If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Nature)   Your dog, but not your wolf, wants pasta   (nature.com) divider line 57
    More: Interesting, wolves, dogs, domestication, Uppsala University, carbs, dog breeding, behavior change, Durham University  
•       •       •

3680 clicks; posted to Geek » on 23 Jan 2013 at 5:27 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



57 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-01-23 04:30:28 PM  
So, my wolf doesn't wan't a cheeseburger?
 
2013-01-23 04:37:01 PM  
i.imgur.com
OMG NOODLE!
 
2013-01-23 04:48:30 PM  

simplicimus: So, my wolf doesn't wan't a cheeseburger?


Just leave out the bun, and your wolf should like it just fine. Wolves are especially partial to BBQ sauce on their burgers, by the way.
 
2013-01-23 05:14:46 PM  
Oh the picture in the article is adorkable.
 
2013-01-23 05:18:42 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: simplicimus: So, my wolf doesn't wan't a cheeseburger?

Just leave out the bun, and your wolf should like it just fine. Wolves are especially partial to BBQ sauce on their burgers, by the way.


Wolves probably like bacon, too.
 
2013-01-23 05:20:23 PM  
FTFA: "The authors say the results support the contentious idea that dogs became domesticated by lingering around human settlements."

Was it really contentious? I thought that was the commonly accepted vision of the domestication of dogs.
 
2013-01-23 05:22:29 PM  

Supes: FTFA: "The authors say the results support the contentious idea that dogs became domesticated by lingering around human settlements."

Was it really contentious? I thought that was the commonly accepted vision of the domestication of dogs.


There's all the "Humans kidnapped baby animals and let only the kindest, floppiest eared, most dachshund shaped wolves breed until they weren't wolves anymore."
 
2013-01-23 05:34:23 PM  

doglover: Supes: FTFA: "The authors say the results support the contentious idea that dogs became domesticated by lingering around human settlements."

Was it really contentious? I thought that was the commonly accepted vision of the domestication of dogs.

There's all the "Humans kidnapped baby animals and let only the kindest, floppiest eared, most dachshund shaped wolves breed until they weren't wolves anymore."


why not both? there probably wasn't just one domestication event.

anyway, dogs are awesome. much better than other animals.
 
2013-01-23 05:34:48 PM  
www.modernpooch.com

Even dogs benefit from a low carb diet.
 
2013-01-23 05:35:08 PM  
I wonder if a dog will eat dog noodle soup
/same goes for cats
 
2013-01-23 05:37:21 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: simplicimus: So, my wolf doesn't wan't a cheeseburger?

Just leave out the bun, and your wolf should like it just fine. Wolves are especially partial to BBQ sauce on their burgers, by the way.


I don't think its that wolves wont eat the bun. Its just that they aren't very good at digesting starch - it may largely pass through their system undigested and if they eat too much it will give them the squirts.

I once tested some dogs on raw grated cabbage which they turned up their nose at. However if you mix in some mayonnaise or yoghurt they gobble it up. I never advanced toward testing for the SQ50 amount (what quantity of raw cabbage gives 50% of dogs the squirts)
 
2013-01-23 05:43:32 PM  
HairBolus:  I never advanced toward testing for the SQ50 amount (what quantity of raw cabbage gives 50% of dogs the squirts)
I like this measurement

for Scooter The Dog it is about two stolen hamburgers, three slices of a stolen pizza or, in one memorable incident, half a packet of Marlboro Lights.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 06:22:15 PM  
I didn't realize this was controversial. I know with cats they have measured intestines of wild and domestic varieties and there is a big difference.
 
2013-01-23 06:33:02 PM  

dahmers love zombie: [i.imgur.com image 850x566]
OMG NOODLE!


That could be my dog.

He gets his treat un spaghetto at a time, just the way he likes it.
 
2013-01-23 06:33:03 PM  
My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.
 
2013-01-23 06:43:31 PM  

Lollipop165: My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.


I had a cat that loved asparagus. No idea why.
 
2013-01-23 06:45:25 PM  
Canine-domestication researchers agree that all dogs, from beagles to border collies, are the smaller, more sociable and less aggressive descendants of wolves.

I know this is true, but I remember looking at my beagle sacked out at my feet and just being stupefied by the thought that he was descended from wolves.

///descended from apes, myself
 
2013-01-23 06:46:54 PM  

ZAZ: I didn't realize this was controversial. I know with cats they have measured intestines of wild and domestic varieties and there is a big difference.


Do you have any references for those "well known" cat intestine measurements?

And why do you think that this is "not controversial" as opposed to "completely unknown" but sounds like something people should have known all along.This study uncovered genes for starch digestion, not for some morphological trait such as gut length.

Anyway Wikipedia is good place to find well-known facts and I can't find any mention there that dogs and wolves have different digestive systems that differ because of domestication.
 
2013-01-23 07:05:43 PM  

Lollipop165: My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.


