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2013-01-23 08:14:39 PM
Me walking out of Dreamcatcher: They changed the ending
My now-ex: What do you mean?
Me: In the book Duddits wasn't a farking alien, he was just a psychic retard!

Come to think of it, next time I need a new login Just a Psychic Retard might work.
 
2013-01-23 08:36:01 PM
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2013-01-23 08:41:31 PM
I don't get it. I thought Ullman was going to be another ghost or something. Seems rather pointless. What's the significance of the yellow ball?
 
2013-01-23 08:50:38 PM
This happened with American Psycho too.  I was like, "oh great, so he didn't drop the chainsaw on that chick then?  That was a great shot!  What was the point of this bullshiat exactly?"
 
2013-01-23 08:54:39 PM

Mugato: I don't get it. I thought Ullman was going to be another ghost or something. Seems rather pointless. What's the significance of the yellow ball?


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I have a ball. Perhaps you'd like to bounce it?
 
2013-01-23 09:25:33 PM
Old news is old.
 
2013-01-23 09:32:52 PM
Couldn't be weirder than the shining ending of "Lost".
 
2013-01-23 09:34:15 PM

SnakeLee: This happened with American Psycho too.  I was like, "oh great, so he didn't drop the chainsaw on that chick then?  That was a great shot!  What was the point of this bullshiat exactly?"


There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.
 
2013-01-23 09:38:10 PM
Huh. I actually didn't know that. Interesting.
 
2013-01-23 09:46:03 PM
The "original" ending is in the BOOK.

/Or more likely, King's head. Movies are not the endgame of literature is my point.
 
2013-01-23 09:46:32 PM
I forgot about the yellow ball. So that's kinda interesting.

God knows it wasn't gonna be an exploding boiler.
 
2013-01-23 09:49:19 PM

RoxtarRyan: There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.


My theory is that even though he did start to go batshiat nuts at the end, he got away with everything because all those yuppies were so nondescript and interchangeable that no one noticed when any of them disappeared or they thought they saw them somewhere even though they were dead. So nothing Bateman did really mattered. Then Mila Kunis killed him in the sequel.
 
2013-01-23 09:50:47 PM
If he'd faded into that last text with Journey's Don't Stop Believin' as background music he might have had something.
 
2013-01-23 09:59:20 PM
This is an interesting tidbit, I guess. I never really walked away from a viewing of The Shining with a sense that there wasn't enough 'splaining involved.
 
2013-01-23 10:05:43 PM
This guy does an amazing job dissecting Kubric's work and I suggest it to anyone who wants to peer deeper in what he planned.
Rob Ager
Link
 
2013-01-23 10:05:52 PM

Shadowtag: The "original" ending is in the BOOK.

/Or more likely, King's head. Movies are not the endgame of literature is my point.


Book made into movie is not necessarily movie of book.
 
2013-01-23 10:21:05 PM

Mugato: RoxtarRyan: There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.

My theory is that even though he did start to go batshiat nuts at the end, he got away with everything because all those yuppies were so nondescript and interchangeable that no one noticed when any of them disappeared or they thought they saw them somewhere even though they were dead. So nothing Bateman did really mattered. Then Mila Kunis killed him in the sequel.


I just read the book a couple of weeks ago.

My take is that it's all in his head. Patrick Bateman is totally nuts. There are parts in the book where he is obviously having delusional episodes, like when he says that he watched a talk show host interview a Cheerio.

It's a good book, you should read it. It's funny, and there's nothing else like it. Can't say that it has ANY re-read value, though.
 
2013-01-23 10:23:59 PM
I really like the ending in the book,how Jack dies in the book was far more farked up than the movie.
/Plus Dick lives.
 
2013-01-23 10:26:10 PM

karmaceutical: This is an interesting tidbit, I guess. I never really walked away from a viewing of The Shining with a sense that there wasn't enough 'splaining involved.


did you think that he was reincarnated? or did you understand what that picture at the end really meant?
 
2013-01-23 10:27:12 PM
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2013-01-23 10:33:25 PM
So Kubrick snuck in references to filming the fake NASA moon landing in The Shining? Old news is old.
 
2013-01-23 10:38:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: This is an interesting tidbit, I guess. I never really walked away from a viewing of The Shining with a sense that there wasn't enough 'splaining involved.

did you think that he was reincarnated? or did you understand what that picture at the end really meant?


I know what the book says, but the movie is a separate deal.

You have to keep in mind that Kubrick was not big on pat endings. He liked stories with ambiguity. Ambiguity is the POINT of most of his movies. Which is why he balanced the ambiguity with ultra-precise cinematic details and compositions. He liked to create perfectly-ordered, beautiful worlds to contrast against the chaos of human life.
 
2013-01-23 10:43:24 PM
Who cares about the ending.  MOTHERfarkING ANIMAL SHRUBS WON'T LET ME SLEEP
 
2013-01-24 12:06:26 AM

Nem Wan: Shadowtag: The "original" ending is in the BOOK.

/Or more likely, King's head. Movies are not the endgame of literature is my point.

