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(AZ Family)   Woman who posted her wish on Facebook while at work gets to see it come true. "I wish I could get fired some days, it would be easier to be at home than to have to go through this"   (azfamily.com) divider line 170
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2013-01-24 08:55:09 AM
10000birds.com
 
2013-01-24 09:19:28 AM
Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.
 
2013-01-24 09:20:35 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.


If it was made during work hours, Adios motherfarker.
 
2013-01-24 09:22:12 AM
Because, "Just give us a reason to fire you!" employment is the new American reality.
 
2013-01-24 09:23:00 AM
Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."
 
2013-01-24 09:23:39 AM

mooseyfate: If it was made during work hours, Adios motherfarker.


What if it was made during a break?
 
2013-01-24 09:23:41 AM
Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook
 
2013-01-24 09:23:47 AM
Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?
 
2013-01-24 09:24:37 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.


So if you're paying someone to do a job for you, and they publicly ridicule you while under your employment, you'd be cool with that? Should employers have the right to publicly ridicule their employees?
 
2013-01-24 09:26:28 AM
One simple rule: Don't post anything on facebook you wouldn't want your mother or your boss to see.
Are we supposed to feel bad for these people?

iusedtohavehair.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-24 09:26:54 AM
is facebook some sort of something that can be installed on The Fark? because I love the Fark. forsure.
 
2013-01-24 09:27:04 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.


She posted it while she was at work, and the comments were about the job itself. If the job wanted to keep her, they could have asked her if everything was alright and worked with her. They didn't want to work with her. There was probably a very good reason why she felt harried and like she wanted to be anyplace but there. Unfortunately, she didn't have anyplace to go which wasn't there.

If she'd had another job lined up, it would have probably mattered to her less.

If you're going to vent, vent under an assumed name after office hours. And that still might not be enough, because of cases where folks have successfullly sued for IP info.

/there is no hope
//got folks on FR bragging about firing 'Obama supporters' and folks here at Fark stating they don't hire people with common free email addresses
 
2013-01-24 09:27:26 AM

FullMetalPanda: Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?


You would be fired because now you are liability in the office if any woman in the office ever chooses to file a sexual harassment or discrimination claim.

Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work. And don't use Facebook.
 
2013-01-24 09:31:39 AM
This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.
 
2013-01-24 09:31:56 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


Or use Facebook.
 
2013-01-24 09:32:50 AM
Wait, we AREN'T supposed to post stuff from work?
 
2013-01-24 09:32:57 AM

ongbok: FullMetalPanda: Wait, wait, wait!!! What if...this is a IF, I post on Face Book that I wish my employer would hire a bunch of super hot women to fark my brains out on a daily basis?

You would be fired because now you are liability in the office if any woman in the office ever chooses to file a sexual harassment or discrimination claim.

Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work. And don't use Facebook.

Yea, that.
 
2013-01-24 09:33:27 AM
Cue that image of the girl posting about how she hates her job and thinks her boss is hitting on her.

Turns out the boss is gay, and she was a slacker.
 
2013-01-24 09:33:45 AM
While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.
 
2013-01-24 09:34:10 AM
How hard is it to change your privacy settings and not add coworkers? I do it so I'm free to b*tch about work
 
2013-01-24 09:34:25 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


Make that "don't have coworkers as 'friends.'". If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.
 
2013-01-24 09:34:48 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.

So if you're paying someone to do a job for you, and they publicly ridicule you while under your employment, you'd be cool with that? Should employers have the right to publicly ridicule their employees?


They already do with my paycheck.
 
2013-01-24 09:35:38 AM
it was one of the most powerful sentences I've ever typed in my life

She sounds simple and uninteresting.
 
2013-01-24 09:36:18 AM

ongbok: Don't talk to anybody at work about anything except for work.


Do you work at a law firm or something? Yeah the limits at work are different from the limits at, say, a bar. But if you can't even talk about last night's game, you're in a sad, dysfunctional place.
 
2013-01-24 09:36:53 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.

So if you're paying someone to do a job for you, and they publicly ridicule you while under your employment, you'd be cool with that? Should employers have the right to publicly ridicule their employees?


Where did she ridicule anybody? Her comment didn't necessarily mean that she was ripping on her employer.
 
2013-01-24 09:37:36 AM

McPoonDanlcrat: Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook


I think the number is a lot higher than that. Folks, if you think your HR (or IT) department isn't scanning social media and other sites for what you are doing, both on and off duty, think again. Using a pseudonym will not save you.
 
2013-01-24 09:38:11 AM
Corporate will grind you under their heel at any chance they get.
We realize the man behind the desk is just a worthless pussy waiting to act out, you just have to be careful not to give them reason to do so. If they aggravate you that much, deal with them after you are working somewhere else.
 
2013-01-24 09:38:36 AM
Worked at a place where the receptionist vented about job satisfaction and her boss her MySpace account. She said all sorts of shiat "I wish he would just die" and other indirect violent statements. She forgot that she had befriended her bosses wife.

She was fired the next day.
 
