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(HelenaIR.com)   "A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property," intones Montana state legislator on citizens' right to shoot to kill any bison trespassing in their back yards   (helenair.com) divider line 128
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2013-01-23 04:10:15 PM  
So I guess the girl scouts had better avoid his house when they sell their cookies.
 
2013-01-23 04:12:41 PM  
Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?
 
2013-01-23 04:16:28 PM  
Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.
 
2013-01-23 04:16:32 PM  
The bison moved into that area where all the humans were living?
 
2013-01-23 04:21:38 PM  
...

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!?
 
2013-01-23 04:41:30 PM  
Bald Eagle, it's what's for lunch.
 
2013-01-23 04:42:05 PM  
Except that wandering bison, you don't own it, no matter where it walks.
 
2013-01-23 04:42:35 PM  
this "gentlemen" should sit on a cactus
 
2013-01-23 04:42:56 PM  
Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.
 
2013-01-23 04:43:05 PM  
That's why I never let my slaves off the plantation. My house, my rules!
 
2013-01-23 04:44:07 PM  
...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.
 
2013-01-23 04:44:40 PM  
"So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free at the school bus stop,"

I have no problem with corralling children. They should be corralled at all times, in fact.
 
2013-01-23 04:44:57 PM  
"A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property,"

news.xinhuanet.com

Agrees completely!
 
2013-01-23 04:45:42 PM  
Shoot 'n shovel.
 
2013-01-23 04:45:55 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Yes, it should. Live and let live.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:09 PM  
Not a free country. That's the key assumption.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:18 PM  
Bill Hoppe, whose family has ranched next to Yellowstone National Park for six generations, said the wild bison that roam outside of the park are "dangerous, destructive and diseased."
He forgot 'delicious.'
 
2013-01-23 04:46:31 PM  

whistleridge: ...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.


But can you pull the mask of the ole Lone Ranger?
 
2013-01-23 04:46:37 PM  
Shouldn't the bison be allowed to read the bill before the shooting starts?
 
2013-01-23 04:46:52 PM  
Note to self: Never step foot on any property that man owns. He's likely to try to rape you.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:02 PM  
Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:06 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:49 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Note to self: Never step foot on any property that man owns. He's likely to try to rape you.


No, no, no. He only rapes Buffalo. He shoots and eats people silly.
 
2013-01-23 04:48:29 PM  
"What do you want for your 76th birthday grandpa?"

I want a box of mac and cheese and you farkers to leave me along for one goddamned day.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.


If the animal is being a nuisance and seriously tearing up stuff you might have a legitimate reason to put the animal down, but if you do make sure you use the meat--buffalo is just good eats. Otherwise, I'm inclined to agree here.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:12 PM  
I'm just happy people are finally referring to the animal properly as a "bison" and not a "buffalo".
 
2013-01-23 04:50:16 PM  
Whooping crane: Roasted or grilled?
 
2013-01-23 04:50:19 PM  

minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.


That is brought up in the article.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:39 PM  

jonny_q: "What do you want for your 76th birthday grandpa?"

I want a box of mac and cheese and you farkers to leave me along for one goddamned day.


Wrong thread, chucklefark.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


Hey, it's my property.  And those toddlers are my children.

If I want to rape them, that's my business.

STOP OPPRESSING ME!!1!
 
2013-01-23 04:50:57 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

it was self defense
 
2013-01-23 04:51:59 PM  
I'm sure he would agree that he has no right to stop me from building a 24-hour tire fire next to his house as long as it's on my property.
 
2013-01-23 04:55:29 PM  
brap: Bald Eagle, it's what's for lunch.

Too stringy. I prefer Spotted Owl, basted and slow cooked to perfection.
 
2013-01-23 04:57:05 PM  
Seems fair to me as long as we give guns to the bison and train it to shoot back.
 
2013-01-23 04:57:18 PM  
It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass
 
2013-01-23 04:57:34 PM  

nexxus: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.


Please stop this fallacy that all laws (regarding taxin, shootin, and moonshinin') are enforced at 'gun point'. It is dated and absurd.

Yes I get the point that the Executive had the power to arrest you (usually as part or after some form of due process... offer exempt when brown, Muslim or both).

See the problem is you stop too early. Lets say you did rebuff the authority of Government and toss off those oppressive chains of the Usurper in Chief. And lets say a bunch of people followed you as well, leading to a wide spread uprising that threatened the full might of the United States military.

