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(HelenaIR.com)   "A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property," intones Montana state legislator on citizens' right to shoot to kill any bison trespassing in their back yards   (helenair.com) divider line 128
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2013-01-23 05:21:54 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


Because only property owners are allowed to stand up for animal rights.

/yeah I know you're an obvious troll
 
2013-01-23 05:22:04 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


Yeah, when you get a foot of snow it's just the most wonderful farkin' thing on Earth.
 
2013-01-23 05:23:00 PM  
The brucellosis argument is meaningless as it can only be caught if your around birthing bison or if your stupid enough to shoot and handle one. Which would be karma for this guy.
/The more you know
 
2013-01-23 05:23:16 PM  
Break yo gun on a stump!
 
2013-01-23 05:23:37 PM  

Neverhood9: I'm just happy people are finally referring to the animal properly as a "bison" and not a "buffalo".


Oh, you wait 'till you get to my post!
 
2013-01-23 05:24:07 PM  

mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!


I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!
 
2013-01-23 05:26:52 PM  
OK then, I've decided I want to open an abortion clinic on my privately owned land, where I will perform abortions for anyone, for any reason, at any time during their pregnancy.

Your move Montana.
 
2013-01-23 05:28:00 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.


Have the bison considered switching shampoos?
 
2013-01-23 05:28:07 PM  

abhorrent1: mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!

I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!


Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants
 
2013-01-23 05:28:43 PM  

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


How, prey tell, are wild animals supposed to know to stay off your lawn.
 
2013-01-23 05:34:28 PM  

vpb: So I guess the girl scouts had better avoid his house when they sell their cookies.


Done in one...

/having a seat over there
 
2013-01-23 05:36:53 PM  

H31N0US: abhorrent1: mark12A: I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!

I don't. But if I did, I think looking out my kitchen window and seeing bison wandering through my yard would be pretty awesome!

Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants


How would he get into a locked greenhouse? I didn't realize bison had opposable thumbs and could work doors like a velociraptor...
 
2013-01-23 05:38:08 PM  

brap: Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.

Have the bison considered switching shampoos?


Gee Your Hooves Smell Terrific™
 
2013-01-23 05:40:53 PM  
I realize a bison can take down most fences, but a minimum requirement should be an attempt at passive exclusion of the animals.

Otherwise, if your prize bull wanders onto my land? It's now my prize bull and fark you.

If you want to press the issue, it becomes steak for my dog.
 
2013-01-23 05:45:07 PM  

todwin: Not a free country. That's the key assumption.


No shiat.  You want a free country, move to Somalia.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-23 05:50:28 PM  

minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.


It's the ranchers who call the bison dirty and diseased but it was the cattle who brought the brucellosis to the bison - if ranchers would pay to have their herds vaccinated, no one would mind bison roaming around Montana, like they did for centuries before we showed up.
 
2013-01-23 05:52:00 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


He's just following the example of the mining companies.
 
2013-01-23 05:55:50 PM  

max_pooper: UberDave: ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.

I would suggest open pit sewage containment. It's much cheaper than a complicated septic system.



Who am I to doubt such advice from someone with such a name?!  :D
 
2013-01-23 05:57:02 PM  

whistleridge: ...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.


The government can't land a plane on your house just because it needs a runway. Neither can it decide your basement would make a great water retention pond or coal mine.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing. Image for a moment someone asserting that you have no choice if a cop decided to drive his official car on your lawn and do donuts or leave it parked there, because that's the cost of having public/private interaction, and you'll see the problem.

But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison. Unless the government is willing to establish, staff, and pay for a 24-hour Quick Response Bison Evacuation/Damage Compensation program, the only recourse will be private. In some cases, the only expedient private action will be shooting the thing. Given that in those cases the government cannot or will not adequately secure the rights of its own citizens, can we at least agree that the citizens should not be criminalized for securing their own rights?
 
2013-01-23 06:00:42 PM  

gerrymander: But! It's worse than that, because you have recourses in the cop car case: you can reason with the cop, report him to superiors, get elected as local sheriff and fire him. You can't do any of that with a bison.


Yeah ya can.

You can choose not to shoot it.

We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

I see where you 're going with this.
 
2013-01-23 06:03:15 PM  

wingnut396: nexxus: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.

Please stop this fallacy that all laws (regarding taxin, shootin, and moonshinin') are enforced at 'gun point'. It is dated and absurd.

Yes I get the point that the Executive had the power to arrest you (usually as part or after some form of due process... offer exempt when brown, Muslim or both).

See the problem is you stop too early. Lets say you did rebuff the authority of Government and toss off those oppressive chains of the Usurper in Chief. And lets say a bunch of people followed you as well, leading to a wide spread uprising that threatened the full might of the United States military.

Well, you'd have more than guns pointing at you. You'd also have rockets, incendiary bombs, EMPs, tanks, helo, jets and much other assorted military weaponry. At ultimately, if things got really, really dicey, you'd have thermonuclear devices pointed at you.

So if you are going with laws are enforced at the point of the gun, you need to own.

Laws enforced by threat of nuclear strike.

So in many ways a reasonable person will now agree that being stopped from shooting protected bison on your own land is just like being in Nagasaki when the bomb fell. No difference.


Wow. I'm impressed. Truly. So much mindreading here, and you are _right on the money_, old son.

I'm not advocating the shooting of bison (on the contrary, I prefer animals never be shot except out of necessity), but the implication that laws *aren't* enforced via coercion, and ultimately under threat of force, is ridiculous (like most of your post).

