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2013-01-24 08:48:37 AM

gh0strid3r: log_jammin: gh0strid3r: nteresting that you know this when there have been no studies on the subject.

"Few, if any, chemicals at levels detected in electronic cigarettes raise serious health concerns," the authors said. "Although the existing research does not warrant a conclusion that electronic cigarettes are safe in absolute terms and further clinical studies are needed to comprehensively assess the safety of electronic cigarettes, a preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products."

Inconclusive at best, and even if it's true, I'd still flatten your nose if you blow that crap in my face.


Oh, you're a both a sensitive snowflake AND an ITG. You must be a real hoot at parties.
 
2013-01-24 09:07:48 AM

The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I would prefer that they be regulated as drugs/medical devices, personally. I have used one for four years now. I was able to quit a 15-year long pack-a-day habit literally instantly, and dread the tobacco companies finding ways to make them so expensive and heavily taxed that they become less financially viable than cigarettes. At this point, I can spend $100 a year to support my desire for nicotine delivered in a manner that satisfies my oral fixation with no smoke, no second-hand smoke, no discoloration of my teeth, no nastiness to my breath or personal odor, and no side effects yet seen or known. I'm sure that the tobacco lobby is livid at the prospect of even 10% of smokers doing the same.  I'd rather get the solid tests and trials to make certain that it's safe and keep them available and practical.


I couldnt read a word of your quote because I was dumbfounded by how awesome your handle is.
 
2013-01-24 09:09:24 AM
i quit a 20+ year pack+ a day of marlboro reds with the e-cig.

I still use mine and haven't had the craving for an actual cigarette since the first puff on the "e"... Over a year ago.

It is simply the best, easiest and as far as I am concerned only simple way to quit cigarettes.

it is literally a godsend.
 
2013-01-24 09:14:00 AM

JohnnyC: ng2810: Bullshiat.

Perhaps I should rephrase... E-cigs people I know (which I did say before too) have tried were shiat and they didn't stick with it more than a couple weeks. No need to get all upset about it.


They probably were not :

a) using a decent one

b) were not really interested in quitting

My wife, a professional smoker (over 20 years), had tried EVERYTHING, all the gums, all the patches, the prescriptions pills, the laser therapy, and was never able to quit.

Tried an e-cig one day, never looked back, seriously, it was that instant.

It's been over a year now, she was added a regular cigarette once and she couldn't even finish two puffs before it made her sick. Now the smell of cigarettes gross her out completely, as before, when she's try to quit via the other methods, she'd relish the disgusting smell.
 
2013-01-24 09:22:31 AM

BMFPitt: Yes, let's get together and ban the most effective device ever for getting people to quit smoking, which has no negative effect on those around the person using it.


Chantix is the most effective way to quit smoking. Hands down. It absolutely cannot be beat.
 
2013-01-24 09:24:12 AM
I love my ecigs... but I was never a smoker in the first place. Vaping is just too much fun! Just don't get a shiatty one from a gas station...order a kit.
 
2013-01-24 09:33:18 AM

ceebeecates4: For anyone looking to quit, try Chantix.

It's expensive (esp if you have shiatty insurance) and it's dangerous (esp if you have mental issues).

It's also extremely effective.


My husband is bi-polar and wanted to quit smoking. He asked his psychiatrist about Chantix and she told him "ABSOLUTELY NOT !!!"

Chantix is definitely not good for people with the crazies.

He has been using electronic cigarettes for a about 6 months now and is relying on them less and less. He is very happy with the results.
 
2013-01-24 09:54:50 AM
Definitely don't judge them by the gas station kits. (Or even the "luxury" retail kits like Blu..) Some people like them but they range from "omg wtf" to "ok. They are basically the equivalent of the cheapest nastiest cigs you can buy.. "Oh no, this $2.00 pack doesn't taste as good/smooth as my normal $7.50 pack!"

When I quit (for almost 6 years) I used wellbutrin and the patch together. Worked like a champ. (Take the wellbutrin for a few weeks, set a quit date, follow the patch directions while still taking the pills. No crazy suicide thoughts, etc.) I had a whole 15 minutes of hard time in the first week, and once it passed it was done. Even quit each level of the patch 1-3 days early and quit the patch completely on my wedding day. (We were in Jamaica, and I ended up having to waste half a cuban cigar - I felt the nicotine rush, peppy, etc and went "oh, thats not ok." Set it down and no problem.)

