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2013-01-24 03:56:10 AM  

JohnnyC: ng2810: Bullshiat.

Perhaps I should rephrase... E-cigs people I know (which I did say before too) have tried were shiat and they didn't stick with it more than a couple weeks. No need to get all upset about it.


PVPuffnStuff: For those that think e-cigs suck, you have tried the ones that suck. The "free kit" guys all suck, that's why they're free.


Exactly. I'm a non-smoker, my wife had been a 2+ pack/day smoker, she's been vaping 100% for over a year and a half now. But on top of finding a system that doesn't suck it may take some trial and error to find the kit that is right for you. Luckily it was something that we could geek out with together.

We started with the cartridges. For a heavy smoker, no one is going to put up with that hassle for long. I expect that most people give up at that point. Cartomizers were neat, but not much better. And now she's on a tank system that lasts her all day.

/eGo-C type B FTW
 
2013-01-24 03:58:32 AM  

SteakMan: /eGo-C type B FTW


Hell yeah!
 
2013-01-24 04:02:07 AM  

SteakMan: JohnnyC: ng2810: Bullshiat.

Perhaps I should rephrase... E-cigs people I know (which I did say before too) have tried were shiat and they didn't stick with it more than a couple weeks. No need to get all upset about it.

PVPuffnStuff: For those that think e-cigs suck, you have tried the ones that suck. The "free kit" guys all suck, that's why they're free.

Exactly. I'm a non-smoker, my wife had been a 2+ pack/day smoker, she's been vaping 100% for over a year and a half now. But on top of finding a system that doesn't suck it may take some trial and error to find the kit that is right for you. Luckily it was something that we could geek out with together.

We started with the cartridges. For a heavy smoker, no one is going to put up with that hassle for long. I expect that most people give up at that point. Cartomizers were neat, but not much better. And now she's on a tank system that lasts her all day.

/eGo-C type B FTW


I've been happy with the GreenSmartLiving cartridge system. I had to get a second unit so that one could be charging while I'm using the other. I use about a cartridge a day on weekdays, and two a day on weekends. I'm spending about half the amount as I did for real cigarettes (possibly more) and have been doing pretty damn good, though I still have a real cigarette once or twice a day. On the occasions I do smoke a real cig, I usually only smoke half of it. I suspect the longer I'm on the ecigarette system, the less of a real cigarette I will be able to smoke. That's a good thing.
 
2013-01-24 04:04:24 AM  

TommyymmoT: I'm not entirely sure that I want to take advice from someone who's idea of fine tobacco, is someone who thinks it should taste like blueberry muffins.

That's sort of like saying you found a single malt scotch, that tastes like lemonade.


Nah, it's like saying "I drink to get drunk, so give me some vodka and fruit juice"
 
2013-01-24 04:06:41 AM  

SteakMan: TommyymmoT: I'm not entirely sure that I want to take advice from someone who's idea of fine tobacco, is someone who thinks it should taste like blueberry muffins.

That's sort of like saying you found a single malt scotch, that tastes like lemonade.

Nah, it's like saying "I drink to get drunk, so give me some vodka and fruit juice"


Don't be such a girl. Vodka is best served as a martini. None of that pussy juice crap to get between you and the taste of your alcohol.
 
2013-01-24 04:10:22 AM  

OgreMagi: Why do you need to go outside? It's water vapor. I pulled my ecig out when a meeting ran past the 90 minute mark and didn't look like it was going to end anytime soon. The is no workplace policy about water vapor in my office and if someone made a big deal out of it, I would point out that people making coffee and tea put out far more water vapor than my ecig.


You are assuming that everyone around you enjoys the scent.
It's certainly more enjoyable than cigarettes, but still...
 
2013-01-24 04:14:21 AM  

OgreMagi: 180IQ: gh0strid3r: zerth: Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

[...]

Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.

You must be TERRIFIED of scented candles. All sorts of unknown chemicals released in to the air you breath in amounts far in excess of the nicotine content of e-cig vapor. Virtually no regulation. No studies showing how dangerous they truly are...

I don't know what you'd do if you spotted a Glade Plugin. Those things could pose a serious, yet completely unknown, risk to your health.

He's going to turn into a basket case if anyone ever tells him about car exhaust fumes.