Well, you'd have more than guns pointing at you. You'd also have rockets, incendiary bombs, EMPs, tanks, helo, jets and much other assorted military weaponry. At ultimately, if things got really, really dicey, you'd have thermonuclear devices pointed at you.

So if you are going with laws are enforced at the point of the gun, you need to own.

Laws enforced by threat of nuclear strike.

So in many ways a reasonable person will now agree that being stopped from shooting protected bison on your own land is just like being in Nagasaki when the bomb fell. No difference.
 
2013-01-23 04:59:54 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.


I should have read further, but I had a hard time wading throught the posturing in the first couple of paragraphs.
 
2013-01-23 05:03:57 PM  
So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free

www.freewebs.com
 
2013-01-23 05:04:38 PM  

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


Problem is, the county doesn't have the authority to boot the park service into managing the bison more effectively. Sure, they can 'request' that the park service do more, and the park service will say "Sure we'll get right on that" the same as they've been saying for 20 years. This is similar to the Arizona illegal immigrant law: They're taking the authority to handle the problem onto themselves because those currently responsible for handling the problem don't answer to and have expressed that they don't care about those the problem is affecting.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:17 PM  
This guy needs to get his ass whupped by natives on "his" property.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:18 PM  
yes, please send me the bison meat. thank you.
 
2013-01-23 05:09:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

Hey, it's my property.  And those toddlers are my children.

If I want to rape them, that's my business.

STOP OPPRESSING ME!!1!


/Heh...i remember many times as a LEO, that i would chase some drunken idiot in his car, he would pull into his driveway, jump out, and say "TADA...IM IN MY YARD..LOLZ...YOU CANT TOUCH ME". Um..ya..they would be all butt hurt and full of ire when you would tell them that castle doctrine doesn't apply when you break the law and the cops are right behind you.
 
2013-01-23 05:13:42 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?



Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.
 
2013-01-23 05:15:20 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hmmm...lessee...

Rep. Alan Doane, R

I'm guessing, no. Drink, smoke, shoot, fark little boys...all ok, but there are some freedoms we should not have.
 
2013-01-23 05:16:09 PM  
Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.
 
2013-01-23 05:16:16 PM  
I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."
 
2013-01-23 05:17:11 PM  

UberDave: ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.


I would suggest open pit sewage containment. It's much cheaper than a complicated septic system.
 
2013-01-23 05:17:46 PM  
Just get this guy to take care of it:

theawesomer.com

And for your viewing pleasure!
 
2013-01-23 05:18:19 PM  
Disapproves.
Link
 
2013-01-23 05:19:14 PM  
I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."


Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!
 
2013-01-23 05:21:54 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


Because only property owners are allowed to stand up for animal rights.

/yeah I know you're an obvious troll
 
2013-01-23 05:22:04 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


Yeah, when you get a foot of snow it's just the most wonderful farkin' thing on Earth.
 
2013-01-23 05:23:00 PM  
The brucellosis argument is meaningless as it can only be caught if your around birthing bison or if your stupid enough to shoot and handle one. Which would be karma for this guy.
/The more you know
 
2013-01-23 05:23:16 PM  
Break yo gun on a stump!
 
2013-01-23 05:23:37 PM  

Neverhood9: I'm just happy people are finally referring to the animal properly as a "bison" and not a "buffalo".


Oh, you wait 'till you get to my post!
 
2013-01-23 05:24:07 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!
 
2013-01-23 05:26:52 PM  
OK then, I've decided I want to open an abortion clinic on my privately owned land, where I will perform abortions for anyone, for any reason, at any time during their pregnancy.

Your move Montana.
 
2013-01-23 05:28:00 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.


Have the bison considered switching shampoos?
 
2013-01-23 05:28:07 PM  

abhorrent1: mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!

I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!


Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants
 
2013-01-23 05:28:43 PM  

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


How, prey tell, are wild animals supposed to know to stay off your lawn.
 
2013-01-23 05:34:28 PM  

vpb: So I guess the girl scouts had better avoid his house when they sell their cookies.


Done in one...

/having a seat over there
 
2013-01-23 05:36:53 PM  

H31N0US: abhorrent1: mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!

I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!

Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants


How would he get into a locked greenhouse? I didn't realize bison had opposable thumbs and could work doors like a velociraptor...
 
2013-01-23 05:38:08 PM  

brap: Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.

Have the bison considered switching shampoos?