Been smoking again for a couple years, but my ecig (550 kit plus 550-t upgrades) is showing up tomorrow or Sat. Looking forward to it, its too damn cold out there..
 
2013-01-24 09:58:01 AM
Ran into a guy on a cruise ship smoking one. Did a doubletake as he was inside.

Used them some myself back when...I was never a heavy smoker...used disposables, which are a little pricey but very convenient. It's kind of like switching to diet coke. Not quite as good but better than nothing and in a few days it meets your needs.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:30 AM

pennygirl: Chantix is definitely not good for people with the crazies.


Chantix is great for quitting smoking, but it sucks for everything else. You have to be solid mentally to take it, because it works by blocking the pleasure receptors in the nerves, or something like that. Smokes taste like shiat and dont do anything for you, and thats nice, but what they dont tell you is that beer tastes like shiat, vodka might eventually get you drunk, but is not enjoyable and food is just food.

Get on it and off it ASAP.
 
2013-01-24 10:02:42 AM

RedPhoenix122: Good, considering we still don't know the long term effects.


Pretty much.

And, even if we did, it contains nicotine and thus should be regulated.

Otherwise we get flavored kids e-cigs... what's that? They already make those? Dammit!
 
2013-01-24 10:10:24 AM

Myria: I don't mind that the government is taking an interest in regulating an obviously addictive and potentially dangerous product. However, the government really needs to consider the harm reduction potential here.

Nicotine's not good for you, but it's by far not the worst thing in a cigarette. In the vast majority of cases, nicotine is not what kills a smoker. If we could get a significant percentage of people to quit smoking and start vaping, there presumably would be a decent reduction in cigarette mortality. Significant life and cost saving abound.

This is assuming that these products don't cause death some other way, which studying can determine.


I'm concerned about the possible lethal effects of studies. Seriously. WE DON'T KNOW if there are any lethal effects. Of course we have "common sense" and "logic" that tell us "No, that's silly," but these are just mental crutches and really don't take the place of methodical and meticulous double blind studies.

You rugged bootstrappy individualists can rely on your "common sense" and "logic" all you want, but I won't feel safe until the government has conducted a conclusive and unbiased study of the whole study issue.
 
2013-01-24 10:11:10 AM

RedPhoenix122: Good, considering we still don't know the long term effects.


We know very well the long term effects of nicotine, which is what e-cigs deliver (and sometimes some flavoring). I think it is a good thing for the FDA to regulate these products, since without regulation, who knows what unscrupulous manufacturers will begin selling. The FDA should be promoting the use of e-cigs by smokers, since all of the cancer and lung disease risk goes away, when a smoker switches. These e-cigs are becoming popular and it surprises me that the tobacco companies aren't all over them. They will replace the smoking of tobacco (at least cigarettes) in just a few years.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:17 AM
Subby, you're a retard.

Of course they don't contain tobacco.

However, they do contain nicotine. And other chemicals. But let's not let facts get in the way of your petty outrage.

Did you even read the article, subtard?

FTA: "The FDA will propose subjecting e-cigarette companies to rules that already cover the makers of regular cigarettes, such as providing the government with lists of product ingredients"

Makes perfect sense to me, subhuman. Or maybe you'd prefer that there be more products on the market made from all kinds of mystery materials?

And where do you think those e-cigarettes are made, submoran? USA! USA USA! ??? No, but thank you for playing. They're made in China. And we all know that China has such high standards.

But yeah, let's raise the alarm against this overreaching government regulation, subidiot.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:01 AM
Currently vaping peppermint hot chocolate flavor juice using my eGo, so getting a kick, etc.

Seriously, ecigs are the most effective way I've found to quit smoking, so of course Big Tobacco is scared shiatless - more people vaping = less people smoking = less $ for them.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:22 AM

RevMark: However, they do contain nicotine.


Nicotine has health benefits. It's the other garbage in cigarettes that kills you. Any reputable vaping liquid company uses only FDA approved flavorings. Your fear is unfounded.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:57 AM
Did anyone actually read the article? This is the designation the e-cig companies were hoping for, since the alternative was categorization as a medical device, which would have required them to conduct more costly safety and efficacy studies.
 