Check your reality matrix and get back to us when you've defragmented and corrected the glitches.
 
2013-01-23 06:03:38 PM  
If the State will not let him remove a treat to his property himself they better damn well do it themselves or pay for all damages.
 
2013-01-23 06:04:34 PM  
Sounds like something Warren Jeffs might say.
 
2013-01-23 06:04:41 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Or an abortion clinic?
 
2013-01-23 06:05:15 PM  

whidbey: H31N0US: Yeah until he wanderes over and eats all your marijuana plants

How would he get into a locked greenhouse? I didn't realize bison had opposable thumbs and could work doors like a velociraptor...


Ha, you're funny.

"How the hell did this tank get into my backyard? I locked the gate and everything!"
 
2013-01-23 06:09:06 PM  
I know very little about what going on in this story.

I do know that the measure is being pushed by a republican, so I am skeptical.
 
2013-01-23 06:09:10 PM  
TFA doesn't mention it, but I assume that the guy is a dreadlock rasta from the heart of the Caribbean.

It's not his fault he's fighting on arrival. He's fighting for survival.
 
2013-01-23 06:11:48 PM  

whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.


People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?
 
2013-01-23 06:12:01 PM  

jcooli09: I know very little about what going on in this story.

I do know that the measure is being pushed by a republican, so I am skeptical.


Somewhere in all that political legalese they probably hid a proclamation in support of rape.
 
2013-01-23 06:12:41 PM  
so reading the actual case, the supreme court ruled back in 1940 that wild animals cause some amount of damage and you just have to deal with that if you want to move to montana. seems pretty settled. there are laws on the books that dictate when an animal is dangerous to you, and if they fall into that category you can shoot them and report it to fish and game. Basically, these are cattle ranchers who already get subsidies from the government and get to use public land for grazing all they want for a song whining and wanting more.

the farmers need to suck it up and deal, or i think it would be fair to classify any of their cattle that they are grazing on public land as fair game for hunting.
 
2013-01-23 06:18:25 PM  
We all know Bison are domestic terrorists and listed on the No-Fly database. Cut Bank, Montana needs another white buffalo stuffed in a plastic box next to the highway.
 
2013-01-23 06:32:37 PM  

gerrymander: whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?


Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.
 
2013-01-23 06:45:06 PM  
"Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb
 
2013-01-23 06:48:05 PM  

jso2897: "Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten" - Cree Indian Proverb


I still have you farkied as "cool Goldwater-styley conservative." Is this still accurate?

It amazes me how nearly 95% (or more) of what you post I tend to wholeheartedly agree with.
 
2013-01-23 06:49:28 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.


The wolves in Yellowstone are pretty well established. The problem is that they prefer to hunt elk. Can't say I blame them. Bison are big and cranky.

Link
 
2013-01-23 06:49:43 PM  
Where was this guy when Michael Jackson needed him?
 
2013-01-23 07:02:18 PM  
Movin' to Montana soon,
Gonna be a trespassin' bison tycoon.
 
2013-01-23 07:07:39 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


brothel, casino, toxic waste dump, slaughter house, slave den,

the list is infinite
 
2013-01-23 07:09:17 PM  
That + corporate personhood = GOOD TIMES!!!
 
2013-01-23 07:15:10 PM  

All_Farked_Up: If the State will not let him remove a treat to his property himself they better damn well do it themselves or pay for all damages.


well he could build one of them high tech fence thingies ...
LOL

plus this whole LAW thing seems confusing
can I just ignore the law if I am in my house??
 
2013-01-23 07:17:08 PM  
www.nationalgeographic.com

Free bison in a free country should be able to say what they do on that land.
 
2013-01-23 07:28:08 PM  
Sorry, wildlife has always belonged to the King.
 
2013-01-23 07:30:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-23 07:32:02 PM  
Always losing...

www.examiner.com
 
2013-01-23 07:35:15 PM  
img210.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-23 07:42:52 PM  
I'm so farking sick of this typical american bullshiat. Acting as if they own the farking world. Whatever happened to existing in HARMONY with nature? Oh no, bison on my property, gotta shoot it! fark off, mouth-breathing gun nuts.
 
2013-01-23 07:48:08 PM  

whidbey: F*ck your stupid property "rights."


Spoken like someone who has never owned his own land.
 
2013-01-23 07:52:55 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: whidbey: F*ck your stupid property "rights."

Spoken like someone who has never owned his own land.


Because in order to stand up for animal rights, one must actually own property.

I learn so much here at Fark.
 
2013-01-23 07:54:16 PM  

whidbey: gerrymander: whidbey: gerrymander: We're talking about a specific case where the public aspect of this interaction is a one ton, free-ranging autonomous thing.

Because bison aren't living breathing animals. They're THINGS to be shot.

People are also living, breathing animals, and there are plenty of occasions where it's fine to shoot them -- and we have rather clear demarcations on what characterizes those occasions. Why would we do any less for interactions with bison?

Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.


When you agree to assume the liability for property damage caused by them, then you can speak for them. Until then, sit down in front of the TV and watch your DVD of Bambi, and let the grown-ups finish talking.
 
2013-01-23 07:57:46 PM  

gerrymander: Because they aren't people, and except for other people like me, there's no one to speak for them.

When you agree to assume the liability for property damage caused by them, then you can speak for them. Until then, sit down in front of the TV and watch your DVD of Bambi, and let the grown-ups finish talking.


There is little to nothing in TFA about property damage, it's about perceived property RIGHTS.

Maybe you should take your own advice.
 
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