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2013-01-23 11:43:03 AM
I cast MAGIC MISSILE!

/never played DnD, but love that skit based on it.
 
2013-01-23 11:47:55 AM
Not old enough for anything before 1E, but most of my fondest memories are from 2nd Ed.
 
2013-01-23 11:48:36 AM
www.squaremans.com
 
2013-01-23 11:52:04 AM
If you're really a nerd, this book is a cool read about the history of D&D http://playingattheworld.blogspot.com/
 
2013-01-23 11:53:25 AM
as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.
 
2013-01-23 11:55:01 AM
No Dark Sun products? So much for "every."
 
2013-01-23 11:59:58 AM

kronicfeld: No Dark Sun products? So much for "every."


I hated dark sun.  that said, WoTC said they'll eventually put everything back up online but that it'll take some time to get it all together and presentable.  this batch was merely the first...and drivethrurpg.com slagged their servers about 10 min after even this amount of stuff was posted.
 
2013-01-23 12:04:25 PM

kronicfeld: No Dark Sun products? So much for "every."


Story says not "every" version is available just yet, but will be eventually. I'm not big on complex tabletop games like this, but meh, have enough friends who are, may try it.

/Will demand I get to cast magic missile while eating cheetohs and have mountain dew at my side.
 
2013-01-23 12:12:09 PM

kronicfeld: No Dark Sun products? So much for "every."


If you really must nitpick -where is my Gamma World? As the original DM Guide had an entire chapter about blending AD&D with Gamma World. (Thundarr was very popular at the time).

That very same chapter (or perhaps the chapter after it) also mentioned having Wars using Swords and Sorcery rules)...

www.blackgate.com
 
2013-01-23 12:27:04 PM
I hope they get around to posing the original Eberron stuff.  it wasn't for everyone but I liked the product line. damn shame WoTC up and abandoned it.  I think it had serious potential.
 
2013-01-23 12:46:31 PM

Weaver95: as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.


I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.
 
2013-01-23 12:56:02 PM
ekdikeo4:
I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.

...and they were dragged kicking and screaming into online sales.  i'll say this as well - 5 years ago when WoTC ordered their online partners to yank their products offline, within 3 days or so I saw D&D torrents that had been dead for years suddenly being seeded like crazy.
 
2013-01-23 01:24:22 PM
Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!
 
2013-01-23 01:28:44 PM
Before?
 
2013-01-23 01:29:57 PM
http://www.earwolf.com/show/nerd-poker/

I don't know much about D&D outside of this podcast, which is the shiat
 
2013-01-23 01:29:59 PM
Are the elves green?
 
2013-01-23 01:30:18 PM

Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!


LOLth
 
2013-01-23 01:30:19 PM
I never got into D&D until I played the Apple II version of Wizardry.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-23 01:33:17 PM

strangeluck: I cast MAGIC MISSILE!

/never played DnD, but love that skit based on it.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/also liked to cast magic missile, to attack the dark
 
2013-01-23 01:34:58 PM

strangeluck: I cast MAGIC MISSILE!

/never played DnD, but love that skit based on it.


Link
 
2013-01-23 01:36:12 PM

Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!


Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder
 
2013-01-23 01:36:27 PM
I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing
 
2013-01-23 01:37:26 PM
Is there SpellJammer? Because it's not like I don't have a complete pdf copy of the entire inventory from 10 years ago, but...I might consider paying for better copies. (also, I think there's 1 missing module that NO ONE ever had)
 
2013-01-23 01:39:37 PM
Woot!

Headin' back to Greyhawk. Haven't been in a campaign there since 1983.
 
2013-01-23 01:39:56 PM
I was worried about what I would do when I retire. Looks like moving to Colorado and becoming a professional DM is it!

/Colorado so I can smoke weed
 
2013-01-23 01:40:06 PM
justcomedies.com
 
2013-01-23 01:40:21 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing


I lost my virginity in spite of D&D.
 
2013-01-23 01:41:45 PM

Weaver95: .it's far far too little and very late to the table.




Booooooo!
 
2013-01-23 01:41:50 PM
OSRIC
Swords & Wizardry
Labyrinth Lord
Pathfinder
Dark Dungeons
Dungeon Crawl Classics

Yeah, I'm fine, so no thanks.

/WotC won't see one dime from me.
//grognard
 
2013-01-23 01:42:55 PM

Hagbardr: Before?


This.
 
2013-01-23 01:44:03 PM

WhippingBoy: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity in spite of D&D.


Ah, so you're the flip side of the coin!

www.spscriptorium.com
 
2013-01-23 01:44:24 PM
Marc W. Miller, the holder of the copyright to the Traveller Science-Fiction RPG catalog, did this years ago. In fact I'm pretty sure he's still doing it.

If you are interested...
 
2013-01-23 01:44:41 PM
you nerds use paper and pen?? i'm a LARPER and we do it in real life
 
2013-01-23 01:45:11 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.squaremans.com image 390x585]


Isn't Arneson the guy we had a thread about a couple of days ago? The nonce who founded Dragon-con and was recently re-arrested? Or am I just accidentally smearing an innocent man due to my lack of knowledge concerning Dungeons and Dragons?
 
2013-01-23 01:46:18 PM
Silly subby. People who play Dungeons and Dragons don't' ever lose their virginity.
 
2013-01-23 01:46:46 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing


I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.
 
2013-01-23 01:46:49 PM
I got into the Fark Pathfinder game and have become readdicted to RPG's.
 
2013-01-23 01:50:49 PM
Have they finally balanced the Armor Class issue?
manteresting.com
chapleau.us
extralives.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-23 01:51:18 PM

gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.


Are you sure? Not that it was your virginity, but that it was actually a "chick".
 
2013-01-23 01:53:42 PM
Those who know every version of Dungeons & Dragons from back then still have not lost their virginity
 
2013-01-23 01:54:21 PM

NotSoFunkyPhantom: Because People in power are Stupid: [www.squaremans.com image 390x585]

Isn't Arneson the guy we had a thread about a couple of days ago? The nonce who founded Dragon-con and was recently re-arrested? Or am I just accidentally smearing an innocent man due to my lack of knowledge concerning Dungeons and Dragons?


Dave Arneson was the co-founder with Gary Gygax of TSR (Tactical Studies Rules), and co-writer of both the regular and advanced versions of 1st Edition. Arneson died April 7, 2009 at the age of 62; Gygax preceded him by 13 months. TSR was acquired by Wizards of the Coast in 1997; WotC was snapped up by current parent Hasbro in 1998.
 
2013-01-23 01:55:08 PM

Weaver95: I hope they get around to posing the original Eberron stuff.  it wasn't for everyone but I liked the product line. damn shame WoTC up and abandoned it.  I think it had serious potential.


I have a lot of the 3.5 books but never actually got to play in the setting other than some of the PC games based on it (Dragonshard & DDO). I agree it had a lot of potential, and I think it is still a viable setting, but WOTC has committed most resources to either "standard" Greyhawk setting or Forgotten Realms.
 
2013-01-23 01:55:17 PM
Interesting. It is great being a nerd-dad.

My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

He has tried to create his own RPG's (actually came up with some cool concepts on his own).

We just recently started in with the Iron Kingdoms RPG (I already play WarMachine).
 
2013-01-23 01:55:26 PM

WhippingBoy: gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.

Are you sure? Not that it was your virginity, but that it was actually a "chick".


Yup.  A 10th level half-elf thief, and with an 18 charisma to boot.  My buddy Bob ran the charac-...

Oh.  Oh God.

Oh God NO.

*shudder*
 
2013-01-23 01:55:34 PM

NotSoFunkyPhantom: Because People in power are Stupid: [www.squaremans.com image 390x585]

Isn't Arneson the guy we had a thread about a couple of days ago? The nonce who founded Dragon-con and was recently re-arrested? Or am I just accidentally smearing an innocent man due to my lack of knowledge concerning Dungeons and Dragons?


Ah, never mind. Looked it up. His name was Ed Kramer.
 
2013-01-23 01:56:31 PM

SnakeLee: http://www.earwolf.com/show/nerd-poker/

I don't know much about D&D outside of this podcast, which is the shiat


Came to say THIS

/Ell Ryan the naked Shaman and his Spirit Bear FTW
 
2013-01-23 01:57:19 PM

moos: Are the elves green?


Yes, and they keep shooting the food.
 
2013-01-23 01:57:48 PM
site is farked.
 
2013-01-23 01:58:42 PM
I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...
 
2013-01-23 02:04:50 PM
i wish i had taken notes while managing a comic book shop for nearly 10 years. the constant regaling of DnD sessions because friendless virgins know you are a captive audience was truly an epic experience. my well of patience and ability to not snap and go postal are endless now. pity and rage battled it out every day as to how to handle them. they need a version of survivor for that. Survivor: Local Gaming Shop (circa 1995) would be worth watching.

one of my favorite customer quotes: "Don't pick a fight in a comic book store. Everyone there has had at least a month of martial arts classes."
 
2013-01-23 02:06:33 PM

Weaver95: paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.


this both sounds cool and useless. back in my day (adjusts onion), we never used maps or really any visual aids. he just described stuff and pictured it. sometimes we used the dice to portyray some characters' location for combat... the DM might have a map, but, unless those goofballs were cartographers and cared their own supplies, nobody else was seeing it.
 
2013-01-23 02:06:35 PM

ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest


Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.
 
2013-01-23 02:11:15 PM

pute kisses like a man: Weaver95: paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

this both sounds cool and useless. back in my day (adjusts onion), we never used maps or really any visual aids. he just described stuff and pictured it. sometimes we used the dice to portyray some characters' location for combat... the DM might have a map, but, unless those goofballs were cartographers and cared their own supplies, nobody else was seeing it.


My DM's have been using Maptools and Skype. Which was going really well...until I updated Java, now maptools is being pissy.
 
2013-01-23 02:11:26 PM
photos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

"Cmon, daddy needs a new sword of wounding."
/biggest pic i could find
 
2013-01-23 02:12:03 PM

pute kisses like a man: Weaver95: paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

this both sounds cool and useless. back in my day (adjusts onion), we never used maps or really any visual aids. he just described stuff and pictured it. sometimes we used the dice to portyray some characters' location for combat... the DM might have a map, but, unless those goofballs were cartographers and cared their own supplies, nobody else was seeing it.


I've found that using maps and figures helps keep people focused on the game.  for example., i'm using ship models to run my pirate campaign.  it helps the players map out their naval combat strategy ahead of time.
 
2013-01-23 02:13:36 PM

CygnusDarius: Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!

Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder


* Internet fist-bump *

I've checked out the Paizo merchandise too, and it looks pretty good. Too bad all of my gaming is of the MMO variety these days....


/ less time to create and run a campaign ( RL work)
// lost touch with most of my old RPG crowd over the years...
/// most of my current friends & acquaintances would have no interest in this stuff...
 
2013-01-23 02:15:23 PM

give me doughnuts: Woot!

Headin' back to Greyhawk. Haven't been in a campaign there since 1983.


Heck, most of my campaigns are set in Greyhawk. But then, I'm old.
 
2013-01-23 02:15:57 PM

gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.


easyquestion.net

/bonus, mine was a redhead
//sigh, the good old days
 
2013-01-23 02:16:24 PM
Pity there's no Spelljammer up yet, but they've got Planescape, which is awesome.
 
2013-01-23 02:18:20 PM

SnakeLee: http://www.earwolf.com/show/nerd-poker/

I don't know much about D&D outside of this podcast, which is the shiat


I discovered this podcast the other day. Freaking great stuff. I found it strange that it took so long to fill this niche. Based on my very brief trist with DnD myself, I laughed my ass off.
 
2013-01-23 02:19:22 PM
Wizards of the Coast -- Our Motto:"We Hope These PDFs Keep Us Relevant Until We Can Get D&D Next/5e Out The Door"
 
2013-01-23 02:19:45 PM

likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.


Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.
 
2013-01-23 02:23:51 PM

The Flexecutioner: [photos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 180x136]

"Cmon, daddy needs a new sword of wounding."
/biggest pic i could find


That looks like lone gunmen?
 
2013-01-23 02:24:13 PM
I used to play, until we realized that nobody wants to be the DM ("It's like you're playing, except you're actually not!") and RPing on some level, which we agreed is really just playing make-believe like grade schoolers, is unavoidable. What we wanted was a tactical squad-based tabletop 'rpg' (in the sense of character building, advancement over time, equipment management, etc). And then everyone went to college and it didn't matter.

We should have gotten a hold of Warhammer Quest.
 
2013-01-23 02:24:56 PM
Weaver95: While I agree with your position in general, remember that by the time WoTC started screwing their pooch with 4e, they were owned by Hasbro. It was Hasbro that forced them to make 4e and drop the OGL concept as well as every move that has destroyed the face value of the D&D property.
 
2013-01-23 02:30:16 PM

JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.


Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.
 