2013-01-24 10:53:00 AM

JohnnyC: I decided today that I'm going to get the patch and try to quit smoking. I'm just tired of being addicted to them. Walgreens sells a "Walgreen" brand version for pretty cheap. Here's to quitting the habit.

Oh... E-Cigs are shiat... everyone I know who's ever tried using them did so for about two weeks before giving up on them. They're a novelty at best.


I need something for the physical habit, the oral fixation, of smoking. I've chewed the ends off of all my work pens, and go through half a dozen straws when I go out to eat.
 
2013-01-24 10:57:05 AM
JohnnyC


Good luck...We're all counting on you.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:32 AM

RevMark: Subby, you're a retard.

Of course they don't contain tobacco.

However, they do contain nicotine. And other chemicals. But let's not let facts get in the way of your petty outrage.

Did you even read the article, subtard?

FTA: "The FDA will propose subjecting e-cigarette companies to rules that already cover the makers of regular cigarettes, such as providing the government with lists of product ingredients"

Makes perfect sense to me, subhuman. Or maybe you'd prefer that there be more products on the market made from all kinds of mystery materials?

And where do you think those e-cigarettes are made, submoran? USA! USA USA! ??? No, but thank you for playing. They're made in China. And we all know that China has such high standards.

But yeah, let's raise the alarm against this overreaching government regulation, subidiot.


You're a dick.
 
2013-01-24 11:17:23 AM
E-cig is the only way I was able to quit. I now have one for a few puffs a night if work was particularly stressful. My e cig fluid has NO NICOTINE IN IT AT ALL. Lots of people use e-cigs with no nicotine. I've been quit for over three years now. I smoked for 15 years.
 
2013-01-24 11:23:40 AM

Madbassist1: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I would prefer that they be regulated as drugs/medical devices, personally. I have used one for four years now. I was able to quit a 15-year long pack-a-day habit literally instantly, and dread the tobacco companies finding ways to make them so expensive and heavily taxed that they become less financially viable than cigarettes. At this point, I can spend $100 a year to support my desire for nicotine delivered in a manner that satisfies my oral fixation with no smoke, no second-hand smoke, no discoloration of my teeth, no nastiness to my breath or personal odor, and no side effects yet seen or known. I'm sure that the tobacco lobby is livid at the prospect of even 10% of smokers doing the same.  I'd rather get the solid tests and trials to make certain that it's safe and keep them available and practical.

I couldnt read a word of your quote because I was dumbfounded by how awesome your handle is.


Agreed. I just want to be in a reply chain with that handle.
 
2013-01-24 11:27:37 AM

untaken_name: Bonzo_1116: So what is the source material for the nicotine in the e-cig mixes?

If it's synthesized Ok, maybe it's not a tobacco product...but if it's a tobacco extract process to get the nicotine, then it's still a tobacco product.

So things with caffeine are all coffee products? Interesting.


No, but anything that is extracted from coffee is a coffee product...

/assuming you know what extraction is
//if you dont then by all means say so
 
2013-01-24 12:07:07 PM
Thank you tobacco lobbyists.
 
2013-01-24 12:09:34 PM

salsashark1: Tobacco is nicotin. Dumass.


Guess you're going to have to put me down under the Dumbass colunm.
I always thought that nicotine was a part of the plant that is called tobacco.
 
2013-01-24 12:12:38 PM
I know of at least two people who successfully quit smoking cigarettes with e-cigs. IMHO whatever gets you off tobacco is A-OK. Whatever negative health effects e-cigs have pale in comparison to what inhaling tobacco smoke does.

My dad died from lung cancer that spread to his brain. Yes, you gotta die of something, but believe me, you don't want to die like that.
 
2013-01-24 12:22:10 PM

RevMark: And where do you think those e-cigarettes are made, submoran? USA! USA USA! ??? No, but thank you for playing. They're made in China. And we all know that China has such high standards.


FWIW the people I know who use the "good" ecigs (non-disposable or at least not retail) generally mix their own flavors from sane ingredients. (Most common recipe seems to be USA-made unflavored nicotine with VG, and/or the same with PG, and standard food-approved mint oils.)

/not subby
//my new ecig stuff is coming with Chinese goo from 'DeKang'
///Compare USA with China in their treatment of people selling contaminated food..
 
