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2013-01-24 02:10:31 AM
Just cause I'm too tired to think up anything....

"If you're gonna have a pro-drug argument, start the argument where it starts: I have the right to do what ever the hell I want to my own body, if it kills me slowly, happy for me, fark you...." - Doug Stanhope
 
2013-01-24 02:10:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: Tobacco isn't regulated because it's tobacco, it's regulated because nicotine is on the pharmacological schedule. Being, you know, a drug.


^^ that.

/ although I suspect the Gubmint will also eventually get around to regulating Opiumpoopy's No Nicotine Inhalable Tar Sticks - made from REAL tar-sand!!
 
2013-01-24 02:11:08 AM

untaken_name: gh0strid3r: Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders

Are you insane? Or do you just not know what MSDS are?


Have you ever participated in writing an MSDS?


It's lulz-worthy.
 
2013-01-24 02:13:18 AM
Nicotine on it's own is as harmful as caffeine.

Vaping is definitely l ..

Oh fark who am I kidding? Everyone who is railing on people who vape to quit smoking is just a farking prick.

Screw you all, you farking pricks.
 
2013-01-24 02:15:18 AM

gh0strid3r: I support this. There may be no tobacco and no smoke, but there is nicotine. While we don't know the amount, that nicotine is present in the vapor that's produced. Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders. Former smokers have a real concern here, because nicotine is the chemical they struggled to break their addiction to. What kind of affect will this new exposure have on someone still struggling with the habit? Now, before we hear the arguments about nicotine being found in every day products such as tomatoes, remember that we don't know the nicotine levels of second-hand vapors from e-cigs and this is being inhaled, not ingested. The natural biological filters of the digestive system are being bypassed.


Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

/puffed once on a cigarette in uni, vomited, never tried again.
 
2013-01-24 02:15:25 AM

lewismarktwo: JohnnyC:

Oh... E-Cigs are shiat... everyone I know who's ever tried using them did so for about two weeks before giving up on them. They're a novelty at best.


Bullshiat.

My boyfriend sells e-cigs and he works from 12 pm to 9 pm every day. Both stores constantly sell out of merchandise and they recently had to hire several new full-time workers to keep up with demand.

E-cigs are NOT one size fits all. There are so many different brands with many different functions (not to mention the types of e-juice out there!) It took me a while of experimenting before I found an e-cig I liked and juice flavor that I enjoyed (blueberry muffin ftw!). The juice even comes in non-nicotine mixtures. Luckily at the bar where my bf works you can test out various e-cigs and mix flavors to suit your tastes before you invest in one.

/Non-smoker.
//Casual Vaper
 
2013-01-24 02:17:44 AM

Swoop1809: Can we just get nicotine laced lollipops? People still get their nicotine fix and they pacify the oral fixation. There, no more smoking.


They've been on the market for over a decade, only they're lozenges, which is just a lolipop without the stick.
 
2013-01-24 02:18:12 AM

Bonzo_1116: untaken_name: gh0strid3r: Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders

Are you insane? Or do you just not know what MSDS are?

Have you ever participated in writing an MSDS?


It's lulz-worthy.


The only thing MSDS tells you is EVERYTHING WILL KILL YOU IN ANY AMOUNT!!!

Look at the sheet for nicotine. You gotta be kidding me with the PPE.

Sigma-Aldring MSDS
 
2013-01-24 02:19:09 AM

zerth: gh0strid3r: I support this. There may be no tobacco and no smoke, but there is nicotine. While we don't know the amount, that nicotine is present in the vapor that's produced. Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders. Former smokers have a real concern here, because nicotine is the chemical they struggled to break their addiction to. What kind of affect will this new exposure have on someone still struggling with the habit? Now, before we hear the arguments about nicotine being found in every day products such as tomatoes, remember that we don't know the nicotine levels of second-hand vapors from e-cigs and this is being inhaled, not ingested. The natural biological filters of the digestive system are being bypassed.

Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

/puffed once on a cigarette in uni, vomited, never tried again.


Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.

/ Just stay downwind and we'll be cool.
 
2013-01-24 02:19:32 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: JohnnyC: That's cool. Glad to hear he kicked the habit. I hope he manages to stay smoke free. It's a tough thing to do.