All of my pets, the cats and the dog, have decided that french fries are pet treats. Drives me crazy when El Husby brings home fast food, because we get swarmed. I'm just waiting for the day our goldfish figures out what's going on and tries to get a french fry of his own.

/Used to have a cat who loved powdered mini-donuts and Cool Ranch Doritos.
//That was a weird, weird cat.
 
2013-01-23 07:11:20 PM  
My puppy will eat anything and everything. Yesterday she had a light snack that included my earbuds and god else knows what. My cat Smokey is picky and won't eat anything besides meat or cat food. Snowball though really likes popcorn,if you have some she'll sit in front of your staring til you give her a bite.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 07:22:23 PM  
HairBolus

For the fact that there is a difference in intestine length between wild and domestic cats, see

Krüger et al. 2009. Evaluation of anatomical characters and the question of hybridization with domestic cats in the wildcat population of Thuringia, Germany. J Zool Syst Evol Res. 47(3), 268-282

Daniels et al. 2001. Ecology and genetics of wild-living cats in the north-east of Scotland and the implications for the conservation of the wildcat. Journal of Applied Ecology 38(1):146-161

Both papers I found with google. I don't remember where I read the domestication diet explanation. It was presented as a generally accepted theory so I didn't bother to save a reference.
 
2013-01-23 07:22:27 PM  
This calls for a Three Pasta Wolf shirt...
 
2013-01-23 07:26:32 PM  
Ah yes, another dog food lobby funded 'study' trying to fob off the shiat carb-packed 'dog chow' they peddle as being something you would want to feed your pet, ever.

How about no.
 
2013-01-23 07:34:20 PM  

Amberwind: /Used to have a cat who loved powdered mini-donuts and Cool Ranch Doritos.
//That was a weird, weird cat.


One of my cats knows when I'm eating Doritos and will jump on my lap and can accurately swat them out of my hand. The same cat also eats those yellow foam ear plugs.
 
2013-01-23 07:51:45 PM  
My cat loves honey nut Cheerios and dry roasted peanuts.

My dog loves just about anything he sees on your plate.
 
2013-01-23 07:56:59 PM  
Had a ferret who loved jalapenos once. Current ferret loves split pea soup, but it gives him the gas something turrible.

/don't really know where I was going with that...
 
2013-01-23 08:06:43 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Ah yes, another dog food lobby funded 'study' trying to fob off the shiat carb-packed 'dog chow' they peddle as being something you would want to feed your pet, ever.

How about no.


dogs can eat our food. this is no surprise to anyone who has dogs. if you are feeding your dog a wolf's diet, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-23 08:21:48 PM  

SuperT: you are doing it wrong.


If by 'doing it wrong' you mean 'my pets are slim, healthy and awesome' then sure.
 
2013-01-23 08:28:46 PM  

SuperT: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Ah yes, another dog food lobby funded 'study' trying to fob off the shiat carb-packed 'dog chow' they peddle as being something you would want to feed your pet, ever.

How about no.

dogs can eat our food. this is no surprise to anyone who has dogs. if you are feeding your dog a wolf's diet, you are doing it wrong.


Yeah, people have been keeping dogs for someplace between 10,000 and 30,000 years. Something like three to ten *thousand* generations of dogs.

Kibble has been around for maybe 100 years of that stretch. The vast majority of dogs ate our leftovers, trash, and whatever vermin they could catch. Table scraps are probably their optimum diet, assuming their owners don't eat like crap themselves.

/our dog gets half kibbles and the rest is our leftovers on the verge of going bad.
//she loooooves a good pasta with marinara and sausage.
 
2013-01-23 08:29:47 PM  
Things my dog eats when my back is turned:
A stick of butter
Gorgonzola cheese
Chorizo sausage
French bread
Cheesecake
The top slice of bread on my sandwich
Pizza
Cream cheese with lox
Fishsticks
 
2013-01-23 08:31:39 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Amberwind: /Used to have a cat who loved powdered mini-donuts and Cool Ranch Doritos.
//That was a weird, weird cat.

One of my cats knows when I'm eating Doritos and will jump on my lap and can accurately swat them out of my hand. The same cat also eats those yellow foam ear plugs.


Doritos are farking nasty. Those yellow ear plugs aren't bad when they're fresh out of the package.
 
2013-01-23 08:33:40 PM  

simplicimus: Lollipop165: My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.

I had a cat that loved asparagus. No idea why.


I had an asparagras cat too.
 
2013-01-23 08:43:04 PM  
I had a cat that ate news paper.

Vet thinks the inks ruined his kidneys. Poor kitty.
 
2013-01-23 09:15:09 PM  

simplicimus: Lollipop165: My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.

I had a cat that loved asparagus. No idea why.


Extra territory marking power.
 
2013-01-23 09:19:56 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Your cat wants lasagna.
 
2013-01-23 09:21:03 PM  
Pasta? Maybe....but no self-respecting dog in our house would eat pasta without the marinara sauce, parmesan and a slice of garlic bread.
 