2013-01-23 02:30:27 PM

sniderman: Wizards of the Coast -- Our Motto:"We Hope These PDFs Keep Us Relevant Until We Can Get D&D Next/5e Out The Door"


Around my LGS we've noticed FFG taking a greater share of the market, which is cool. They have high quality products, despite the occasional quality control problem (and an utterly terrible slow website).

And of course Paizo.
 
2013-01-23 02:30:33 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: The Flexecutioner: [photos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 180x136]

"Cmon, daddy needs a new sword of wounding."
/biggest pic i could find

That looks like lone gunmen?


yeah, from an xfiles episode.
 
2013-01-23 02:31:40 PM
If you like PDF D&D books, here's my Monstrous Tome II: Book of Beings book over at Dragonsfoot.  100+ 1E monsters, all illustrated.
 
2013-01-23 02:32:09 PM
Why did I have any expectation that these would be free downloads?
 
2013-01-23 02:32:26 PM

RanDomino: I used to play, until we realized that nobody wants to be the DM ("It's like you're playing, except you're actually not!") and RPing on some level, which we agreed is really just playing make-believe like grade schoolers, is unavoidable. What we wanted was a tactical squad-based tabletop 'rpg' (in the sense of character building, advancement over time, equipment management, etc). And then everyone went to college and it didn't matter.

We should have gotten a hold of Warhammer Quest.


Love that game!

/no I don't wasn't to go back to town. It's safer down here in this dungeon full of monsters.
 
2013-01-23 02:34:09 PM

KingsleyZisou: RanDomino: I used to play, until we realized that nobody wants to be the DM ("It's like you're playing, except you're actually not!") and RPing on some level, which we agreed is really just playing make-believe like grade schoolers, is unavoidable. What we wanted was a tactical squad-based tabletop 'rpg' (in the sense of character building, advancement over time, equipment management, etc). And then everyone went to college and it didn't matter.

We should have gotten a hold of Warhammer Quest.

Love that game!

/no I don't wasn't to go back to town. It's safer down here in this dungeon full of monsters.


We've been playing this to fill that niche.
 
2013-01-23 02:35:51 PM

ekdikeo4: Weaver95: as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.

I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.


Two things (in reverse order of what you said):
First, Magic the Gathering became a hit largely because of the internet. Yes, there was an internet before the world-wide-web, before the eternal September when AOL linked to the internet, and most college students were on it (possibly requiring a NeXT machine to make it easy). Hopefully WoTC execs understand this (I'm not betting on it, and I'm sure turnover especially after a buyout is high).

Second, once Gary Gygax was forced out you could say the same things about the CEO during the second edition AD&D era. Things were going downhill rather badly until WoTC bought them out.
 
2013-01-23 02:36:03 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: WhippingBoy: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity in spite of D&D.

Ah, so you're the flip side of the coin!

[www.spscriptorium.com image 340x271]


Yep. Bring your copy of "Keep on the Borderlands" to the next convention, and I'll sign it for you.
 
2013-01-23 02:39:09 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: KingsleyZisou: RanDomino: I used to play, until we realized that nobody wants to be the DM ("It's like you're playing, except you're actually not!") and RPing on some level, which we agreed is really just playing make-believe like grade schoolers, is unavoidable. What we wanted was a tactical squad-based tabletop 'rpg' (in the sense of character building, advancement over time, equipment management, etc). And then everyone went to college and it didn't matter.

We should have gotten a hold of Warhammer Quest.

Love that game!

/no I don't wasn't to go back to town. It's safer down here in this dungeon full of monsters.

We've been playing this to fill that niche.


That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

/nobody talk about Mordheim that game pisses on my dreams regularly
//so I don't play it anymore :(
 
2013-01-23 02:39:49 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Weaver95: While I agree with your position in general, remember that by the time WoTC started screwing their pooch with 4e, they were owned by Hasbro. It was Hasbro that forced them to make 4e and drop the OGL concept as well as every move that has destroyed the face value of the D&D property.


oh I know there was corporate bullshiat going on behind the scenes.  that still doesn't excuse the fact that WoTC was being run by someone who had no idea how to sell D&D to D&D gamer nerds.  think about that for a moment and ponder what that implies about the corporate idiot Hasboro put in charge of WoTC.
 
2013-01-23 02:41:53 PM
Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?
 
2013-01-23 02:42:37 PM

Weaver95: I hope they get around to posing the original Eberron stuff.  it wasn't for everyone but I liked the product line. damn shame WoTC up and abandoned it.  I think it had serious potential.


[notsureifserious.jpg]

Magic trains and dinosaurs, dude.
 
2013-01-23 02:43:07 PM

Weaver95: WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.


Yeah, Paizo really has the whole digital distribution thing worked out. I buy physical copies of all their hardback "big" releases, and PDFs of the little 36 page supplements. They also have an extremely expansive SRD, which is endlessly useful. WoTC needs to use them as a model for ensuring customer loyalty.
 
2013-01-23 02:43:52 PM

Mr. Cat Poop: Why did I have any expectation that these would be free downloads?


At one time, there was a 40GB download of virtually every mainstream RPG and supplement floating around on torrent sites. If you seriously just wanted to look, it's already out there.
 
2013-01-23 02:43:58 PM

KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.


How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.
 
2013-01-23 02:46:17 PM

JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...


HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.
 
2013-01-23 02:46:41 PM

JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...


Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.
 
2013-01-23 02:51:52 PM
Is D&D the most successful form of birth control?
 
2013-01-23 02:53:16 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: CygnusDarius: Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!

Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder

* Internet fist-bump *

I've checked out the Paizo merchandise too, and it looks pretty good. Too bad all of my gaming is of the MMO variety these days....


/ less time to create and run a campaign ( RL work)
// lost touch with most of my old RPG crowd over the years...
/// most of my current friends & acquaintances would have no interest in this stuff...


If you're interested in Pathfinder, because of the use of the Open Gaming License, all of the base rules and content are available for free here: Pathfinder Player Reference Document.

And if you need to find players, the Pathfinder Society is a great open play environment that has contacts and games throughout the country (and world, too, as it's been expanding). Email is in my profile if you have any questions.
 
2013-01-23 02:54:11 PM

tbhouston: you nerds use paper and pen?? i'm a LARPER and we do it in real life


What is this I don't even.... Did you just troll yourself?
 
2013-01-23 02:54:15 PM

ph0rk: Weaver95: I hope they get around to posing the original Eberron stuff.  it wasn't for everyone but I liked the product line. damn shame WoTC up and abandoned it.  I think it had serious potential.

[notsureifserious.jpg]

Magic trains and dinosaurs, dude.


And artificers, a nation of undead worshiping blood cultists, a shadow war of demons and angels, plus lovecraftian horrors and a cease fire in bloody dynastic war that might flare up again at any moment.  machinations of the Dragonmarked Houses, the destruction of Cyre.  not to mention a continent of mind controlling dream horrors that are trying to make sure that the ENTIRE human race has the exact same dream all night, every night...until they die of old age, and another 'lost' continent of cyclopean ruins, ancient magic and powerful magical secrets.
 
2013-01-23 02:54:32 PM

Felonius Monk: Forbidden Doughnut: CygnusDarius: Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!

Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder

* Internet fist-bump *

I've checked out the Paizo merchandise too, and it looks pretty good. Too bad all of my gaming is of the MMO variety these days....


/ less time to create and run a campaign ( RL work)
// lost touch with most of my old RPG crowd over the years...
/// most of my current friends & acquaintances would have no interest in this stuff...

If you're interested in Pathfinder, because of the use of the Open Gaming License, all of the base rules and content are available for free here: Pathfinder Player Reference Document.

And if you need to find players, the Pathfinder Society is a great open play environment that has contacts and games throughout the country (and world, too, as it's been expanding). Email is in my profile if you have any questions.


Link is the resource I use.
 
2013-01-23 02:54:51 PM

Haoie: Is D&D the most successful form of birth control?


no, that would be evangelical Christianity and pokemon.
 
2013-01-23 02:57:48 PM

Haoie: Is D&D the most successful form of birth control?


It's kind of like the 15th level of birth control... you know, in the extremely rare case that the poor hygene, awkward social skills, fear of members of the opposite sex, lack of money, chronic masturbation, hairy backs, neck-beards, living in your parents basement, etc. etc. all fail.
 
2013-01-23 02:59:19 PM
I have "Stairway to Heaven" stuck in my head for some reason.
 
2013-01-23 03:00:02 PM

Weaver95: as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.


Your analogy cracks me up.

Hide behind the pile of dead bards!
 
2013-01-23 03:00:27 PM
Viva la OSR!

All ya'll looking at these old school releases, do know there's been a bit of a revival of late.

Swords and Wizardry
OSRIC
Astonishing Swordsman & Sorcerers of Hyperborea
Adventurer, Conqueror, King
Lamentations of the Flame Princess
Labyrinth Lord
Delving Deeper
Dungeon Crawl Classics RPG

and more.

Google them, read them, play them.
 
2013-01-23 03:01:34 PM

ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.


I'm just saying the mechanic isn't present. And that mechanic is something OP wanted in a game. But to answer your question, he's level up to a Terminator Squad Sergeant ;)

/+1 WS son!
 
2013-01-23 03:02:28 PM
RANDOM HARLOT ENCOUNTERS FTW!
 
2013-01-23 03:02:57 PM

shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.


I'm running a game for some friends who are all in a similar situation. I got married and had a kid which doesn't leave me much time to game, one of my players is a college buddy who I used to get together with to play D&D but now lives an hour away, my brother-in-law who lives 14 hours away, and another gaming buddy who lives about 3 hours away.

I'm running it on a forum. Wrote a dice bot for the shoutbox (that I also wrote), and just have slightly different posting rules for in and out of combat. Really encourages RP more than even getting together for table top (and light-years beyond any RP you'll find in an MMO), lets people play at a leisurely pace when time allows and it seems to be going really well so far.
 
2013-01-23 03:03:07 PM
i checked it really rather incomplete after i searched "planescape"
 
2013-01-23 03:04:02 PM
I remember the boxes and mud dice.  Loved those dice.
If Demonoid was still around, I bet it would explode.
 
2013-01-23 03:04:10 PM

Corporate Mofo: RANDOM HARLOT ENCOUNTERS FTW!


just don't try that in real life.  it probably won't work out so well.  um...or so I've heard.
 
2013-01-23 03:04:41 PM
Please tell me they will have this in a monster manual.
 
2013-01-23 03:04:42 PM
If they add Spelljammer to the available products, I'm in.

Weaver95: And artificers, a nation of undead worshiping blood cultists, a shadow war of demons and angels, plus lovecraftian horrors and a cease fire in bloody dynastic war that might flare up again at any moment.  machinations of the Dragonmarked Houses, the destruction of Cyre.  not to mention a continent of mind controlling dream horrors that are trying to make sure that the ENTIRE human race has the exact same dream all night, every night...until they die of old age, and another 'lost' continent of cyclopean ruins, ancient magic and powerful magical secrets.


Did they actually drop the Eberron setting? Last I played was 4th ed., but they had it in there, dragonmarks and all. Iirc the warforged even made it into the base race-list at some point after I moved on to more customizable and/or crazier systems.

//Currently messing with Spycraft, that may actually be my favorite d20-system game to date. Very modular, easy to hand your stuff to another GM and be a player for a bit, easier to scale up or down how "epic" things are. Sort of like Shadowrun without the creeping feeling that you're being forced to play some scifi writer's matrix-themed spank folder.
 
2013-01-23 03:05:13 PM

GarretSidzaka: i checked it really rather incomplete after i searched "planescape"


meh.  this was just the first batch.  they're not done putting it all up online yet.  give 'em some time.
 
2013-01-23 03:06:21 PM

gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.


My buddy MARRIED a chick in our D&D group.

/they're divorced now so I guess it not all that impressive...
 
2013-01-23 03:06:38 PM

The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.


Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.


That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.

Sgt.Zim: Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.


Haha! I might as well not have... considering they don't really have a good D&D style gaming community around there. If I was into MTG or Warhammer I would be good to go though. There is another gaming shop about an hour and a half from me that does have a bigger D&D community, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me.
 
2013-01-23 03:08:21 PM

Old Man Winter: I remember the boxes and mud dice.  Loved those dice.
If Demonoid was still around, I bet it would explode.


Demonoid isn't the only source out there.
 
2013-01-23 03:10:03 PM
Jim_Callahan:
Did they actually drop the Eberron setting? Last I played was 4th ed., but they had it in there, dragonmarks and all. Iirc the warforged even made it into the base race-list at some point after I moved on to more customizable and/or crazier systems.

a
s far as I know, yes.  I don't know if there was an actual honest to gods announcement about it but they they stopped putting out major updates to the game a long time ago.  I think you can find the occasional module on that horrific mutation of an online magazine they use to put crap out to their 4th edition players but that's about it.

WoTC also keeps pillaging the corpse/tomb of Greyhawk.  this was after their wonderful CEO said they were going to discontinue all things Greyhawk and make Forgotten Realms the key focal point of 4th edition.  As I understand it, they also killed off Lolth, set Castle Greyhawk adrift into the great beyond and turned Elminster into a bitter, mildly insane old man hiding in the shattered remains of his tower...too weak to even bother killing off as a plot point.
 