Gee Your Hooves Smell Terrific™
 
2013-01-23 05:40:53 PM  
I realize a bison can take down most fences, but a minimum requirement should be an attempt at passive exclusion of the animals.

Otherwise, if your prize bull wanders onto my land? It's now my prize bull and fark you.

If you want to press the issue, it becomes steak for my dog.
 
2013-01-23 05:45:07 PM  

todwin: Not a free country. That's the key assumption.


No shiat.  You want a free country, move to Somalia.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-23 05:50:28 PM  

minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.


It's the ranchers who call the bison dirty and diseased but it was the cattle who brought the brucellosis to the bison - if ranchers would pay to have their herds vaccinated, no one would mind bison roaming around Montana, like they did for centuries before we showed up.
 
2013-01-23 05:52:00 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


He's just following the example of the mining companies.
 
2013-01-23 05:55:50 PM  

max_pooper: UberDave: ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.

I would suggest open pit sewage containment. It's much cheaper than a complicated septic system.



Who am I to doubt such advice from someone with such a name?!  :D
 
2013-01-23 05:57:02 PM  

whistleridge: ...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.


The government can't land a plane on your house just because it needs a runway. Neither can it decide your basement would make a great water retention pond or coal mine.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing. Image for a moment someone asserting that you have no choice if a cop decided to drive his official car on your lawn and do donuts or leave it parked there, because that's the cost of having public/private interaction, and you'll see the problem.

But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison. Unless the government is willing to establish, staff, and pay for a 24-hour Quick Response Bison Evacuation/Damage Compensation program, the only recourse will be private. In some cases, the only expedient private action will be shooting the thing. Given that in those cases the government cannot or will not adequately secure the rights of its own citizens, can we at least agree that the citizens should not be criminalized for securing their own rights?
 
2013-01-23 06:00:42 PM  

gerrymander: But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison.


Yeah ya can.

You can choose not to shoot it.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

I see where you 're going with this.
 
2013-01-23 06:03:15 PM  

wingnut396: nexxus: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.

Please stop this fallacy that all laws (regarding taxin, shootin, and moonshinin') are enforced at 'gun point'. It is dated and absurd.

Yes I get the point that the Executive had the power to arrest you (usually as part or after some form of due process... offer exempt when brown, Muslim or both).

See the problem is you stop too early. Lets say you did rebuff the authority of Government and toss off those oppressive chains of the Usurper in Chief. And lets say a bunch of people followed you as well, leading to a wide spread uprising that threatened the full might of the United States military.

Well, you'd have more than guns pointing at you. You'd also have rockets, incendiary bombs, EMPs, tanks, helo, jets and much other assorted military weaponry. At ultimately, if things got really, really dicey, you'd have thermonuclear devices pointed at you.

So if you are going with laws are enforced at the point of the gun, you need to own.

Laws enforced by threat of nuclear strike.

So in many ways a reasonable person will now agree that being stopped from shooting protected bison on your own land is just like being in Nagasaki when the bomb fell. No difference.


Wow. I'm impressed. Truly. So much mindreading here, and you are _right on the money_, old son.

I'm not advocating the shooting of bison (on the contrary, I prefer animals never be shot except out of necessity), but the implication that laws *aren't* enforced via coercion, and ultimately under threat of force, is ridiculous (like most of your post).

Check your reality matrix and get back to us when you've defragmented and corrected the glitches.
 
2013-01-23 06:03:38 PM  
If the State will not let him remove a treat to his property himself they better damn well do it themselves or pay for all damages.
 
2013-01-23 06:04:34 PM  
Sounds like something Warren Jeffs might say.
 
2013-01-23 06:04:41 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Or an abortion clinic?
 
2013-01-23 06:05:15 PM  

whidbey: H31N0US: Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants

How would he get into a locked greenhouse? I didn't realize bison had opposable thumbs and could work doors like a velociraptor...


Ha, you're funny.

"How the hell did this tank get into my backyard? I locked the gate and everything!"
 
2013-01-23 06:09:06 PM  
I know very little about what going on in this story.

I do know that the measure is being pushed by a republican, so I am skeptical.
 
2013-01-23 06:09:10 PM  
TFA doesn't mention it, but I assume that the guy is a dreadlock rasta from the heart of the Caribbean.

It's not his fault he's fighting on arrival. He's fighting for survival.
 
2013-01-23 06:11:48 PM  

whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.


