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(HelenaIR.com)   "A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property," intones Montana state legislator on citizens' right to shoot to kill any bison trespassing in their back yards   (helenair.com) divider line 39
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2013-01-23 04:12:41 PM
6 votes:
Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 04:10:15 PM
5 votes:
So I guess the girl scouts had better avoid his house when they sell their cookies.
2013-01-23 04:44:57 PM
4 votes:
"A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property,"

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Agrees completely!
2013-01-23 04:44:07 PM
4 votes:
...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.
2013-01-23 04:16:32 PM
4 votes:
The bison moved into that area where all the humans were living?
2013-01-23 05:16:09 PM
3 votes:
Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.
2013-01-23 04:16:28 PM
3 votes:
Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.
2013-01-23 05:16:16 PM
2 votes:
I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."
2013-01-23 04:51:59 PM
2 votes:
I'm sure he would agree that he has no right to stop me from building a 24-hour tire fire next to his house as long as it's on my property.
2013-01-23 04:50:12 PM
2 votes:
I'm just happy people are finally referring to the animal properly as a "bison" and not a "buffalo".
2013-01-23 04:46:52 PM
2 votes:
Note to self: Never step foot on any property that man owns. He's likely to try to rape you.
2013-01-23 04:46:18 PM
2 votes:
Bill Hoppe, whose family has ranched next to Yellowstone National Park for six generations, said the wild bison that roam outside of the park are "dangerous, destructive and diseased."
He forgot 'delicious.'
2013-01-23 04:42:05 PM
2 votes:
Except that wandering bison, you don't own it, no matter where it walks.
2013-01-24 12:09:34 AM
1 votes:
Or you could build a fence.

I find it interesting that this fool's family has ranched next to Yellowstone for "six generations" and only just now has the wildlife suddenly become an issue. While buffalo have been scarce before now, it's not like they were extinct and miraculously reappeared last week. No: This douche just wants a free license to kill bison which is more expensive per pound than beef, and he's probably got a buyer already lined up.

Never attribute to douchebaggery that which is adequately explained by greed.
2013-01-23 06:12:41 PM
1 votes:
so reading the actual case, the supreme court ruled back in 1940 that wild animals cause some amount of damage and you just have to deal with that if you want to move to montana. seems pretty settled. there are laws on the books that dictate when an animal is dangerous to you, and if they fall into that category you can shoot them and report it to fish and game. Basically, these are cattle ranchers who already get subsidies from the government and get to use public land for grazing all they want for a song whining and wanting more.

the farmers need to suck it up and deal, or i think it would be fair to classify any of their cattle that they are grazing on public land as fair game for hunting.
2013-01-23 06:00:42 PM
1 votes:

gerrymander: But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison.


Yeah ya can.

You can choose not to shoot it.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

I see where you 're going with this.
2013-01-23 05:57:02 PM
1 votes:

whistleridge: ...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.


The government can't land a plane on your house just because it needs a runway. Neither can it decide your basement would make a great water retention pond or coal mine.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing. Image for a moment someone asserting that you have no choice if a cop decided to drive his official car on your lawn and do donuts or leave it parked there, because that's the cost of having public/private interaction, and you'll see the problem.

But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison. Unless the government is willing to establish, staff, and pay for a 24-hour Quick Response Bison Evacuation/Damage Compensation program, the only recourse will be private. In some cases, the only expedient private action will be shooting the thing. Given that in those cases the government cannot or will not adequately secure the rights of its own citizens, can we at least agree that the citizens should not be criminalized for securing their own rights?
2013-01-23 05:50:28 PM
1 votes:

minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.


It's the ranchers who call the bison dirty and diseased but it was the cattle who brought the brucellosis to the bison - if ranchers would pay to have their herds vaccinated, no one would mind bison roaming around Montana, like they did for centuries before we showed up.
2013-01-23 05:45:07 PM
1 votes:

todwin: Not a free country. That's the key assumption.


No shiat.  You want a free country, move to Somalia.

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2013-01-23 05:40:53 PM
1 votes:
I realize a bison can take down most fences, but a minimum requirement should be an attempt at passive exclusion of the animals.