He's bummed one, while we had quite a few folks over for drinks-and-bonfire night.   He could only make it through half, so that's something.


Once you've quit... a cigarette can be pretty potent. Doesn't seem like it when you're used to them. I managed to quit for about 8 months once before. I got extremely stressed out and started back up and that first cigarette seemed awful powerful.

odisae: Good luck. Here's my "Quit Smoking" story


Thanks and yeesh... yeah... cold turkey sucks. I've tried that before... didn't make it. So far I've cut my cigarette intake from about 20 cigs a day down to about 10. I'm planning on starting the patch tomorrow. I think I can do it. I think the hardest part will be the "normally right now I would have a smoke... so what do I do with myself" thing. We'll see though. I'm determined to quit though, so I think that helps.
 
2013-01-24 02:19:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This isn't news to anyone paying attention the last couple decades. The government wants to take away your freedoms.

It's all for your health and wellbeing, citizen.

/formerly nicotine-stained fingers


Wrong thought on this issue.The government wants to regulate it so they can TAX THE EVER LIVING SHIAT OUT OF IT to make up for declining revenue caused by former smokers like myself and AAG here. If anyone remotely thinks that the unbelievable taxing we've seen on cigs in the last decade was meant to stop anyone from smoking you're delusional. It was a convenient way to grab money from a segment of the population. When it had the effect of actually pricing many out of the habit our wonderful, caring government noticed it liked the money this brought in. But what to do now? Easy, find something else to demonize and tax the Shiat out of it. Then step 3: PROFIT

/Yeah, I know cigs are bad
//but that wasn't the government's primary motive, the health if it's citizens
///primary motive was revenue, that it could be attached to a cause was just a bonus
 
2013-01-24 02:21:41 AM

Atomic Spunk: I bet nicotine suppositories would work pretty well. Wouldn't do much to help your oral fixation though. Unless, of course, you like to...ummm...well...never mind.



Youd have to watch out through rectal administration, you often get much more intoxicated on substances "plugged" in your ass then you would if you had smoked them. Or at least the nicotine solution would have to be diluted to much smaller levels. Ive been told it has to do with bioavailability, though Im unclear of the process. I could see people getting sick as dogs. Id also be worried about getting it out of my ass quickly in case of higher dosage ingestion, excess nicotine dosing causes nausea and severe headaches.
 
2013-01-24 02:22:00 AM

ng2810: Bullshiat.


Perhaps I should rephrase... E-cigs people I know (which I did say before too) have tried were shiat and they didn't stick with it more than a couple weeks. No need to get all upset about it.
 
2013-01-24 02:22:21 AM
snus for the win.
 
2013-01-24 02:23:09 AM
When I have to go visit family overseas, I use those NicoDerm CQ patches. Unless they also work as shark reprellants and tiny flotation devices, they're fairly worthless. I say we just fill up bubble gum machines with Ativan or Zanax for those who want to quit smoking or vaping. Benzodiazepines are much more effective for controlling sudden bursts of nicotine-deprived rage anyway. YMMV, of course. If you're flying, you better order some of those tiny little bottles of booze to go with as soon as you're in the  air, just for the extra chillage factor.

/voice of experience
//still smokes, just not inside
 
2013-01-24 02:23:51 AM
My mom is on oxygen. She'll never quit smoking, but the e-cigs seem to be a reasonable substitute to prevent her from burning down the house...
 
2013-01-24 02:24:54 AM
I'm Steven Dork, and I've been a washed up douchebag B movie actor for 20 years... do what I do... smoke fake cigarettes. Looks how cool I look in black and white scratching my face walking down a beach BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY!
 
2013-01-24 02:29:12 AM

Gyrfalcon: Tobacco isn't regulated because it's tobacco, it's regulated because nicotine is on the pharmacological schedule. Being, you know, a drug.


Done in... uh... fark it I'm not going to count. First page anyway.

My only problem with this will be if it means smokers can't use e-Cigs on planes. Having dated a smoker, having friends who are smokers, I can tell you that anything that gives a smoker a much-needed hit of nicotine mid-flight is far preferable to spending 5 hours in a tiny metal box with a person slowly being driven insane by the receptors in their brain screaming for nicotine. Especially since most terminals don't let you smoke anywhere inside, so with recent security changes that winds up being a minimum of an hour without nicotine before they even board the plane.
 