People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?
 
2013-01-23 06:12:01 PM  

jcooli09: I know very little about what going on in this story.

I do know that the measure is being pushed by a republican, so I am skeptical.


Somewhere in all that political legalese they probably hid a proclamation in support of rape.
 
2013-01-23 06:12:41 PM  
so reading the actual case, the supreme court ruled back in 1940 that wild animals cause some amount of damage and you just have to deal with that if you want to move to montana. seems pretty settled. there are laws on the books that dictate when an animal is dangerous to you, and if they fall into that category you can shoot them and report it to fish and game. Basically, these are cattle ranchers who already get subsidies from the government and get to use public land for grazing all they want for a song whining and wanting more.

the farmers need to suck it up and deal, or i think it would be fair to classify any of their cattle that they are grazing on public land as fair game for hunting.
 
2013-01-23 06:18:25 PM  
We all know Bison are domestic terrorists and listed on the No-Fly database. Cut Bank, Montana needs another white buffalo stuffed in a plastic box next to the highway.
 
2013-01-23 06:32:37 PM  

gerrymander: whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?


Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.
 
2013-01-23 06:45:06 PM  
"Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb
 
2013-01-23 06:48:05 PM  

jso2897: "Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb


I still have you farkied as "cool Goldwater-styley conservative." Is this still accurate?

It amazes me how nearly 95% (or more) of what you post I tend to wholeheartedly agree with.
 
2013-01-23 06:49:28 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.


The wolves in Yellowstone are pretty well established. The problem is that they prefer to hunt elk. Can't say I blame them. Bison are big and cranky.

Link
 
2013-01-23 06:49:43 PM  
Where was this guy when Michael Jackson needed him?
 
2013-01-23 07:02:18 PM  
Movin' to Montana soon,
Gonna be a trespassin' bison tycoon.
 
2013-01-23 07:07:39 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


brothel, casino, toxic waste dump, slaughter house, slave den,

the list is infinite
 
2013-01-23 07:09:17 PM  
That + corporate personhood = GOOD TIMES!!!
 
2013-01-23 07:15:10 PM  

All_Farked_Up: If the State will not let him remove a treat to his property himself they better damn well do it themselves or pay for all damages.


well he could build one of them high tech fence thingies ...
LOL

plus this whole LAW thing seems confusing
can I just ignore the law if I am in my house??
 
2013-01-23 07:17:08 PM  
www.nationalgeographic.com

Free bison in a free country should be able to say what they do on that land.
 
2013-01-23 07:28:08 PM  
Sorry, wildlife has always belonged to the King.
 
2013-01-23 07:30:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-23 07:32:02 PM  
Always losing...

www.examiner.com
 
2013-01-23 07:35:15 PM  
img210.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-23 07:42:52 PM  
I'm so farking sick of this typical american bullshiat. Acting as if they own the farking world. Whatever happened to existing in HARMONY with nature? Oh no, bison on my property, gotta shoot it! fark off, mouth-breathing gun nuts.
 
2013-01-23 07:48:08 PM  

whidbey: F*ck your stupid property "rights."


Spoken like someone who has never owned his own land.
 
2013-01-23 07:52:55 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: whidbey: F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Spoken like someone who has never owned his own land.


Because in order to stand up for animal rights, one must actually own property.

I learn so much here at Fark.
 
2013-01-23 07:54:16 PM  

whidbey: gerrymander: whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?

Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.


When you agree to assume the liability for property damage caused by them, then you can speak for them. Until then, sit down in front of the TV and watch your DVD of Bambi, and let the grown-ups finish talking.
 
2013-01-23 07:57:46 PM  

gerrymander: Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.

When you agree to assume the liability for property damage caused by them, then you can speak for them. Until then, sit down in front of the TV and watch your DVD of Bambi, and let the grown-ups finish talking.


There is little to nothing in TFA about property damage, it's about perceived property RIGHTS.

Maybe you should take your own advice.
 
2013-01-23 08:02:28 PM  
If you Liberals read the constitution once in awhile you would stop being such pussies. I have the right to shoot missiles at planes that fly over my own deeded air space.

/sorry guys that was lame ...just trying to fit into the new America. :(
 
2013-01-23 08:04:19 PM  

easypray: .just trying to fit into the new America. :(


It's a 4XX. You're going to have to eat a few more cases of Krispy Kremes and wash 'em down with some cheez fries.
 