2013-01-23 03:11:23 PM

Girion47: Old Man Winter: I remember the boxes and mud dice.  Loved those dice.
If Demonoid was still around, I bet it would explode.

Demonoid isn't the only source out there.


I have yet to find a good replacement for Demonoid.  I really miss 'em.
 
2013-01-23 03:13:17 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.


True that. Vrusks and Dralasites were tops.
Humans were the OK standard default.
Goggled monkey-men did not really have any cool factor with me.
 
2013-01-23 03:16:12 PM

JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.

Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.

Sgt.Zim: Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.

Haha! I might as well not have... considering they don't really have a good D&D style gaming community around there. If I was into MTG or Warhammer I would be good to go though. There is another gaming shop about an hour and a half from me that does have a bigger D&D community, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me.


Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

/Damn we should record our Pathfinder games and podcast them
 
2013-01-23 03:17:11 PM

ObscureNameHere: Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.

True that. Vrusks and Dralasites were tops.
Humans were the OK standard default.
Goggled monkey-men did not really have any cool factor with me.


the Star*Drive setting (an alternity product) totally rocked the house.  I loved their source books.  again...faded away with little comment.  I occasionally steal concepts and/or planets from that old book and use it in Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy.
 
2013-01-23 03:17:28 PM

Weaver95: Girion47: Old Man Winter: I remember the boxes and mud dice.  Loved those dice.
If Demonoid was still around, I bet it would explode.

Demonoid isn't the only source out there.

I have yet to find a good replacement for Demonoid.  I really miss 'em.


Email sent to your Ultrafark account.
 
2013-01-23 03:18:21 PM

shortymac: JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.

Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.

Sgt.Zim: Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.

Haha! I might as well not have... considering they don't really have a good D&D style gaming community around there. If I was into MTG or Warhammer I would be good to go though. There is another gaming shop about an hour and a half from me that does have a bigger D&D community, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me.

Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

/Damn we should record our Pathfinder games and podcast them


no.
 
2013-01-23 03:18:56 PM
shortymac:

/Damn we should record our Pathfinder games and podcast them

considering the topics of conversation during our pathfinder game sessions....i'm gonna pass on that one.
 
2013-01-23 03:20:41 PM

Weaver95: WoTC also keeps pillaging the corpse/tomb of Greyhawk.  this was after their wonderful CEO said they were going to discontinue all things Greyhawk and make Forgotten Realms the key focal point of 4th edition.


Ah, so they've dropped dragonlance, too?

That's a shame, I enjoyed having a setting where the way I played gnome characters was actually the way you were _supposed_ to play a gnome.

I guess they're just intentionally going for the more boring, the better then?
 
2013-01-23 03:21:48 PM

Weaver95: RoyFokker'sGhost: Weaver95: While I agree with your position in general, remember that by the time WoTC started screwing their pooch with 4e, they were owned by Hasbro. It was Hasbro that forced them to make 4e and drop the OGL concept as well as every move that has destroyed the face value of the D&D property.

oh I know there was corporate bullshiat going on behind the scenes.  that still doesn't excuse the fact that WoTC was being run by someone who had no idea how to sell D&D to D&D gamer nerds.  think about that for a moment and ponder what that implies about the corporate idiot Hasboro put in charge of WoTC.


Exactly. And I already have the popcorn supply ready for the nerdrage that will happen if Disney actually does buy Hasbro and ends up owning D&D :)

Also, while they're at it, how about a digital re-release of all the classic TSR games? Star Frontiers, Boot Hill, Top Secret, Marvel Super Heroes (Might have the licensing problem there), Gamma World, Gangbusters. I mean, It's not like they're already not available via torrents. Why not make them legal and make some money?
 
2013-01-23 03:22:40 PM
I had a copy of the second printing of the Basic Rulebook printed in January 1978 - the one with the blue cover.

And WOTC doesn't seem to have it up. I think I would have bought one just for old time's sake.
 
2013-01-23 03:23:53 PM

Weaver95: Jim_Callahan:
Did they actually drop the Eberron setting? Last I played was 4th ed., but they had it in there, dragonmarks and all. Iirc the warforged even made it into the base race-list at some point after I moved on to more customizable and/or crazier systems.

as far as I know, yes.  I don't know if there was an actual honest to gods announcement about it but they they stopped putting out major updates to the game a long time ago.  I think you can find the occasional module on that horrific mutation of an online magazine they use to put crap out to their 4th edition players but that's about it.

WoTC also keeps pillaging the corpse/tomb of Greyhawk.  this was after their wonderful CEO said they were going to discontinue all things Greyhawk and make Forgotten Realms the key focal point of 4th edition.  As I understand it, they also killed off Lolth, set Castle Greyhawk adrift into the great beyond and turned Elminster into a bitter, mildly insane old man hiding in the shattered remains of his tower...too weak to even bother killing off as a plot point.


I was a little upset that the 4e Eberron book was very lacking in detail compared to 3.5.

The 3.5 version read like a storybook almost and was awesome, the 4ed version felt like they cut out some pieces of 3.5, altered them slightly to include dragonborn and that was that.
 
2013-01-23 03:24:28 PM

Girion47: Felonius Monk: Forbidden Doughnut: CygnusDarius: Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!

Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder

* Internet fist-bump *

I've checked out the Paizo merchandise too, and it looks pretty good. Too bad all of my gaming is of the MMO variety these days....


/ less time to create and run a campaign ( RL work)
// lost touch with most of my old RPG crowd over the years...
/// most of my current friends & acquaintances would have no interest in this stuff...

If you're interested in Pathfinder, because of the use of the Open Gaming License, all of the base rules and content are available for free here: Pathfinder Player Reference Document.

And if you need to find players, the Pathfinder Society is a great open play environment that has contacts and games throughout the country (and world, too, as it's been expanding). Email is in my profile if you have any questions.

Link is the resource I use.


I like d20pfsrd (grants access to much of the Pathfinder setting goodies), but figure I should direct to the Paizo site first, especially for a potential new player. Thanks for bringing it up though.!

/Always looking for more PFS players in western SD
 
2013-01-23 03:25:15 PM

Jim_Callahan: Weaver95: WoTC also keeps pillaging the corpse/tomb of Greyhawk.  this was after their wonderful CEO said they were going to discontinue all things Greyhawk and make Forgotten Realms the key focal point of 4th edition.

Ah, so they've dropped dragonlance, too?

That's a shame, I enjoyed having a setting where the way I played gnome characters was actually the way you were _supposed_ to play a gnome.

I guess they're just intentionally going for the more boring, the better then?


well the fired a good bit of their staff once Hasbro took over.  that meant they had no choice but to cut back on various product lines.  I could see why they wanted to focus on forgotten realms tho, it was a pretty big section of their catalog and they wanted to make money quickly.  its just that they dropped the ball on presenting 4th edition, cut themselves out from the online market and basically pissed off damn near all their older fans.  how they expected to make millions of bucks off only marketing to 12 year olds is beyond me.  it took a helluva lot to alienate the D&D true believers but WoTC managed to pull it off...and most of 'em went over to pathfinder and ain't coming back.
 
2013-01-23 03:27:20 PM
shortymac:

The 3.5 version read like a storybook almost and was awesome, the 4ed version felt like they cut out some pieces of 3.5, altered them slightly to include dragonborn and that was that.

that's pretty much what they did.  my impression is that their 4th edition Eberron book was a conversion guide and...that's it.  they put almost no effort into maintaining the product line after that.  they recalled the stuff already in the pipeline, reskinned it for 4th edition release, and once that stuff was out...they quietly let the product line wither and die.
 
2013-01-23 03:27:32 PM

ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.


There's always Deathwatch

Also, FFG is putting out an Imperial Guard RPG. You know, for the thrilling experience of playing disposable cannon fodder.

/honestly, I'm not a shill for FFG. They just put out good stuff
 
2013-01-23 03:28:04 PM

Girion47: shortymac: JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.

Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.

Sgt.Zim: Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.

Haha! I might as well not have... considering they don't really have a good D&D style gaming community around there. If I was into MTG or Warhammer I would be good to go though. There is another gaming shop about an hour and a half from me that does have a bigger D&D community, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me.

Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

/Damn we should record our Pathfinder games and podcast them

no.


YES! Com'on the group pissed off a witch in the game who raised my character's Dad that attacked us and destroyed a town! How is that not WIN?
 
2013-01-23 03:30:28 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.

There's always Deathwatch

Also, FFG is putting out an Imperial Guard RPG. You know, for the thrilling experience of playing disposable cannon fodder.

/honestly, I'm not a shill for FFG. They just put out good stuff


DAMN good stuff.  I ran Black Crusade/Dark Heresy for a local convention this past weekend.  full tables both days (saturday and sunday).  LOTS of interest.  easy system to learn too, plays well without a lot of getting bogged down in the rules.
 
2013-01-23 03:33:02 PM

KingsleyZisou: Agent Smiths Laugh: KingsleyZisou: RanDomino: I used to play, until we realized that nobody wants to be the DM ("It's like you're playing, except you're actually not!") and RPing on some level, which we agreed is really just playing make-believe like grade schoolers, is unavoidable. What we wanted was a tactical squad-based tabletop 'rpg' (in the sense of character building, advancement over time, equipment management, etc). And then everyone went to college and it didn't matter.

We should have gotten a hold of Warhammer Quest.

Love that game!

/no I don't wasn't to go back to town. It's safer down here in this dungeon full of monsters.

We've been playing this to fill that niche.

That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

/nobody talk about Mordheim that game pisses on my dreams regularly
//so I don't play it anymore :(


I have the original plus expansions and campaign book in my closet.

Weaver95: ObscureNameHere: Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.

True that. Vrusks and Dralasites were tops.
Humans were the OK standard default.
Goggled monkey-men did not really have any cool factor with me.

the Star*Drive setting (an alternity product) totally rocked the house.  I loved their source books.  again...faded away with little comment.  I occasionally steal concepts and/or planets from that old book and use it in Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy.


I have most of the Alternity books on my bookshelf.

/been a gamer for a long long time
//feel old
 
2013-01-23 03:33:33 PM

Jim_Callahan: Weaver95: WoTC also keeps pillaging the corpse/tomb of Greyhawk.  this was after their wonderful CEO said they were going to discontinue all things Greyhawk and make Forgotten Realms the key focal point of 4th edition.

Ah, so they've dropped dragonlance, too?

That's a shame, I enjoyed having a setting where the way I played gnome characters was actually the way you were _supposed_ to play a gnome.

I guess they're just intentionally going for the more boring, the better then?


Dragonlance is back in the hands of Margaret Weiss Productions. They have a 3.X version of the campaign out
 
2013-01-23 03:35:45 PM

shortymac: Girion47: shortymac: JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.

Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.

Sgt.Zim: Me? Is that you?

Oh, wait. I don't have kids. Or a gaming shop nearby.

Haha! I might as well not have... considering they don't really have a good D&D style gaming community around there. If I was into MTG or Warhammer I would be good to go though. There is another gaming shop about an hour and a half from me that does have a bigger D&D community, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me.

Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

/Damn we should record our Pathfinder games and podcast them

no.

YES! Com'on the group pissed off a witch in the game who raised my character's Dad that attacked us and destroyed a town! How is that not WIN?


and our other campaign is struggling with kobolds.

Plus I already inflict 6 of you with my voice, do you really hate the rest of Fark that much?
 
2013-01-23 03:35:59 PM

Weaver95: RoyFokker'sGhost: ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.

There's always Deathwatch

Also, FFG is putting out an Imperial Guard RPG. You know, for the thrilling experience of playing disposable cannon fodder.

/honestly, I'm not a shill for FFG. They just put out good stuff

DAMN good stuff.  I ran Black Crusade/Dark Heresy for a local convention this past weekend.  full tables both days (saturday and sunday).  LOTS of interest.  easy system to learn too, plays well without a lot of getting bogged down in the rules.


And I just picked up my Edge of the Empire boxed set. Can't wait for the game to go fully live and have support for a campaign :)
 
2013-01-23 03:36:15 PM

Weaver95:
And artificers, a nation of undead worshiping blood cultists, a shadow war of demons and angels, plus lovecraftian horrors and a cease fire in bloody dynastic war that might flare up again at any moment.  machinations of the Dragonmarked Houses, the destruction of Cyre.  not to mention a continent of mind controlling dream horrors that are trying to make sure that the ENTIRE human race has the exact same dream all night, every night...until they die of old age, and another 'lost' continent of cyclopean ruins, ancient magic and powerful magical secrets.


"Wait, that's the one with the robots and monsters are people, right? That's dumb." - my group every time I want to play Eberron.
 
2013-01-23 03:36:24 PM

Girion47: Email sent to your Ultrafark account.


As a former Demonoid user myself, I am also looking to replace it. It really was the best, especially when I wanted karaoke files. EIP, if you are feeling generous, or if not, I understand.
 
2013-01-23 03:38:27 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.