2013-01-24 09:39:45 AM

Smoky Dragon Dish: One simple rule: Don't post anything on facebook you wouldn't want your mother or your boss to see.
Are we supposed to feel bad for these people?

[iusedtohavehair.files.wordpress.com image 430x555]


That's the whole pathological aspect of facebook: We treat different people with different degrees of formality and familiarity and informality. Your boss isn't your mom, who isn't your wife, who isn't your rabbi, who isn't your child or whoever. The premise that everyone should know all of your thoughts and personal commentary on any given subject is catastrophically absurd.
As this woman learned. Nobody needs to know all my business and certainly everyone I know isn't qualified to know everything everybody else knows about what I'm doing, have done, or am thinking.

Facebook is sociopathic in the sense that it is emotionally and politically tone deaf for personal expressions beyond the strictly public. Use a pseudonym that all your friends know or just don't bother with it. Facebook sucks, Ray.
 
2013-01-24 09:40:32 AM

mooseyfate: Popcorn Johnny: Have any cases like this made their way through the court system.  I'm not convinced  that employers have the right to fire somebody for comments made by somebody on their own time.

If it was made during work hours, Adios motherfarker.


generally, employers can fire you without cause, unless the are firing you for a reason that is protected. she could have been more easily fired for saying nothing. then there wouldn't have been a hearing before the labor board.

but, since it appeared there was a reason to fire her, specifically her comment, the issue becomes whether her comment was protected. certain things under the right circumstances are protected. most relevent, discussions of work problems that ultimately have the goal of bettering the working relationship, for example, attempts to organize the workforce to say, hey, this sucks, fix this.

but, just saying, i want to be home because i'm stressed is probably not all that motivating to change the relationship. had she said, i am overworked and not properly compensated, then she would have had a better argument that her activity was protected.
/ although, sometimes 'organizing' during company time can get you in trouble.
 
2013-01-24 09:40:52 AM

MythDragon: While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.


In fact this sort of speech is specifically protected. They can't fire her for what she said.

/they CAN fire her for using social media at work while clocked in
//oh hai boss...
 
2013-01-24 09:41:02 AM
I also enjoy seeing folks post on Fark about how awesome they are because they don't use Facebook.
 
2013-01-24 09:41:10 AM

MythDragon: While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.



You have to keep something in mind... In this economy, employers KNOW that you should feel privelidged to have your job to start with. So, if you are the slightest bit on the fence about your job, they'll be more than happy to replace you for someone cheaper, and more productive. And probably better looking.

I'm friends with my boss on Facebook. But I've known her for 10 years longer than I've been working here. And in any case, we never say shiat about work on FB.
 
2013-01-24 09:41:13 AM

vodka: This reminds me of the dinosaur media companies. The fact is, employers are going to have to adjust to the employees, not the other way around. There are generations of people coming up that post every thought on the Internet. That isn't going to change so unless they want no employees they are going to have to adapt.


There are many ways to adapt. Ask the air traffic controllers, the twinkie bakers and anyone whose job was outsourced to an illegal or third-worlder overseas.
 
2013-01-24 09:41:22 AM
As an IT guy, anything you post online can be read -even if you use SSL.

If you work in health, financial or anything regulated you should assume all such posts and emails are monitored by professionals.

Don't write or say anything at work you wouldn't otherwise say without your boss standing there.

For many industries monitoring like this is required by law. They do it because they have to.
 
2013-01-24 09:42:37 AM
Stupid biatch.

Why would anyone say anything derogatory about your job/place of employment, in a public forum, and then get all shocked when opening your mouth and letting the dumb run out has consequences.
 
2013-01-24 09:43:43 AM
We had a couple of OR nurses fired for posting dumb shiat during work hours. I closed my Facebook account so no one can see the dumb shiat my friends sometimes post to my account. Staying anonymous is the way to go.
 
2013-01-24 09:44:19 AM
declubz.com
 
2013-01-24 09:44:40 AM

JackieRabbit: McPoonDanlcrat: Reason #4859384 for not being on Facebook

I think the number is a lot higher than that. Folks, if you think your HR (or IT) department isn't scanning social media and other sites for what you are doing, both on and off duty, think again. Using a pseudonym will not save you.


Luckily, I don't talk about work online. My pathological liar ex-girlfriend, on the other hand...
 
2013-01-24 09:45:04 AM

MythDragon: While I think it's stupid to biatch about your job on social media where anyone could see (such as your boss) I don't think it's right to get fired over it. People are entitled to their opinions. If I was a boss, and I hear a worker tell another they hate their job, I chalk it up to venting between to people. If they come tell me they hate their job (and it's not something that should be fixed by me, such as 'water cooler too far away' or 'can't play games at work') then I'd suggest they find a job they do like.


I'd call the person in and tell him it is time to start looking for another job. He'd get notice that his time in my employ is coming to an end and be allowed to search for a new job. Someone who hates his job so much that he vents to others at work cannot possibly be effective in it. Worse, he can destroy morale. It's time for him to go someplace where he will be happy.
 
2013-01-24 09:48:04 AM

The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."


THIS!!!!

