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(AZ Family)   Woman who posted her wish on Facebook while at work gets to see it come true. "I wish I could get fired some days, it would be easier to be at home than to have to go through this"   (azfamily.com) divider line 68
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2013-01-24 09:23:00 AM  
9 votes:
Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."
2013-01-24 09:22:12 AM  
9 votes:
Because, "Just give us a reason to fire you!" employment is the new American reality.
2013-01-24 09:39:45 AM  
4 votes:

Smoky Dragon Dish: One simple rule: Don't post anything on facebook you wouldn't want your mother or your boss to see.
Are we supposed to feel bad for these people?

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That's the whole pathological aspect of facebook: We treat different people with different degrees of formality and familiarity and informality. Your boss isn't your mom, who isn't your wife, who isn't your rabbi, who isn't your child or whoever. The premise that everyone should know all of your thoughts and personal commentary on any given subject is catastrophically absurd.
As this woman learned. Nobody needs to know all my business and certainly everyone I know isn't qualified to know everything everybody else knows about what I'm doing, have done, or am thinking.

Facebook is sociopathic in the sense that it is emotionally and politically tone deaf for personal expressions beyond the strictly public. Use a pseudonym that all your friends know or just don't bother with it. Facebook sucks, Ray.
2013-01-24 09:34:25 AM  
4 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


Make that "don't have coworkers as 'friends.'". If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.
2013-01-24 09:27:26 AM  
4 votes:

FullMetalPanda: Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?


You would be fired because now you are liability in the office if any woman in the office ever chooses to file a sexual harassment or discrimination claim.

Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work. And don't use Facebook.
2013-01-24 10:36:15 AM  
3 votes:
You can be fired for pretty much anything that isn't protected. And even those protections on the federal level only apply to companies with more than 15 employees (Your state may have protective status laws in addition to the federal ones). If I all of a sudden decide that I don't like converse shoes, I can go ahead and fire everyone who wears converse shoes legally (barring an employment agreement that prevents it, and being in a right to work state). Now that employee may be allowed to receive unemployment because their termination was without reasonable cause but I certainly wouldn't be held to any further compensation because of your chuck taylors. Now if i were to inform an employee before hand so that they knew of the terminable offense of wearing chuck taylors before hand, and they did so anyways, that would be considered termination with cause, because the employee knew they could be fired for wearing converse shoes.

Now for facebook, you could fire someone for anything they say, on work time or off work time, whether you're an hourly employee or a salaried employee. If they said they hate salt on their margarita glasses and you don't want someone who believes that to work for you, peace out, you're fired. If they like the Mets and youre a Yankees fan, and you refuse to work with Mets fans, peace out, you're fired. The only protection of speech in social media has to with your right to form a union and discuss working conditions / compensation with other employees to establish fair practices between employees. So if you say "I hate my job, the pay is shiat, and my boss is unfair" you can be fired for that unless it forms a discussion between employees in agreeance and what they should do about it to change it. The simple way for it to become protected, regardless if you were able to start a discussion between coworkers, would be to phrase it as "I'm beginning to hate my job because the pay is shiat, and my boss is very unfair, do any of my coworkers feel the same?". That could be shown as you attempting to start a discussion with coworkers (or former coworkers) about your working conditions in an attempt to improve them or make them more fair, which is a protected federal labor law.
2013-01-24 09:23:41 AM  
3 votes:
Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook
2013-01-24 09:19:28 AM  
3 votes:
Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.
2013-01-24 11:10:53 AM  
2 votes:

Red_Fox: Rwa2play: I don't perceive HR or IT people to be any level of common sense smart

Posted that at work, did ya?

IT doesn't have time to follow your damn facebook posts because we're too busy trying to retrieve your files you stupidly deleted for no apparent reason. If we want to know what you're doing we'll put an app on your pc to spy on everything you do so we don't have to waste our time doing it.