2013-01-24 02:39:19 AM

yukichigai: Gyrfalcon: Tobacco isn't regulated because it's tobacco, it's regulated because nicotine is on the pharmacological schedule. Being, you know, a drug.

Done in... uh... fark it I'm not going to count. First page anyway.

My only problem with this will be if it means smokers can't use e-Cigs on planes. Having dated a smoker, having friends who are smokers, I can tell you that anything that gives a smoker a much-needed hit of nicotine mid-flight is far preferable to spending 5 hours in a tiny metal box with a person slowly being driven insane by the receptors in their brain screaming for nicotine. Especially since most terminals don't let you smoke anywhere inside, so with recent security changes that winds up being a minimum of an hour without nicotine before they even board the plane.


It's a good thing that ecigs are really small and don't set off smoke detectors. I had one that I could actually palm and use without people knowing (if they weren't paying attention). It will be funny if they start searching carry-ons and pockets for them.
 
2013-01-24 02:42:19 AM

ng2810: lewismarktwo: JohnnyC:

Oh... E-Cigs are shiat... everyone I know who's ever tried using them did so for about two weeks before giving up on them. They're a novelty at best.


Bullshiat.

My boyfriend sells e-cigs and he works from 12 pm to 9 pm every day. Both stores constantly sell out of merchandise and they recently had to hire several new full-time workers to keep up with demand.

E-cigs are NOT one size fits all. There are so many different brands with many different functions (not to mention the types of e-juice out there!) It took me a while of experimenting before I found an e-cig I liked and juice flavor that I enjoyed (blueberry muffin ftw!). The juice even comes in non-nicotine mixtures. Luckily at the bar where my bf works you can test out various e-cigs and mix flavors to suit your tastes before you invest in one.

/Non-smoker.
//Casual Vaper


That link seems pretty interesting, though pricey. $699.?
 I've tried an awful lot of e-cigs, and although every one of them claimed to be the best, most of them, if not all, were very disappointing.
I'm not entirely sure that I want to take advice from someone who's idea of fine tobacco, is someone who thinks it should taste like blueberry muffins.

That's sort of like saying you found a single malt scotch, that tastes like lemonade.
 
2013-01-24 02:44:22 AM

goatleggedfellow: Bonzo_1116: untaken_name: gh0strid3r: Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders

Are you insane? Or do you just not know what MSDS are?

Have you ever participated in writing an MSDS?


It's lulz-worthy.

The only thing MSDS tells you is EVERYTHING WILL KILL YOU IN ANY AMOUNT!!!

Look at the sheet for nicotine. You gotta be kidding me with the PPE.

Sigma-Aldring MSDS


Damn, my phone can't see the msds...but really, for the 99.9%+ shiat, yeah I'd work with it in the hood.

I had a job back in the day working with finely milled albuterol powder for inhalants... kicking the solid waste container and taking a deep breath would send your heart racing and skipping, and clear your sinuses at the same time.

Good times.
 
2013-01-24 02:47:07 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: When I have to go visit family overseas, I use those NicoDerm CQ patches. Unless they also work as shark reprellants and tiny flotation devices, they're fairly worthless. I say we just fill up bubble gum machines with Ativan or Zanax for those who want to quit smoking or vaping. Benzodiazepines are much more effective for controlling sudden bursts of nicotine-deprived rage anyway. YMMV, of course. If you're flying, you better order some of those tiny little bottles of booze to go with as soon as you're in the air, just for the extra chillage factor.

/voice of experience
//still smokes, just not inside


When I want to cut back I use patches. I start getting tired when I get up to 2 packs a day, and the patches make me smoke less. I use the Target ones, though, they are cheap and work fine. I want to give pharmaceutical companies the least amount of money I can.

/still smoke--everywhere
//I'll quit when I'm 80, like grandpa did.
///(Hes still going strong)
 
2013-01-24 02:48:40 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: When I have to go visit family overseas, I use those NicoDerm CQ patches. Unless they also work as shark reprellants and tiny flotation devices, they're fairly worthless. I say we just fill up bubble gum machines with Ativan or Zanax for those who want to quit smoking or vaping. Benzodiazepines are much more effective for controlling sudden bursts of nicotine-deprived rage anyway.