2013-01-23 08:22:49 PM  
I knew this old fart who lived right on the boundary of Yellowstone, and he hated the bison. It didn't help matters that a guy about half a mile away fed the elk and bison in the winter, until the state made him stop. Anyway, the bison kept getting into this guy's yard and he kept threatening to shoot them. I forget how he got caught, but when the police showed up at his house, they asked him if they could look in his garage, and they found the bison's head in the garage--all properly bloody and gross.

Nothing happened to him. He'd lived there his whole life, had family all over the place, was pretty old, and they just kind of let it slide.

jso2897: "Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb


Indeed.
 
2013-01-23 08:42:29 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com

lh3.googleusercontent.com


Bill Hoppe, whose family has ranched next to Yellowstone National Park for six generations, said the wild bison that roam outside of the park are "dangerous, destructive and diseased." He noted that in Gardiner, they've installed metal pens at school bus stops to protect children from the wild bison.

Gardiner--the school is across the street.

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-23 09:16:39 PM  
He should be at least allowed to take the tongue and liver, but leave the rest to go on its way.

/goddamn, I love tongue and liver.
 
2013-01-23 09:21:40 PM  

cryinoutloud:

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x388]


There's --- there's an elk standing on a table in that picnic shelter!
 
2013-01-23 09:25:18 PM  

chunderboy: cryinoutloud:

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x388]

There's --- there's an elk standing on a table in that picnic shelter!


She is King of the Table. Do you dare to challenge her?
 
2013-01-23 09:50:41 PM  
What if he's just driving through, on his way to have a beer? Is he still fair game? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/10/buffalo-drinks-beer-dance_n_7 94596.html
 
2013-01-23 09:53:16 PM  
"Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.
 
2013-01-23 09:55:26 PM  

Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.


If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.
 
2013-01-23 11:03:31 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.

If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.


I assume you typed that post on a computer made of sticks and mud, powered by pure thoughts.
 
2013-01-23 11:09:58 PM  
I'm torn here.

To an extent, I agree with that, but I don't want to give a free year round hunting pass to everyone...
 
2013-01-23 11:11:51 PM  
Well I see the derp is still trickling down this thread one post at a time.
 
2013-01-23 11:28:45 PM  
If I want to blow off a 50 megaton nuke on my land I should have the right!
 
2013-01-23 11:34:35 PM  

bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.

If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.

I assume you typed that post on a computer made of sticks and mud, powered by pure thoughts.


We're smart, yes, but we seem to have given up our common sense and foresight for it. I can enjoy the products of humanity while I berate the stupid among it for their failure.
 
2013-01-24 12:01:18 AM  
i97.photobucket.com
For you, the day Bison graced your deeded property was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday.

/slackers
 
2013-01-24 12:07:30 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.

If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.

I assume you typed that post on a computer made of sticks and mud, powered by pure thoughts.

We're smart, yes, but we seem to have given up our common sense and foresight for it. I can enjoy the products of humanity while I berate the stupid among it for their failure.


I probably share more of your beliefs than you think. I was born and raised in one of the most beautiful places in the country and hate the thought of anything bad happening to it. That being said, people who get up on their high horses and denigrate the folks who make their living from the land while sitting in some climate controlled apartment on the other side of the country, typing on a machine that can't exist without raping the hell out of the planet really chap my hide. A little less self-righteousness and a little more understanding will take you far.
 
2013-01-24 12:09:34 AM  
Or you could build a fence.

I find it interesting that this fool's family has ranched next to Yellowstone for "six generations" and only just now has the wildlife suddenly become an issue. While buffalo have been scarce before now, it's not like they were extinct and miraculously reappeared last week. No: This douche just wants a free license to kill bison which is more expensive per pound than beef, and he's probably got a buyer already lined up.

Never attribute to douchebaggery that which is adequately explained by greed.
 
2013-01-24 12:16:39 AM  
Is "deeded" property somehow more important that regular property?
 
2013-01-24 12:17:09 AM  

chunderboy: cryinoutloud:

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x388]

There's --- there's an elk standing on a table in that picnic shelter!



Looks like a Far Side...just throw a pair of horn-rimmed glasses on one of the elk in the background.
 
2013-01-24 12:18:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Or you could build a fence.

I find it interesting that this fool's family has ranched next to Yellowstone for "six generations" and only just now has the wildlife suddenly become an issue. While buffalo have been scarce before now, it's not like they were extinct and miraculously reappeared last week. No: This douche just wants a free license to kill bison which is more expensive per pound than beef, and he's probably got a buyer already lined up.