You both missed my point. There are no ex-users of those other products that had to fight to break their addiction. I'm not talking about the toxicity, I'm talking about the exposure to a chemical someone may have struggled to give up, and now have to deal with on a whole new level because some douche nozzle on TV says it doesn't bother those around him.
 
2013-01-24 04:19:17 AM  

SteakMan: OgreMagi: Why do you need to go outside? It's water vapor. I pulled my ecig out when a meeting ran past the 90 minute mark and didn't look like it was going to end anytime soon. The is no workplace policy about water vapor in my office and if someone made a big deal out of it, I would point out that people making coffee and tea put out far more water vapor than my ecig.

You are assuming that everyone around you enjoys the scent.
It's certainly more enjoyable than cigarettes, but still...


I'm more concerned with that fat biatch who pours on too much perfume instead of taking a proper shower. Or the douche who thinks a LOT of Axe will get him the babes. The ecigs can be obtained scented and smell much like a scented candle. I don't particular care for scented candles, but I tolerated them when my girlfriend lit them (it usually meant sexy time, so I had ulterior motives).
 
2013-01-24 04:20:48 AM  

gh0strid3r: OgreMagi: 180IQ: gh0strid3r: zerth: Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

[...]

Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.

You must be TERRIFIED of scented candles. All sorts of unknown chemicals released in to the air you breath in amounts far in excess of the nicotine content of e-cig vapor. Virtually no regulation. No studies showing how dangerous they truly are...

I don't know what you'd do if you spotted a Glade Plugin. Those things could pose a serious, yet completely unknown, risk to your health.

He's going to turn into a basket case if anyone ever tells him about car exhaust fumes.

You both missed my point. There are no ex-users of those other products that had to fight to break their addiction. I'm not talking about the toxicity, I'm talking about the exposure to a chemical someone may have struggled to give up, and now have to deal with on a whole new level because some douche nozzle on TV says it doesn't bother those around him.


You are imagining things that aren't there. The dissipation of ecigarette fumes happens so fast that you would have to have your face right in it to get even a minimal amount of the vapors into your system.
 
2013-01-24 04:22:16 AM  

OgreMagi: The dissipation of ecigarette fumes happens so fast that you would have to have your face right in it to get even a minimal amount of the vapors into your system.


Compared to the vapors he's already getting, it would be insignificant.
 
2013-01-24 04:22:29 AM  

PVPuffnStuff: TommyymmoT, without turning this into an advertisement, there are a lot of options.

They do feel and taste different. Namely because it's hard to reproduce the flavor/feel/etc of burning paper and plant matter.

Best I can describe the flavors of the tobaccos are the way a fresh pack smells when you first open it up. That sweet tobacco flavor/smell is what the liquid tastes like. There are tons of options for flavors, and some come very close. It's not a 100% match, but it's enough.

I quit without trying to quit...after trying to quit dozens of times before.

Biggest difference past the flavor is the temperature of the vapor. It's cool compared to smoke, so it may feel harsh until you get used to it.

I can bore the pants off you if you want more info, just send me an email.


Thanks for the reply.
I'll email you in the next day or so.
 
2013-01-24 04:22:53 AM  

gh0strid3r: I'm talking about the exposure to a chemical someone may have struggled to give up


haha!

you're funny.
 
2013-01-24 04:27:02 AM  

Boojum2k: OgreMagi: The dissipation of ecigarette fumes happens so fast that you would have to have your face right in it to get even a minimal amount of the vapors into your system.

Compared to the vapors he's already getting, it would be insignificant.


That was my entire point. But it's nearly impossible to talk any sense to the radical anti-smokers. For example, I was standing by the curb in the financial district of San Francisco, at one of the busiest intersections in the city during rush hour having a cigarette when one of those radical anti-smokers started biatching at me about how I was ruining her health. All I could do was look at her and say, "you've got to be farking kidding me?"
 
2013-01-24 04:34:19 AM  
I have an E-cig, and would feel better if someone other than the manufacturer was doing quality checks. I don't particularly care who in principal.
 