Yesterday an email came across asking for us to "Like" the company we work for. Although they've been on Facebook for a year or two now their Like's have been under double-digits and believe that having so few actually hurts the company's online presence.

This opened up an interesting discussion as to what the potential risks existed for refusing to. There's about a 70% chance that the "Social Media Director" will be counting heads and about 50% chance that he will push further or be able to dole out a threat if we don't comply.
 
2013-01-24 09:48:15 AM

KidneyStone: If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.


Too damn true.

CSB:

Back when I was 18, I had lunch with a coworker saying I wasn't happy with the crap I was having to put up with and I was thinking of moving to Dallas. The only ones who knew that were my fiancee at the time and this coworker. I get fired some short time later and in the process I'm told that since I was planning on moving to Dallas, I obviously didn't have any company loyalty. Yeah, I was planning on moving to Dallas in a year or so after I'd saved up enough from my crappy minimum wage ($3.35/hr) job to afford living in a real city.

Oh well, it made me piss or get off the pot, so I joined the Navy and got some real job experience. Pay still sucked.

/Never figured out why she ratted me out.
//I was a semi IT/gopher type for an itty bitty company.
///She was a temp who answered phones and made xeroxes.
////She picked up an STD and her husband dumped her and actually got to keep the kids.
//Karma, biatch!
 
2013-01-24 09:48:54 AM

onyxruby: As an IT guy, anything you post online can be read -even if you use SSL.

If you work in health, financial or anything regulated you should assume all such posts and emails are monitored by professionals.

Don't write or say anything at work you wouldn't otherwise say without your boss standing there.

For many industries monitoring like this is required by law. They do it because they have to.


Heh.
At my last real big-time job, I suspected we had key loggers installed. Randomly, I used to type really, really rude sentences about my bosses doing unnatural sexual acts with each other and animals.
Hee-haw.
What a bullshiat world we've made for ourselves.
 
2013-01-24 09:49:27 AM
After clocking a 93 hour hour workweek (professional, no overtime) in order to make a deadline, I posted a picture of the very bottom of my timesheet in disgust. No company info, just my hours. A couple of internal project names were seen, but those make no sense to...hell, anyone. I get biatched out the next day, because our managers gf is friends with me on fb. Apparently I showed poor judgement by publishing confidential internal documents online. So....I'm not friends with any of those people on fb anymore. In my mind the issue isn't internal documents, it was fark, we don't want people seeing how we overwork our employees. And the post itself wasn't even really negative, it was just along the lines of "getting things done, holy shiat, crazy hours". Wasn't even disparaging. It was annoying as f*ck. Instead of biatching me out about this,let's address the work environment problems (lack of planning, understaffing, inability to stand up to clients, viciously overselling our capabilities and then hanging workers out to dry, etc) that create that sort of situation. Zero things have been done to address any of that. I don't typically biatch about work on fb other than "super busy, crazy deadlines" or something like that, so getting the third degree over something innocuous for a reason that wasn't a real reason was annoying as shiat. I've seen pictures of rigs and parts that are way more confidential posted online, so the ass end of a.time sheet doesn't mean fark all. You just don't want potential employees to know they're gonna be farked if they work here.
 
2013-01-24 09:50:31 AM

JakeStone: /Never figured out why she ratted me out.
//I was a semi IT/gopher type for an itty bitty company.
///She was a temp who answered phones and made xeroxes.
////She picked up an STD and her husband dumped her and actually got to keep the kids.
//Karma, biatch!


Never trust a temp.
 
2013-01-24 09:53:08 AM

KingsleyZisou: In fact this sort of speech is specifically protected. They can't fire her for what she said.


No, it is not, and yes, they can. It may not seem fair, but that's the way it is. Your employer cannot fire you for your political views or religious beliefs, but that's about as far as your free speech guarantee protects you.
 
2013-01-24 09:54:39 AM

KidneyStone: The Angry Hand of God: Write whatever you want on Facebook, just don't be so god damned stupid to have your boss as your "friend."

Make that "don't have coworkers as 'friends.'". If there's one thing I learned after almost a decade of internal investigations it's that many coworkers with rat you out for no apparent reason or gain.


That.
There's always an informer.
Always.
 
2013-01-24 09:57:39 AM
Adults still use FB? Thats cute.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:16 AM
Skarekrough

Yesterday an email came across asking for us to "Like" the company we work for. Although they've been on Facebook for a year or two now their Like's have been under double-digits and believe that having so few actually hurts the company's online presence.

This opened up an interesting discussion as to what the potential risks existed for refusing to. There's about a 70% chance that the "Social Media Director" will be counting heads and about 50% chance that he will push further or be able to dole out a threat if we don't comply.


I was in this situation with a company, the HR/Social media director was had no business being in HR since her tact and personality surely didn't suit it.
I declined the option to "like" the company page and friend her and my boss at that time since they were not my friends and really my personal business was not my own.
Thank goodness I was on my way out so I didn't get the chance to experience the fall out.
 
2013-01-24 09:59:02 AM
If I post anything on FB it's usually sports related or replying to someone.  I never talk about work.  I don't even have where I work on my profile.
 
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