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(PJ Media)   Politifacts; We lied about our "Lie of the Year" which wasn't a lie and was the Truth   (pjmedia.com) divider line 32
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2013-01-24 01:12:52 AM  
7 votes:
Oh, f*ck off, whoever greened this.

You're not being clever by greening trolling bullsh*t, you're just being an ass.
2013-01-24 01:52:29 AM  
5 votes:
Oh go f*ck yourself, FarkMods.
2013-01-24 01:33:17 AM  
5 votes:

Tarkus: Republicans lie, that's all they do.


No, they also obstruct, cheat, and give their friends tax breaks.
2013-01-24 01:11:35 AM  
5 votes:
Politifact has said no such thing.  This is complete and total bullshiat, 100% fabricated.  Of course it's a green.
2013-01-24 01:04:31 AM  
5 votes:
Pajamas Media: "Sure, Mitt Romney personally claimed that Jeep would move ALL production to China at a campaign stop in Ohio, but this TV ad that was put out weeks later doesn't. So if you pretend that MItt Romney doesn't actually exist on the Prime Material Plane, it wasn't a lie."
2013-01-24 01:33:37 AM  
4 votes:

RedPhoenix122: GAT_00: Politifact has said no such thing.  This is complete and total bullshiat, 100% fabricated.  Of course it's a green.

So they're lying about Politifact lying about their Lie of the Year?

I'm...starting to get confused.


That's what the GOP wants.  What this boils down to is this:

The GOP lied, straight up fabricated a claim.  Since they got called on it, they've decided that they lied about calling it a lie, because all the GOP knows how to do is double down on an issue.  Not enough oil?  DRILL MOAR HOLES.  Guns killing kids?  MOAR GUNS EVERYWHERE.  Get called on a lie?  MOAR LIES EVERYWHERE.
2013-01-24 03:02:11 AM  
3 votes:
President Obama should add whichever Farkmin greened this thread to his drone kill list and drop a Hellfire on their head for committing egregious crimes against humanity.
2013-01-24 01:10:29 AM  
3 votes:
This just in: Mitt Romney lost the election and no one gives a f*ck anymore

/get over it
2013-01-24 06:41:19 AM  
2 votes:
I'm beginning to question the quality of greenlit Fark articles these days. Not to mention the sanity of the admins. Oh well
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2013-01-24 03:11:04 AM  
2 votes:
It's getting to the point where threads like this need to be treated like FarkTV threads a few years ago.

Anytime shiat like this is posted, fill the farker with fail pics. Insta-fail thread.

dtdstudios.com
2013-01-24 03:09:27 AM  
2 votes:
[growled to Admins]
2013-01-24 12:58:49 AM  
2 votes:
Uh, no. It's still a lie, though I'm sure someone will believe it if you repeat it enough.
2013-01-24 08:33:39 AM  
1 votes:
Thank you Mods for finally not hiding these shiat conservative blog links behind "(Some Guy)". Now stop greenlighting shiat conservative blogs.
2013-01-24 08:19:56 AM  
1 votes:

Dan the Schman: Oh go f*ck yourself, FarkMods.

2013-01-24 08:00:05 AM  
1 votes:

Yes please: dbirchall: OgreMagi: So let me see if I understand this. Romney was called out as lying when he said Jeep was moving to China. And Chrysler (who owns the Jeep brand) recently said they are considering a move of production to China to cut costs, but it is still a lie because, uhm, er, ROMNEY!

[citation needed]

Pretty sure they  havesaid they want to increase production in China for the Chinese market.  Haven't seen them say anything about moving production of US Jeeps to China.  Did I miss something?

Last week they announced they were opening production in China, so cars that were being built in the U.S. would now be built there. But to call that moving production to China is clearly a mischaracterization, because... um, production and jobs aren't really tangible things, y'know, so you can't actually move them, and they're not moving the workers over there either. Oh, but the Lie of the Year didn't claim moving production.

Straight from the original Politifact article: PolitiFact has selected Romney's claim that Barack Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" at the cost of American jobs as the 2012 Lie of the Year.