2013-01-24 12:30:42 PM
I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)
 
2013-01-24 12:32:05 PM

RocketRay: I know of at least two people who successfully quit smoking cigarettes with e-cigs. IMHO whatever gets you off tobacco is A-OK. Whatever negative health effects e-cigs have pale in comparison to what inhaling tobacco smoke does.

My dad died from lung cancer that spread to his brain. Yes, you gotta die of something, but believe me, you don't want to die like that.


You also don't want to die by freezing to death, getting tortured, watching your family die first.
 
2013-01-24 12:34:22 PM
E-cigarette manufacturers could have avoided this whole mess if they had just had the foresight to manufacture them in Utah and call them "nutritional supplements."
 
2013-01-24 12:43:02 PM

MBZ321: I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)


The cigarette shaped ones don't work well. Look for a Joyetech eGo battery and a clearomizer like a Kanger T2 or T3. E-Cigarette Forum has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Also, I would recommend dropping the quest to find something that tastes like a cigarette. There is just nothing out there that replicates the flavor of burning tobacco. Find something else you enjoy the flavor of. I wasn't able to quit smoking until I quit looking for a decent cigarette flavored juice.
 
2013-01-24 12:44:42 PM

bbcard1: Ran into a guy on a cruise ship smoking one. Did a doubletake as he was inside.


Did the same onboard a commercial airliner. (The guy wasn't actually using it, but couldn't take it away from his mouth nonetheless.)

And if they're based on tobacco products, I see zero reason myself why they should be treated any differently to tobacco products. They should be taxed the same, banned in the same places, and so forth.

I also don't believe they in any way help with quitting. They merely replace one dependency with another, and if anything strengthen the dependency by making it easier to obtain the nicotine in places that don't allow smoking, and without the side effects of the smoke / tar, thereby letting you get more nicotine than you usually would and strengthen your addiction.

And before anybody else dives in to say I know not of what I speak, I am an ex-smoker who smoked as much as a pack a day for many years. I also quit, cold turkey, on my first real attempt and without ny crutches like patches, gum, e-cigs, or any other nonsense. And I have been quit for many years now; haven't even come close to picking up a cig, even when others are smoking around me. And most significantly, I did all of this despite the fact that I have an addictive personality.

So how'd I do it? I wanted to quit. That simple. There's little point trying to quit when you don't really want to; you're just setting yourself up for failure. You have to strongly, strongly want to quit -- and you channel that energy into a continual reminder to yourself of why you shouldn't pick up and light that next cig. In my case, it was the result of an extremely bad cold that left me barely able to take a single drag off my cig without a major coughing fit, and the realization that one day if I didn't quit, I'd be like that *all* the time, cold or not. I used that visual to keep the cigs at bay; kept a partial pack in my pocket for the first week or two and never did more than take one out, look at it, and put it back in the box.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:59 PM
Not surprising given that it's the FDA who want to keep their piece of the taxation pie that's continuing to dwindle from lower tobacco sales. I've been vaping for over 2-1/2 years now and it's been fantastic. The overpriced small ones that look like a cigarette don't generally work out long-term -- almost everyone who starts with it and does a little research moves on to something with more kick.

They are not a gimmick or a fad. They're the most effective method to get off of cigarettes ever devised, and that's by a tremendous margin. I know many, many people who have successfully chucked tobacco because of them, some of whom I helped get started in the first place, either personally or through my YouTube reviews. And it feels damn good to have helped people toss the cigs. I just hope the FDA doesn't regulate them into near non-existence or uselessness.
 
2013-01-24 01:07:57 PM
By the government's standards, that's pretty logical -- in a relative sort of way.
 
2013-01-24 01:10:58 PM

gweilo8888: I also don't believe they in any way help with quitting. They merely replace one dependency with another

...

Meh, we're all dependent on some things. Take a way my coffee and I'll have a splitting migraine for days. That's true physical dependency, yet there's no problem with taking a kid to Starbucks because coffee really doesn't hurt you -- addictive or not. The problem with cigarettes is that they give you cancer -- not because of the nicotine, but because you're inhaling smoke. If the smoke is gone, so is the cancer, and so is the problem.
 