Uh huh...that's if I didn't know this ahead of time. And since I do, I wouldn't a) post to facebook (esp. since I don't have a facebook account) b) post about my line of work or c) go somewhere to talk about anything unless I have downtime on my own.

Also, one would assume that a work pc of any kind is bugged in one form or another because the IT guys are pretty anal-retentive about such things.

So yeah, if the place I'm working at doesn't allow me to use the pc for something other than work I'd stay the hell away from my usual sites.
2013-01-24 10:28:12 AM  
2 votes:

vodka: This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.


I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to adjust to keep a job. Unless you are independently wealthy, you're pretty much going to have to STFU.
2013-01-24 09:57:39 AM  
2 votes:
Adults still use FB? Thats cute.
2013-01-24 09:50:31 AM  
2 votes:

JakeStone: /Never figured out why she ratted me out.
//I was a semi IT/gopher type for an itty bitty company.
///She was a temp who answered phones and made xeroxes.
////She picked up an STD and her husband dumped her and actually got to keep the kids.
//Karma, biatch!


Never trust a temp.
2013-01-24 09:48:15 AM  
2 votes:

KidneyStone: If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.


Too damn true.

CSB:

Back when I was 18, I had lunch with a coworker saying I wasn't happy with the crap I was having to put up with and I was thinking of moving to Dallas. The only ones who knew that were my fiancee at the time and this coworker. I get fired some short time later and in the process I'm told that since I was planning on moving to Dallas, I obviously didn't have any company loyalty. Yeah, I was planning on moving to Dallas in a year or so after I'd saved up enough from my crappy minimum wage ($3.35/hr) job to afford living in a real city.

Oh well, it made me piss or get off the pot, so I joined the Navy and got some real job experience. Pay still sucked.

/Never figured out why she ratted me out.
//I was a semi IT/gopher type for an itty bitty company.
///She was a temp who answered phones and made xeroxes.
////She picked up an STD and her husband dumped her and actually got to keep the kids.
//Karma, biatch!
2013-01-24 09:44:19 AM  
2 votes:
declubz.com
2013-01-24 09:37:36 AM  
2 votes:

McPoonDanlcrat: Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook


I think the number is a lot higher than that. Folks, if you think your HR (or IT) department isn't scanning social media and other sites for what you are doing, both on and off duty, think again. Using a pseudonym will not save you.
2013-01-24 09:34:10 AM  
2 votes:
How hard is it to change your privacy settings and not add coworkers? I do it so I'm free to b*tch about work
2013-01-24 09:26:28 AM  
2 votes:
One simple rule: Don't post anything on facebook you wouldn't want your mother or your boss to see.
Are we supposed to feel bad for these people?

iusedtohavehair.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-24 09:24:37 AM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.


So if you're paying someone to do a job for you, and they publicly ridicule you while under your employment, you'd be cool with that? Should employers have the right to publicly ridicule their employees?
2013-01-24 09:23:47 AM  
2 votes:
Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?
2013-01-24 09:20:35 AM  
2 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.


If it was made during work hours, Adios motherfarker.
2013-01-24 01:42:46 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus, listening to you guys I feel ever so much more lucky about where i work and what I do. I interact closely with coworkers. A few are friends. When we have certain phases of projects going on we leave our offices, take a big conference room and fill it with terminals and all work in there for a year or so together. It allows us to combine our knowledge base and get shiat done more quickly.
Anyways, the atmosphere in that room "the war-room" is pretty informal. When I first started in there a few years ago I was the youngest by far (20 years or so) and was the constant recipient of unending teasing, but it was all in good fun. and a good time was had by all.

Anyways, all this talk of only talking about work while at work... it sounds horrible.
2013-01-24 01:41:37 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: FullMetalPanda: Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?

You would be fired because now you are liability in the office if any woman in the office ever chooses to file a sexual harassment or discrimination claim.

Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work. And don't use Facebook.


