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(Talking Points Memo)   Family Research Council: Thanks to Leon Panetta, Flo will soon wreak havoc on military readiness the world over, leading to more needless bloodshed   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 168
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2013-01-23 11:32:41 PM
Wait till these guys find out that African-Americans AND gays are serving in the military already.  Man, they're gonna be pissed!
 
2013-01-23 11:38:41 PM
And their opinion counts for... what again?
 
2013-01-23 11:40:46 PM
Allow me to fix something:

Retired Disgraced Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin

There. This thread is pure.
 
2013-01-24 12:38:38 AM
The FRC should realize its opinion is regarded only by unthinking, religious nutjobs, except they can't, because they're unthinking, religious nutjobs.
 
2013-01-24 01:04:27 AM
I'd been wondering when the right would say something. Does FRC not know it's no longer 1950?
 
2013-01-24 01:07:07 AM
This was pretty far down the list in the other thread:

Tucker Carlson @TuckerCarlson

The administration boasts about sending women to the front lines on the same day Democrats push the Violence Against Women Act.

==

Tucker Carlson @TuckerCarlson

Feminism's latest victory: the right to get your limbs blown off in war. Congratulations.
 
2013-01-24 01:11:12 AM
well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?  if the answer is yes...then if its been done before, we here in the US could probably do it as well, or better 'cause we're cool like that.  if the answer is no, then f*ck it man - we're the US of A!  we can be the first and let women serve in front line combat units.  pair 'em up with the gays and there won't be any morale problems at all.  no pregnancy issues either for that matter.
 
2013-01-24 01:18:15 AM
This confirms my distrust of any organization that contains the word "Family".
 
2013-01-24 01:23:27 AM

RedPhoenix122: This confirms my distrust of any organization that contains the word "Family".


i've always kinda figured the FRC was a bunch of self hating gays who just used religious and social issues to hide their homosexuality.
 
2013-01-24 01:27:00 AM
I have my own mixed feelings about women in forward combat roles, I am apprehensive, but supportive at the same time. There is a lot to consider. I'd like to see it work.

I don't give a crap what the F*cking Retard Council thinks.
 
2013-01-24 01:32:51 AM
All I can say is, if the USTA doesn't make women start playing 5 sets of tennis now, when will they?
 
2013-01-24 01:34:35 AM
FTFA: Retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, executive vice president of the Family Research Council,

I suspect his leadership role in that organization has nothing to do with any actual social research qualifications. Despite lacking any seminary/theological training, he's now an "ordained minister" who's full time job is hating Islam and Muslims. That makes him a perfect fit for the FRC, as they do no actual research of any kind on families or anything else. They issue reactionary polemical statements. Nothing else.
 
2013-01-24 01:36:07 AM
Retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin...

...is a fkn nutball
 
2013-01-24 01:38:22 AM
Their living conditions are primal in many situations with no privacy for personal hygiene or normal functions.

THEY HAVE PERIODS AND HAVE TO PEE SITTING DOWN!!!!


Weaver95: well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?  if the answer is yes...then if its been done before, we here in the US could probably do it as well, or better 'cause we're cool like that.  if the answer is no, then f*ck it man - we're the US of A!  we can be the first and let women serve in front line combat units.  pair 'em up with the gays and there won't be any morale problems at all.  no pregnancy issues either for that matter.


This is America. We're not allowed to look at other countries for better ways of doing things.
 
2013-01-24 01:40:22 AM
Simple solution... stop getting in f*cking combat situations because some dicksnot named CurveBall told you a pack of f*cking lies.
 
2013-01-24 01:41:47 AM
To be fair, the Family Research Council is on to one thing about the dangers: Women's periods attract bears, and that would put our whole army at risk.

/Ron Burgundy is a noted military strategist
 
2013-01-24 01:46:53 AM

Weaver95: well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?

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Does commanding large armies count as "soldiering?"
 
2013-01-24 01:46:58 AM
Eek, eek, women have different bodily functions than men! They might have periods out in combat and have to change their tampons out in the field and how are they going to piss when they have to take down their pants? It might be icky!