2013-01-24 01:13:19 PM

gweilo8888: bbcard1: Ran into a guy on a cruise ship smoking one. Did a doubletake as he was inside.

Did the same onboard a commercial airliner. (The guy wasn't actually using it, but couldn't take it away from his mouth nonetheless.)

And if they're based on tobacco products, I see zero reason myself why they should be treated any differently to tobacco products. They should be taxed the same, banned in the same places, and so forth.


Except that their being banned in places has to do with second-hand smoke harming others. E-cigarettes do not.

http://www.ivaqs.com
http://clearstream.flavourart.it

I also don't believe they in any way help with quitting. They merely replace one dependency with another, and if anything strengthen the dependency by making it easier to obtain the nicotine in places that don't allow smoking, and without the side effects of the smoke / tar, thereby letting you get more nicotine than you usually would and strengthen your addiction.

And this is a bad thing because...? E-cigarettes are a harm-reduction strategy. They are designed to eliminate all of the nasty stuff that's in tobacco, and to that end they are completely effective. Nicotne is not the demon you seem to think it is. Its effects are very similar to caffeine, including its addictiveness. If you drink coffee or caffeinated soda then you get the same effects I do, just perhaps not in the same quantities unless you drink a lot of coffee or soda on a daily basis.

That is relpaces one addiction for another is wholly irrelevant when the replacement is orders of magnitude safer than the one it replaces, and furthermore is much easier to wean yourself off of than the one it replaces. Tobacco contains loads of additives and produces tons of byproducts, some of which (monoamine oxidase inhibitors, nornicotine, anatabine) intensify the addiction. E-cigarettes do not have these. (There are a couple of companies who do make E-liquid containing whole tobacco alkaloids for those who are sensitive to the absence of the aforementioned chemicals, and they're not as healthy as other E-liquids, but they are still safer than tobacco.)

And before anybody else dives in to say I know not of what I speak, I am an ex-smoker who smoked as much as a pack a day for many years. I also quit, cold turkey, on my first real attempt and without ny crutches like patches, gum, e-cigs, or any other nonsense. And I have been quit for many years now; haven't even come close to picking up a cig, even when others are smoking around me. And most significantly, I did all of this despite the fact that I have an addictive personality.

Well, congratulations on quitting. I'm happy for you. No sarcasm. But you're the exception, not the rule. Most of us have tried to quit using myriad methods and nothing has worked. Except E-cigarettes, which for us were infinitely more effective and pretty much immediately supplanted traditional cigarettes. And those of us who successfully switched have seen marked improvements in our lung function and overall health. And I don't mean that anecdotally, many of us have had physical exams that have shown us that conclusively.

Do not condemn what you do not understand.
 
2013-01-24 01:17:27 PM

gweilo8888: bbcard1: Ran into a guy on a cruise ship smoking one. Did a doubletake as he was inside.

Did the same onboard a commercial airliner. (The guy wasn't actually using it, but couldn't take it away from his mouth nonetheless.)

And if they're based on tobacco products, I see zero reason myself why they should be treated any differently to tobacco products. They should be taxed the same, banned in the same places, and so forth.

I also don't believe they in any way help with quitting. They merely replace one dependency with another, and if anything strengthen the dependency by making it easier to obtain the nicotine in places that don't allow smoking, and without the side effects of the smoke / tar, thereby letting you get more nicotine than you usually would and strengthen your addiction.

And before anybody else dives in to say I know not of what I speak, I am an ex-smoker who smoked as much as a pack a day for many years. I also quit, cold turkey, on my first real attempt and without ny crutches like patches, gum, e-cigs, or any other nonsense. And I have been quit for many years now; haven't even come close to picking up a cig, even when others are smoking around me. And most significantly, I did all of this despite the fact that I have an addictive personality.

So how'd I do it? I wanted to quit. That simple. There's little point trying to quit when you don't really want to; you're just setting yourself up for failure. You have to strongly, strongly want to quit -- and you channel that energy into a continual reminder to yourself of why you shouldn't pick up and light that next cig. In my case, it was the result of an extremely bad cold that left me barely able to take a single drag off my cig without a major coughing fit, and the realization that one day if I didn't quit, I'd be like that *all* the time, cold or not. I used that visual to keep the cigs at bay; kept a partial pack in my pocket for the first week or two and never did more than take one out, look a ...