I would be a happier person if I'd heard and heeded those words of wisdom years ago.
2013-01-24 01:41:33 PM  
1 votes:

EViLTeW: As an IT buy in the healthcare industry I think that your post, at least as the US is related, if full of shiat.


As an IT guy with a lot of experience in IT in healthcare I can promise you that /every/ major health insurance company does this.
2013-01-24 01:39:52 PM  
1 votes:

rpm: As someone who removes company certs from the CA list, no, you can't.


As someone who works with security I happen to know you can. One such example is this one by Metronome. Your SSL certificate is worthless if exposed to a MITM attack which is what happens when someone, like your employer, owns the network.
2013-01-24 01:09:28 PM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: Wait, we AREN'T supposed to post stuff from work?


No. And one humdred Farkers who are posting from work right now have a million smart ass comments to make because they think their Fark posts can never be linked to them.
2013-01-24 12:34:14 PM  
1 votes:
This happens a lot at my company. People friend the company page to get some free stuff with the company logo on it. Not a smart move.

But I also work with some idiots that think that being able to post stuff on FB, check email, do personal stuff in full view of our clients is a god given right. I dont care that people do it just make sure your work is done.
2013-01-24 12:09:45 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: xria: dragonchild: ongbok: Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work.

Do you work at a law firm or something? Yeah the limits at work are different from the limits at, say, a bar. But if you can't even talk about last night's game, you're in a sad, dysfunctional place.

Hmm, around here the limits aren't much different from being at a bar. Today a couple of us were discussing whether you should also watch Angel while rewatching all the Buffy series this afternoon and the managing director is in ear shot. If you work in an environment where you are scared to relax and get to know your co-workers even the slightest amount, that seems pretty toxic and demotivating, and way more damaging than any potential work time that might be lost if people occasionally get too distracted by non-work stuff for a while.

All it takes is for one person to decide that they are pissed off at you for whatever reason, and go to your boss and say that you harassed them with something you said or they over heard you talking about something that made them feel uncomfortable.


Yep, you're farking gone.
2013-01-24 12:02:38 PM  
1 votes:
Just FYI, filtering your posts through friend groupings doesn't always work on Facebook.
2013-01-24 11:57:10 AM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: KingsleyZisou: JackieRabbit: KingsleyZisou: In fact this sort of speech is specifically protected. They can't fire her for what she said.

No, it is not, and yes, they can. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is. Your employer cannot fire you for your political views or religious beliefs, but that's about as far as your free speech guarantee protects you.

You might want to check the National Labor Relations Act, specifically section 7. Sorry I can't link from my mobile device.

Punishing someone for saying this stuff produces "a chilling effect" on the rights of workers to organize and form unions. At least that's the NLRB's position. Is it right? Well the courts haven't said anything yet. But NLRB is aggressively pursuing this issue.

/why yes I am writing my company's social media policy

Section 7 of the NLRA act does not apply in this case. Summarized language from the NLB site:

"Key Provisions

The most important sections of the NLRA are Sections 7, 8, and 9.
Section 7, is the heart of the NLRA. It defines protected activity. Stripped to its essential, it reads:

Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid and protection.

Section 7 applies to a wide range of union an collective activities. In addition to organizing, it protects employees who take part in grievances, on-the-job protests, picketing, and strikes."

Your boss can't fire you for trying to organize a union or for participating in one, but he can fire you for having a bad attitude about your job and posting it to the internet.


What if you are not in a union. Can you still be fired for trying to file a grievance?

/I know someone who was.
//She tried to complain to HR, and HR ended up lying about her complaint to her boss
///Two weeks later, she was terminated for "poor performance," despite the fact that she was the best chemist on her shift
2013-01-24 11:45:43 AM  
1 votes:

xria: dragonchild: ongbok: Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work.

Do you work at a law firm or something? Yeah the limits at work are different from the limits at, say, a bar. But if you can't even talk about last night's game, you're in a sad, dysfunctional place.

