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(New York Daily News)   NYPD to deploy new, portable high-tech devices that can scan people walking down the street for concealed weapons   (nydailynews.com) divider line 334
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2013-01-23 12:49:55 PM  
In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.
 
2013-01-23 12:56:02 PM  

WalkingCarpet: In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.


The Supreme Court has already ruled that warrantless use of thermal imaging cameras when used to see if a house is emitting too much heat (indicating a grow operation) is a 4th Amendment violation. Does the NYPD really think the warrantless use of terahertz scanning technology to detect metal items hidden in people's clothing is constitutional?
 
2013-01-23 01:01:51 PM  
Not only that but this is what they're going to base stopping and frisking someone on?

assets.nydailynews.com

Sure it's kind of a crappy lo-res pic but just because something's in the shape of a gun doesn't mean it's a gun.

Unless I'm missing something with this technology.

And if they're going to frisk someone that they think has a concealed weapon you can bet it's not going to be a "Hello sir, how is your day going?  Mind if we ask you a few questions?" kind of a stop.
 
2013-01-23 01:37:06 PM  
What are the health risks associated with this type of device? Has this been researched?
 
2013-01-23 02:39:35 PM  

AbbeySomeone: What are the health risks associated with this type of device? Has this been researched?


Pretty sure it's the same risk as a Directional Wireless antenna. That is to say none. It looks like a passive scanning system.

WalkingCarpet: Not only that but this is what they're going to base stopping and frisking someone on?


Your assumption is that they're going to use it to base stops and frisks on, and not have a heads up on whether someone they're stopping for another reason has a weapon.
 
2013-01-23 02:44:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Your assumption is that they're going to use it to base stops and frisks on, and not have a heads up on whether someone they're stopping for another reason has a weapon.


Yep.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/nypd_can_temporarily_continue_uncons ti tutional_stop_and_frisks/
 
2013-01-23 02:46:27 PM  

AbbeySomeone: What are the health risks associated with this type of device?


Greatly increased risk of Sudden Non-White Death Syndrome, for one.

And for another, press releases that read something like this:
"The device indicated that the subject may have been carrying a high-power firearm. The risk to our officers was too great, so they had to eliminate the perceived threat before it could become a real threat."
whenever the NYPD puts a litterer or a jaywalker down like a rabid dog.
 
2013-01-23 02:46:42 PM  
BUT IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE IT WILL BE WORTH IT AM I RIGHT GUYS?
 
2013-01-23 02:47:15 PM  

impaler: BronyMedic: Your assumption is that they're going to use it to base stops and frisks on, and not have a heads up on whether someone they're stopping for another reason has a weapon.

Yep.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/nypd_can_temporarily_continue_uncons ti tutional_stop_and_frisks/


Ah. So marksmanship isn't the only thing crappy at the NYPD.
 
2013-01-23 02:47:18 PM  
Those tinfoil hats aren't looking so crazy now, eh folks?
 
2013-01-23 02:48:07 PM  

King Something: AbbeySomeone: What are the health risks associated with this type of device?

Greatly increased risk of Sudden Non-White Death Syndrome, for one.

And for another, press releases that read something like this:
"The device indicated that the subject may have been carrying a high-power firearm. The risk to our officers was too great, so they had to eliminate the perceived threat before it could become a real threat."
whenever the NYPD puts a litterer or a jaywalker down like a rabid dog.


Well, if they're not white, doesn't that mean that it's only 3/5ths a tragedy?

/historical joke is antique.
 
2013-01-23 03:04:00 PM  

impaler: BronyMedic: Your assumption is that they're going to use it to base stops and frisks on, and not have a heads up on whether someone they're stopping for another reason has a weapon.

Yep.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/nypd_can_temporarily_continue_uncons ti tutional_stop_and_frisks/


That may be the most vile and disgusting headline I've read today.
 
2013-01-23 03:05:21 PM  

King Something: AbbeySomeone: What are the health risks associated with this type of device?