There's always Deathwatch

Also, FFG is putting out an Imperial Guard RPG. You know, for the thrilling experience of playing disposable cannon fodder.

/honestly, I'm not a shill for FFG. They just put out good stuff


It's already out. It's called Only War. Nearly picked it up at my LGS because I'm a shameless Gaunt's Ghosts fan.

/I say nearly because while I love the books themselves, I despise the game mechanics of FFG's 40k roleplay
 
2013-01-23 03:38:49 PM
RoyFokker'sGhost:
And I just picked up my Edge of the Empire boxed set. Can't wait for the game to go fully live and have support for a campaign :)

for convention play, I prefer Deathwatch or Dark Heresy.  they play well in that sort of setting, Black Crusade but...you really gotta watch the PG-13 stuff.  Slaanesh players...just sayin' man.  For an actual campaign I much prefer Rogue Trader.  that game is totally awesome when it comes to building a ship and crew and helping players really get into their roles as lords of all they survey.  since the players basically write the campaign (via the 'Endeavor' system) it makes running the game a LOT easier than you'd expect.
 
2013-01-23 03:40:42 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Weaver95: RoyFokker'sGhost: ph0rk: KingsleyZisou: That looks cool. Quest is super fun. Many a night has bled into the next day as we flip tiles and fight monsters. If you like sci fi Space Hulk is a good squad based tactical game. No level advancement is its major draw back.

How in the hell is a terminator marine going to level up? They are already damn near the pinnacle of badass, and I'm pretty sure "becoming a primarch" is off the table.

There's always Deathwatch

Also, FFG is putting out an Imperial Guard RPG. You know, for the thrilling experience of playing disposable cannon fodder.

/honestly, I'm not a shill for FFG. They just put out good stuff

DAMN good stuff.  I ran Black Crusade/Dark Heresy for a local convention this past weekend.  full tables both days (saturday and sunday).  LOTS of interest.  easy system to learn too, plays well without a lot of getting bogged down in the rules.

And I just picked up my Edge of the Empire boxed set. Can't wait for the game to go fully live and have support for a campaign :)


Yeah that has my attention. I own just about every Star Wars RPG including the old West End game (which I still adore).
 
2013-01-23 03:45:22 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh:

Yeah that has my attention. I own just about every Star Wars RPG including the old West End game (which I still adore).


I've been working on a stand-in Lightsaber Combat force power set until there's an official system for jedi and lightsabers. But yeah, the game system itself is awesome, especially with the Light/Dark Force Pool dynamic
 
2013-01-23 03:48:02 PM
I liked "DragonQuest." One book for everything, a decimal system, combat system that made sense, etc. Too bad it was killed off.
/still got mine, though.
 
2013-01-23 03:49:00 PM
How old am I? I even tried 'Traveller'.

/not the oldest one here though, I am fairly certain.
 
2013-01-23 03:50:33 PM

shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.


There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!
 
2013-01-23 03:57:07 PM
Beginner D&D: Being 10 and getting an inexplicable boner over the sample character in the red Basic D&D book. IIRC, her name was Morgan and you had to include her (awesomely tight) chainmail into her encumberance rating as you learned how to be a DM..

Advanced D&D: Being 14 and unashamedly whacking it over the human form of the spider-goddess Lolth and her Drow priestesses.

/Erol Otus FTW
 
2013-01-23 03:57:28 PM

gilgigamesh: WhippingBoy: gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.

Are you sure? Not that it was your virginity, but that it was actually a "chick".

Yup.  A 10th level half-elf thief, and with an 18 charisma to boot.  My buddy Bob ran the charac-...

Oh.  Oh God.

Oh God NO.

*shudder*


And now the dream you had after you fell asleep after that two-day gaming marathon where you were trying to give birth to a giant cucumber and the wierd stains on your skivvies suddenly makes sense...
 
2013-01-23 03:58:17 PM

iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!


EIP and I'll forward you on to our DMs. We currently running 2 campaigns with 2 DMs just due to weekly logistics of running a campaign. It's pretty epic.
 
2013-01-23 04:01:16 PM

iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!


Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy
 
2013-01-23 04:02:55 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing


Back when I played, nerd girls were "things".
 
2013-01-23 04:07:05 PM

Girion47: iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!

Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy


But I'm a real girl!
 
2013-01-23 04:07:39 PM

gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.


I knew there would be others like me here! The sole reason I played D&D at all was because I was sneaking around with the DM's girlfriend.
 
2013-01-23 04:08:30 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

Back when I played, nerd girls were "things".


Heh, that could be interpreted a number of ways.

RoyFokker'sGhost: Agent Smiths Laugh:

Yeah that has my attention. I own just about every Star Wars RPG including the old West End game (which I still adore).

I've been working on a stand-in Lightsaber Combat force power set until there's an official system for jedi and lightsabers. But yeah, the game system itself is awesome, especially with the Light/Dark Force Pool dynamic


Definitely intrigued. I'll probably wait until the core book comes out and pick up it and the starter kit in a fit of avarice.
 
2013-01-23 04:09:03 PM
I preferred Harn from Columbia Games. The mechanics were better - more true to life.

Wiki page about Harn

Harn at Columbia Games
 
2013-01-23 04:10:22 PM
went looking for...

upload.wikimedia.org

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...
 
2013-01-23 04:11:05 PM

shortymac: Girion47: iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!

Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy

But I'm a real girl!


Pics or it didn't happen or something like that.

/empirical evidence young lady
 
2013-01-23 04:11:40 PM

WinoRhino: gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.

I knew there would be others like me here! The sole reason I played D&D at all was because I was sneaking around with the DM's girlfriend.


I killed the DM's girlfriend (in-game) and it was glorious.

(Her): I attack his character!
(Me): I draw my sword and counter-attack!
(Her): (Rolls dice, misses).
(Me): (Rolls dice, critical hit, 00 on custom critical hit table is 'decapitation').
(Everyone but her): (rolls on floor laughing, DM literally fell out of his chair)
(Her): What happened?
(DM): He cut off your head!
(Her): He can't do that!
(DM) He just did!!!!
 
2013-01-23 04:14:26 PM

deeproy: went looking for...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 218x300]

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...


I have that one! And this one:

www.twocatscomicbookstore.com
 
2013-01-23 04:17:07 PM
Did anyone here ever play the original 'Games Design Workshop' RPG? The one with the incrediably graphic descriptions of critical injuries?

My friend and I gave it a whirl for a few sessions then lost interest but I remember how different in tone it was from the relatively 'tame' D&D, AD&D, Gamma World, Star Frontiers etc. stuff we were used to.
 
2013-01-23 04:18:33 PM
There was a DM kit that helped you create your own campaign and dungeons. I don't see it here. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
2013-01-23 04:20:02 PM
Meh. Considering how shiatty the "remastering" of the last round of rereleases was, I'm not expecting any of these to be worth getting.
 
2013-01-23 04:20:44 PM
i remember the first time i called bullshiat on Drew for using a computerized RNG for his game rolls. He was so fancy playing the game with his laptop only while the rest of us are erasing THAC0s with rubber erasers every time we got new loot. Somehow his criticals were ALWAYS 15+.

I told him he could go fark himself ... and a website was born.

/shakes tiny fist at Drew
 
2013-01-23 04:20:45 PM

shortymac: Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.


Here is the dice bag:
www.johncathcart.com
www.johncathcart.com
www.johncathcart.com

And here is the cork/leather lined rolling tray with my dwarven metal dice in it:
www.johncathcart.com

Both the bag and tray are hand made/drawn/painted and constructed. That's a buckskin draw tie and wrapped around the handles of the tray and cowhide leather on the bottom of the tray with cork underneath the leather.

I would have felt bad throwing those dice on someone's wooden table (they'll leave dents)... so I made the cork/leather lined rolling tray so I wouldn't damage people's stuff. They still make a nice "thud" when they're thrown. :)
 
2013-01-23 04:20:57 PM

Girion47: iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!

Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy


Can't hold a candle to my previous group. The term "Jesus Farking Christ" was a euphimism for going to rather dire lengths to find alternatives to manual masturbation.
 
2013-01-23 04:21:10 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There was a DM kit that helped you create your own campaign and dungeons. I don't see it here. Anyone know what I'm talking about?


The DM starter pack?I bought the one for 4ed when borders went out of of business. When I get home I'll double-check the name but I'm pretty sure that's it.
 
2013-01-23 04:24:34 PM
Agent Smiths Laugh:

Definitely intrigued. I'll probably wait until the core book comes out and pick up it and the starter kit in a fit of avarice.

If you've got the Beta book, it's not that difficult. I just took the idea of the Force Power trees, started the 0 Tier with a 'hold one Force Point to upgrade an Ability Die to a Proficiency die for all Lightsaber rolls', then added upgrades at each Tier that added damage or other effects to Lightsaber use. Like 'spend an Advantage to add 1 to the Deflection rating' or 'Spend a Dark Side Force Point to add 1 to the Sunder rating'. Probably OP'd for Edge of the Empire, but the full tree makes a Lightsaber combatant on par with the Jedi from the prequels: able to take on entire squads solo
 
2013-01-23 04:24:54 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There was a DM kit that helped you create your own campaign and dungeons. I don't see it here. Anyone know what I'm talking about?


what edition? after 3.0 i wouldnt know. this is what i thought of.

www.aaronallston.com
 
2013-01-23 04:25:28 PM
Hey 7th level Paladin, law don't go 'round here... savvy?

www.gamebooks.org
 
2013-01-23 04:26:36 PM

iq_in_binary: Girion47: iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!

Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy

Can't hold a candle to my previous group. The term "Jesus Farking Christ" was a euphimism for going to rather dire lengths to find alternatives to manual masturbation.


Nevermind, you fit in already
 
2013-01-23 04:29:02 PM

JohnnyC: shortymac: Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

Here is the dice bag:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]

And here is the cork/leather lined rolling tray with my dwarven metal dice in it:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x574]

Both the bag and tray are hand made/drawn/painted and constructed. That's a buckskin draw tie and wrapped around the handles of the tray and cowhide leather on the bottom of the tray with cork underneath the leather.

I would have felt bad throwing those dice on someone's wooden table (they'll leave dents)... so I made the cork/leather lined rolling tray so I wouldn't damage people's stuff. They still make a nice "thud" when they're thrown. :)


That is a gorgeous bag... I want one!!!!!
 
2013-01-23 04:31:15 PM

JohnnyC: shortymac: Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

Here is the dice bag:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]

And here is the cork/leather lined rolling tray with my dwarven metal dice in it:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x574]

Both the bag and tray are hand made/drawn/painted and constructed. That's a buckskin draw tie and wrapped around the handles of the tray and cowhide leather on the bottom of the tray with cork underneath the leather.

I would have felt bad throwing those dice on someone's wooden table (they'll leave dents)... so I made the cork/leather lined rolling tray so I wouldn't damage people's stuff. They still make a nice "thud" when they're thrown. :)


haha, sure beat my old Crown Royal bag. but it could double as a real life sap if needed. sucker weighed about 6 lbs.
 
2013-01-23 04:32:24 PM

Soup4Bonnie: There was a DM kit that helped you create your own campaign and dungeons. I don't see it here. Anyone know what I'm talking about?


farm3.staticflickr.com

This? If I recall, it came with a couple sheets of graph paper "rooms" (cavern, throne room, etc.) that you could cut and paste into your own dungeon maps.

(Player-facing side looked like this:
2.bp.blogspot.com


Also:

WinoRhino: deeproy: went looking for...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 218x300]

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...

I have that one! And this one:

[www.twocatscomicbookstore.com image 600x600]


tagn.files.wordpress.com
I'm pretty sure I have all three of these, in pretty good condition, in a box in a closet at my parents' house. Might even have a bunch of old modules, too. Next time I'm back home, I'll have to see if I can find them. I assume they're of some value these days?
 
2013-01-23 04:36:05 PM
Nobody here remembers the recent Gygax Memorial re-release? They're still in stores around here.
 
2013-01-23 04:36:47 PM

shortymac: That is a gorgeous bag... I want one!!!!!


Thanks! I haven't really thought about making/selling them. Was just kind of a one-off kind of thing for my own purposes (which seems pretty limited these days with no game to play in).
 
2013-01-23 04:37:50 PM

Uzzah: Soup4Bonnie:
[www.twocatscomicbookstore.com image 600x600]

[tagn.files.wordpress.com image 674x300]
I'm pretty sure I have all three of these, in pretty good condition, in a box in a closet at my parents' house. Might even have a bunch of old modules, too. Next time I'm back home, I'll have to see if I can find them. I assume they're of some value these days?


in the 90s they sold for $20-$50 based on condition. and most buyers were actually using them to play, not collect. not sure what theyre worth now. i had a Deities And Demigods alternate cover print was worth over $100 ... so I sold it (perks of working in a shop was that I could sell it for full value for myself, haha). I did see a fairly good sized purging of those books in the late 90s though. Lots o people needed some quick cash or were saving to buy 3.5.
 
2013-01-23 04:38:13 PM
Anyone know how difficult it is to legitimately publish a system?
 
