese Communist party saying "enough", I don't think they will do anything overt, but maybe take the North Korean leadership for a nice boat ride somewhere.

Just my 2 cents.

Call it "Forced Reunification" with South Korea. China works with SK to aid NK over a multi-year plan to slowly reunify the two countries, while China gives Un and his cronies safe harbor somewhere. It would be a slow process, but in a couple of decades at the latest the North could be a burgeoning home for industry, built in partnership by SK and China.


Unlikely.

SK doesn't trust China, and likely never will. They're content with a big buffer zone (NK) between them and China.

.Most of the far east either hates or distrusts everyone else (e.g., Japan, SK, NK, China, etc.). There is no love lost between any of them.
 
2013-01-24 07:32:38 AM

Richard C Stanford: NobleHam: miniflea: This About That: Would it cost us San Francisco or LA to finally be rid of N. Korea? It makes a difference.

North Korea is incapable of striking the United States, or of holding out for more than a few weeks of conventional war, if that. What they ARE capable of is causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Seoul within the first hours of any war.

Anti US bluster has always been a key part of the Kim's stranglehold on their country, but they (Jong Il at least, and lets hope his son as well) aren't so stupid as to believe their own propaganda.

I really doubt they could manage to do much damage to Seoul, and Seoul has pretty extensive preparations for such an event so casualties would be minimal. They might have been able to do some serious harm in the 80s, but at this point they'd only have about 10 minutes before all of their artillery bunkers were buried in rubble and rocket shrapnel. They certainly couldn't nuke Seoul. Any plane they sent would be shot down just over the DMZ and they don't have any other delivery method short of carrying it through a tunnel under the DMZ, and I don't think they've got any of those the South hasn't found.

The problem with attacking Best Korea is that China would probably get involved. Attacking N. Korea would probably cause the Chinese to launch their own counter-attack against any invading forces. In order to go to war with N.Korea, we would have to convince China to support or stay neutral on the invasion.


Something i find curious about these Best Korea Invasion Threads is how little S. Korea seems to factor into people's calculus. Everyone talks about the big bad US Military kickin DPRK's butt, but wait, the Chinese...

Um, what about the S. Koreans?

The reason noone's done anything: S. Korea doesn't care about anything but the status quo. They've seen the issues the Germans have had with unification, and E. Germany was a goddamn paradise compared to the North. S. Korea doesn't *want* unification as they don't want to pay the freakin' bill and deal with it.

Furthermore, the S. Koreans are the ones who are potentially going to die in large numbers if in its death throes the n. Korean state decides to lob a nuke or two south. In the eyes of the S. Koreans, or so it would seem, the north aint worth it. Why risk losing seoul and hundreds of thousands to a worst case scenario war, only to have to then rebuild your own capital and economy AND rebuild the north and deal with millions of basically useless, destitute unskilled peasants and revamp at best completely wrecked early 20th century infrastructure?

From our perspective as people who don't really, fundamentally, have a dog in this fight, its easy to say "the north should be overthrown! Prison camps for generations! Horrible regime! [moral outrage reason!] [hypothetical security interest reason!] Well, sure, that's all true.

The world would be a better place without Best Korea, sure. But the vast majority of the cost of that is going to fall on the South, and frankly doesn't seem like they've got the stomach for the price they might have to pay if goes badly. And frankly... fair enough.

Reunification is a noble goal. Its not worth losing Seoul over.

(my inner internet tough guy and chairborne ranger self, however, would love the chance to see that war though... would be something to behold)
 
2013-01-24 07:32:55 AM
China views N.Kor the same way we do, as an annoyance that can cause some damage to people out of ignorance and power grasping.

Everyone talks of being afraid of China, but ultimately they are on our side because they rely on us to buy all the cheap crap they make. It is a mutual relationship, they are not dumb, there is nothing to gain from war with the US, but a partnership and the #2 say in International affairs is pretty hefty sword to swing and they are happy with it.
 
2013-01-24 07:38:52 AM
How I think of NK
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-24 07:39:43 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: sweet Korean twat buffet.


This is my favorite phrase of the day.
 
2013-01-24 07:39:45 AM
I'm always down for some all out Korean action.
 
2013-01-24 07:44:58 AM

FatherDale: AverageAmericanGuy: sweet Korean twat buffet.

This is my favorite phrase of the day.


It should be a band name too.
 
2013-01-24 07:51:02 AM
Let's take him at his word. I'm tired of this. Tell China to put their welding glasses on and look away from NK. We'll take it from here.

Bush said the next surprise may be the form of a mushroom cloud. NK is openly threading our country with one. We should attack. Now.
 
2013-01-24 07:54:19 AM
It's winter so the Norks must need something.
What is it now?
Food?
Oil?

wtf, Norks. Just wtf.

We need to stop reinforcing this behavior: They fire rockets, we give them stuff.
The next thing they get from us should be their cute little rockets shot out of the sky.
 
2013-01-24 07:54:27 AM
Mickey fickey you Joe!
 
2013-01-24 07:56:28 AM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Let's take him at his word. I'm tired of this. Tell China to put their welding glasses on and look away from NK. We'll take it from here.

Bush said the next surprise may be the form of a mushroom cloud. NK is openly threading our country with one. We should attack. Now.


Not gonna happen. Dropping nukes on NK, with China and SK just next door, would be a huge mistake politically and economically. Attacking with conventional weapons leaves Best Korea an opportunity to attack SK or Japan (or both), with conventional and nuclear weapons.

No, we'll send them food and heating oil, and NK will shut up for a while until they need more handouts.
 
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