Making a leap from tobacco to benzos would be unwise. Although stuff like Xanax is considered less addictive than hard opiate pharms, it's still addictive and far more powerful than tobacco. A cigarette will provide juust enough relief to stop me from shaking my leg in anxiety for 30-45 minutes or so and exceeding the recommended dosage is unpleasant. A Xanax will make me feel all warm and fuzzy for several hours, and exceeding the recommended dosage will make me feel heavenly.

Also, benzos have a strong propensity for causing physical dependence. If you think your nic fits are bad, watch someone trying to kick a Xanax habit cold turkey. It isnt even medically recommended to do so; long time Xanax users can have seizures if they try to quit without tapering their doses over several weeks/months. Stuff is pretty powerful. Ive accidentally blacked out just by taking a 2nd standard dose before an anxiety-inducing situation, full on booze style blackout where I woke up wondering where the hell I was and how I got home.

The first couple weeks of kicking tobacco are tough, but once you quit youll wonder how the hell you smoked so long. Taper off at least a week or two in advance to make it more bearable. You get your breath back, you dont smell like shiat, your breath and teeth dont suffer, you get healthy. I havent bought a pack in close to 3 years, and breaking that addiction made me stronger as a person.

/If I can quit anyone can quit
//Meth was easier to quit than tobacco for me back in the day...
 
2013-01-24 02:48:49 AM

JohnnyC: Oh... E-Cigs are shiat... everyone I know who's ever tried using them did so for about two weeks before giving up on them. They're a novelty at best.


I figured the same, but then again out of the dozen-ish people I know to try them, two have been using them regularly for over a year and love them. Bar? Camping? They have their e-cigs (and a backup battery or two) and seem just as happy as they were with cigs

/I tried them for about 2 weeks then gave them up and just quit cold turkey
//over 6mos and going strong (with the exception of one drunken slip-up the night before Thanksgiving)
 
2013-01-24 02:53:22 AM
This article is almost a year old, but this was the answer we wanted from the FDA.

There were 2 choices, either regulated as a tobacco product, or as a drug delivery device.

For those that think e-cigs suck, you have tried the ones that suck. The "free kit" guys all suck, that's why they're free.

I'd give you the link to my site, but that would be all spammy.

Suppose you could search for Valley Vapor if you really wanted to try them. We give away free ones to newbies, and sell the best ones available on the market.
 
2013-01-24 02:56:08 AM

log_jammin: snus for the win.


I quit by using the Swedish snus, which is some mighty strong stuff. Then I started using the Camel snus because it has a lower nicotine content, and doesn't taste like ass like the Swedish stuff does.

/had a bad night at work and started smoking again, so I have to start over.
 
2013-01-24 02:58:18 AM

Bonzo_1116: goatleggedfellow: Bonzo_1116: untaken_name: gh0strid3r: Nobody knows what kind of affect that may have on bystanders

Are you insane? Or do you just not know what MSDS are?

Have you ever participated in writing an MSDS?


It's lulz-worthy.

The only thing MSDS tells you is EVERYTHING WILL KILL YOU IN ANY AMOUNT!!!

Look at the sheet for nicotine. You gotta be kidding me with the PPE.

Sigma-Aldring MSDS

Damn, my phone can't see the msds...but really, for the 99.9%+ shiat, yeah I'd work with it in the hood.

I had a job back in the day working with finely milled albuterol powder for inhalants... kicking the solid waste container and taking a deep breath would send your heart racing and skipping, and clear your sinuses at the same time.

Good times.


Oh, yeah!

I'm generally med chem, so the hood is assumed.

Med Chem Motto: Cure Cancer before you Get Cancer.
 
2013-01-24 02:59:29 AM
I quit smoking using nicotine lozenges, now I'm addicted to nicotine lozenges. Tried the e-cigs liked them quite a bit, but they still made my lungs hurt. Tried the patches, gave me a rash. Tried the gum, it gave me hiccups. Tried the perscription nasal spray, thought I was going to die. Tried the perscription nicotine inhalers, they worked for awhile, but it looks like your smoking a kotex.
 