Book made into movie is not necessarily movie of book.


I've been saying this forever. Apples/Oranges. Cats/Dogs. Left/Right. Night/Day.

Book/Movie. Separate the two, folks.
 
2013-01-24 12:07:29 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: This is an interesting tidbit, I guess. I never really walked away from a viewing of The Shining with a sense that there wasn't enough 'splaining involved.

did you think that he was reincarnated? or did you understand what that picture at the end really meant?


I thought it meant that he became part of the hotel's weirdness.

What did you think it meant?
 
2013-01-24 12:08:26 AM

realmolo: Mugato: RoxtarRyan: There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.

My theory is that even though he did start to go batshiat nuts at the end, he got away with everything because all those yuppies were so nondescript and interchangeable that no one noticed when any of them disappeared or they thought they saw them somewhere even though they were dead. So nothing Bateman did really mattered. Then Mila Kunis killed him in the sequel.

I just read the book a couple of weeks ago.

My take is that it's all in his head. Patrick Bateman is totally nuts. There are parts in the book where he is obviously having delusional episodes, like when he says that he watched a talk show host interview a Cheerio.

It's a good book, you should read it. It's funny, and there's nothing else like it. Can't say that it has ANY re-read value, though.


I must be really farked up. I've re-read it several times.
 
2013-01-24 01:10:39 AM

ekdikeo4: What did you think it meant?


I didn't think it was him. I figured it was a guy from a long time ago who just happened to look just like him.
 
2013-01-24 01:11:47 AM

Mugato: RoxtarRyan: There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.

My theory is that even though he did start to go batshiat nuts at the end, he got away with everything because all those yuppies were so nondescript and interchangeable that no one noticed when any of them disappeared or they thought they saw them somewhere even though they were dead. So nothing Bateman did really mattered. Then Mila Kunis killed him in the sequel.


I think that fits with the weird, suspicious look the realtor gives him when he visits the cleaned apartment at the end. But I'm still sticking with my initial theory for the movie that Bateman is fantasizing it all.

The book? I think Bateman did at least most of the murders in the book. (Also, one of those rare movies that are better than the book. My god, that's a movie full of magnificent, plastic performances.)
 
2013-01-24 01:43:42 AM
Chapter 21, A Clockwork Orange
 
2013-01-24 08:33:07 AM
jimmiejaz

Chapter 21, A Clockwork Orange



And a Kubrick movie.....interesting.
 
2013-01-24 08:50:23 AM

Mugato: RoxtarRyan: There are a LOT of theories about this movie, actually, and a good basis for conversation with friends when drunk. I've heard everything from the movie being a satire of life of a rich businessman in the 80's (coke, killing people, and being psychotic) and your lawyer will cover it up for you so you can continue to live the comfy life, or he did all those things and no one noticed because no one cared (everyone too wrapped up in their own world of excess and selfishness), and it was simply about him simply being batshiat nuts.

My theory is that even though he did start to go batshiat nuts at the end, he got away with everything because all those yuppies were so nondescript and interchangeable that no one noticed when any of them disappeared or they thought they saw them somewhere even though they were dead. So nothing Bateman did really mattered. Then Mila Kunis killed him in the sequel.


That's my take too.
 
2013-01-24 09:20:30 AM

SevenizGud: I didn't think it was him. I figured it was a guy from a long time ago who just happened to look just like him.


I think that'd be sort of weak. I vote reincarnation. But no one's right and no one's wrong. Even if it's the director's opinion. Ridley Scott says Deckard' a replicant and I think that idea sucks for many reasons so I disagree.

JosephFinn: I think that fits with the weird, suspicious look the realtor gives him when he visits the cleaned apartment at the end. But I'm still sticking with my initial theory for the movie that Bateman is fantasizing it all.


That probably makes more sense, especially since he really does go batshiat insane at the end (tries to feed a cat to an ATM) but I still prefer the idea that he can't get caught because all those yuppies are interchangeable and no one misses them when they disappear.

As for the book, I read some about pretty gruesome shiat and I'm not really into that.
 
2013-01-24 09:51:43 AM
Hrm, I thought he got some chicken nuggets, fries, sweet 'n' sour sauce and Hi-C orange?
 
2013-01-24 10:01:07 AM

ekdikeo4: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: This is an interesting tidbit, I guess. I never really walked away from a viewing of The Shining with a sense that there wasn't enough 'splaining involved.

did you think that he was reincarnated? or did you understand what that picture at the end really meant?

I thought it meant that he became part of the hotel's weirdness.

What did you think it meant?


I never thought reincarnation. I thought, like you he became part of the hotel. Just another addition to a schizoid "mind." He was "always" the caretaker in the sense of Stalinist propaganda would assert some new thing had always been so, except real. The hotel could say that all the caretakers had always been the caretaker with them still being discrete people.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:39 AM
Rules of engagement was better

The movie not the TV show,

"Oops, rusty pipes". As whatshername gets a bloody nose from the coke,

And vanderbeek is bate mans younger brother,

/themoreuknow.jpeg
 
2013-01-24 10:44:31 AM

ekdikeo4: did you think that he was reincarnated? or did you understand what that picture at the end really meant?