2013-01-24 04:39:32 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I would never suggest anyone switch nicotine out for Ativan or Zanax. I do take Ativan myself sometimes, but it's not very often and only in extreme circumstances, but before the anxiety becomes so extreme I freak out over basically nothing. I have a huge issue with medical personnel because of a very bad car accident when I was 13, and I ended up in the hospital for nearly two months. Well, I just got out of the hospital again slightly more than 24 hours ago after spending a week in there. They kept me on Ativan the whole time I was there, simply because they could work with me and reason with me easier. I'm in my 40's now and that anxiety about hospitals and doctors and nurses is still so strong they sedate me if it's more than just a simple recheck. Now that I'm home again, in my own bed, cuddled with my own cat, I think I've only taken it twice (including about half an hour ago). So it's not that it's a long term cig substitute for me, it's just a necessary evil for me once in a while. I'm sure it would benefit others short term or occasionally as well. Ativan also makes me much more pleasant and laid back, so I'm sure my family wishes I was on it all the time! Not gonna happen though. I don't own any hippie type clothing, which I think is a requirement for long term, chronic users, which I obviously am not.


Goddess I think I love you and I want to know more about this Ativan. EIP.
 
2013-01-24 04:39:32 AM  

ceebeecates4: For anyone looking to quit, try Chantix.

It's expensive (esp if you have shiatty insurance) and it's dangerous (esp if you have mental issues).

It's also extremely effective.


I remember we spent at least one class period of abnormal psych. with my professor talking about how chantix works by blocking dopamine receptors, effectively inducing a state of clinical depression. Apparently the logic is that if you can't enjoy life then you won't enjoy smoking therefore it will be easier to quit. All the other side-effects aside (no pun intended) there's a serious suicide trend among people who take it.

I wouldn't call it "extremely effective" personally.
 
2013-01-24 04:41:12 AM  

OgreMagi: gh0strid3r: OgreMagi: 180IQ: gh0strid3r: zerth: Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

[...]

Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.

You must be TERRIFIED of scented candles. All sorts of unknown chemicals released in to the air you breath in amounts far in excess of the nicotine content of e-cig vapor. Virtually no regulation. No studies showing how dangerous they truly are...

I don't know what you'd do if you spotted a Glade Plugin. Those things could pose a serious, yet completely unknown, risk to your health.

He's going to turn into a basket case if anyone ever tells him about car exhaust fumes.

You both missed my point. There are no ex-users of those other products that had to fight to break their addiction. I'm not talking about the toxicity, I'm talking about the exposure to a chemical someone may have struggled to give up, and now have to deal with on a whole new level because some douche nozzle on TV says it doesn't bother those around him.

You are imagining things that aren't there. The dissipation of ecigarette fumes happens so fast that you would have to have your face right in it to get even a minimal amount of the vapors into your system.


Interesting that you know this when there have been no studies on the subject.
 
2013-01-24 04:46:41 AM  

Bonzo_1116: So what is the source material for the nicotine in the e-cig mixes?

If it's synthesized Ok, maybe it's not a tobacco product...but if it's a tobacco extract process to get the nicotine, then it's still a tobacco product.


Big thread and I dont feel like reading all of it- no offense meant to anybody, but i'll read it in full later as i have things to do- I want them to regulate this stuff. I do not trust anything foodwise coming out of China, and this is a consumable product- it works for me.
If they add melamine to baby formula, I cant trust them, unless its a friends family or something.
I turned away salesmen last week "smoking" the damn things in my store, and i was ready to bounce them after they said the source of the juice ( nicotine ) wasnt from at least this hemisphere. I let my boss do it after i told them i would buy 2 cases if is was made in America. He agreed. He is from India, originally.He threw them out.
 
2013-01-24 04:48:03 AM  
 
2013-01-24 04:49:33 AM  
I smoke, boss doesnt, if that matters, btw. And sometimes I smoke Canadians and UK also.
But we did invent the bloody things, and we tend to make the best. at delivering cancer. we're number one ?
 
2013-01-24 04:54:21 AM  

gh0strid3r: Interesting that you know this when there have been no studies on the subject.


Just because you don't know of any studies doesn't mean they don't exist.

I mean, you could have at least checked Wikipedia before you doubled-down on that (clearly false) claim.

It's like you're not even trying.

7/10 -- I took the bait.
 