Hmm, around here the limits aren't much different from being at a bar. Today a couple of us were discussing whether you should also watch Angel while rewatching all the Buffy series this afternoon and the managing director is in ear shot. If you work in an environment where you are scared to relax and get to know your co-workers even the slightest amount, that seems pretty toxic and demotivating, and way more damaging than any potential work time that might be lost if people occasionally get too distracted by non-work stuff for a while.


All it takes is for one person to decide that they are pissed off at you for whatever reason, and go to your boss and say that you harassed them with something you said or they over heard you talking about something that made them feel uncomfortable.
2013-01-24 11:41:36 AM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: I'd call the person in and tell him it is time to start looking for another job. He'd get notice that his time in my employ is coming to an end and be allowed to search for a new job. Someone who hates his job so much that he vents to others at work cannot possibly be effective in it. Worse, he can destroy morale. It's time for him to go someplace where he will be happy.


Then you are a power-tool who has never actually done a day of *work* in his life.

Sorry. If you think that way, YOU are the one who is destroying morale.

I can't really intimate how reprehensible this viewpoint is. It can't be over-exaggerated.
2013-01-24 11:38:27 AM  
1 votes:

KingsleyZisou: BarkingUnicorn: onyxruby: As an IT guy, anything you post online can be read -even if you use SSL.

If you work in health, financial or anything regulated you should assume all such posts and emails are monitored by professionals.

Don't write or say anything at work you wouldn't otherwise say without your boss standing there.

For many industries monitoring like this is required by law. They do it because they have to.

What law requires employers to monitor employees' online comments?

I'd imagine that the SEC could make a case for that in the effort to prevent ponzi schemes. Obviously national defense type jobs would need to do so (hello general petraeus). Even local law enforcement would be wise to do so.

/is it really an invasion of privacy if you posted it on the world wide web?


I worked for JP Morgan in IT for a while. And yes, because of SEC regulations, certain employees, traders, investment bankers and the like, had to have all of their instant messaging, email and any online correspondence archived. This was to prevent things like insider trading and other financial crimes.
2013-01-24 11:29:24 AM  
1 votes:

onyxruby: As an IT guy, anything you post online can be read -even if you use SSL.

If you work in health, financial or anything regulated you should assume all such posts and emails are monitored by professionals.

Don't write or say anything at work you wouldn't otherwise say without your boss standing there.

For many industries monitoring like this is required by law. They do it because they have to.


As an IT buy in the healthcare industry I think that your post, at least as the US is related, if full of shiat.

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you do while on the clock as long as it doesn't end with me having to do more work. I don't care if you spend your day trolling Fark.com, that's between you and your supervisor.
2013-01-24 11:25:45 AM  
1 votes:

the_foo: Tat'dGreaser: How hard is it to change your privacy settings and not add coworkers? I do it so I'm free to b*tch about work

It wouldn't be hard at all if they'd stop changing the options every few months and resetting all your permissions to maximum sharing.


This; that's the primary reason I stay the hell away from Facebook.
2013-01-24 11:24:49 AM  
1 votes:

ChrisDe: Maybe people should work at work and do personal stuff on their own time? Before Facebook and cell phones, people didn't pull out the newspaper and read it at their desk, did they? It seems like all they do now is.........oops gotta go, somebody's coming down the hall.


Sure. But there also was a time where your job didn't follow you home.

I work in a place where if the boss knows you will pick up then he will call you, and will do so at all hours. The advice I got the first week was if he calls you off hours then don't answer. The downside is that he won't give you a shiny new smartphone and laptop, but the upshot is that he'll figure it out and you won't get pestered at all hours and on weekends and on vacation.
2013-01-24 11:21:57 AM  
1 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: How hard is it to change your privacy settings and not add coworkers? I do it so I'm free to b*tch about work


It wouldn't be hard at all if they'd stop changing the options every few months and resetting all your permissions to maximum sharing.
2013-01-24 11:18:43 AM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Smoky Dragon Dish: One simple rule: Don't post anything on facebook you wouldn't want your mother or your boss to see.
Are we supposed to feel bad for these people?