2013-01-23 04:38:43 PM

Weaver95: shortymac:

The 3.5 version read like a storybook almost and was awesome, the 4ed version felt like they cut out some pieces of 3.5, altered them slightly to include dragonborn and that was that.

that's pretty much what they did.  my impression is that their 4th edition Eberron book was a conversion guide and...that's it.  they put almost no effort into maintaining the product line after that.  they recalled the stuff already in the pipeline, reskinned it for 4th edition release, and once that stuff was out...they quietly let the product line wither and die.


I wouldn't exactly say they let it "wither and die". From the very beginning of 4e, WOTC stated that campaign settings would receive one campaign setting book aimed at the DM, one campaign setting book aimed at the players, and one soft-cover adventure book. Any additional material for a campaign setting would then only appear in the online Dragon magazine. The releases for Eberron in 4e followed the same pattern as Forgotten Realms 4e that was released the year before, and Dark Sun 4e that came the year after. Granted, I would have liked to have seen more setting specific material for each setting, but WOTC's stated reason for doing things like that, is that campaign specific supplements had sold poorly under 3.5, and they didn't want to repeat that mistake.

In order to compensate for this, they did make a pretty good effort to unify the rules and basic nature of the cosmology between all the settings, with the goal being that almost all the material from the numerous generic system wide books could be integrated into any of the campaign settings. The unified cosmology also made it easy for groups to play with all the different campaign settings set up to be different worlds that all existed in the same universe as opposed to completely separate fictional universes as in previous versions.
 
2013-01-23 04:39:14 PM

The Flexecutioner: haha, sure beat my old Crown Royal bag. but it could double as a real life sap if needed. sucker weighed about 6 lbs.


Haha! That seems to be the "go-to" solution for most gamers I've known for dice bags.
 
2013-01-23 04:40:13 PM

ObscureNameHere: Did anyone here ever play the original 'Games Design Workshop' RPG? The one with the incrediably graphic descriptions of critical injuries?

My friend and I gave it a whirl for a few sessions then lost interest but I remember how different in tone it was from the relatively 'tame' D&D, AD&D, Gamma World, Star Frontiers etc. stuff we were used to.


If you're speaking of the original Warhammer Fantasy RPG, yup owned it. May still own it, but can't seem to find the box it got stored in.
 
2013-01-23 04:40:48 PM

WinoRhino: deeproy: went looking for...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 218x300]

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...

I have that one! And this one:

[www.twocatscomicbookstore.com image 600x600]


I spent most of my school career reading those two books over and over and over and over, till the pages were falling out.
 
2013-01-23 04:41:09 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Agent Smiths Laugh:

Definitely intrigued. I'll probably wait until the core book comes out and pick up it and the starter kit in a fit of avarice.

If you've got the Beta book, it's not that difficult. I just took the idea of the Force Power trees, started the 0 Tier with a 'hold one Force Point to upgrade an Ability Die to a Proficiency die for all Lightsaber rolls', then added upgrades at each Tier that added damage or other effects to Lightsaber use. Like 'spend an Advantage to add 1 to the Deflection rating' or 'Spend a Dark Side Force Point to add 1 to the Sunder rating'. Probably OP'd for Edge of the Empire, but the full tree makes a Lightsaber combatant on par with the Jedi from the prequels: able to take on entire squads solo


Sadly no, I have none of its materials as of yet. Would like to give it a read-through.
 
2013-01-23 04:41:31 PM

Girion47: iq_in_binary: Girion47: iq_in_binary: shortymac: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

I was in a game a year ago... but a couple of the players moved away, the other two, who hosted the game, decided they weren't going to play anymore, and that left just me and the DM. The DM found a new guy to host it who had a gaming room and was really into tabletop RPGs and what not. Some new players were found and a game was set up. I went and the new host, who usually DMs games, turned out to be one of those players who just steps all over everyone else's play. He was constantly interrupting, claiming that other players didn't do what they just said they were doing, and generally being a control freak. He did that to me twice before I politely excused myself from the game and never went back.

Since then I've been checking various websites and what not to try and find a game. The local gaming shop players mostly play Magic The Gathering and Warhammer 40k stuff... Not much D&D or Pathfinder unfortunately. So... still haven't found a game to join. Which kind of sucks. *shrug*

Also... the link appears to be dead...

HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

My Husband and I have a similar experience as you, great group that ended because 2 players moved cross-country. I'm thinking about getting the group together again, maybe play a totally OP 4e version of Tomb of Horrors.

There's a fark Pathfinder group? I want in!

Don't trust Shortymac, those people are crazy

Can't hold a candle to my previous group. The term "Jesus Farking Christ" was a euphimism for going to rather dire lengths to find alternatives to manual masturbation.

Nevermind, you fit in already


Just to illustrate how that came up, combat was going pretty bad, 1 character was down, another about to go down, and the other 2 were hopelessly preoccupied.

Ted (huge beard, long fingernails, extremely intelligent and has a knack for off the wall characters that completely destroy everything, currently playing a mongol like Fighter Archer): "Jesus Farking Christ."

John (DM, database programmer, smart ass): "That sounds like it would be quite a feat dude."

Ted: "Nah, not really."

Everybody:
memedepot.com

John: "Really? How do you figure that?"

Ted: "Well, he had plenty of holes to choose from."

Everybody:
cache.jezebel.com
 
2013-01-23 04:41:38 PM

JohnnyC: The Flexecutioner: haha, sure beat my old Crown Royal bag. but it could double as a real life sap if needed. sucker weighed about 6 lbs.

Haha! That seems to be the "go-to" solution for most gamers I've known for dice bags.


it was the dice bag choice of pragmatist players who were hoping for cool points by being related to their alcohol consumption, haha. they were every where.
 
2013-01-23 04:43:30 PM
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-23 04:43:30 PM

Uzzah: Soup4Bonnie: There was a DM kit that helped you create your own campaign and dungeons. I don't see it here. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 405x500]

This? If I recall, it came with a couple sheets of graph paper "rooms" (cavern, throne room, etc.) that you could cut and paste into your own dungeon maps.

(Player-facing side looked like this:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x168]


Also: WinoRhino: deeproy: went looking for...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 218x300]

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...

I have that one! And this one:

[www.twocatscomicbookstore.com image 600x600]

[tagn.files.wordpress.com image 674x300]
I'm pretty sure I have all three of these, in pretty good condition, in a box in a closet at my parents' house. Might even have a bunch of old modules, too. Next time I'm back home, I'll have to see if I can find them. I assume they're of some value these days?


Are you thinking of this, maybe: Dungeon Geomorphs?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-23 04:44:07 PM

The Flexecutioner: what edition? after 3.0 i wouldnt know. this is what i thought of.


That's it! Thank you.
 
2013-01-23 04:52:06 PM

big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?


Cough cough thepiratebay.se cough cough
 
2013-01-23 04:52:38 PM
Five bucks is a little much for a digital copy of a thirty year old D&D1e adventure IMO, fair enough for fairly recent 3e adventures. There needs to be a little more price differentiation at play here.
 
2013-01-23 04:55:17 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Cough cough thepiratebay.se cough cough


I have this book.....found it in a half price bookstore for $10.
 
2013-01-23 04:56:45 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: Five bucks is a little much for a digital copy of a thirty year old D&D1e adventure IMO, fair enough for fairly recent 3e adventures. There needs to be a little more price differentiation at play here.


I don't know. I may be just old, but I think the original 1e and some of the 2e modules were better written and had more content than recent stuff. I was a huge fan of Against the Giants.
 
2013-01-23 04:57:55 PM

Kimpak: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Cough cough thepiratebay.se cough cough

I have this book.....found it in a half price bookstore for $10.


Those are good days. I rescued a 2e D&D GM guide for $3.

/only 2e book I own
//it needed a good home
 
2013-01-23 05:01:36 PM

KingsleyZisou: Kimpak: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Cough cough thepiratebay.se cough cough

I have this book.....found it in a half price bookstore for $10.

Those are good days. I rescued a 2e D&D GM guide for $3.

/only 2e book I own
//it needed a good home


We always used a hybrid of 1e and 2e back in the day. 2e had some issues.. We were very happy with 3.5. Still use it, since 4 sucks balls.
 
2013-01-23 05:03:34 PM
I bought the one in a white card board box with the three little books in it some time in the late 70's. I think there was a poorly drawn unicorn on the cover. I don't see it on that site but did not look very hard.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:45 PM

big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?


I had that book. As I recall, in subsequent editions they removed the Melnibonean section as well. WIsh I still had it, but my parents confiscated all my D&D stuff during the "D&D = SATAN" craze in the 80's.

I am somewhat embarrassed to admit that the florid prose, campy illustrations, and all that dice rolling were my introduction to literature, art, and probability. Hey, gotta start somewhere.
 
2013-01-23 05:08:32 PM
Screw that who has time to fark with D&D now a days? No what you want is a rule set called Savage Worlds and if you really must one of the world books. There are several fantasy settings out for it, but converting D&D modules is fast and easy, hell I do it on the fly with no prepared stats on bad guys.

It even has a Darwin's World conversion for when you have that Gamma World itch, or just convert GW.
 
2013-01-23 05:12:33 PM

INeedAName: Anyone know how difficult it is to legitimately publish a system?


By "legitimately publish" you mean going to a publisher interested in new RPG systems? Impossible. They don't exist.
Now, if you have a really well developed and playtested system, take it to conventions and try to build a fanbase. Of course, you'll be competing with everyone else who goes to the conventions for the same purpose, but maybe you have something unique and compelling.
Basically, you're going to have to self-publish, since anyone interested in publishing systems already has their own. On the other hand, everyone with a system takes source material and adventures from freelancers, so if you have a unique setting or adventure and can adapt it to an existing system, that's where you should put your energy.
 
2013-01-23 05:13:45 PM

Kimpak: I was a huge fan of Against the Giants.


I remember starting out in Hommlet, having a lot of fun with the Temple of Elemental Evil and then somehow the same characters played through the Giant series. Loads of fun.
 
2013-01-23 05:19:58 PM

JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.

Not sure if it'll help, but you could try the Player Registry at Pen & Paper Games. There are a few other websites like that, but this is the only one that I can remember at the moment.

Yeah... I keep an eye on that one. Also been keeping an eye on the forums at this site: RPTools


ENWorld had a really good Gamer Finder section, but it got nuked when the website was hacked. There's a kickstarter to get it rebuilt.

You can also try RPG.Net
 
2013-01-23 05:25:03 PM

Weaver95: ekdikeo4:
I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.

...and they were dragged kicking and screaming into online sales.  i'll say this as well - 5 years ago when WoTC ordered their online partners to yank their products offline, within 3 days or so I saw D&D torrents that had been dead for years suddenly being seeded like crazy.


Still far better than the movie, music, and most other businesses / industries as a whole.

These guys are going to get everything they possibly can scan and make it available.  Pretty damn good idea, imo.
 
2013-01-23 05:25:46 PM
I just bought a '80 starter box set with the monster manuals I remember from my youth
may be able to see a side boob or something

so when we get all torqued, it's either atari or D&D
Jello biafra on the record player..

game on
 
2013-01-23 05:27:55 PM

big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?


Is there a story there? I played thirty years ago, but stopped around the time that came out - it might have been the last thing I bought.

Mom probably still has it in a box. She often reminds me she's still got all my old gaming stuff - she's waiting til it's worth a brazillian dollars
 
2013-01-23 05:35:21 PM

JWideman: INeedAName: Anyone know how difficult it is to legitimately publish a system?

By "legitimately publish" you mean going to a publisher interested in new RPG systems? Impossible. They don't exist.
Now, if you have a really well developed and playtested system, take it to conventions and try to build a fanbase. Of course, you'll be competing with everyone else who goes to the conventions for the same purpose, but maybe you have something unique and compelling.
Basically, you're going to have to self-publish, since anyone interested in publishing systems already has their own. On the other hand, everyone with a system takes source material and adventures from freelancers, so if you have a unique setting or adventure and can adapt it to an existing system, that's where you should put your energy.


If you are thinking about creating a system, try to focus on a system made for quick and fun instead of long and complicated. For example look up inspectors, you and your friends play a ghost busters-esque RPG.
 
2013-01-23 05:36:17 PM

GRCooper: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Is there a story there? I played thirty years ago, but stopped around the time that came out - it might have been the last thing I bought.

Mom probably still has it in a box. She often reminds me she's still got all my old gaming stuff - she's waiting til it's worth a brazillian dollars


That particular version of the Deities and Demigods was discontinued because they didn't have actual permission to publish the Cthulhu mythos...or something like that. Subsequent editions of that book don't have Cthulhu in it. So the original is much more valuable. Last I checked its worth around $50 ish.
 
2013-01-23 05:38:52 PM

gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.


I did to a girl that sat in on a game session.
 
2013-01-23 05:42:23 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: Weaver95: While I agree with your position in general, remember that by the time WoTC started screwing their pooch with 4e, they were owned by Hasbro. It was Hasbro that forced them to make 4e and drop the OGL concept as well as every move that has destroyed the face value of the D&D property.