2013-01-24 04:55:17 AM  

alienated: Bonzo_1116: So what is the source material for the nicotine in the e-cig mixes?

If it's synthesized Ok, maybe it's not a tobacco product...but if it's a tobacco extract process to get the nicotine, then it's still a tobacco product.

Big thread and I dont feel like reading all of it- no offense meant to anybody, but i'll read it in full later as i have things to do- I want them to regulate this stuff. I do not trust anything foodwise coming out of China, and this is a consumable product- it works for me.
If they add melamine to baby formula, I cant trust them, unless its a friends family or something.
I turned away salesmen last week "smoking" the damn things in my store, and i was ready to bounce them after they said the source of the juice ( nicotine ) wasnt from at least this hemisphere. I let my boss do it after i told them i would buy 2 cases if is was made in America. He agreed. He is from India, originally.He threw them out.


I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.
 
2013-01-24 04:56:51 AM  

180IQ: It's like you're not even trying.


I have him labeled as an anti vaxxer, so he probably isn't trying.
 
2013-01-24 05:01:28 AM  

log_jammin: 180IQ: It's like you're not even trying.

I have him labeled as an anti vaxxer, so he probably isn't trying.


Wow, you really haven't read all my comments.
 
2013-01-24 05:02:33 AM  

log_jammin: gh0strid3r: nteresting that you know this when there have been no studies on the subject.

"Few, if any, chemicals at levels detected in electronic cigarettes raise serious health concerns," the authors said. "Although the existing research does not warrant a conclusion that electronic cigarettes are safe in absolute terms and further clinical studies are needed to comprehensively assess the safety of electronic cigarettes, a preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products."


Inconclusive at best, and even if it's true, I'd still flatten your nose if you blow that crap in my face.
 
2013-01-24 05:03:05 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.


Thinking of that route for quitting ? Plus- I knew that I had you faved for lucky green.
 
2013-01-24 05:03:45 AM  
* for a reason. dammit. Sorry.
 
2013-01-24 05:06:29 AM  

gh0strid3r: Inconclusive at best, and even if it's true, I'd still flatten your nose if you blow that crap in my face.


It's one study that I took 5 minutes to find. You could probably find more if you actually wanted to know.

also...If you flattened my nose, you'd get arrested and I still be puffing on my e-cig.
 
2013-01-24 05:12:28 AM  

alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.

Thinking of that route for quitting ? Plus- I knew that I had you faved for lucky green.


I'm going to quit smoking again soon. I've done it many times but I think the patches and gum works best but keep some smokes handy for when you break and don't feel like you've lost the fight, just hang in there and try to only take a few puffs before you hate you're self and put it out. I'm just waiting for my new meds to kick in but I'm afraid citralopram isn't doing it for me.

/We'll see, who knows maybe I'll go back to prozac.
 
2013-01-24 05:28:33 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.

Thinking of that route for quitting ? Plus- I knew that I had you faved for lucky green.

I'm going to quit smoking again soon. I've done it many times but I think the patches and gum works best but keep some smokes handy for when you break and don't feel like you've lost the fight, just hang in there and try to only take a few puffs before you hate you're self and put it out. I'm just waiting for my new meds to kick in but I'm afraid citralopram isn't doing it for me.

/We'll see, who knows maybe I'll go back to prozac.


I will think double good thoughts, and email you my home number if you want to leave a long ragerant on a machine. i will send you an nda, meaning that unless you want it to- it will never be uploaded, anywhere.
 
2013-01-24 05:40:38 AM  

alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.

Thinking of that route for quitting ? Plus- I knew that I had you faved for lucky green.

I'm going to quit smoking again soon. I've done it many times but I think the patches and gum works best but keep some smokes handy for when you break and don't feel like you've lost the fight, just hang in there and try to only take a few puffs before you hate you're self and put it out. I'm just waiting for my new meds to kick in but I'm afraid citralopram isn't doing it for me.

/We'll see, who knows maybe I'll go back to prozac.

I will think double good thoughts, and email you my home number if you want to leave a long ragerant on a machine. i will send you an nda, meaning that unless you want it to- it will never be uploaded, anywhere.


Cool, you can EM me anytime just let me know who you are so I don't accidentally mark you as spam. And ragerant sounds fun and sorta what I've been feeling like but whats an NDA?