Otherwise, if your prize bull wanders onto my land? It's now my prize bull and fark you.

If you want to press the issue, it becomes steak for my dog.
2013-01-23 05:38:08 PM
1 votes:

brap: Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.

Have the bison considered switching shampoos?


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2013-01-23 05:28:43 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


How, prey tell, are wild animals supposed to know to stay off your lawn.
2013-01-23 05:23:00 PM
1 votes:
The brucellosis argument is meaningless as it can only be caught if your around birthing bison or if your stupid enough to shoot and handle one. Which would be karma for this guy.
/The more you know
2013-01-23 05:21:54 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


Because only property owners are allowed to stand up for animal rights.

/yeah I know you're an obvious troll
2013-01-23 05:17:46 PM
1 votes:
Just get this guy to take care of it:

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And for your viewing pleasure!
2013-01-23 05:13:42 PM
1 votes:

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?



Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.
2013-01-23 05:09:37 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

Hey, it's my property.  And those toddlers are my children.

If I want to rape them, that's my business.

STOP OPPRESSING ME!!1!


/Heh...i remember many times as a LEO, that i would chase some drunken idiot in his car, he would pull into his driveway, jump out, and say "TADA...IM IN MY YARD..LOLZ...YOU CANT TOUCH ME". Um..ya..they would be all butt hurt and full of ire when you would tell them that castle doctrine doesn't apply when you break the law and the cops are right behind you.
2013-01-23 05:04:38 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


Problem is, the county doesn't have the authority to boot the park service into managing the bison more effectively. Sure, they can 'request' that the park service do more, and the park service will say "Sure we'll get right on that" the same as they've been saying for 20 years. This is similar to the Arizona illegal immigrant law: They're taking the authority to handle the problem onto themselves because those currently responsible for handling the problem don't answer to and have expressed that they don't care about those the problem is affecting.
2013-01-23 05:03:57 PM
1 votes:
So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free

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2013-01-23 04:57:34 PM
1 votes:

nexxus: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.


Please stop this fallacy that all laws (regarding taxin, shootin, and moonshinin') are enforced at 'gun point'. It is dated and absurd.

Yes I get the point that the Executive had the power to arrest you (usually as part or after some form of due process... offer exempt when brown, Muslim or both).

See the problem is you stop too early. Lets say you did rebuff the authority of Government and toss off those oppressive chains of the Usurper in Chief. And lets say a bunch of people followed you as well, leading to a wide spread uprising that threatened the full might of the United States military.

Well, you'd have more than guns pointing at you. You'd also have rockets, incendiary bombs, EMPs, tanks, helo, jets and much other assorted military weaponry. At ultimately, if things got really, really dicey, you'd have thermonuclear devices pointed at you.

So if you are going with laws are enforced at the point of the gun, you need to own.

Laws enforced by threat of nuclear strike.

So in many ways a reasonable person will now agree that being stopped from shooting protected bison on your own land is just like being in Nagasaki when the bomb fell. No difference.
2013-01-23 04:57:18 PM
1 votes:
It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass
2013-01-23 04:50:04 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.


If the animal is being a nuisance and seriously tearing up stuff you might have a legitimate reason to put the animal down, but if you do make sure you use the meat--buffalo is just good eats. Otherwise, I'm inclined to agree here.
2013-01-23 04:47:06 PM
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.
2013-01-23 04:46:37 PM
1 votes:
Shouldn't the bison be allowed to read the bill before the shooting starts?
2013-01-23 04:46:09 PM
1 votes:
Not a free country. That's the key assumption.
2013-01-23 04:44:40 PM
1 votes:
"So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free at the school bus stop,"

I have no problem with corralling children. They should be corralled at all times, in fact.
2013-01-23 04:43:05 PM
1 votes:
That's why I never let my slaves off the plantation. My house, my rules!
2013-01-23 04:42:56 PM
1 votes:
Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.
2013-01-23 04:41:30 PM
1 votes:
Bald Eagle, it's what's for lunch.
 
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