I knew a guy who's dad was a high ranking guy at Hasbro.  He unexpectedly suicided right around the WOTC acquisition.

//probably totally irrelevant.
 
2013-01-23 05:44:14 PM

GRCooper: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Is there a story there? I played thirty years ago, but stopped around the time that came out - it might have been the last thing I bought.

Mom probably still has it in a box. She often reminds me she's still got all my old gaming stuff - she's waiting til it's worth a brazillian dollars


From what I member, they were sued by Lovecraft's estate and had to take it out out. Or maybe it was his publisher.

Either way in the late 80's to 90's we scoured used book stores looking for them. Supposedly they were quite valuable. Never found them and I always wondered of they where for real.
 
2013-01-23 05:45:56 PM

The Martian Manhandler: You can also try RPG.Net


Thanks for the link. That's one I didn't have in my bookmarks of places to look for games. :)
 
2013-01-23 05:50:57 PM
Are they going to release new comics for churches to give to kids about the dangers of D&D? I recall seeing a few of those about kids committing suicide over their character dying. Later while sitting in on (church active) friends playing D&D in the library at school, a kid walked up and told us "You're all going to hell." We laughed and returned to the game, he was serious. I never did play myself, but did enjoy listening to the story.
 
2013-01-23 06:02:33 PM
As much as I liked D&D, this has me wanting to play Paranoia.
 
2013-01-23 06:04:39 PM

big pig peaches: GRCooper: big pig peaches: Are they going to republish the Deities and Demigods with the H.P. Lovecraft mythologies?

Is there a story there? I played thirty years ago, but stopped around the time that came out - it might have been the last thing I bought.

Mom probably still has it in a box. She often reminds me she's still got all my old gaming stuff - she's waiting til it's worth a brazillian dollars

From what I member, they were sued by Lovecraft's estate and had to take it out out. Or maybe it was his publisher.

Either way in the late 80's to 90's we scoured used book stores looking for them. Supposedly they were quite valuable. Never found them and I always wondered of they where for real.


Thanks (Kimpak too). Yeah, they were def real. That might have been my HPL intro. Remember trying to figure out WTF a Cthulhu was :)

Need to get that box from mom, if only cuz my 12 yo nephew just got into DnD
 
2013-01-23 06:21:15 PM

Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!


THAC0 UBER ALLES!
 
2013-01-23 06:24:23 PM
Well, now I have a reason to dive through all my old storage boxes to see what books have been lost to the mists of time.
 
2013-01-23 06:31:27 PM
Once I get my tax refund, I might shell out for some of those .pdf's, depending on what is available. I really miss the classic versions of the Giants series of adventures, the absolutely *awesome* Temple of Elemental Evil, Axe of the Dwarvish Lords, and the quite delightful Tomb of Horrors, as well as some of the 2nd Edition stuff (Nightmare Keep as well as *both* versions of Castle Greyhawk (the quite silly version with the Random Monster Generator and the various Slaad monsters, and the serious version)). My nephews still have memories of me running them through Nightmare Keep, and I have fond memories of my brother running me through the Giants series and the Temple.
 
2013-01-23 06:32:16 PM
I love me some Ravenloft and Planescape, but not at those prices.
 
2013-01-23 06:51:37 PM
Eh, I've got all my 4E stuff, I'm good.

/yes, seriously, its great, you're just stupid.
 
2013-01-23 06:58:17 PM
Shortymac, there's a Fark Pathfinder Group?

I've been struggling to find more gamers for a while now.  I play twice a week over Skype and I'm trying (and failing) to organize an additional game.  I'm hoping to GM a few people new to playing tabletop rpgs, or at least new to playing over skype, in a slightly different system.

I'll assume roll20.net has been mentioned already in here?
 
2013-01-23 07:00:25 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.squaremans.com image 390x585]


I own this one, in it's original brown box, practically mint condition (never used it but there's some rust around the staples.) Picked it up at a used bookstore about 25 years ago, don't think they knew what it was. Just looked it up on ebay and it seems like value would be somewhere around $2-3k.
 
2013-01-23 07:06:45 PM

IronJelly: Shortymac, there's a Fark Pathfinder Group?

I've been struggling to find more gamers for a while now.  I play twice a week over Skype and I'm trying (and failing) to organize an additional game.  I'm hoping to GM a few people new to playing tabletop rpgs, or at least new to playing over skype, in a slightly different system.

I'll assume roll20.net has been mentioned already in here?


Yeah, there is, right now it's 7 of us. 2 of them GM and trade weeks. One is more RP heavy, the other is aiming to be an action movie dungeon crawl.
 
2013-01-23 07:07:46 PM

lack of warmth: Are they going to release new comics for churches to give to kids about the dangers of D&D? I recall seeing a few of those about kids committing suicide over their character dying. Later while sitting in on (church active) friends playing D&D in the library at school, a kid walked up and told us "You're all going to hell." We laughed and returned to the game, he was serious. I never did play myself, but did enjoy listening to the story.


Nah. If needed, they can just reprint some classic Jack Chick cartoon tracts...
 
2013-01-23 07:21:14 PM

darthaegis: As much as I liked D&D, this has me wanting to play Paranoia.


Paranoia?
How do you know about paranoia? You don't have the security clearance to know about that!
Are you some sort of illegal mutant?
 
2013-01-23 07:23:34 PM
I was looking at the site, but I can't find the handbooks that had the kits.
 
2013-01-23 07:38:03 PM
If it's not Pathfinder, then I'm not interested. WoTC lost me years ago.

/ I do accept that TSR was dead when WoTC bought AD&D and brought it back to life.
 
2013-01-23 07:55:22 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.


All these Star Frontiers races made a comeback in the D20 Future book, from the D20 Modern line.
 
2013-01-23 08:00:51 PM

mittromneysdog: Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.

All these Star Frontiers races made a comeback in the D20 Future book, from the D20 Modern line.



I always liked the Edestekai. Tri-laterally symetrical. But were they bugs or plants, or what?
 
2013-01-23 08:16:21 PM

darthaegis: As much as I liked D&D, this has me wanting to play Paranoia.


I have never actually PLAYED any pen and paper RPG, but I have a massive collection of games and supplements, but there's nothing I want to play as much as Paranoia. I'd have be a GM though, since I own or have already read every single thing published for the game. My clearance is obviously ultraviolet by now.
 
2013-01-23 08:18:00 PM

Trapper439: Beginner D&D: Being 10 and getting an inexplicable boner over the sample character in the red Basic D&D book. IIRC, her name was Morgan


i47.tinypic.com
Morgan Ironwolf
 
2013-01-23 08:20:31 PM

WinoRhino: deeproy: went looking for...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 218x300]

... didn't find it.

I guess, someday...

I have that one! And this one:

[www.twocatscomicbookstore.com image 600x600]


I used to have both of those, too! Did a lot of DMing, loved designing modules, etc. Somewhere in all my stuff, I'd like to think I've still got those books -- and a box of funny dice and several dozen hand-painted lead figures...

/puter gaming is fun, but it's just not the same...
 
2013-01-23 08:22:22 PM
relive the days before you lost your virginity

Are we sure 'before' can actually apply or are we jumping the gun here?
 
2013-01-23 08:24:00 PM
I played call of cthulhu.......21 years ago?

then turned to a life of booze, drugs. and easy living
 
2013-01-23 08:26:35 PM

macadamnut: mittromneysdog: Agent Smiths Laugh: likefunbutnot: ObscureNameHere: My 11 year-old son has a character rolled up for 'Star Frontiers' and we've played some sessions. A Dralasite, of course, because they are the coolest

Yazarians are Monkey/Cat people who have wings. If you want your kid running around pretending to be an amorphous tentacle monster, that's your business, but you are a bad parent if you aren't all about the Yazarians.

Screw that, it's all about the Vrusk.

Giant Spock bugs > all.

All these Star Frontiers races made a comeback in the D20 Future book, from the D20 Modern line.


I always liked the Edestekai. Tri-laterally symetrical. But were they bugs or plants, or what?


Honestly, never played Star Frontiers. But evidently I shouldn't say "all these Star Frontiers races," because this Edestekai wasn't among them. It has Aleerin, Dralasite, Fraal, Sesheyan, T'sa, Vrusk, Weren, and Yazirian. There was a supplement somewhere that had two more races; one I think was a kind of a walking squid thing, and another was some kind of a dinosaur race.
 
2013-01-23 08:44:41 PM
One of my favorites is on  there Ghost Tower of Inverness.  Still have my original copy too I think.  I do have all my original 1e hardcover books (DM's Guide, PH, MM, FF, etc.) also.  Even have the large map of Greyhawk.

Had many a good play session until I tried to take on Loki.  That lasted about 30 seconds, and my character only showed up as a ghost from then on.  Good times.

Yes we played fast and loose with the rules, however we played many a great session.  We even created some of our own monsters and other NPCs which became staples in all of our campaigns.  Good times.  Might have to get a few of these and possibly find a group to play with.
 
2013-01-23 09:29:08 PM

mittromneysdog: Trapper439: Beginner D&D: Being 10 and getting an inexplicable boner over the sample character in the red Basic D&D book. IIRC, her name was Morgan

[i47.tinypic.com image 399x400]
Morgan Ironwolf


Win.
 
2013-01-23 09:38:03 PM
I'd pay $100 for the entire collection of PDFs.
 
2013-01-23 09:43:00 PM
I haven't said the words "Temple of Elemental Evil" out loud in over 25 years.

Can't wait for Vecna Lives!, although my group actually lost to the sumbiatch, forcing me to scrap six months of storylines and rewrite everything.
 
2013-01-23 09:51:15 PM

mittromneysdog: Trapper439: Beginner D&D: Being 10 and getting an inexplicable boner over the sample character in the red Basic D&D book. IIRC, her name was Morgan

[i47.tinypic.com image 399x400]
Morgan Ironwolf


Forgotten Realms Grey Boxed Set: Half Elf

She still does it for me ;)
 
2013-01-23 10:17:09 PM
Came for references to the "Jen The Fredo" episode of "The IT Crowd" or the D&D episode of "Community", leaving with a sad.

Since Star Frontiers was mentioned, wanted to say , my teen kids, their friends, and I still play old school black box Traveller SF RPG. Indeed, they love it as much as or more than playing HALO on Xbox now. Though they differ from how my college buddies and I used to play: thanks to how their xbox games and MMO's emphasize building stats and accumulating loot, then buying up stuff, they play a much more mercenary, stats-centric style of play, and are as engrossed in totalling up fake credits and loot after saving the galaxy, as we used to be for just surviving the adventure.
 
2013-01-23 10:22:38 PM

Weaver95: RoyFokker'sGhost:
And I just picked up my Edge of the Empire boxed set. Can't wait for the game to go fully live and have support for a campaign :)

for convention play, I prefer Deathwatch or Dark Heresy.  they play well in that sort of setting, Black Crusade but...you really gotta watch the PG-13 stuff.  Slaanesh players...just sayin' man.  For an actual campaign I much prefer Rogue Trader.  that game is totally awesome when it comes to building a ship and crew and helping players really get into their roles as lords of all they survey.  since the players basically write the campaign (via the 'Endeavor' system) it makes running the game a LOT easier than you'd expect.


I'm almost 2 years into a Rogue Trader campaign, which has been freakin' awesome. Though I think the DM is getting bored, he's mentioned running a different game.

Do you prefer Deathwatch or Dark Heresy? He's mentioned both as possible new campaigns, but Rogue Trader is the only reference I have. I picked up 40K late in the game (as in, I randomly jumped into a Rogue Trader game, and loved every second).

Any other good 40K stuff you can recommend would be awesome!
 
2013-01-23 10:57:11 PM
Actually, I was into Jolt Cola and Skittles whilst playing MUDs.
 
2013-01-23 11:00:40 PM

mattador: Eh, I've got all my 4E stuff, I'm good.

/yes, seriously, its great, you're just stupid.


It's good, but an argument can be made that something has been sacrificed in the pursuit of class balance...

It's a matter of if you think it's worth it or not, and how good the DM is who runs it.
 
2013-01-24 12:40:11 AM
before? this is fark, you know.
 
2013-01-24 12:55:17 AM

yet_another_wumpus: ekdikeo4: Weaver95: as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.

I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.

Two things (in reverse order of what you said):
First, Magic the Gathering became a hit largely because of the internet. Yes, there was an internet before the world-wide-web, before the eternal September when AOL linked to the internet, and most college students were on it (possibly requiring a NeXT machine to make it easy). Hopefully WoTC execs understand this (I'm not betting on it, and I'm sure turnover especially after a buyout is high).

Second, once Gary Gygax was forced out you could say the same things about the CEO during the second edition AD&D era. Things were going downhill rather badly until WoTC bought them out.


Lorraine was a crazy, crazy biatch and a very bad CEO. See: Buck Rogers.
 
2013-01-24 12:55:51 AM
Second Ed had some great settings, but honestly, the systems before 3rd Ed were pretty clunky. In fact, RPG systems throughout, 3rd or 4th ed always seems to be where they get really good.
 