/Oh wait I think I got now never mind, and I would prefer any communication stay private that stay private.
//I mean I can distribute the naked pics of myself all on my own ; D
 
2013-01-24 05:45:11 AM  
harrydorcas: The American FDA should listen to Dr. Patrick Basham, founding director of the Democracy Institute and an adjunct scholar with Cato's Center for Representative Government.

Honestly, if you haven't figured out by now that the Cato institute is one big clusterfark of liars for money, then why stop there? Why not just take science advice from creationists and public health advice from christian scientists?
 
2013-01-24 05:55:29 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: alienated: tinfoil-hat maggie: I agree with you, it's something you're breathing into you're lungs you should know and trust what it is and well truthfully the e-cigs I've tried I cough worse than with my first cigarette.

Thinking of that route for quitting ? Plus- I knew that I had you faved for lucky green.

I'm going to quit smoking again soon. I've done it many times but I think the patches and gum works best but keep some smokes handy for when you break and don't feel like you've lost the fight, just hang in there and try to only take a few puffs before you hate you're self and put it out. I'm just waiting for my new meds to kick in but I'm afraid citralopram isn't doing it for me.

/We'll see, who knows maybe I'll go back to prozac.

I will think double good thoughts, and email you my home number if you want to leave a long ragerant on a machine. i will send you an nda, meaning that unless you want it to- it will never be uploaded, anywhere.

Cool, you can EM me anytime just let me know who you are so I don't accidentally mark you as spam. And ragerant sounds fun and sorta what I've been feeling like but whats an NDA?

/Oh wait I think I got now never mind, and I would prefer any communication stay private that stay private.
//I mean I can distribute the naked pics of myself all on my own ; D


non disclosure agreement. it means i wont post any idendtifyng vids or pics. Audio is another thing/.
I have honored that promise since 2000.
 
2013-01-24 06:05:08 AM  

alienated: non disclosure agreement. it means i wont post any idendtifyng vids or pics. Audio is another thing/.
I have honored that promise since 2000.


Yea, I'm slow but I figured it out but no sending out audio to the world just want work for me especially when I'm at my best drunk and distressed and needing a smoke. Oh my how would I ever be able to run for political office ?
: )
 
2013-01-24 06:11:28 AM  
I use a Prestige brand esmoke. It's great at work where you don't have to freeze your nads off smoking outside. There are thousands of flavors to choose from and nicotine strength levels. It's the perfect crime.
 
2013-01-24 06:18:49 AM  
You've gotta stop calling it "juice". That just sounds nasty.
 
2013-01-24 06:32:41 AM  
I love my e-cig! I've been using mine since last August. Firstly, as an aid to cut right down and secondly, some of the flavour liquids are simply too nice! Currently in love with 'T-Juice' and a flavour they call 'Cubana'.

My mother has COPD and at Christmas, when she had her C02 level checked, it was 24. I persuaded her to get an e-cig. The next time she had her C02 levels checked, they'd gone down to 11. The other week, she had them checked again it was down to 5.
She's now got 2 e-cigs and she uses them to help her cut right down. She's gone from nearly 40 cigs a day to 10 cigs a day.
She's tried Champix, gum, lozenges, nasal sprays, patches and those silly little inhalators that look like a tampax and each one has failed. She's even had hypnotherapy in the past which, with limited success, worked. She's also almost 74 years of age. Her doctor is pleased with her progress.
And what's a real surprise to me is that she LOVES the vanilla flavour cartridges! If it means she's around for a bit longer yet, then the e-cigs stay. I'd rather her buy a pack of cartridges that's the equivelent to a carton of cigs, than a carton of cigs. The price difference alone means she's saving upwards of £50 a week.

As for the vapour produced - it evaporates, so there's nothing shared 2nd hand.
 