You don't know what you're talking about because you have no experience with the ecig. With the ecig you are able to control how much nicotine you are getting. It's as if they had Marlboros with 100% of the regular amount of nicotine down to Marlboros with 0 nicotine, yet they tasted the same. Can you understand how this might be beneficial to someone that was looking to quit?
Even if it was replacing one with the other, which some people do, cigarettes are a hell of a lot more harmful than ecigs.
 
2013-01-24 01:21:42 PM

I want your skull: MBZ321: I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)

The cigarette shaped ones don't work well. Look for a Joyetech eGo battery and a clearomizer like a Kanger T2 or T3. E-Cigarette Forum has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Also, I would recommend dropping the quest to find something that tastes like a cigarette. There is just nothing out there that replicates the flavor of burning tobacco. Find something else you enjoy the flavor of. I wasn't able to quit smoking until I quit looking for a decent cigarette flavored juice.


I mentioned it in an earlier post but IMO it's better in the long run to get something like the maxi roughstack V2, because it gives you the ability to use much cheaper batteries, and switch from 3.7 to 6 to 7.4 volts just by changing which battery you use. Those eGo batteries don't last as long, don't hold a charge as long, put out lower voltage, and cost about 3-4 times as much-- more if you wanted to go variable voltage.
 
2013-01-24 01:38:13 PM

Wise_Guy: I want your skull: MBZ321: I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)

The cigarette shaped ones don't work well. Look for a Joyetech eGo battery and a clearomizer like a Kanger T2 or T3. E-Cigarette Forum has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Also, I would recommend dropping the quest to find something that tastes like a cigarette. There is just nothing out there that replicates the flavor of burning tobacco. Find something else you enjoy the flavor of. I wasn't able to quit smoking until I quit looking for a decent cigarette flavored juice.

I mentioned it in an earlier post but IMO it's better in the long run to get something like the maxi roughstack V2, because it gives you the ability to use much cheaper batteries, and switch from 3.7 to 6 to 7.4 volts just by changing which battery you use. Those eGo batteries don't last as long, don't hold a charge as long, put out lower voltage, and cost about 3-4 times as much-- more if you wanted to go variable voltage.


ACtually, I'd recommend something like the Joyetech eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner. They're pretty dirt cheap ($20-35 depending on what model and where you get them) and give you 3.3-4.8V capability in 650-1300mAh capacities. They don't have the muscle of larger mods, granted, but they're perfect for a beginner and usually what recommend to those just starting out.

Add a Kanger T2 (my current favourite clearo) and you've got a pretty great setup. Even I'm using a Spinner with a T2 right now (plus an iTaste with a SmokTech carto in a glass tank), just ebcause it works really well for what it is and what I'm using on it.
 
2013-01-24 01:46:01 PM
Used to smoke heavily and did the Camel Snus (later Marlboro and the real Swedish stuff).
Enter FSC (Fire Standard Cigarettes) the biggest piece of shiat the asshole government has passed since the USA PATRIOT Act. They add more dangerous chemicals to already dangerous cigarettes, because why the fark not? Well those chemicals made me vomit...constantly.
SO
I decided to cut back, and I began to rolled my own cigs for a time and vaped for a year. During that year, I quit smoking altogether.
Vaping became too much of a chore, always refilling and charging, so I switched to snus..then chew.
That gave me a good hit, but then I wanted more. So I started vaping and doing chew/snus.
But sometimes vaping was a hassle, so I would smoke on a very rare occasion (still made me sick).
At one point I was doing snus, e-cigs, chew, and cigs.

I was a hardcore nicotine fiend. The shiat is dangerous...really dangerous. Finally, 4 months ago I quit smoking altogether. I even stayed true to no smoke through my car dying, stress of a job change, bills piling up, and more loans. If I made it through that, I am ready to stay quit.
 
2013-01-24 01:47:47 PM

imfallen_angel: JohnnyC: ng2810: Bullshiat.

Perhaps I should rephrase... E-cigs people I know (which I did say before too) have tried were shiat and they didn't stick with it more than a couple weeks. No need to get all upset about it.

They probably were not :

a) using a decent one

b) were not really interested in quitting

My wife, a professional smoker (over 20 years), had tried EVERYTHING, all the gums, all the patches, the prescriptions pills, the laser therapy, and was never able to quit.