2013-01-24 03:01:21 AM

Gadflypaper: log_jammin: snus for the win.

I quit by using the Swedish snus, which is some mighty strong stuff. Then I started using the Camel snus because it has a lower nicotine content, and doesn't taste like ass like the Swedish stuff does.

/had a bad night at work and started smoking again, so I have to start over.


I went with the extra strong swedish stuff (extra sterk!) then went to the normal strength, then the "minis", then the patch. Took me a year all together but it let me break a nearly 20 habit much much easier than cold turkey. that was two years ago.


american snus is shiat and isn't even close to the real thing.
 
2013-01-24 03:02:10 AM
After further reading and research, I have to reverse my statement about supporting this. It's being done the wrong way for the wrong reasons. They're only concerned with distribution and taxation, not limits on use.

While I don't want to be exposed to the nicotine-laced vapor because there are too many unknowns, I totally support this product as a healthier alternative to cigarettes. We shouldn't discourage smokers from switching to them, we should be encouraging them. But at the same time, they should be aware of how they 'might' be affecting others around them.
 
2013-01-24 03:02:25 AM

PVPuffnStuff: This article is almost a year old, but this was the answer we wanted from the FDA.

There were 2 choices, either regulated as a tobacco product, or as a drug delivery device.

For those that think e-cigs suck, you have tried the ones that suck. The "free kit" guys all suck, that's why they're free.

I'd give you the link to my site, but that would be all spammy.

Suppose you could search for Valley Vapor if you really wanted to try them. We give away free ones to newbies, and sell the best ones available on the market.


Yeah, I looked. Now, without lying to me, which is the closest to just smoking an actual Marlboro, and how close is it?
I don't have an oral fixation, I have a nicotine addiction.
 A rubber dick would be a whole lot cheaper.
 
2013-01-24 03:25:59 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So you have to be 18 to buy it and the cost to society will be paid via taxes on the sale? I'm not offended by this.


And, no doubt, tax the shiat out of it so the most effective means of quitting smoking is as expensive, if not more, than regular cigarettes. Sounds about what I expect from the government.

I've been on ecigarettes for about four months. I went from a pack a day of real cigarettes to about a pack a week.
 
2013-01-24 03:27:27 AM

salsashark1: Tobacco is nicotin. Dumass.


There is no such thing as "nicotin". Neither is there such thing as a "dumass".
Learn to spell. It's nicotine. Dumbass.

Tell me, have you ever held a sign at a republican rally wearing a flag bandanna?
dailypicksandflicks.com
 
2013-01-24 03:29:02 AM

JohnnyC: I decided today that I'm going to get the patch and try to quit smoking. I'm just tired of being addicted to them. Walgreens sells a "Walgreen" brand version for pretty cheap. Here's to quitting the habit.

Oh... E-Cigs are shiat... everyone I know who's ever tried using them did so for about two weeks before giving up on them. They're a novelty at best.


I'm having great luck with the ecigarette. It gives me my nicotine fix and deals with the need to "smoke" without the actual smoke. The trick is to not be in any hurry to wean yourself off of the ecig. If it takes a year, so what? You've already eliminated most of the negative health aspects of smoking. The patch, on the other hand, made me nauseous and didn't deal with the "ritual" part of smoking which is such a built in habit that it alone can break you when you try to quit.
 
2013-01-24 03:30:29 AM

D_Evans45: Real Women Drink Akvavit: When I have to go visit family overseas, I use those NicoDerm CQ patches. Unless they also work as shark reprellants and tiny flotation devices, they're fairly worthless. I say we just fill up bubble gum machines with Ativan or Zanax for those who want to quit smoking or vaping. Benzodiazepines are much more effective for controlling sudden bursts of nicotine-deprived rage anyway.

Making a leap from tobacco to benzos would be unwise. Although stuff like Xanax is considered less addictive than hard opiate pharms, it's still addictive and far more powerful than tobacco. A cigarette will provide juust enough relief to stop me from shaking my leg in anxiety for 30-45 minutes or so and exceeding the recommended dosage is unpleasant. A Xanax will make me feel all warm and fuzzy for several hours, and exceeding the recommended dosage will make me feel heavenly.