Greatly increased risk of Sudden Non-White Death Syndrome, for one.

And for another, press releases that read something like this:
"The device indicated that the subject may have been carrying a high-power firearm. The risk to our officers was too great, so they had to eliminate the perceived threat before it could become a real threat."
whenever the NYPD puts a litterer or a jaywalker down like a rabid dog.


Just realized a third risk:

Combining the first two risks with the NYPD's extreme hatred of Occupiers:
"The scanners indicated that several protesters may have been carrying concealed firearms and their behavior indicated they were about to brandish their weapons and open fire. Our officers' orders were to maintain the peace at the protests and defend themselves with any amount of force they deemed necessary, including deadly force; they were not sent in as an execution squad or to quell a civilian uprising of people protesting against the NYPD's most generous donors, our officers were just following orders.

"The fact that well over 95% of the dozens of persons killed in the crossfire and 85% of the thousands arrested were black or Hispanic is purely coincidental; there was a white male among the deceased and not all white arrestees were released without charges, so the NAACP, the ACLU and other civil rights groups claiming this was a case of ethnic cleansing are the real racists."
 
2013-01-23 03:12:18 PM  
Pic of said hi-tech devices:

s9.postimage.org
 
2013-01-23 03:39:57 PM  
This is why I will immediately begin taping the phrase "fark the NYPD" in aluminum foil on my ass prior to leaving the house.
 
2013-01-23 03:41:53 PM  

Ennuipoet: This is why I will immediately begin taping the phrase "fark the NYPD" in aluminum foil on my ass prior to leaving the house.


Well, I for one am proud of your commitment to combatting homophobia in such a manner. Even if I don't really like Party Rock.
 
2013-01-23 03:43:14 PM  

WalkingCarpet: In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.


Innocent? Innocent of what?
 
2013-01-23 03:43:59 PM  
www.wired.com

/see you at the party Richter.
 
2013-01-23 03:44:40 PM  
Well I feel safer now.
 
2013-01-23 03:44:46 PM  
majorleaguesoccertalk.com
 
2013-01-23 03:46:06 PM  
that's ok, I wasn't using my freedom anyways.  I wonder if you can sterilize people with this thing?  crank it up, zap sperm from 10 meters out and go cruising around the streets with it.
 
2013-01-23 03:46:42 PM  
I'll bet the same New Yorkers that support this device are the same people that have a problem with Sheriff Joe asking folks immigration status. both essentially the same, but one uses tech and another uses common sense. See gun, stop, frisk and ask for CHL license. See hispanic in border area breaking some law, stop, ask for residency license.
 
2013-01-23 03:47:18 PM  
assets.nydailynews.com

I love how they use a black guy in the demo. Racist much?
 
2013-01-23 03:47:22 PM  
Why exactly is NYC so authoritarian? How can you elect Guiliani and Bloomberg back to back? At least a place like San Francisco, which has some zany laws, is still a chill liberal city that doesn't treat it's citizens like prisoners. I mean, is that racist stop and frisk program still happening? Can you still get arrested for marijuana possession? Can a New Yorker explain what the deal is? Reminds me of France, a supposed liberal land that has some messed up, draconian laws (ie weird detainment rules and a strong anti-drug stance).
 
2013-01-23 03:47:41 PM  
get your ass to mars
 
2013-01-23 03:47:57 PM  
When I read something in a gun thread that is in all caps I automatically translate it in my head to I HAVE NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION BUT FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.  I also picture people in the politics threads as kittens chasing balls of yarn.  It helps me get through the day.
 
2013-01-23 03:48:38 PM  
Well, glad that by the time I'm old enough for a metal hip they'll be using mostly polymers.

Albeit "gunned down by the cops due to misunderstanding over joint replacement" would be a much cooler obituary than something boring like "old guy dies of cancer", so actually...
 
2013-01-23 03:49:22 PM  
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HELP, MY RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED!!!!
 