2013-01-24 07:11:51 AM  
The best thing I can say about ecigs is it caused me to quit smoking during a time when I had absolutely no interest in quitting. My wife bought an eGo-T kit, and it came with two complete eCigs. I started using the other one, and almost instantly began using it exclusively. That was almost 3 years ago. I still use my eCig occasionally, but it was far easier to wean myself off of that because I could vape the same flavor liquid over time while lowering the nicotine content to 0. If you've tried ecigs before and didn't like it due to the way it tasted, or how weak it was compared to a cigarette or how it burned your throat, you should try a different type. My suggestion to someone staring out would be to get an ecig that is adaptable to different methods of vaping-- the eGo is started with used proprietary batteries (which were expensive to replace), and was apt to leak due to the design of the tank system it used. It also put out very low voltage compared to some others on the market, and therefore less vapor and muted flavors.

I'm not affiliated with any company that sells this stuff, so I'm not spamming here, just offering advice:

If I was going to start vaping today, knowing what I know now, I would go with something like this: Main unit. It's not that expensive, it's bulletproof, it allows you to use cheaper non-proprietary batteries, and also to change voltages based on the batteries you use.

You're also going to need a battery charger capable of charging the different batteries-- like this one: Charger.

The batteries you can use with this are the 18650 (1 battery for 3.7 volt vaping), two 16340 batteries for 6 volt, or two 18350's for 7.4 volt. You can buy them there as well. They are much cheaper and last longer than the proprietary batteries ($7 vs. $20 each). Buy only protected batteries, which have a protection circuit that will not allow the battery to fire if there is a short or something. It's not necessary, but it doesn't cost any extra and you don't want to risk even the slightest chance of a battery exploding while you hold it up to your face.

Next you will need either an atomizer, cartomizer or a tank system.

Atomizers are kind of a pain because you have to almost constantly drip the liquid directly onto the heating element. They do produce excellent vapor, so if you are unemployed and sit around the house all day and the constant dripping you need to do isn't a problem, this may be for you. They work probably the best in terms of vapor production, are moderately cheap and last a while. They are not recommended for driving around with.

Cartomizers and essentially atomizers with filler material inside that holds liquid, so you don't have to constantly drip more in there. IMO, they are the best choice. They don't leak, hold a lot of liquid, are cheaper than atomizers, can be refilled and will generally last a few weeks at a time.

Tanks are good, but they look kind of freaky. A tank is basically a cartomizer with a hole or two punched in it and the tank full of liquid slid down over it. As you use the liquid, it wicks itself into the inner material. They work about as well as a cartomizer, since that's basically what they are, and the benefit is holding a ton of liquid. The downside is they sometimes leak, which is a problem, they look strange, and they are tough to fill sometimes.

You will have to match the resistance of the above to whatever type of voltage you're using. For 3.7v, you can use from 1.7 to 3.2 ohms. At 6v, 3.2 to 4.5 ohms. At 7.4v, 4 to 5 ohms. IMO, you should stay away from dual coil, as all it seems to do is kill your batteries faster without and real benefit. At the low end of the range for each voltage (like at 1.7 for 3.7v) you get better vapor production, more heat and less flavor. This is where personal preference comes in. Also, some liquids taste or vape better at one voltage and not another. You'll have to find out what you like on your own.

You will also need to buy what's called a drip tip. They cost a couple of bucks and attach to the above to give you something to put your lips on. the 306 type is used for atomizers, the other type with the O-ring at the bottom is used on cartomizers and tanks. Get whichever kind you need, and pick a color. I would stay away from aluminum and stainless tips, as they are not comfortable to suck on. I like the plastic ones but they make rubber and acrylic tips as well.

Liquids come in 1000 flavors-- everything from different cigarette types to waffle with syrup flavored. Everyone when they first start out begins with the tobacco flavor, trying to match what they are currently smoking (eventually you realize that tobacco tastes like shiat and move on to other flavors). A 30ml bottle costs around $12-$15 and lasts around 3 weeks to a month and a half, depending on your usage. They are made from flavorings, nicotine, water and either PG or VG or a mix of both. Generally PG means more of a throat hit and less vapor, VG is the opposite. I like a 80% VG to 20% PG mix, but again it's all personal preference. Choose also your nicotine level-- start out at the highest level when you are switching from cigarettes. It's not like smoking a cigarette where you smoke one in five minutes then you're done for a while. You can just take a single drag now and again. Gradually lower the nicotine level in your liquid over time- you will hardly notice the switch.

TL;DR: ecigs are good.
 
2013-01-24 07:13:03 AM  

JohnnyC: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I have used one for four years now.