2013-01-23 09:25:21 PM  

wildcardjack: simplicimus: Lollipop165: My dogs and cat LOVE cheese doodles. The go bonkers if they see me open a bag.

My cat loves bananas. Rice too. I have no idea where she gets that.

I had a cat that loved asparagus. No idea why.

Extra territory marking power.


That's I thought.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 10:00:07 PM  
Hagbardr: Things my dog eats when my back is turned: A stick of butter

When I was 2 (+/- 1) I snuck onto the table while my parents' backs were turned and ate a stick of butter. Now I have more refined tastes and insist that butter be melted before I eat it in quantity.
 
2013-01-23 10:08:46 PM  
Italian wolves, some urbanized for decades, are known to eat leftover pasta from garbage dumps there. While stray cats feed on the other side of the fresh garbage pile.

Domestication of dogs from wolves was a no-brainer. Tame wolves would have started off as the only watchdogs against sabertooths and cave bears and lions and dire wolves, and the worst, other bad humans. Instantly the wolf rule that the alphas only breed gets turned bass-ackwards. The alphas kept leaving (no chains existed) to form their own packs and breed or die as they do in nature. The submissive wolves that never would have bred in the wild did as dogs and turned into them, no alphas any more. Being one was a detriment to survival for people's wolves.
 
2013-01-23 10:30:10 PM  
My dog eats blueberries, but only if I roll them away from her so she can chase 'em down. If I just give them to her, she'll gently take them into her mouth, walk away, lay down, spit them onto the floor, roll them around with her snout, put them back into her mouth, repeat. Eventually she just leaves them there for me to step on with my socks and grind into the farking hand-woven Turkish rug. Not the crap apartment berber, but always the good one.

I think she is entertained by my swearing loudly.
 
2013-01-23 10:32:04 PM  

SwiftFox: Italian wolves, some urbanized for decades, are known to eat leftover pasta from garbage dumps there. While stray cats feed on the other side of the fresh garbage pile.

Domestication of dogs from wolves was a no-brainer. Tame wolves would have started off as the only watchdogs against sabertooths and cave bears and lions and dire wolves, and the worst, other bad humans. Instantly the wolf rule that the alphas only breed gets turned bass-ackwards. The alphas kept leaving (no chains existed) to form their own packs and breed or die as they do in nature. The submissive wolves that never would have bred in the wild did as dogs and turned into them, no alphas any more. Being one was a detriment to survival for people's wolves.


I would imagine leftover pasta makes up roughly 90% of Italian garbage
 
2013-01-23 10:35:30 PM  
I'm also wondering what breeds they looked at to compare to wolves. I have a 12 week old Norwegian Elkhound and apparently they're ancient Viking dogs.
 
2013-01-23 10:49:55 PM  
So when do I get a domesticated and friendly descendant of a bear? I want the Labrador retriever of bears as a pet.
 
2013-01-23 10:55:47 PM  

loudboy: So when do I get a domesticated and friendly descendant of a bear? I want the Labrador retriever of bears as a pet.


If the Russians can do it with foxes, I guess it would be possible.

But consider the size of the pooper-scooper you'd need.
 
2013-01-23 10:57:21 PM  

Amberwind: /Used to have a cat who loved powdered mini-donuts and Cool Ranch Doritos.
//That was a weird, weird cat.


Well I hear that catnip does cause the munchies.
 
2013-01-23 10:59:09 PM  

loudboy: So when do I get a domesticated and friendly descendant of a bear? I want the Labrador retriever of bears as a pet.


blogs.wyomingnews.com

Here you go.
 
2013-01-23 11:51:05 PM  

Bonzo_1116: loudboy: So when do I get a domesticated and friendly descendant of a bear? I want the Labrador retriever of bears as a pet.

If the Russians can do it with foxes, I guess it would be possible.

But consider the size of the pooper-scooper you'd need.



There's a couple out here in suburbia who go to my dog park and have THREE great danes. The biggest one weighs at least as much as I do. I can only imagine that their backyard is some kind of vast reservoir of poop. My dog is half the size of his smallest great dane and even his poops get pretty bad out there if I let it go a couple days.

A domesticated bear? E-gads. Time to set up a contract with Doody Calls.
 
2013-01-23 11:51:37 PM  
Does anyone have any tips of how to break a puppy from eating random garbage? I'm afraid she'll eat something terrible and die,caught her trying to eat a nail once and she likes twist ties.
 
2013-01-24 12:08:40 AM  

doglover: Oh the picture in the article is adorkable.


Just go fark yourself with that stupid word.
 
2013-01-24 12:38:26 AM  

mongbiohazard: There's a couple out here in suburbia who go to my dog park and have THREE great danes. The biggest one weighs at least as much as I do. I can only imagine that their backyard is some kind of vast reservoir of poop. My dog is half the size of his smallest great dane and even his poops get pretty bad out there if I let it go a couple days.


Great danes depress me so much because of how short their life spans are.
 
Displayed 50 of 57 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report