All true, unless you want to get into whether Obama himself sold Chrysler or if he had someone else do it. Jeep's response to that claim was clearly more lies and technically but not really true statements than the "Lie of the Year" they were rebutting.

Obviously, it doesn't matter at this point from the standpoint of the election, but the fact checkers obviously need to be fact checked, and they clearly missed this one. It really has gotten to a point where you can't believe anything you hear anymore, and that's sad on any number of levels. If Politifact's M.O. is going to be "This is what we inferred, so that's what you said, and now you're a big fat liar" then they're less than worthless.



So based on something that only recently happened, something someone said MONTHS ago is now suddenly true??? BUT, this was news to me! So I did some searching and it turns out what you are saying is basically the same crock of BS Romney said months ago.

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/01/22/its-official-jeep-will-build- mo dels-in-china/

First off, love the article. It is misleading in all the right ways while remaining true. From the headline which indicates that Jeep's production is moving to China without saying it to the last article of the paragraph where the writer veers off-road into speculation based on nothing. But the meat of the article is this: production in China is increasing because sales in China increased. In another article it said Jeep had its best year ever in 2012. No article about American jobs being cut, or scaled back, or exported. Just some speculation, based on nothing, tossed into an article about how production is increasing in a foreign market that is currently expanding.

In other words, the EXACT same scenario that happened months ago during the election. It gets reported that production in China is increasing (because sales there increased), GOP decides that means American jobs are being exported, they breathlessly declared this to be so without any fact to back it up, get their panties in a twist when called on it.
2013-01-24 07:47:23 AM  
1 votes:

Dan the Schman: Oh go th914.photobucket.comrselves, FarkMods.


Improved FY.
2013-01-24 07:21:59 AM  
1 votes:

Dan the Schman: Oh go f*ck yourself, FarkMods.


THIS times infinity.

Seriously, between this steamin' pile of derp and that greenlit hatchet job on the HuffPo today, somebody has been puttin' a premium on the whargarbbl.
2013-01-24 07:09:36 AM  
1 votes:

dbirchall: OgreMagi: So let me see if I understand this. Romney was called out as lying when he said Jeep was moving to China. And Chrysler (who owns the Jeep brand) recently said they are considering a move of production to China to cut costs, but it is still a lie because, uhm, er, ROMNEY!

[citation needed]

Pretty sure they  havesaid they want to increase production in China for the Chinese market.  Haven't seen them say anything about moving production of US Jeeps to China.  Did I miss something?


Last week they announced they were opening production in China, so cars that were being built in the U.S. would now be built there. But to call that moving production to China is clearly a mischaracterization, because... um, production and jobs aren't really tangible things, y'know, so you can't actually move them, and they're not moving the workers over there either. Oh, but the Lie of the Year didn't claim moving production.

Straight from the original Politifact article: PolitiFact has selected Romney's claim that Barack Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" at the cost of American jobs as the 2012 Lie of the Year.

All true, unless you want to get into whether Obama himself sold Chrysler or if he had someone else do it. Jeep's response to that claim was clearly more lies and technically but not really true statements than the "Lie of the Year" they were rebutting.

Obviously, it doesn't matter at this point from the standpoint of the election, but the fact checkers obviously need to be fact checked, and they clearly missed this one. It really has gotten to a point where you can't believe anything you hear anymore, and that's sad on any number of levels. If Politifact's M.O. is going to be "This is what we inferred, so that's what you said, and now you're a big fat liar" then they're less than worthless.
2013-01-24 07:09:21 AM  
1 votes:
Dearest Moderators:

Stop farking trolling us.

Sincerely,

Everyone
2013-01-24 06:12:37 AM  
1 votes:
This type of thread is why I sometimes regret that $5 a month.
2013-01-24 05:47:55 AM  
1 votes:

dbirchall: OgreMagi: So let me see if I understand this. Romney was called out as lying when he said Jeep was moving to China. And Chrysler (who owns the Jeep brand) recently said they are considering a move of production to China to cut costs, but it is still a lie because, uhm, er, ROMNEY!