Yeah, it might be. And yeah, it's tough when you have to take down your duty belt to squat to piss--ask any female cop who has to take off her Sally Browne to take a leak on duty in a dirty bathroom with a wet floor. Of course, you have the same problems behind the lines, too. The bigger issues are not personal hygiene and private functions, but whether a woman can carry 100 pounds of gear into combat and haul a wounded comrade out of fire while he's got the same weight of equipment on his back. Assuming she can, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Otherwise, toilet functions can be solved with a slight adjustment in uniform design, and perhaps rotating females off the front lines more frequently if men are just too grossed out by their female companions periods.
 
2013-01-24 01:48:00 AM

Triumph: All I can say is, if the USTA doesn't make women start playing 5 sets of tennis now, when will they?


In a very very loose extension of that, I want to know when women can go bare chested like men at a sporting event? Would it be a natural step to have them paint their nipples in team colors until society is ready for prime-time tatas ?
 
2013-01-24 01:48:25 AM
fta ...they will now have the distraction of having to provide some separation of the genders during fast moving and deadly situations.

Huh. You learn something new every day.
 
2013-01-24 01:49:22 AM
While their focus must remain on winning the battles and protecting their troops, they will now have the distraction of having to provide some separation of the genders during fast moving and deadly situations.

so in this guys mind this is a realistic scenario...

"sir we're under attack!! what are your orders???"

"Just a moment private. I'm trying to figure out where Michele can pee"

"But sir! Jones and smith are dead, and brown is severally wounded!"

"Oh and get on the radio and ask HQ where our supply of OD green tampons is. it was supposed to be here tuesday."
 
2013-01-24 01:49:34 AM
I just hope Flo will have good insurance coverage at the front.
 
2013-01-24 01:56:48 AM
Now I really wish Obama had sworn in on a Koran or no book at all (or maybe just a copy of the Constitution) just to piss off Bryan Fischer and James Dobson.
 
2013-01-24 01:57:55 AM

IlGreven: Now I really wish Obama had sworn in on a Koran or no book at all (or maybe just a copy of the Constitution) just to piss off Bryan Fischer and James Dobson.


I wish he had sworn in on 50 Shades of Gray while Michelle was in the background doing air pelvic thrusts and winking to the crowd.
 
2013-01-24 01:58:20 AM

Weaver95: well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?  if the answer is yes...then if its been done before, we here in the US could probably do it as well, or better 'cause we're cool like that.  if the answer is no, then f*ck it man - we're the US of A!  we can be the first and let women serve in front line combat units.  pair 'em up with the gays and there won't be any morale problems at all.  no pregnancy issues either for that matter.


I'm sure someone will be around with the usual "women of the Israeli Defense Force" photo spread.
 
2013-01-24 02:00:14 AM
In all fairness, the guy makes some pretty legitimate points about the problems mixed-gender units would face if we were going to fight another trench war like in World War One, which was before women were allowed to vote, which is what the Family Research Council would like to return to ... so if it doesn't make sense to you, that's because you lack the FRC's eagerness to turn the clock back a hundred years.
 
2013-01-24 02:00:57 AM
Family Research Council: - you can stop right there, no reason to list anything they say.

Hell, I'm tired of the 'news' broadcasts announcing what the NRA has to say that day. We don't care!
 
2013-01-24 02:01:34 AM

IlGreven: Weaver95: well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?  if the answer is yes...then if its been done before, we here in the US could probably do it as well, or better 'cause we're cool like that.  if the answer is no, then f*ck it man - we're the US of A!  we can be the first and let women serve in front line combat units.  pair 'em up with the gays and there won't be any morale problems at all.  no pregnancy issues either for that matter.

I'm sure someone will be around with the usual "women of the Israeli Defense Force" photo spread.


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That blah one must be a Kravitz.
 
2013-01-24 02:02:35 AM

coeyagi: In a very very loose extension of that, I want to know when women can go bare chested like men at a sporting event? Would it be a natural step to have them paint their nipples in team colors until society is ready for prime-time tatas ?


Ow. I'm not a woman but I can imagine that without any support it would hurt quickly.
 