2013-01-23 03:49:27 PM  
Sales of a new product to skyrocket. Its a piece of metal in a gun shape. Used to harass the fark out of the police scanners and the more skilled individuals can place it into unsuspecting peoples pockets or purses.

/Oh the bump and stuff(opposite of the bump and pull) on the subway is going to be that much more fun.
 
2013-01-23 03:49:34 PM  

Rincewind53: WalkingCarpet: In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that warrantless use of thermal imaging cameras when used to see if a house is emitting too much heat (indicating a grow operation) is a 4th Amendment violation. Does the NYPD really think the warrantless use of terahertz scanning technology to detect metal items hidden in people's clothing is constitutional?


The NYPD doesn't really care what any authority other than the Mayor of New York says.
 
2013-01-23 03:50:31 PM  
We should have invaded New York instead of Iraq.

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"
 
2013-01-23 03:50:32 PM  
Everyone should start carrying L shaped metal plates
 
2013-01-23 03:51:09 PM  

Weaver95: that's ok, I wasn't using my freedom anyways. I wonder if you can sterilize people with this thing? crank it up, zap sperm from 10 meters out and go cruising around the streets with it.


It appears to be a passive device, like a thermal imaging camera but looking at a different section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The privacy concerns are valid, but the only health risk is an indirect one from high-velocity lead poisoning.
 
2013-01-23 03:51:10 PM  

russsssman: I'll bet the same New Yorkers that support this device are the same people that have a problem with Sheriff Joe asking folks immigration status. both essentially the same, but one uses tech and another uses common sense. See gun, stop, frisk and ask for CHL license. See hispanic in border area breaking some law, stop, ask for residency license.


You know things are nutty when Sheriff Joe is cited as a bastion of common sense.
 
2013-01-23 03:52:18 PM  

WalkingCarpet: And if they're going to frisk someone that they think has a concealed weapon you can bet it's not going to be a "Hello sir, how is your day going?  Mind if we ask you a few questions?" kind of a stop.


Depending on what neighborhood you're in, you weren't going to get those kinds of stops anyway.
 
2013-01-23 03:52:33 PM  

BronyMedic: Ah. So marksmanship isn't the only thing crappy at the NYPD.


They have found a way to abuse every right a citizen will ever have, and are researching even more abuse. You can't sit on your front step any more without getting a summons.

Marquis de Sod: Innocent? Innocent of what?


Everything under the sun until the cops can provide a valid reason for a search. The technology in tfa IS a search, not a reason for one.
 
2013-01-23 03:52:34 PM  

Rincewind53: WalkingCarpet: In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that warrantless use of thermal imaging cameras when used to see if a house is emitting too much heat (indicating a grow operation) is a 4th Amendment violation. Does the NYPD really think the warrantless use of terahertz scanning technology to detect metal items hidden in people's clothing is constitutional?


Yeah in light of the ruling the feds just laid down about the program, I think this will go nowhere.
 
2013-01-23 03:53:41 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Weaver95: that's ok, I wasn't using my freedom anyways. I wonder if you can sterilize people with this thing? crank it up, zap sperm from 10 meters out and go cruising around the streets with it.

It appears to be a passive device, like a thermal imaging camera but looking at a different section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The privacy concerns are valid, but the only health risk is an indirect one from high-velocity lead poisoning.


well that takes all the fun out of it.  I wonder if there's a way to manufacture underwear that'd scramble the scanner?
 
2013-01-23 03:54:44 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-23 03:54:46 PM  
I hope the pics are put out to the public
/Can't wait to see what people are sticking up their but, being New Yorkers and all
 
2013-01-23 03:55:02 PM  
Not to make this a gun argument (I know, too late) but it is the very mindset that rabidly encroaches on what many may call their Second Amendment Rights that feels that citizens really have no rights whatsoever.
 
2013-01-23 03:55:26 PM  

King Something: King Something: AbbeySomeone: What are the health risks associated with this type of device?