Also, benzos have a strong propensity for causing physical dependence. If you think your nic fits are bad, watch someone trying to kick a Xanax habit cold turkey. It isnt even medically recommended to do so; long time Xanax users can have seizures if they try to quit without tapering their doses over several weeks/months. Stuff is pretty powerful. Ive accidentally blacked out just by taking a 2nd standard dose before an anxiety-inducing situation, full on booze style blackout where I woke up wondering where the hell I was and how I got home.

The first couple weeks of kicking tobacco are tough, but once you quit youll wonder how the hell you smoked so long. Taper off at least a week or two in advance to make it more bearable. You get your breath back, you dont smell like shiat, your breath and teeth dont suffer, you get healthy. I havent bought a pack in close to 3 years, and breaking that addiction made me stronger as a person.

/If I can quit anyone can quit
//Meth was easier to quit than tobacco for me back in the day...


I would never suggest anyone switch nicotine out for Ativan or Zanax. I do take Ativan myself sometimes, but it's not very often and only in extreme circumstances, but before the anxiety becomes so extreme I freak out over basically nothing. I have a huge issue with medical personnel  because of a very bad car accident when I was 13, and I ended up in  the hospital for nearly two months. Well, I just got out of the hospital again slightly more than 24 hours ago after spending a week in there. They kept me on Ativan the whole time I was there, simply because they could work with me and reason with me easier. I'm in my 40's now and that anxiety about hospitals and doctors and nurses is still so strong they sedate me if it's more than just a simple recheck. Now that I'm home again, in my own bed, cuddled with my own cat, I think I've only taken it twice (including about half an hour ago). So it's not that it's a long term cig substitute for me, it's just a necessary evil for me once in a while. I'm sure it would benefit others short term or occasionally as well. Ativan also makes me much more pleasant and laid back, so I'm sure my family wishes I was on it all the  time! Not gonna happen though. I don't own any hippie type clothing, which I think is a requirement for long term,  chronic users, which I obviously am not.
 
2013-01-24 03:33:23 AM

PVPuffnStuff: There were 2 choices, either regulated as a tobacco product, or as a drug delivery device.


There's a third option. The government doesn't need to regulate every damn thing under the sun.
 
2013-01-24 03:34:32 AM
Puffing on Juicy Fruit flavored vapor right now, so Im getting a. . . ah hell, you know.

Been off cigarettes for three months now. Still have to go outside at work to puff, but it means I still get to take "smoke breaks" so I'm cool with it.

/work harder than any of the non-smokers ever did
 
2013-01-24 03:35:52 AM

OgreMagi: PVPuffnStuff: There were 2 choices, either regulated as a tobacco product, or as a drug delivery device.

There's a third option. The government doesn't need to regulate every damn thing under the sun.


But that's the only way to a perfect society! Government should fit closer than your underwear.
 
2013-01-24 03:39:00 AM
What does this mean, regulated like tobacco (aside form taxes)? I thought cigarettes could contain pretty much any shiat possible as they as they paid whatever state for that little stamp.
 
2013-01-24 03:40:39 AM
I enjoy being the bane of cig smokers everywhere while I smoke my one fancy cigar a month.
 
2013-01-24 03:42:26 AM

Boojum2k: Puffing on Juicy Fruit flavored vapor right now, so Im getting a. . . ah hell, you know.

Been off cigarettes for three months now. Still have to go outside at work to puff, but it means I still get to take "smoke breaks" so I'm cool with it.

/work harder than any of the non-smokers ever did


Why do you need to go outside? It's water vapor. I pulled my ecig out when a meeting ran past the 90 minute mark and didn't look like it was going to end anytime soon. The is no workplace policy about water vapor in my office and if someone made a big deal out of it, I would point out that people making coffee and tea put out far more water vapor than my ecig.
 
2013-01-24 03:42:58 AM

ceebeecates4: For anyone looking to quit, try Chantix.

It's expensive (esp if you have shiatty insurance) and it's dangerous (esp if you have mental issues).

It's also extremely effective.


Doesn't that basically kill joy in your life?
 
