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(HelenaIR.com)   "A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property," intones Montana state legislator on citizens' right to shoot to kill any bison trespassing in their back yards   (helenair.com) divider line 128
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 04:10:15 PM  
So I guess the girl scouts had better avoid his house when they sell their cookies.
 
2013-01-23 04:12:41 PM  
Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?
 
2013-01-23 04:16:28 PM  
Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.
 
2013-01-23 04:16:32 PM  
The bison moved into that area where all the humans were living?
 
2013-01-23 04:21:38 PM  
...

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!?
 
2013-01-23 04:41:30 PM  
Bald Eagle, it's what's for lunch.
 
2013-01-23 04:42:05 PM  
Except that wandering bison, you don't own it, no matter where it walks.
 
2013-01-23 04:42:35 PM  
this "gentlemen" should sit on a cactus
 
2013-01-23 04:42:56 PM  
Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.
 
2013-01-23 04:43:05 PM  
That's why I never let my slaves off the plantation. My house, my rules!
 
2013-01-23 04:44:07 PM  
...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.
 
2013-01-23 04:44:40 PM  
"So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free at the school bus stop,"

I have no problem with corralling children. They should be corralled at all times, in fact.
 
2013-01-23 04:44:57 PM  
"A free man in a free country who owns deeded property should be able to say what he does on his property,"

news.xinhuanet.com

Agrees completely!
 
2013-01-23 04:45:42 PM  
Shoot 'n shovel.
 
2013-01-23 04:45:55 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Yes, it should. Live and let live.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:09 PM  
Not a free country. That's the key assumption.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:18 PM  
Bill Hoppe, whose family has ranched next to Yellowstone National Park for six generations, said the wild bison that roam outside of the park are "dangerous, destructive and diseased."
He forgot 'delicious.'
 
2013-01-23 04:46:31 PM  

whistleridge: ...except where that property interacts with public property. Like the electromagnetic spectrum. And the airspace. And the mineral rights. And the water rights. And the animals.

Newsflash: you can't auction off the spectrum rights for cellphone towers, you can't dump chemicals in the water table, and you can't shoot protected animals. Stop being an asshole and acting like this is new or surprising.


But can you pull the mask of the ole Lone Ranger?
 
2013-01-23 04:46:37 PM  
Shouldn't the bison be allowed to read the bill before the shooting starts?
 
2013-01-23 04:46:52 PM  
Note to self: Never step foot on any property that man owns. He's likely to try to rape you.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:02 PM  
Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:06 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.
 
2013-01-23 04:47:49 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Note to self: Never step foot on any property that man owns. He's likely to try to rape you.


No, no, no. He only rapes Buffalo. He shoots and eats people silly.
 
2013-01-23 04:48:29 PM  
"What do you want for your 76th birthday grandpa?"

I want a box of mac and cheese and you farkers to leave me along for one goddamned day.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Shut up and don't shoot bison, dumbass.


If the animal is being a nuisance and seriously tearing up stuff you might have a legitimate reason to put the animal down, but if you do make sure you use the meat--buffalo is just good eats. Otherwise, I'm inclined to agree here.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:12 PM  
I'm just happy people are finally referring to the animal properly as a "bison" and not a "buffalo".
 
2013-01-23 04:50:16 PM  
Whooping crane: Roasted or grilled?
 
2013-01-23 04:50:19 PM  

minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.


That is brought up in the article.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:39 PM  

jonny_q: "What do you want for your 76th birthday grandpa?"

I want a box of mac and cheese and you farkers to leave me along for one goddamned day.


Wrong thread, chucklefark.
 
2013-01-23 04:50:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.


Hey, it's my property.  And those toddlers are my children.

If I want to rape them, that's my business.

STOP OPPRESSING ME!!1!
 
2013-01-23 04:50:57 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

it was self defense
 
2013-01-23 04:51:59 PM  
I'm sure he would agree that he has no right to stop me from building a 24-hour tire fire next to his house as long as it's on my property.
 
2013-01-23 04:55:29 PM  
brap: Bald Eagle, it's what's for lunch.

Too stringy. I prefer Spotted Owl, basted and slow cooked to perfection.
 
2013-01-23 04:57:05 PM  
Seems fair to me as long as we give guns to the bison and train it to shoot back.
 
2013-01-23 04:57:18 PM  
It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass
 
2013-01-23 04:57:34 PM  

nexxus: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

I suppose you're right: it *is* better to tell people what they can and can't do, generally. At gun point.


Please stop this fallacy that all laws (regarding taxin, shootin, and moonshinin') are enforced at 'gun point'. It is dated and absurd.