Never attribute to douchebaggery that which is adequately explained by greed.


maybe he's a greedy douchebag?
 
2013-01-24 12:27:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Or you could build a fence.
I find it interesting that this fool's family has ranched next to Yellowstone for "six generations" and only just now has the wildlife suddenly become an issue. While buffalo have been scarce before now, it's not like they were extinct and miraculously reappeared last week. No: This douche just wants a free license to kill bison which is more expensive per pound than beef, and he's probably got a buyer already lined up.
Never attribute to douchebaggery that which is adequately explained by greed.


He's an outfitter and he runs cattle, which I figured before I checked. Every blade of grass that goes to a bison instead of a cow is wasted.

And bless his heart, I know where he lives. Right on, and I mean right ON the park boundary. So he likes all the benefits he gets from living next to one of most famous ecosystems in the world (hunters pay good money to get up in this area), but those bison are just much too wild for him.
 
2013-01-24 12:29:03 AM  

bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.

If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.

I assume you typed that post on a computer made of sticks and mud, powered by pure thoughts.

We're smart, yes, but we seem to have given up our common sense and foresight for it. I can enjoy the products of humanity while I berate the stupid among it for their failure.

I probably share more of your beliefs than you think. I was born and raised in one of the most beautiful places in the country and hate the thought of anything bad happening to it. That being said, people who get up on their high horses and denigrate the folks who make their living from the land while sitting in some climate controlled apartment on the other side of the country, typing on a machine that can't exist without raping the hell out of the planet really chap my hide. A little less self-righteousness and a little more understanding will take you far.


How your raping machine treating you these days, chapped person?
 
2013-01-24 12:35:09 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: bogey: Keizer_Ghidorah: Gooseycheeks: "Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.'

There's plenty of wolves. East coast environmentalists, in all their infinite wisdom, decided to come out west and fark everything up then wonder why there's unintended consequences.

If man would learn to live WITH nature of trying to destroy it, thereby slowly dooming himself, none of this would be happening. But man in his infinite wisdom is supremely arrogant, greedy, and short-sighted.

I assume you typed that post on a computer made of sticks and mud, powered by pure thoughts.

We're smart, yes, but we seem to have given up our common sense and foresight for it. I can enjoy the products of humanity while I berate the stupid among it for their failure.

I probably share more of your beliefs than you think. I was born and raised in one of the most beautiful places in the country and hate the thought of anything bad happening to it. That being said, people who get up on their high horses and denigrate the folks who make their living from the land while sitting in some climate controlled apartment on the other side of the country, typing on a machine that can't exist without raping the hell out of the planet really chap my hide. A little less self-righteousness and a little more understanding will take you far.

How your raping machine treating you these days, chapped person?


About time for an upgrade. 1080p video chokes and I'm constantly scrounging for disk space. It has been a good soldier though. All these years and not a single failure. Thinkpads rule.
 
2013-01-24 12:36:31 AM  

cryinoutloud: Gyrfalcon: Or you could build a fence.
I find it interesting that this fool's family has ranched next to Yellowstone for "six generations" and only just now has the wildlife suddenly become an issue. While buffalo have been scarce before now, it's not like they were extinct and miraculously reappeared last week. No: This douche just wants a free license to kill bison which is more expensive per pound than beef, and he's probably got a buyer already lined up.
Never attribute to douchebaggery that which is adequately explained by greed.

He's an outfitter and he runs cattle, which I figured before I checked. Every blade of grass that goes to a bison instead of a cow is wasted.

And bless his heart, I know where he lives. Right on, and I mean right ON the park boundary. So he likes all the benefits he gets from living next to one of most famous ecosystems in the world (hunters pay good money to get up in this area), but those bison are just much too wild for him.


Ah, yep. And a fence would just ruin the scenic view tourists pay for, no doubt.
 
2013-01-24 03:36:05 AM  
LOL "East coast environmentalists."

I guess there are no local activists in MT. I have Fark confirmation.
 
2013-01-24 09:22:29 AM  

jso2897: "Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb


So I guess they've closed all those casinos, then?
 
2013-01-24 06:51:06 PM  

Helena Handbasket: jso2897: "Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb

So I guess they've closed all those casinos, then?


Yeah that really has a lot to do with what we're talking about.

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