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That's the whole pathological aspect of facebook: We treat different people with different degrees of formality and familiarity and informality. Your boss isn't your mom, who isn't your wife, who isn't your rabbi, who isn't your child or whoever. The premise that everyone should know all of your thoughts and personal commentary on any given subject is catastrophically absurd.
As this woman learned. Nobody needs to know all my business and certainly everyone I know isn't qualified to know everything everybody else knows about what I'm doing, have done, or am thinking.

Facebook is sociopathic in the sense that it is emotionally and politically tone deaf for personal expressions beyond the strictly public. Use a pseudonym that all your friends know or just don't bother with it. Facebook sucks, Ray.


Heartland likes this.

This is the exact argument I give people explaining why I don't use Facebook. And I think it is precisely why facebook will fail, buy not before many, many more people get burned.
2013-01-24 11:18:41 AM  
1 votes:
I love social media. It makes it so easy to spot the idiots.
2013-01-24 11:07:31 AM  
1 votes:

JakeStone: KidneyStone: If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.

Too damn true.

CSB: Back when I was 18, I had lunch with a coworker saying I wasn't happy with the crap I was having to put up with and I was thinking of moving to Dallas. The only ones who knew that were my fiancee at the time and this coworker. I get fired some short time later and in the process I'm told that since I was planning on moving to Dallas, I obviously didn't have any company loyalty. Yeah, I was planning on moving to Dallas in a year or so after I'd saved up enough from my crappy minimum wage ($3.35/hr) job to afford living in a real city.

Oh well, it made me piss or get off the pot, so I joined the Navy and got some real job experience. Pay still sucked.

/Never figured out why she ratted me out.
//I was a semi IT/gopher type for an itty bitty company.
///She was a temp who answered phones and made xeroxes.
////She picked up an STD and her husband dumped her and actually got to keep the kids.
//Karma, biatch!


Because you can't trust coworkers with personal information. At all. Even if one doesn't have ill intent, they might tell your personal business/opinion to someone who does. At least you learned that by losing a shiatty job, and not one you actually like.

Basically, don't unburden yourself to coworkers. Just don't. Find a friend or a therapist. Or write it all down in your (offline) diary. Don't put it on Facebook, for fark's sake.
2013-01-24 11:03:34 AM  
1 votes:

ongbok: I'm pretty sure that there aren't any policies saying not to piss in the bathroom floor, but if you do it I'm sure you will get fired. Going to these sites would probably be covered under using work time for personal business or using work time improperly, which would be used against you if your company wanted to get rid of you.


Even so....if you're past your probationary period that is not enough to legally fire someone on the first warning where I live. They'd have to give you at least one warning and most likely 2 warnings before they can legally fire you.

But then again maybe you're from the USA where you allow yourselves to be randomly drug tested for regular office jobs....that would totally be a violation of our personal rights and freedoms up here. So yeah I guess in a country that would treat it's employees that way probably would fire you over something so trivial as this.
2013-01-24 10:56:36 AM  
1 votes:

Rwa2play: I don't perceive HR or IT people to be any level of common sense smart


Posted that at work, did ya?

IT doesn't have time to follow your damn facebook posts because we're too busy trying to retrieve your files you stupidly deleted for no apparent reason. If we want to know what you're doing we'll put an app on your pc to spy on everything you do so we don't have to waste our time doing it.
2013-01-24 10:47:09 AM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: I'm friends with my boss on Facebook. But I've known her for 10 years longer than I've been working here. And in any case, we never say shiat about work on FB.


Still the best policy. The hens around here are all on each other's FB, and it constantly causes problems when one biatches about another or how someone works.
2013-01-24 10:23:22 AM  
1 votes:

FTDA: JackieRabbit: McPoonDanlcrat: Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook

I think the number is a lot higher than that. Folks, if you think your HR (or IT) department isn't scanning social media and other sites for what you are doing, both on and off duty, think again. Using a pseudonym will not save you.