Tried an e-cig one day, never looked back, seriously, it was that instant.

It's been over a year now, she was added a regular cigarette once and she couldn't even finish two puffs before it made her sick. Now the smell of cigarettes gross her out completely, as before, when she's try to quit via the other methods, she'd relish the disgusting smell.


What the fark? Laser therapy? How in the hell does that work?
 
2013-01-24 01:50:59 PM

Psychopusher: Wise_Guy: I want your skull: MBZ321: I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)

The cigarette shaped ones don't work well. Look for a Joyetech eGo battery and a clearomizer like a Kanger T2 or T3. E-Cigarette Forum has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Also, I would recommend dropping the quest to find something that tastes like a cigarette. There is just nothing out there that replicates the flavor of burning tobacco. Find something else you enjoy the flavor of. I wasn't able to quit smoking until I quit looking for a decent cigarette flavored juice.

I mentioned it in an earlier post but IMO it's better in the long run to get something like the maxi roughstack V2, because it gives you the ability to use much cheaper batteries, and switch from 3.7 to 6 to 7.4 volts just by changing which battery you use. Those eGo batteries don't last as long, don't hold a charge as long, put out lower voltage, and cost about 3-4 times as much-- more if you wanted to go variable voltage.

ACtually, I'd recommend something like the Joyetech eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner. They're pretty dirt cheap ($20-35 depending on what model and where you get them) and give you 3.3-4.8V capability in 650-1300mAh capacities. They don't h ...


Despite having started with an eGo, I wouldn't recommend anyone buying any of those with the proprietary batteries. Batteries are going to die eventually, or in the very least hold their charge for a shorter and shorter time. You don't want to have to purchase 2 $25 batteries to start (needing one to be ready when the other quits), when you can buy something that takes $7 batteries. IMO, there's no reason you should lock yourself into those batteries when there are much cheaper options available.
 
2013-01-24 01:58:10 PM

DeathCipris: What the fark? Laser therapy? How in the hell does that work?


Like acupuncture... they beam a laser inside the ear (not the canal, just somewhere inside the ear).
 
2013-01-24 01:58:59 PM

Psychopusher: Wise_Guy: I want your skull: MBZ321: I really got to try e-cigs seriously. I bought a cheap-o one years ago, when they were still pretty much a novelty, and it was okay, but didn't really taste like a cigarette.

I ordered another one (there was a penny special kit from "Victory" e-cigs). Turned out to be a POS and doesn't produce a lot of vapor. I lost it about a week after I had it anyway. Damn company keeps trying to auto-bill me for refills even though there was not supposed to be a reoccuring chagre. Luckily I used a VCC.

Now leaning towards the BullSmoke brand when I do order another e-cig. Anyone try this one?

The problem is, Googling e-cig reviews brings up a bunch of fake-review sites, or the e-cigs that are supposedly rated as good, look NOTHING like a real cigarette (seriously, black with a green LED on the end?)

The cigarette shaped ones don't work well. Look for a Joyetech eGo battery and a clearomizer like a Kanger T2 or T3. E-Cigarette Forum has a lot of good information and helpful people.

Also, I would recommend dropping the quest to find something that tastes like a cigarette. There is just nothing out there that replicates the flavor of burning tobacco. Find something else you enjoy the flavor of. I wasn't able to quit smoking until I quit looking for a decent cigarette flavored juice.

I mentioned it in an earlier post but IMO it's better in the long run to get something like the maxi roughstack V2, because it gives you the ability to use much cheaper batteries, and switch from 3.7 to 6 to 7.4 volts just by changing which battery you use. Those eGo batteries don't last as long, don't hold a charge as long, put out lower voltage, and cost about 3-4 times as much-- more if you wanted to go variable voltage.

ACtually, I'd recommend something like the Joyetech eGo-C Twist or Vision Spinner. They're pretty dirt cheap ($20-35 depending on what model and where you get them) and give you 3.3-4.8V capability in 650-1300mAh capacities. They don't h ...


I agree with this. An eGo with a Kanger clearo is definitely a better setup for a beginner. I've been vaping for a while and I'm still using this setup. It's portable, easy to use, and if I carry two batteries with me, it lasts all day.