2013-01-24 12:56:54 AM
They're actually missing quite a few books various editions.
 
2013-01-24 01:02:24 AM

Xenomech: I'd pay $100 for the entire collection of PDFs.


Yeah, I'm not sure who they think is going to pay >50% of hardcover list-price PDFs of fifteen-year-old books - when anyone who wanted one of the out-of-print books probably pirated one 10 years ago, when they first went out of print.
 
2013-01-24 01:03:30 AM
Releasing RPG books as PDFs? Gee, why didn't anybody ever think of that before?

Oh wait....
 
2013-01-24 01:33:45 AM

gja: strangeluck: I cast MAGIC MISSILE!

/never played DnD, but love that skit based on it.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 259x194]
/also liked to cast magic missile, to attack the dark


Not to nit-pick too much, but the skit you're talking about was made by the Dead Alewives in 1996. The machinima you posted a still from uses that soundtrack but was made in 2000 by Volition, Inc. The Dead Alewives had nothing to do with the machinima (other than the soundtrack); the original was audio only.

The machinima used characters from the game Summoner, which was a really, really good CRPG if you don't mind the graphics being 13 years out of date.
 
2013-01-24 01:41:20 AM

Ashrams: Have they finally balanced the Armor Class issue?
[manteresting.com image 249x311]
[chapleau.us image 450x548]
[extralives.files.wordpress.com image 750x574]


It's been addressed.

Here are some examples.
 
2013-01-24 01:43:06 AM

Evil Mackerel: moos: Are the elves green?

Yes, and they keep shooting the food.


... and are about to die, because wizard needs food, badly.
 
2013-01-24 01:48:13 AM

JohnnyC: The Martian Manhandler: JohnnyC:

shortymac: HUG, try organizing a game via Skype and Maptools online, it's what the fark Pathfinder group is doing currently.

That's kind of what I'm hoping for at this point... sorta makes me sad though. My wife bought me these really badass Dwarven Metal Dice (solid metal RPG dice set)... I made a cool cork lined tray and a rabbit pelt dice bag to carry them in (I can post some pics if you're really interested). Would seem like a waste to only roll digital dice. But I would still like to find a game, even if it is just online play.


Digital dice just don't give the same feeling. There's something about physical dice. And I'll just leave this here:


Roll a d6
 
2013-01-24 02:00:50 AM
My list from over the years:
Basic Dungeons and Dragons, followed by the Expert Set
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, First Edition (all the books. . . ALL)
AD&D 2nd
D3D (D20 Dungeons and Dragons)
Gamma World 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th editions
Metamorphosis Alpha
Top Secret
Top Secret:SI
Twilight 2000
Traveller (original edition)
Traveller 2300 (actually unrelated to the Traveller universe)
MegaTraveller
Star Frontiers (original Alpha Dawn edition and Zebulon's Guide to Frontier Space)
Marvel Super Heroes
Boot Hill
Paranoia
Car Wars (it counts, you can have character development)
Mechwarrior (ditto)
DC Heroes
Villains and Vigilantes
Champions 1st through nth editions (including HERO 4th)
Superworld
Heroes and Heroines
Underground
Heroes Unlimited 1st and 2nd editions, and Revised, with all supplements
Rifts
Robotech (All of it, Macross through Invid Invasion and Sentinels)
Beyond The Supernatural
Palladium
Star Wars (Original Game)
Star Wars D20
Star Trek RPG
Vampire:The Masquerade (since the first edition)
Werewolf: The Apocalypse (ditto)
Mage: The Ascension (ditto)
Cyberpunk 2020
Shadowrun (all editions)
Mekton
Middle-Earth RolePlaying
D20 Deadlands
Legend of the Five rings (D20:Rokugan version, plus own original Lo5R books)
SpyCraft (D:20)
GURPS, which breaks into many sub games
*GURPS Supers
*GURPS Traveller
*GURPS Fantasy
*GURPS Espionage
*GURPS Black Ops
*GURPS Technomancer
*GURPS Transhuman Space
*GURPS Horror
*GURPS Castle Falkenstein
*GURPS Humanx (From Alan Dean Foster's Commonwealth books)
*GURPS Riverworld (From the Philip Jose Farmer series)
*GURPS Chtorr (From David Gerrold's The War Against The Chtorr)
*GURPS Wild Cards (From the shared world series edited by George R.R. Martin)
*ETC ETC ETC Lots of GURPS
 
2013-01-24 02:01:12 AM

RevMark: I preferred Harn from Columbia Games. The mechanics were better - more true to life.

Wiki page about Harn

Harn at Columbia Games


I could never find anyone else who wanted to play Hârn. Bought a bunch of the books and maps back in the 1980s, spent hours reading them and looking over them and imagining what kind of character I would play if I every found someone to run a game. Got really excited when HârnMaster came out (Yes, I was a fan of Hârn before HârnMaster was published). Never did actually play, not even once. Plenty of people who would play D&D or Traveller with me, but never Hârn. I suppose on my deathbed one of my regrets will be that I never actually played the game.

On another note, apparently Traveller is making a comeback these days.  So who knows?
 
2013-01-24 02:07:19 AM

ciberido: On another note, apparently Traveller is making a comeback these days.


I forgot to add Mongoose Traveller to my list! I've been running a game for the last three months, and forgot to put it on my list.

I am a very attention-deficit nerd.
 
2013-01-24 02:07:21 AM

The Flexecutioner: JohnnyC: shortymac: Ooooo pictures please! While I too miss rolling dice the online version we got going is working out really well.

Here is the dice bag:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x569]

And here is the cork/leather lined rolling tray with my dwarven metal dice in it:
[www.johncathcart.com image 850x574]

Both the bag and tray are hand made/drawn/painted and constructed. That's a buckskin draw tie and wrapped around the handles of the tray and cowhide leather on the bottom of the tray with cork underneath the leather.

I would have felt bad throwing those dice on someone's wooden table (they'll leave dents)... so I made the cork/leather lined rolling tray so I wouldn't damage people's stuff. They still make a nice "thud" when they're thrown. :)

haha, sure beat my old Crown Royal bag. but it could double as a real life sap if needed. sucker weighed about 6 lbs.


Yes, but Crown Royal bags also do an excellent job of containing Blackened Denarius coins, which is useful when fighting fallen angels.
 
2013-01-24 02:09:54 AM

ekdikeo4: gilgigamesh: Agent Smiths Laugh: I lost my virginity because of D&D.

/back before most people knew nerd girls were even a thing

I lost my virginity to the one chick in our D&D group.

I did to a girl that sat in on a game session.


That's taking LARP one step too far.
 
2013-01-24 03:59:47 AM
I disbelieve.
 
2013-01-24 05:42:49 AM
I had D&D for Intellivision. It was sweet.
 
2013-01-24 09:15:35 AM

CygnusDarius: Elandriel: Behold the triumphant return of THAC0!!

Fark that shiat.

/Lived through the dying days to 2nd
//And then unto 3rd and 3.5
///Hated 4e, and I'm sticking with Pathfinder


This
 
2013-01-24 09:20:51 AM

Boojum2k: My list from over the years:
***Snip awe-inspiring list**

Damn dude! I don't think I can claim half of that list and I thought I was 'well gamed' back in the day. So from 1982 to about 1989, my list would be (including some 'played once' items). in no particular order:

D&D (red, blue, green, black boxes)
AD&D (blue-ish cover with a wizard on it for the Player's Guide, Unearthed Arcana, Deities & DemiGods, I think there was an Wilderness one?, an 'Asian' one (Oriental Adventures?) etc)
Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn, Knight Hawks, Zebulon's Guide
Traveller
Star Trek RPG (West End games I think)
Star Wars RPG
Warhammer RPG
Marvel Super Heroes (loved the Hero creation system)
'Toon' ( think)-Some game where you were cartoon characters and could reach 'off-screen' for stuff (more of a 'party game' than a RPG I guess)
Robotech
Gamma World (not for long, just couldn't seem to 'get into' the world very well)

Of course, I am not counting the many "Fighting Fantasy" books and variants thereof (lived in the country, no one else to game with lots of times)

 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-24 11:17:15 AM

ciberido: gja: strangeluck: I cast MAGIC MISSILE!

/never played DnD, but love that skit based on it.

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 259x194]
/also liked to cast magic missile, to attack the dark

Not to nit-pick too much, but the skit you're talking about was made by the Dead Alewives in 1996. The machinima you posted a still from uses that soundtrack but was made in 2000 by Volition, Inc. The Dead Alewives had nothing to do with the machinima (other than the soundtrack); the original was audio only.

The machinima used characters from the game Summoner, which was a really, really good CRPG if you don't mind the graphics being 13 years out of date.


Oh yeah, I know. But it's just so damned funny. I laugh/snort every time I watch it (yes, i r a geek)
 
2013-01-24 12:01:11 PM

JohnnyC: I've been looking for a good D&D game to get into... I moved to a new town where I don't know anyone. I have kids and spend a good portion of my time taking care of them and don't get out of the house a whole lot. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a good game.


I've got a friend in Grand Blanc that might know some people or be able to get in contact with his old group. I can put you in touch with him, if'n you'd like. He's in grad school in Detroit at the moment, but he spends time up there occasionally.

Sadly, I'm on the other side of the state, else I'd invite you to our group.
 
2013-01-24 12:05:52 PM

mattador: Eh, I've got all my 4E stuff, I'm good.

/yes, seriously, its great, you're just stupid.


I feel the same way about 4e. (Fist pump) I found the "lack of roleplay" comment laughable because to me roleplay is all in your head and a DM can always do a skill-check against the basic stats. Combat was streamlined and it made more sense to me than 3.5e.

3.5 was very munchkin-friendly and forced you to set up a character in a certain way, so much for RP.

I hope in 5e they don't get rid of all the innovations of 4e just due to the haters. I heard they are bringing back Vancian magic, which I hate and it makes no sense.

But this is a step in the right direction releasing all the classics to keep everyone happy.
 
2013-01-24 12:41:45 PM
shortymac
I hope in 5e they don't get rid of all the innovations of 4e just due to the haters. I heard they are bringing back Vancian magic, which I hate and it makes no sense.

"Quick, Aramil! Use that same jump-in-the-air-and-make-three-attacks move you did a second ago!"
"I can't! It's still the same fight!"
 
2013-01-24 12:53:49 PM

Mike Chewbacca: yet_another_wumpus: ekdikeo4: Weaver95: as I said many times before when this was announced yesterday...while I applaud this effort and believe it to be a VERY good business move...it's far far too little and very late to the table.  about 5 years too late, in fact.  WoTC is attempting to reverse the damage done to their business model by a CEO who is/was a f*cking moron with no understanding of his target market or the genre he was selling.  But hey, he got his golden parachute so go capitalism go!

*sigh*

sorry.  i'm only slightly bitter about that.  again, WoTC is behind the bell curve on this one.  paizo and several other companies grabbed hold of the digital sales market 5 years ago and 1. hammered out the technical issues long, long ago and 2. established trust with their customers and built up a reputation for selling a quality product at a decent price.  Paizo has even started including digital maps specifically designed to work with tablet computers, and that will 'layer in' DM info, then remove it at a touch so players can look at it and use it during play.

not saying WoTC can't make a go of this tech but...they've shot themselves in BOTH feet, then decided to run a marathon race 20 min after the starting gun went off.

I think this marks the largest "old" company that I've heard of actually -getting- how the digital world works now.

Two things (in reverse order of what you said):
First, Magic the Gathering became a hit largely because of the internet. Yes, there was an internet before the world-wide-web, before the eternal September when AOL linked to the internet, and most college students were on it (possibly requiring a NeXT machine to make it easy). Hopefully WoTC execs understand this (I'm not betting on it, and I'm sure turnover especially after a buyout is high).

Second, once Gary Gygax was forced out you could say the same things about the CEO during the second edition AD&D era. Things were going downhill rather badly until WoTC bought them ...


THIS

At Fan Expo Ed Greenwood, forgotten realms creator, talked about the management bungles of WOTC, Hasboro, and TSR.

At TSR employees would make him deliver bad news to her because he wasn't a employee and thus couldn't be fired. Everyone there was afraid of her and there was a lot of business mistakes.

/He's never been an employee apparently, only a consultant for all 3 companies
//According to him, Hasboro wants "a nice big box that a parent buys at walmart and puts it under the xmas tree. Which is why we're in this situation."
 
2013-01-24 12:57:09 PM

RanDomino: shortymac
I hope in 5e they don't get rid of all the innovations of 4e just due to the haters. I heard they are bringing back Vancian magic, which I hate and it makes no sense.

"Quick, Aramil! Use that same jump-in-the-air-and-make-three-attacks move you did a second ago!"
"I can't! It's still the same fight!"


Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.
 
2013-01-24 02:08:42 PM

shortymac: mattador: Eh, I've got all my 4E stuff, I'm good.

/yes, seriously, its great, you're just stupid.