Yes I get the point that the Executive had the power to arrest you (usually as part or after some form of due process... offer exempt when brown, Muslim or both).

See the problem is you stop too early. Lets say you did rebuff the authority of Government and toss off those oppressive chains of the Usurper in Chief. And lets say a bunch of people followed you as well, leading to a wide spread uprising that threatened the full might of the United States military.

Well, you'd have more than guns pointing at you. You'd also have rockets, incendiary bombs, EMPs, tanks, helo, jets and much other assorted military weaponry. At ultimately, if things got really, really dicey, you'd have thermonuclear devices pointed at you.

So if you are going with laws are enforced at the point of the gun, you need to own.

Laws enforced by threat of nuclear strike.

So in many ways a reasonable person will now agree that being stopped from shooting protected bison on your own land is just like being in Nagasaki when the bomb fell. No difference.
 
2013-01-23 04:59:54 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: minoridiot: Don't the bison up there have a problem with brucellosis? I could see where people might want to keep them off of their property.

That is brought up in the article.


I should have read further, but I had a hard time wading throught the posturing in the first couple of paragraphs.
 
2013-01-23 05:03:57 PM  
So we're corralling our kids and letting dangerous animals run free

www.freewebs.com
 
2013-01-23 05:04:38 PM  

ha-ha-guy: It seems like you could have a moderate solution here. First off the state clearly needs a better bison management plan given that half of them are sick and they need to build protective barriers at school bus stops. That said, letting random people shoot at them is not a management plan.

There should be a law where if the bison is just passing through it is immune. Whereas if it is engaged in active destruction of a fence line or something of that nature, you can shoot it. I've seen deer laws based on how the deer is fair game if it is the "maintained" section of your property. As in I own 8 acres but only maintain about 1.25 acres as a lawn. So wild animals on the lawn area are fair game. The same deer dorking around in the brush is not fair game. Basically if my kids are playing in the sandbox and some hyper aggressive buck comes onto my lawn during mating season, we'll be having venison.

Basically if the animals are roaming so freely they're coming up to houses you need some form of a shoot/don't shoot guideline at the very least.

/as for spooking horses, train your horses better dumbass


Problem is, the county doesn't have the authority to boot the park service into managing the bison more effectively. Sure, they can 'request' that the park service do more, and the park service will say "Sure we'll get right on that" the same as they've been saying for 20 years. This is similar to the Arizona illegal immigrant law: They're taking the authority to handle the problem onto themselves because those currently responsible for handling the problem don't answer to and have expressed that they don't care about those the problem is affecting.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:17 PM  
This guy needs to get his ass whupped by natives on "his" property.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:18 PM  
yes, please send me the bison meat. thank you.
 
2013-01-23 05:09:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Bit'O'Gristle: Really? So in your little world, a guy is not under any laws at all while he is on his property? He can just do anything he wants? With no fear of law enforcement on a state or federal level? Wow..the derp is thick with this one.

Hey, it's my property.  And those toddlers are my children.

If I want to rape them, that's my business.

STOP OPPRESSING ME!!1!


/Heh...i remember many times as a LEO, that i would chase some drunken idiot in his car, he would pull into his driveway, jump out, and say "TADA...IM IN MY YARD..LOLZ...YOU CANT TOUCH ME". Um..ya..they would be all butt hurt and full of ire when you would tell them that castle doctrine doesn't apply when you break the law and the cops are right behind you.
 
2013-01-23 05:13:42 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?



Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.
 
2013-01-23 05:15:20 PM  

ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hmmm...lessee...

Rep. Alan Doane, R

I'm guessing, no. Drink, smoke, shoot, fark little boys...all ok, but there are some freedoms we should not have.
 
2013-01-23 05:16:09 PM  
Well, if the wolves hadn't all been eradicated, they would have kept the numbers of the bison in check as well as culled the diseased ones, leaving the rest of the population healthy. But man, in his infinite wisdom, comes in and farks everything up then wonders why everything is going bonkers.
 
2013-01-23 05:16:16 PM  
I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."
 
2013-01-23 05:17:11 PM  

UberDave: ricewater_stool: Does that include starting a marijuana plantation on your own land?


Hell, try installing your own septic system on your own land any way you like.


I would suggest open pit sewage containment. It's much cheaper than a complicated septic system.
 
2013-01-23 05:17:46 PM  
Just get this guy to take care of it:

theawesomer.com

And for your viewing pleasure!
 
2013-01-23 05:18:19 PM  
Disapproves.
Link
 
2013-01-23 05:19:14 PM  
I dunno, I'm more inclined to root for the bison here.

F*ck your stupid property "rights."


Awww, don't have any property? Too bad, it's awesome!!
 
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