That's pretty impressive. Like I said above, not one person I know who tried those stuck with them. The biggest complaint I heard from them was that the battery life was crap and they would find themselves out of luck until they could find a place to recharge their e-cig.


I've used one for almost 4 years too. People who get Chinese made pen style first generation ecigs are disappointed with performance? I'm shocked! Anyone who invests in a high quality ecig and tasty juice can quit smoking.
 
2013-01-24 07:20:30 AM  

yukichigai: Gyrfalcon: Tobacco isn't regulated because it's tobacco, it's regulated because nicotine is on the pharmacological schedule. Being, you know, a drug.

Done in... uh... fark it I'm not going to count. First page anyway.

My only problem with this will be if it means smokers can't use e-Cigs on planes. Having dated a smoker, having friends who are smokers, I can tell you that anything that gives a smoker a much-needed hit of nicotine mid-flight is far preferable to spending 5 hours in a tiny metal box with a person slowly being driven insane by the receptors in their brain screaming for nicotine. Especially since most terminals don't let you smoke anywhere inside, so with recent security changes that winds up being a minimum of an hour without nicotine before they even board the plane.


Ahhh, poor people. How does anyone function being deprived of smoke for hours?
 
2013-01-24 07:29:00 AM  
I just need to know how I am supposed to use an E-cig as a timer when I stick it under the fuel line of a fast moving admiral yacht's so that I rig it to explode between two gunboats on an war-torn river in Mali. (This trick is known as a 'Panama')
 
2013-01-24 07:31:20 AM  
I was smoking 1.5 packs a day until March 5, 2012. That's the day I picked up an e-cig. I started with a decent, but not cheap kit(~$100).

Still smoke free, but now using a 6 volt device that, quite frankly, looks like a bong. I still use the original kit occassionally, as its just more discreet. Buy if I'm drinking - 6 volts all the way! Clouds of vapor and intense flavor.
 
2013-01-24 07:31:55 AM  

Craptastic: AverageAmericanGuy: formerly nicotine-stained fingers

Where have I heard that phrase before?


He's been successfully reprogrammed, sir. And mega dittoes to you as well.
 
2013-01-24 07:37:50 AM  
Yes, let's get together and ban the most effective device ever for getting people to quit smoking, which has no negative effect on those around the person using it.
 
2013-01-24 07:47:48 AM  

JohnnyC: The Goat Men Are Rampaging In The Fields: I have used one for four years now.

That's pretty impressive. Like I said above, not one person I know who tried those stuck with them. The biggest complaint I heard from them was that the battery life was crap and they would find themselves out of luck until they could find a place to recharge their e-cig.


I've been using an e-cig for over a year. I used to be a pack-a-day smoker, quit, restarted when my mother died, quit, restarted after I lost a baby, quit, relapsed after I had a baby in my forties and finally got him weaned. Then I got an e-cig. I love it. I've tried several varieties, and keep coming back to the dragonstixs. I plan to eventually wean myself off of it (the cartridges come in various strengths) but not just yet. Doesn't make me cough, doesn't have any odor, doesn't have second-hand smoke. To me, it's more like the gum, but with more satisfaction. The dudes I buy my supplies from are all former smokers, who have been using the e-cig for years now.
 
2013-01-24 07:56:46 AM  
One of the most addictive personalities I know quit using e-cigs. Mostly because they were cheaper. Good job pants-wettingly afraid morality squad.
 
2013-01-24 08:08:52 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: One of the most addictive personalities I know quit using e-cigs. Mostly because they were cheaper. Good job pants-wettingly afraid morality squad.


i always thought an addictive personality was someone you liked hanging around with. guess i was wrong
 
2013-01-24 08:12:34 AM  
Nicotine itself has been shown to have positive health effects for your brain, so essentially people are worrying about the other chemicals, which are no different than inhaling an odor. Are we going to regulate air freshener, perfume, and food odors now?
 
2013-01-24 08:22:32 AM  
so since crack makes u happy we shouldn't worry about Amy Winehouse smoking it up
 
2013-01-24 08:32:01 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: so since crack makes u happy we shouldn't worry about Amy Winehouse smoking it up


They probably have a crack flavor.
 
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