I feel the same way about 4e. (Fist pump) I found the "lack of roleplay" comment laughable because to me roleplay is all in your head and a DM can always do a skill-check against the basic stats. Combat was streamlined and it made more sense to me than 3.5e.

3.5 was very munchkin-friendly and forced you to set up a character in a certain way, so much for RP..


You CAN roleplay with any system, and you will find good roleplayers eventually no matter which system you use. But some systems are a little bit more conducive to roleplaying than others, and rolepleyers tend to gravitate towards those systems.
 
2013-01-24 03:02:05 PM
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2013-01-24 09:10:39 PM
In the fark Pathfinder group, my halfling rogue has skinned a direweasel and is going to make a pimp-coat out of it.

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2013-01-25 12:48:38 AM
shortymac
Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage

As a game mechanic, it's great. 4E is a great game... a great board game. As an RPG, it's terrible. I mean, mini-game-like "skill challenges" for non-combat encounters? What happened to having to think of solutions and try them?

and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

Eh, there's an in-universe justification for that system- a spellcaster needs eight hours (or whatever) to rest and around an hour to mostly-cast the spells, except for the very last step which triggers it. So he's storing the prepared spells in his head all day, and can't replace them without clearing his head for a few hours.
Keep in mind that this system was written 35 or so years ago, when magic in fiction and games was still treated as incredibly rare and difficult to master, as in decades of study to learn the most basic spells and casting one was the equivalent of reciting a computer program written in Japanese translated into Swahili (and if you mispronounce one word half way through, too bad!). Before people got used to the idea of mana pools and machine-gun-like push-button-cast-spell mechanics. So the idea that a powerful wizard could still only cast a few spells a day was completely normal. I don't think it could rightly be called D&D without that.

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.

And then an unstoppable force of destruction at higher levels... At 17th level, a fighter gets +1 to-hit; a wizard makes causality and the space-time continuum his biatch.
 
2013-01-25 02:57:43 AM
shortymac:

Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.


I find it interesting that this same talking point gets hauled out every single time someone brings up a preference against 4e. (And I'm not really trying to pick a fight, but this gets a little old.)

The reality is, if your 1st level Wizard can only cast one spell per day (and do nothing else), you might want to rethink whomever is running your Wizard. Because the guy rolling up that Wizard apparently decided to use Intelligence as a dump stat. If said Wizard has so much as a 12 Intelligence, they're already running two spells per day, in addition to the other things they're able to do. Find them a wand (Magic Missile or Sleep), and they're worth any fighter in the group.

And here's the thing: Yeah, Wizards are pretty squishy in 3.5, for the first couple of levels. But with just the slightest application of Mage Armor and Sleep, they're more than powerful enough to justify their space in the party. And when they hit their stride by 5th level or so, there's next to nothing that can match them for sheer power. It's the trade-off, and being that very few games are stuck at levels 1~4, I don't really understand the tired old whinge that they're boring or fodder. (Any more than a dedicated healer would be.)

The best thing about 3.5, which I never see being brought up in any thread about 4e, is that the load-out of feats and character options allows pretty much any sort of character that you can conceive of. Multi-classing allows you to tweak out a character in fascinating ways, and prestige classes allow for an inane amount of character depth. The contention that there's only one survivable build of a character is silly, given all the options that are available. As long as some basic roles are filled within the party, most things are open.

/ seriously not trying to pick a fight
// if you're happy with your game, stick with it
/// stale talking points are for the Politics tab, though
 
2013-01-25 10:46:46 AM

vermiis: shortymac:

Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.

I find it interesting that this same talking point gets hauled out every single time someone brings up a preference against 4e. (And I'm not really trying to pick a fight, but this gets a little old.)

The reality is, if your 1st level Wizard can only cast one spell per day (and do nothing else), you might want to rethink whomever is running your Wizard. Because the guy rolling up that Wizard apparently decided to use Intelligence as a dump stat. If said Wizard has so much as a 12 Intelligence, they're already running two spells per day, in addition to the other things they're able to do. Find them a wand (Magic Missile or Sleep), and they're worth any fighter in the group.

And here's the thing: Yeah, Wizards are pretty squishy in 3.5, for the first couple of levels. But with just the slightest application of Mage Armor and Sleep, they're more than powerful enough to justify their space in the party. And when they hit their stride by 5th level or so, there's next to nothing that can match them for sheer power. It's the trade-off, and being that very few games are stuck at levels 1~4, I don't really understand the tired old whinge that they're boring or fodder. (Any more than a dedicated healer would be.)

The best thing about 3.5, which I never see being brought up in any thread about 4e, is that the load-out of feats and character options allows pretty much any sort of character that you can conceive of. Multi-classing allows you to tweak out a character in fascinating ways, and prestige classes allow for an inane amount of character depth. The contention that there's only one survivable build of a character is silly, given all the options that are availabl ...


Ah, good points.  I like HERO for the reason that you can make any character feasible.  An old saying we used to have at the table was ' "That's not how you do that" is a D&Dism, "That's one way to do that" is a HEROism.'  And i've been in games ranging from giant anime mecha robots that hurled planets at one another as weapons, down to a little old lady sluething around the retirement home and dueling with an umbrella (and she died violently to a cthulu-type monster).

And my problem with 4e was sort of the opposite side of the coin from yours.  They made fighters into melee wizards.  Essentially all the classes worked the same, more like an MMO, which i really thought was entirely so they could tie it into D&D Online or the new Neverwinter or something.  Still, they dumbed the system down, which is great for getting new players in, but frustrating to those who know 3.5 and before.  This is also why i have trouble with some MMOs, the class restrictions suck.  So my warrior can never learn a spell, and i'm limited to the few choices i'm given, basically power A or power B?

Crap, my last warrior in a Fantasy Hero game was a frail old sage who kept and drank potions of Youth he invented that turned him into a gorilla of a barbarian for an hour at a time, and that barbarian had, besides wicked strength and a huge greatsword, a ranged attack in which he could concentrate his stench into a blinding/gagging cloud.

Make that work in D&D 4th ed.  That might even be a bit tough in 3.5.
 
2013-01-25 01:08:10 PM

RanDomino: shortymac
Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage

As a game mechanic, it's great. 4E is a great game... a great board game. As an RPG, it's terrible. I mean, mini-game-like "skill challenges" for non-combat encounters? What happened to having to think of solutions and try them?

and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

Eh, there's an in-universe justification for that system- a spellcaster needs eight hours (or whatever) to rest and around an hour to mostly-cast the spells, except for the very last step which triggers it. So he's storing the prepared spells in his head all day, and can't replace them without clearing his head for a few hours.
Keep in mind that this system was written 35 or so years ago, when magic in fiction and games was still treated as incredibly rare and difficult to master, as in decades of study to learn the most basic spells and casting one was the equivalent of reciting a computer program written in Japanese translated into Swahili (and if you mispronounce one word half way through, too bad!). Before people got used to the idea of mana pools and machine-gun-like push-button-cast-spell mechanics. So the idea that a powerful wizard could still only cast a few spells a day was completely normal. I don't think it could rightly be called D&D without that.

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.

And then an unstoppable force of destruction at higher levels... At 17th level, a fighter gets +1 to-hit; a wizard makes causality and the space-time continuum his biatch.


Yeah but try GETTING to those levels.

In fact, I think it was one of the D&D Next panels claimed they did a survey and found out that most people never break 10th level due to time constraints, groups falling apart, etc.

Maybe it's because I'm a younging (26) that I feel vancian magic is "unnatural" and "cumbersome". I suspect in 5e they are going to make it a choice. But who the hell knows, now anyway.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:55 PM

vermiis: shortymac:

Yes, I know it's a game mechanic, but I found the at-will/encounter/once-a-day system easier to manage and makes more sense (as a magic-user anyway) than "prepare a spell in advance and only use once a day".

At least in 4e playing a low-level wizard wasn't boring or a deadly occupation.

I find it interesting that this same talking point gets hauled out every single time someone brings up a preference against 4e. (And I'm not really trying to pick a fight, but this gets a little old.)

The reality is, if your 1st level Wizard can only cast one spell per day (and do nothing else), you might want to rethink whomever is running your Wizard. Because the guy rolling up that Wizard apparently decided to use Intelligence as a dump stat. If said Wizard has so much as a 12 Intelligence, they're already running two spells per day, in addition to the other things they're able to do. Find them a wand (Magic Missile or Sleep), and they're worth any fighter in the group.

And here's the thing: Yeah, Wizards are pretty squishy in 3.5, for the first couple of levels. But with just the slightest application of Mage Armor and Sleep, they're more than powerful enough to justify their space in the party. And when they hit their stride by 5th level or so, there's next to nothing that can match them for sheer power. It's the trade-off, and being that very few games are stuck at levels 1~4, I don't really understand the tired old whinge that they're boring or fodder. (Any more than a dedicated healer would be.)

The best thing about 3.5, which I never see being brought up in any thread about 4e, is that the load-out of feats and character options allows pretty much any sort of character that you can conceive of. Multi-classing allows you to tweak out a character in fascinating ways, and prestige classes allow for an inane amount of character depth. The contention that there's only one survivable build of a character is silly, given all the options that are availabl ...


I'd argue that most people get "stuck" between levels 1 to 4 because it takes a while to level up and half the time groups dissolve due to changing circumstances.

The highest level I have ever attained is 6 I believe, then the group I was in dissolved. I'm lucky to get to level 2 actually. I remember listen to a D&D talk and they realized that most people don't break level 10, which has been my experience.

I do agree that with 4e lack of customization was a huge problem, along with the splitting up of books cash-grab, lack of support, and lackluster launch.

However, I do believe that re-releasing all editions is what going to save WOTC ass, I wished they had done it 5 years earlier. Everyone has their favorite edition and they are just torrenting them now.

I also hope they do an app/Amazon style "publish your adventure" online store, it's a way to keep profits within WOTC yet still have the freedom of the OGL.
 
2013-01-26 12:09:41 PM

shortymac: In fact, I think it was one of the D&D Next panels claimed they did a survey and found out that most people never break 10th level due to time constraints, groups falling apart, etc.


That's an interesting factoid, simply because it's never been my experience. Most of my groups tend to top out around 14th level, give or take, and I know of more than a few GM's that dislike levels above 10th, simply because the shift in power dynamics gets too great. Combat tends to go from basic round-by-round attrition to "what parts of the opposition can be eliminated from participating in combat in the first round."

Maybe it's because I'm a younging (26) that I feel vancian magic is "unnatural" and "cumbersome". I suspect in 5e they are going to make it a choice. But who the hell knows, now anyway.

The original marketing for 4e felt a lot like it was appealing to a wholly different demographic that was more used to Warcraft and Everquest than the original systems. Where 3.0/3.5 was working heavily on the extant groups that remembered and enjoyed 1st and 2nd Editions, 4e felt a lot more MMO-inspired and internet biased (just from the inane cartoons that they used to advertise).

And once-per-day abilities don't work at all in a semi-real time computer world. It only makes sense that, if the marketing was focused in that direction, they'd modify that mechanic to what their demographic was comfortable with.

shortymac:
I'd argue that most people get "stuck" between levels 1 to 4 because it takes a while to level up and half the time groups dissolve due to changing circumstances.

The highest level I have ever attained is 6 I believe, then the group I was in dissolved. I'm lucky to get to level 2 actually. I remember listen to a D&D talk and they realized that most people don't break level 10, which has been my experience.


That sucks. I feel for you, as I've had groups like that in the past. Hells, even when I was living in South Korea, I was able to get a group that was more constant than that.

I do agree that with 4e lack of customization was a huge problem, along with the splitting up of books cash-grab, lack of support, and lackluster launch.

There were a lot of strange problems with the 4e launch. I happened to be on a bus with Rob Kuntz (one Gygax's inner circle) when 4e was announced, and he was talking about how the industry at large was pretty unimpressed with how it was being handled. (And the following success of Paizo's Pathfinder speaks to how a sizable faction of the customers reacted as well.)

The feeling at the time was that Hasbro wanted something a lot flashier that could tap into the wholly ridiculous online numbers of the various MMO's, rather than keep the interest of the grognards, as it were. It makes sense, from a corporate standpoint, but considering that 3.5 was, far and away, the most successful edition of D&D, they weren't going to get much improvement on that. The hobby just doesn't work that way.

However, I do believe that re-releasing all editions is what going to save WOTC ass, I wished they had done it 5 years earlier. Everyone has their favorite edition and they are just torrenting them now.

It's going to be interesting to watch. Personally, I've made it a point to get a lot of the reprints (the 1st Edition set, as well as the errata'd 3.5 set), so they've gotten that much money from me. I just wonder how many people are content to leave that particular bridge burnt.

I also hope they do an app/Amazon style "publish your adventure" online store, it's a way to keep profits within WOTC yet still have the freedom of the OGL.

Now that would be an interesting move. There's potential there, but it really doesn't seem like something that Hasbro would be interested in bothering with. They killed off the much vaunted Gleemax project before it even got any steam under it, and this would require as much, if not more, outlay of time and money.
 
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