2013-01-24 02:04:03 AM

thatboyoverthere: coeyagi: In a very very loose extension of that, I want to know when women can go bare chested like men at a sporting event? Would it be a natural step to have them paint their nipples in team colors until society is ready for prime-time tatas ?

Ow. I'm not a woman but I can imagine that without any support it would hurt quickly.


God gave men two hands for a reason, and most stadiums now have beer can holders on the back of seats, so we're set there.
 
2013-01-24 02:11:37 AM

coeyagi: IlGreven: Weaver95: well, ok - have women in history managed to serve in any military anywhere in the world at any time and been effective soldiers?  if the answer is yes...then if its been done before, we here in the US could probably do it as well, or better 'cause we're cool like that.  if the answer is no, then f*ck it man - we're the US of A!  we can be the first and let women serve in front line combat units.  pair 'em up with the gays and there won't be any morale problems at all.  no pregnancy issues either for that matter.

I'm sure someone will be around with the usual "women of the Israeli Defense Force" photo spread.

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That blah one must be a Kravitz.


Dat ass on the blonde..
 
2013-01-24 02:12:12 AM
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PROUD.
 
2013-01-24 02:20:45 AM
What about commanding roles? One of my closest childhood friends (and first GF) is a 1st Lt working in Army intel.
She could snap this guy's arm like twig while berating him in any number of languages, and still manage to look good doing it.
 
2013-01-24 02:28:00 AM
Came for Flo.

Leaving happy.

I'm supportive of women who want to be in combat. I'm sure the military has accommodated for things much more difficult than hygiene.
 
2013-01-24 02:30:31 AM

gas giant: What about commanding roles? One of my closest childhood friends (and first GF) is a 1st Lt working in Army intel.
She could snap this guy's arm like twig while berating him in any number of languages, and still manage to look good doing it.


that may be true, but she also has....blood....and it comes out of her.. *gulp*.... "pee hole"....
 
2013-01-24 02:30:39 AM

Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: This confirms my distrust of any organization that contains the word "Family".

i've always kinda figured the FRC was a bunch of self hating gays who just used religious and social issues to hide their homosexuality.


Honestly, it all reduces to sexism: since men are better than women, gay men are bad because they love men/get f*cked by men, things that women do. It's debasing themselves by lowering their station.

/lesbians are kind of OK because they don't threaten the masculinity of men (because all straight men are adequately macho, apparently), but also because they love women, something men do, so they are elevating themselves somewhat. But, they're still gay, so we just won't talk about it. (Also, it's hot or something.)
 
2013-01-24 02:36:55 AM

austerity101: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: This confirms my distrust of any organization that contains the word "Family".

i've always kinda figured the FRC was a bunch of self hating gays who just used religious and social issues to hide their homosexuality.

Honestly, it all reduces to sexism: since men are better than women, gay men are bad because they love men/get f*cked by men, things that women do. It's debasing themselves by lowering their station.

/lesbians are kind of OK because they don't threaten the masculinity of men (because all straight men are adequately macho, apparently), but also because they love women, something men do, so they are elevating themselves somewhat. But, they're still gay, so we just won't talk about it. (Also, it's hot or something.)


Unless we're talking about butch lesbians, who do threaten masculinity of men, or well, any woman who enters into a traditionally male field and excels, thus threatening men's masculinity.
 
2013-01-24 02:39:17 AM

rynthetyn: Unless we're talking about butch lesbians, who do threaten masculinity of men, or well, any woman who enters into a traditionally male field and excels, thus threatening men's masculinity.


This is true. I always forget about the bizarre wrinkle that masculinity is somehow a zero-sum game.
 
2013-01-24 02:45:15 AM
While their focus must remain on winning the battles and protecting their troops, they will now have the distraction of having to provide some separation of the genders during fast moving and deadly situations

Yeah. Like an operator wont just piss wherever they like during an op, regardless of gender.
I stopped listening to ex SF officers years ago, as 99% of them are loons.
/this statement does not apply to Seals or SAS.
 
2013-01-24 02:46:54 AM

rynthetyn: I'd been wondering when the right would say something. Does FRC not know it's no longer 1950?


Of course they do! If it was still the 50s they wouldn't be trying so hard to drag us backwards 60 years.
 