2013-01-24 03:45:56 AM
TommyymmoT, without turning this into an advertisement, there are a lot of options.

They do feel and taste different. Namely because it's hard to reproduce the flavor/feel/etc of burning paper and plant matter.

Best I can describe the flavors of the tobaccos are the way a fresh pack smells when you first open it up. That sweet tobacco flavor/smell is what the liquid tastes like. There are tons of options for flavors, and some come very close. It's not a 100% match, but it's enough.

I quit without trying to quit...after trying to quit dozens of times before.

Biggest difference past the flavor is the temperature of the vapor. It's cool compared to smoke, so it may feel harsh until you get used to it.

I can bore the pants off you if you want more info, just send me an email.
 
2013-01-24 03:46:33 AM

ceebeecates4: For anyone looking to quit, try Chantix.

It's expensive (esp if you have shiatty insurance) and it's dangerous (esp if you have mental issues).

It's also extremely effective.


Yeah, because smoking is bad for you and second hand smoke is bad for everyone else (never mind we lied about how harmful it actually is), don't smoke. Here, take this pill that might make you go off the deep end and kill your coworkers and yourself. It's for the greater good.
 
2013-01-24 03:46:43 AM

gh0strid3r: zerth: Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

[...]

Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.


You must be TERRIFIED of scented candles. All sorts of unknown chemicals released in to the air you breath in amounts far in excess of the nicotine content of e-cig vapor. Virtually no regulation. No studies showing how dangerous they truly are...

I don't know what you'd do if you spotted a Glade Plugin. Those things could pose a serious, yet completely unknown, risk to your health.
 
2013-01-24 03:49:01 AM

180IQ: gh0strid3r: zerth: Gas chromotography of exhaled vapor is unable to detect the presence of nicotine, although mass spectrometry can(in the parts per billion range).

You'd get more nicotine if you licked the roof of a smoker's mouth(approx 2% of nicotine vapor gets absorbed by saliva).

[...]

Yet the effects are still unknown.

Studies done: 0

I don't care what people do to their own bodies. That's their business and I don't think anyone, including the government, should have any say about it. But when you start affecting others against their will, that's where I have a problem.

You must be TERRIFIED of scented candles. All sorts of unknown chemicals released in to the air you breath in amounts far in excess of the nicotine content of e-cig vapor. Virtually no regulation. No studies showing how dangerous they truly are...

I don't know what you'd do if you spotted a Glade Plugin. Those things could pose a serious, yet completely unknown, risk to your health.


He's going to turn into a basket case if anyone ever tells him about car exhaust fumes.
 
2013-01-24 03:49:30 AM

OgreMagi: Why do you need to go outside?


Because my top boss has a fear that somebody will think I'm getting away with smoking at my desk. He's a little special at times, but I do like being able to walk away for a bit and think. Usually takes me half the time in coming up with solutions then sitting staring at the screen.

/loved the look on his face back when I did smoke, and something was frustrating the fark out of me. I'd tell him "I'm going outside to set something on fire"
 
2013-01-24 03:51:04 AM

Boojum2k: OgreMagi: Why do you need to go outside?

Because my top boss has a fear that somebody will think I'm getting away with smoking at my desk. He's a little special at times, but I do like being able to walk away for a bit and think. Usually takes me half the time in coming up with solutions then sitting staring at the screen.

/loved the look on his face back when I did smoke, and something was frustrating the fark out of me. I'd tell him "I'm going outside to set something on fire"


Fortunately, my boss isn't an idiot.
 
2013-01-24 03:52:27 AM
I switched from cope and skoal to general snus from Sweden. Nicotine exposure went from 1gram / day to 200 mg. Nitrosamine exposure down from .578 mg to .0136 mg and a small fraction of the lead and other harmful ingredients. Cost savings is about $450 a month!!

Slowly weaning off the snus... But not nearly as concerned
 
2013-01-24 03:55:01 AM

OgreMagi: Fortunately, my boss isn't an idiot.


Mine has an MBA, not Ivy League but a respected university which I will not name. He is far more educated than I am. I had to explain the Law of Diminishing Returns during one meeting.

/He does surprise me occasionally.
//Usually by annoucing a decision I had suggested a year ago, that he suddenly thought of
 
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