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Presented to you for the most interesting conspiracy theory of the day.


You aren't very bright, are you? It's not a conspiracy theory. We know it isn't because here's and FA about how someone got caught. The company I work for does it every day and knows exactly what employees are doing (looking for a job, posting disparaging comments about the company, revealing proprietary information, etc.). Hell, buddy, there are a number of softwares available just for this purpose and any network administrator worth can capture/read packets to/from a specific MAC or IP address on his network. What you don't know can hurt you. Best policy: don't bad-mouth your job on the internet. And if your HR department has its own recruiters, let your boss know you're looking for a new job. They are going to find out anyway.
2013-01-24 10:15:40 AM  
1 votes:

vodka: This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.


LOL, no. STFU and GBTW.
2013-01-24 10:12:37 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe people should work at work and do personal stuff on their own time? Before Facebook and cell phones, people didn't pull out the newspaper and read it at their desk, did they? It seems like all they do now is.........oops gotta go, somebody's coming down the hall.
2013-01-24 10:04:49 AM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: I suspected we had key loggers installed


I don't know your employer, and I'm not defending things like keyloggers. That being said, many large and well known enterprises have keyloggers on all corporate machines. The odds are not as small as you might think.

Understand that whatever IT has done they are doing because /your/ boss, or someone above your boss has asked them to do it. These things cost money, time and resources and are looked down upon by people in IT. Generally IT people only like them insofar as making sure that people aren't emailing out private health records of running afoul of SEC rules or the like.
2013-01-24 10:04:23 AM  
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


Or any of your coworkers. In France, some people got fired because one of their coworker "friends" rated them to their boss. It was a comment that was solely destined for the friend list, and was not public whatsoever.
2013-01-24 10:03:26 AM  
1 votes:
If you are not a teenager or a bored housewife what the hell are you doing on facebook??
2013-01-24 09:59:02 AM  
1 votes:
If I post anything on FB it's usually sports related or replying to someone.  I never talk about work.  I don't even have where I work on my profile.
2013-01-24 09:58:16 AM  
1 votes:
Skarekrough

Yesterday an email came across asking for us to "Like" the company we work for. Although they've been on Facebook for a year or two now their Like's have been under double-digits and believe that having so few actually hurts the company's online presence.

This opened up an interesting discussion as to what the potential risks existed for refusing to. There's about a 70% chance that the "Social Media Director" will be counting heads and about 50% chance that he will push further or be able to dole out a threat if we don't comply.


I was in this situation with a company, the HR/Social media director was had no business being in HR since her tact and personality surely didn't suit it.
I declined the option to "like" the company page and friend her and my boss at that time since they were not my friends and really my personal business was not my own.
Thank goodness I was on my way out so I didn't get the chance to experience the fall out.
2013-01-24 09:54:39 AM  
1 votes:

KidneyStone: The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."

Make that "don't have coworkers as 'friends.'". If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.


That.
There's always an informer.
Always.
2013-01-24 09:53:08 AM  
1 votes:

KingsleyZisou: In fact this sort of speech is specifically protected. They can't fire her for what she said.