2013-01-24 02:47:12 AM

log_jammin: but she also has....blood....and it comes out of her.. *gulp*.... "pee hole"....


Maybe they should object to her service in person...
;)
 
2013-01-24 02:50:56 AM

coeyagi: Triumph: All I can say is, if the USTA doesn't make women start playing 5 sets of tennis now, when will they?

In a very very loose extension of that, I want to know when women can go bare chested like men at a sporting event? Would it be a natural step to have them paint their nipples in team colors until society is ready for prime-time tatas ?


To the White House petition site!
 
2013-01-24 02:52:35 AM

gas giant: Maybe they should object to her service in person...
;)


I'll just throw a mouse into the room, then while shes standing on a chair holding her skirt up and screaming, I'll jump in and get the mouse for her. as she's catching her breath I'll put my hand on her shoulder and say "sweetie pie...women don't belong in combat". after hearing such wisdom for the first time she will agree 100% then proceed to make me a sandwich. Roast beef, with spicy mustard.
 
2013-01-24 02:52:42 AM
I have concerns about women in combat too, but again, I have a female friend who is in the Isreali army and she's a very sexy woman and will take your head off in an instant if she feels it is necessary. If a woman choses to do that, who am I to stop them.
 
2013-01-24 02:52:50 AM
So, if we every get our asses stuck in some actually important war some day and have to re-institute the draft women will be required to register with selective services, right? Can't have it both ways, if women are fully being integrated they have to be drafted too.
 
2013-01-24 02:54:01 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: So, if we every get our asses stuck in some actually important war some day and have to re-institute the draft women will be required to register with selective services, right? Can't have it both ways, if women are fully being integrated they have to be drafted too.


Not if they shiat themselves like Nugent did.
 
2013-01-24 02:58:02 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I have concerns about women in combat too, but again,


I was hearing on Newshour this afternoon that Women have already been in combat for a while, here's a transcript excerpt:
" Anyone who has spent any time in Iraq or Afghanistan knows that women are on the tip of the spear. There are no front lines in these counterinsurgency wars. So, if you're a logistics battalion that has women in it -- and during the Iraq invasion, there was one that got captured that had women in it. There was artillery battalions that are led by female colonels during the invasion. Those artillery units ended up being foot patrols because you didn't need a lot of artillery in counterinsurgency warfare.


GWEN IFILL: It sounds like you're saying this is a difference without a distinction.
JAMES KITFIELD: Well, what I'm saying is wars have a way of sort of making some of these distinctions meaningless, because women are already in combat, quite honestly.

And men have seen that. Men have seen that they can hold up their own, and women who put their lives on the line, in some cases, more than 100 have paid the ultimate sacrifice. Women are just not willing to go through that and be told that, hey, you're not allowed this promotion because you can't be in a combat unit. Hey, I have been in combat for the last few years. So, it's -- the unfairness of it comes to the fore."
 
2013-01-24 03:00:42 AM

Bigdogdaddy: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, if we every get our asses stuck in some actually important war some day and have to re-institute the draft women will be required to register with selective services, right? Can't have it both ways, if women are fully being integrated they have to be drafted too.

Not if they shiat themselves like Nugent did.


He doesn't count, he's not a real American in as much as he doesn't care about this country, he doesn't care about it's laws, he doesn't care about it's leader, and he doesn't care about it's armed services. He's a coward, a liar an asshole and an all around insane piece of shiat. Most women are born more balls than he managed to have (probably from swelling after a rightly deserved swift kick in the Jimmy).
 
2013-01-24 03:03:23 AM
The FRC's argument doesn't even make sense on the surface. What Panetta did was enable more people to be in the military and more people to be in combat.

So somehow: ""The Obama administration has undermined our nation's security and increased the risk to those who serve"... by encouraging more people to serve. ZOMG!
 
2013-01-24 03:04:49 AM
[smacks log_jammin with a picket off a fence, proceeds to tie him to the nearest bunk and then yells for
the 1st Bumpy Marine Squad to use him for pugil stick drills]


Don't be insulting us biatches. We get all catty and vindictive and shiat. And then we get MEAN.
 
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