Greatly increased risk of Sudden Non-White Death Syndrome, for one.

And for another, press releases that read something like this:
"The device indicated that the subject may have been carrying a high-power firearm. The risk to our officers was too great, so they had to eliminate the perceived threat before it could become a real threat."
whenever the NYPD puts a litterer or a jaywalker down like a rabid dog.

Just realized a third risk:

Combining the first two risks with the NYPD's extreme hatred of Occupiers:
"The scanners indicated that several protesters may have been carrying concealed firearms and their behavior indicated they were about to brandish their weapons and open fire. Our officers' orders were to maintain the peace at the protests and defend themselves with any amount of force they deemed necessary, including deadly force; they were not sent in as an execution squad or to quell a civilian uprising of people protesting against the NYPD's most generous donors, our officers were just following orders.

"The fact that well over 95% of the dozens of persons killed in the crossfire and 85% of the thousands arrested were black or Hispanic is purely coincidental; there was a white male among the deceased and not all white arrestees were released without charges, so the NAACP, the ACLU and other civil rights groups claiming this was a case of ethnic cleansing are the real racists."


Thats there is a whole lot of "all whites are racists" butthurt, man. Don't you know the three most beautiful words in the english language are "I forgive you"? Stop perpetuating that ridiculous victim mindset and get on with your life.
 
2013-01-23 03:56:39 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I hope the pics are put out to the public
/Can't wait to see what people are sticking up their but, being New Yorkers and all


I dunno man, you have to walk a lot in NYC. It's no so easy with things up your butt, take my word for it.
 
2013-01-23 03:56:41 PM  

Marquis de Sod: WalkingCarpet: In other news, false arrests and harassment of innocent civilians to increase by a brazillion percent.

Innocent? Innocent of what?


Nothing.
They've broken a law, we just have to figure out which one.

/And they can cool their heels in the lockup till we do.
 
2013-01-23 03:56:42 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I hope the pics are put out to the public
/Can't wait to see what people are sticking up their but, being New Yorkers and all


Congratulations and stay strong, admitting one is curious is the first step to coming out of the closet.
 
2013-01-23 03:57:30 PM  

Weaver95: Ivo Shandor: Weaver95: that's ok, I wasn't using my freedom anyways. I wonder if you can sterilize people with this thing? crank it up, zap sperm from 10 meters out and go cruising around the streets with it.

It appears to be a passive device, like a thermal imaging camera but looking at a different section of the electromagnetic spectrum. The privacy concerns are valid, but the only health risk is an indirect one from high-velocity lead poisoning.

well that takes all the fun out of it.  I wonder if there's a way to manufacture underwear that'd scramble the scanner?


Most high freq scanners won't penetrate metal mesh, or tin foil...


Did I really just use my tinfoil hat kung fu in a practical manner?... In regard to the government trying to scan me? Holy shiat, maybe I'm not crazy!
 
2013-01-23 03:57:43 PM  
A new scan-inhibiting clothing line is launched in 3, 2, ....

So, will they stop and frisk anyone they can't get a clear scan on? Would that be probable cause?
 
2013-01-23 03:57:47 PM  

russsssman: I'll bet the same New Yorkers that support this device are the same people that have a problem with Sheriff Joe asking folks immigration status. both essentially the same, but one uses tech and another uses common sense. See gun, stop, frisk and ask for CHL license. See hispanic in border area breaking some law, stop, ask for residency license.


Concealed handgun licenses in New York are reserved for wealthy individuals with connections to politicians. Such individuals are already exempted from police searches for any reason.
 
2013-01-23 03:57:54 PM  
And a rash of new plastic guns hit the market in 3, 2, 1...
 
2013-01-23 03:57:57 PM  
NYPD has something like 35,000 officers. That's bigger than the population of a lot of small towns. There should be an independent 50-member force that arrests NYPD officers for violating people's rights.
 
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