No, it is not, and yes, they can. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is. Your employer cannot fire you for your political views or religious beliefs, but that's about as far as your free speech guarantee protects you.
2013-01-24 09:49:27 AM  
1 votes:
After clocking a 93 hour hour workweek (professional, no overtime) in order to make a deadline, I posted a picture of the very bottom of my timesheet in disgust. No company info, just my hours. A couple of internal project names were seen, but those make no sense to...hell, anyone. I get biatched out the next day, because our managers gf is friends with me on fb. Apparently I showed poor judgement by publishing confidential internal documents online. So....I'm not friends with any of those people on fb anymore. In my mind the issue isn't internal documents, it was fark, we don't want people seeing how we overwork our employees. And the post itself wasn't even really negative, it was just along the lines of "getting things done, holy shiat, crazy hours". Wasn't even disparaging. It was annoying as f*ck. Instead of biatching me out about this,let's address the work environment problems (lack of planning, understaffing, inability to stand up to clients, viciously overselling our capabilities and then hanging workers out to dry, etc) that create that sort of situation. Zero things have been done to address any of that. I don't typically biatch about work on fb other than "super busy, crazy deadlines" or something like that, so getting the third degree over something innocuous for a reason that wasn't a real reason was annoying as shiat. I've seen pictures of rigs and parts that are way more confidential posted online, so the ass end of a.time sheet doesn't mean fark all. You just don't want potential employees to know they're gonna be farked if they work here.
2013-01-24 09:48:04 AM  
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The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


THIS!!!!

Yesterday an email came across asking for us to "Like" the company we work for. Although they've been on Facebook for a year or two now their Like's have been under double-digits and believe that having so few actually hurts the company's online presence.

This opened up an interesting discussion as to what the potential risks existed for refusing to. There's about a 70% chance that the "Social Media Director" will be counting heads and about 50% chance that he will push further or be able to dole out a threat if we don't comply.
2013-01-24 09:45:04 AM  
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MythDragon: While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.


I'd call the person in and tell him it is time to start looking for another job. He'd get notice that his time in my employ is coming to an end and be allowed to search for a new job. Someone who hates his job so much that he vents to others at work cannot possibly be effective in it. Worse, he can destroy morale. It's time for him to go someplace where he will be happy.
2013-01-24 09:43:43 AM  
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We had a couple of OR nurses fired for posting dumb shiat during work hours. I closed my Facebook account so no one can see the dumb shiat my friends sometimes post to my account. Staying anonymous is the way to go.
2013-01-24 09:42:37 AM  
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Stupid biatch.

Why would anyone say anything derogatory about your job/place of employment, in a public forum, and then get all shocked when opening your mouth and letting the dumb run out has consequences.
2013-01-24 09:41:13 AM  
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vodka: This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.


There are many ways to adapt. Ask the air traffic controllers, the twinkie bakers and anyone whose job was outsourced to an illegal or third-worlder overseas.
2013-01-24 09:41:10 AM  
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MythDragon: While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.



You have to keep something in mind... In this economy, employers KNOW that you should feel privelidged to have your job to start with. So, if you are the slightest bit on the fence about your job, they'll be more than happy to replace you for someone cheaper, and more productive. And probably better looking.

I'm friends with my boss on Facebook. But I've known her for 10 years longer than I've been working here. And in any case, we never say shiat about work on FB.
2013-01-24 09:41:02 AM  
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I also enjoy seeing folks post on Fark about how awesome they are because they don't use Facebook.
2013-01-24 09:35:38 AM  
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it was one of the most powerful sentences I've ever typed in my life

She sounds simple and uninteresting.
2013-01-24 09:34:48 AM  
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SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.

So if you're paying someone to do a job for you, and they publicly ridicule you while under your employment, you'd be cool with that? Should employers have the right to publicly ridicule their employees?


They already do with my paycheck.
2013-01-24 09:33:45 AM  
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While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.
2013-01-24 09:33:27 AM  
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Cue that image of the girl posting about how she hates her job and thinks her boss is hitting on her.

Turns out the boss is gay, and she was a slacker.
2013-01-24 09:32:57 AM  
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ongbok: FullMetalPanda: Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?

You would be fired because now you are liability in the office if any woman in the office ever chooses to file a sexual harassment or discrimination claim.

Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work. And don't use Facebook.

Yea, that.
2013-01-24 09:31:39 AM  
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This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.
2013-01-24 09:23:39 AM  
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mooseyfate: If it was made during work hours, Adios motherfarker.


What if it was made during a break?
2013-01-24 08:55:09 AM  
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