[citation needed]

Pretty sure they  havesaid they want to increase production in China for the Chinese market.  Haven't seen them say anything about moving production of US Jeeps to China.  Did I miss something?


Nope, you got it. Jeep is increasing production in both the US and China. Romney tried to play that as Jeep moving US jobs TO China, which was a ridiculous whopper of a lie.

That said, I don't particularly care what Politifact has to say after they called the Democratic charge that Republicans wanted to "end medicare as we knew it" as the lie of the year in 2011. Trouble is, it happened to be entirely true- the Republicans were attempting to convert it to a voucher system. That smelled very strongly of a "look at us, we're willing to call BOTH sides out, so please believe us!" move, which subverts their claimed mission of, you know, comparing claims to objective fact.
2013-01-24 05:35:36 AM  
1 votes:

OgreMagi: So let me see if I understand this. Romney was called out as lying when he said Jeep was moving to China. And Chrysler (who owns the Jeep brand) recently said they are considering a move of production to China to cut costs, but it is still a lie because, uhm, er, ROMNEY!


[citation needed]

Pretty sure they  havesaid they want to increase production in China for the Chinese market.  Haven't seen them say anything about moving production of US Jeeps to China.  Did I miss something?
2013-01-24 04:53:34 AM  
1 votes:
Careful with this flood of posts - someone might think the link is important. :P
2013-01-24 03:49:02 AM  
1 votes:

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: November: "Jeep IS moving production to China. Romney was right. Suck it, libs."

December: "Jeep IS moving production to China. Romney was right. Suck it, libs."

Yesterday: "Jeep IS moving production to China. Romney was right. Suck it, libs."

Today: "Romney never said Jeep was moving production to China. Suck it libs."


I love your name. That is all.
2013-01-24 03:30:57 AM  
1 votes:

Ed Finnerty: Dan the Schman: Oh go f*ck yourself, FarkMods.

2013-01-24 03:10:47 AM  
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: Also, subtard's random capitalisation of "Truth" makes me think of this:

[deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com image 486x342]


In conservative circles, it's a proper noun. Like Mr. Smithers or Mr. President - you have to formally greet it when you meet it, it's not something you take for granted.
2013-01-24 03:08:48 AM  
1 votes:

Dan the Schman: Oh go f*ck yourself, FarkMods.

2013-01-24 02:57:51 AM  
1 votes:
Oh god damn it, I clicked the link before I saw it was Pajamas-on-head-retarded Media.

That said... WHO farkING CARES? THE ELECTION WAS OVER TWO MONTHS AGO, this is a NON-ISSUE NOW

(also it's still a lie)
2013-01-24 02:31:29 AM  
1 votes:
Saying something is "literally true" doesn't mean it can't also be a huge lie. A lie is also "to create a false or misleading impression" (according to Merriam-Webster). Sure the Romney campaign chose their words carefully so each statement was true in the literal sense, but the ad was meant to convey that all Jeep production was being moved to China, and Obama's policies led to this outsourcing of American jobs. This is obviously completely false.

This article misconstrues the purpose of fact-checking groups. It isn't to determine what statements are literally true (both Democrats and Republicans say numerous things that are "literal truth," but are taken so far out of context or are so misleading that they are classified as blatant lies). "Literal truth" is an incredibly narrow and short-sighted view of the facts. I'd love to see "literal truth" fact-checkers, it would be the least worthwhile website ever.
2013-01-24 01:29:13 AM  
1 votes:
Republicans lie, that's all they do.
2013-01-24 01:16:02 AM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: So if you pretend that MItt Romney doesn't actually exist on the Prime Material Plane, it wasn't a lie."


Does this mean that Mitt Romney automatically becomes President and Barack Obama has to become Chief Druid of the Plane of Concordant Opposition? Because that might be pretty cool on a cosmic level.
2013-01-24 01:15:10 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Politifact has said no such thing.  This is complete and total bullshiat, 100% fabricated.  Of course it's a green.


So they're lying about Politifact lying about their Lie of the Year?

I'm...starting to get confused.
 
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