I thought it meant that he became part of the hotel's weirdness.


It's more or less the same as Grady appearing, or the bartender, or the guy in the dog suit. The evil of the hotel absorbs its victims into this one event (the party), and that event started to invade the present (those characters appearing and interacting with the Torrence family). Victims are absorbed back into that event, which is why Jack was in the picture of the party. The book is much less vague about it being partly an instance of time literally condensing and the two time periods coexisting.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:54 AM
To clarify a little, in the book Jack was literally AT THAT PARTY, that's where he got drunk. But the party both existed in that time period and sort of out of time as well.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:45 AM
I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...
 
2013-01-24 10:57:10 AM

ekdikeo4: What did you think it meant?


While cleaning his jacket in the bathroom, Grady tells Jack, "You've always been the caretaker". This has significance. Not sure what though.
 
2013-01-24 11:10:34 AM

devilEther: ekdikeo4: What did you think it meant?

While cleaning his jacket in the bathroom, Grady tells Jack, "You've always been the caretaker". This has significance. Not sure what though.


That is the evil of the hotel speaking.
 
2013-01-24 01:53:12 PM

JosephFinn: I think that fits with the weird, suspicious look the realtor gives him when he visits the cleaned apartment at the end. But I'm still sticking with my initial theory for the movie that Bateman is fantasizing it all.


i thought the movie made it clear that he fantasized it all. he even alluded to it in the ending narration.

The book? I think Bateman did at least most of the murders in the book.

the book left it vague, which i liked. cases of mistaken identity is a constant theme in the book (everyone buys the same designer brands and the same barber etc), leaving it impossible to determine what was real or not. although the way the hookers were killed in paul allen's apt were real, wouldn't have been mentioned? bateman finding the apt for sale and no mention of the gruesome murders that occurred could be written off as another case of mistaken identity.

/read the book the first time without any issues, couldn't read it the second time after getting to the ex-girlfriend scene.
 
2013-01-24 02:43:14 PM

nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...


but only during the winter .. ?
 
2013-01-24 03:04:48 PM

ekdikeo4: nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...

but only during the winter .. ?


It was a new year's party, so the evil manifests itself most strongly near that time. Seeps into reality and farks it up.
 
2013-01-24 03:24:38 PM

chopit: ekdikeo4: nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...

but only during the winter .. ?

It was a new year's party, so the evil manifests itself most strongly near that time. Seeps into reality and farks it up.


Makes sense, I suppose.  And explains why the hotel is, everafter, closed during the winter.
 
2013-01-24 03:31:37 PM

ekdikeo4: nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...

but only during the winter .. ?


Maybe it's the point of that picture....and the reason it CLOSES with that picture. If the hotel closes every winter because of the extreme temperatures, how could it have been open to host such a lavish new years party for the picture to be taken in the first place...so many years before?

Food for thought...
 
2013-01-24 04:17:21 PM

nebulou5: ekdikeo4: nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...

but only during the winter .. ?

Maybe it's the point of that picture....and the reason it CLOSES with that picture. If the hotel closes every winter because of the extreme temperatures, how could it have been open to host such a lavish new years party for the picture to be taken in the first place...so many years before?

Food for thought...


Maybe the owners of the hotel have always closed it, yet the hotel decides to bring in the people.
 
2013-01-24 04:49:52 PM

nebulou5: ekdikeo4: nebulou5: I thought that Jack was assimilated into the farked up ghost world of the hotel...and all of the people in the picture were all victims of the hotel over the years and are now stuck forever in that evil spiritual plane, destined to haunt and pull the next suckers in for eternity...

but only during the winter .. ?

Maybe it's the point of that picture....and the reason it CLOSES with that picture. If the hotel closes every winter because of the extreme temperatures, how could it have been open to host such a lavish new years party for the picture to be taken in the first place...so many years before?

Food for thought...


mindlessones.com

It wasn't open during the winter. Though I'll admit, you did get me thinking for a minute.
 
2013-01-24 05:38:33 PM
Here's Mr. Ullman dressed in Red, White and Blue with an American flag prominently displayed on his desk. You'll notice these colors elsewhere. Wendy and Danny often wear the colors.
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Notice the many Native American designs and motifs throughout the hotel:
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The hotel was built on an Native American burial ground and it is haunted by the spirits who want to exact revenge on the white man who occupy it.
 
2013-01-24 06:26:17 PM

not5am: bateman finding the apt for sale and no mention of the gruesome murders that occurred could be written off as another case of mistaken identity.


i assumed it was more commentary on the greed of the 80's. rather than reveal the murders and lose the revenue on renting it, they just covered it all up.
 
2013-01-24 07:32:15 PM

tlchwi02: not5am: bateman finding the apt for sale and no mention of the gruesome murders that occurred could be written off as another case of mistaken identity.

i assumed it was more commentary on the greed of the 80's. rather than reveal the murders and lose the revenue on renting it, they just covered it all up.


I assumed that the whole thing happened inside his head.
 
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