Also, just curious, what vender do you guys use for juices? Or do you DIY? I pretty much get all of mine from Mt. Baker Vapor.
 
2013-01-24 02:02:45 PM

imfallen_angel: DeathCipris: What the fark? Laser therapy? How in the hell does that work?

Like acupuncture... they beam a laser inside the ear (not the canal, just somewhere inside the ear).


Wow, she must have been desperate to quit because that sounds hokey as horoscopes. I know the desperation in wanting to quit nicotine too. I can think of several people who quit smoking with the e-cigs. Conversely, I also know several people that used e-cigs for 2 weeks and went right back on the cancer stick. Like a previous poster said, there has to be a drive to quit. Without a desire to quit, e-cigs do nothing but prolong the addiction. But if someone wants to quit, they are a fantastic tool to quit smoking.
 
2013-01-24 02:12:33 PM

DeathCipris: imfallen_angel: DeathCipris: What the fark? Laser therapy? How in the hell does that work?

Like acupuncture... they beam a laser inside the ear (not the canal, just somewhere inside the ear).

Wow, she must have been desperate to quit because that sounds hokey as horoscopes. I know the desperation in wanting to quit nicotine too. I can think of several people who quit smoking with the e-cigs. Conversely, I also know several people that used e-cigs for 2 weeks and went right back on the cancer stick. Like a previous poster said, there has to be a drive to quit. Without a desire to quit, e-cigs do nothing but prolong the addiction. But if someone wants to quit, they are a fantastic tool to quit smoking.


Oh she was... she kept trying for over five years.

We seriously tried every thing that's out there... never lasted more than a few days.. her record had been about a month... but even if the claims are that the supposed nicotine withdrawals period is a week or two... her's never went away.

The last thing was hypnosis...
 
2013-01-24 02:19:22 PM

Wise_Guy: Despite having started with an eGo, I wouldn't recommend anyone buying any of those with the proprietary batteries. Batteries are going to die eventually, or in the very least hold their charge for a shorter and shorter time. You don't want to have to purchase 2 $25 batteries to start (needing one to be ready when the other quits), when you can buy something that takes $7 batteries. IMO, there's no reason you should lock yourself into those batteries when there are much cheaper options available.


True, but there are a couple of advantages to eGo-style VVs. First is their portability. They're easier to tote around, and they do offer a greater degree of voltage selection than simply swapping out batteries. For many, a smaller device is what they feel like they need to start out with. As much as we'd like to push a larger, more reliable, longer-lasting mod on them, many are intimidated by large mods or feel like they'd look/feel ridiculous using them. Many think even eGos are too much and want a slim -- though eventually even they usually end up conceding that maybe an eGo wouldn't be so bad after all. It may cost them more initially to start out with what we might call inferior products, but many people need that time and experience to learn and to acclimate to this whole E-cig thing. And for my money, if they're willing to go a bit bigger than a cigarette-style (but aren't ready for a proper mod), you can't beat the Twist or Spinner for a great introduction not just to vaping, but to simple variable voltage.

I want your skull: I agree with this. An eGo with a Kanger clearo is definitely a better setup for a beginner. I've been vaping for a while and I'm still using this setup. It's portable, easy to use, and if I carry two batteries with me, it lasts all day.

Same here. I have a ton of devices, and usually carry two or three around on my daily commute, but one of them is always an eGo-type variable like the Twist or Spinner, and often as not it's what I choose to take out with me when I'm going for a quick grocery or beer run exactly because it's relatively small and light and easy to tote around.

I want your skull: Also, just curious, what vender do you guys use for juices? Or do you DIY? I pretty much get all of mine from Mt. Baker Vapor.

I DIY a lot of my stuff, but also buy from a number of vendors. Most of the ones I buy from are in Canada but I have a few favourite US vendors as well. Halo, Pink Spot, Fuzion Vapor, Backwoods Brew, Indigo Vapor, and and VapeRite to name a few.

 
2013-01-24 02:21:18 PM
...less-than-slash-i-greater-than...
 
2013-01-24 02:32:59 PM
heh..."vaping"
 
2013-01-24 02:38:17 PM

Madbassist1: heh..."vaping"


Cigarettes produce smoke. Ergo, smoking.

E-cigarettes produce vapor. Ergo, vaping.
 
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