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(Talking Points Memo)   Hillary Clinton has had enough of the GOP's Benghazi shenanigans   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 680
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2013-01-23 11:11:18 AM  
www.geekyasianguy.com

you mean it's not a scandal yet?
 
2013-01-23 11:14:14 AM  

FlashHarry: [www.geekyasianguy.com image 550x400]

you mean it's not a scandal yet?


still not, never will be.
 
2013-01-23 11:17:39 AM  
If you still think the GOP is after facts and how to keep this from being an issue in the future... then you are not paying attention.
They have no other agenda then to try and make ANYONE look worse then them.


GOP is is a dying entity. Luckily enough for the rest of the Country...
 
2013-01-23 11:18:47 AM  
I love how Hillary looks during all this.  The questions appear to be of two types: ignorant hyperbole by people who are so new at this they don't know thing 1 about how intelligence (or just about anything else) works, or outright bullshiat by people who know better but are playing for their base.
 
2013-01-23 11:19:23 AM  
And there's really no populated thread on this already?
 
2013-01-23 11:21:58 AM  

vygramul: I love how Hillary looks during all this.  The questions appear to be of two types: ignorant hyperbole by people who are so new at this they don't know thing 1 about how intelligence (or just about anything else) works, or outright bullshiat by people who know better but are playing for their base.


Rand Paul apparently called it the "worst tragedy since 9/11"

Uh, no that would probably go to Newtown, wouldn't it?
 
2013-01-23 11:22:48 AM  
Oof, she shut that shiat down. Good for her.
 
2013-01-23 11:33:15 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: I love how Hillary looks during all this.  The questions appear to be of two types: ignorant hyperbole by people who are so new at this they don't know thing 1 about how intelligence (or just about anything else) works, or outright bullshiat by people who know better but are playing for their base.

Rand Paul apparently called it the "worst tragedy since 9/11"

Uh, no that would probably go to Newtown, wouldn't it?


I was going to let that slide, since he could have meant up until that point.  But Aurora was still worse, and I'm sure that we can find lots of tragedies in the intervening 11 years that were worse than Benghazi.

Unless you value some human lives more than others.
 
2013-01-23 11:33:36 AM  
Partisans.

Where would we be without them?
 
2013-01-23 11:34:27 AM  

vygramul: I'm sure that we can find lots of tragedies in the intervening 11 years that were worse than Benghazi.


Thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of others died during the--

vygramul: Unless you value some human lives more than others.


Oh, right.
 
2013-01-23 11:36:35 AM  

vygramul: cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: I love how Hillary looks during all this.  The questions appear to be of two types: ignorant hyperbole by people who are so new at this they don't know thing 1 about how intelligence (or just about anything else) works, or outright bullshiat by people who know better but are playing for their base.

Rand Paul apparently called it the "worst tragedy since 9/11"

Uh, no that would probably go to Newtown, wouldn't it?

I was going to let that slide, since he could have meant up until that point.  But Aurora was still worse, and I'm sure that we can find lots of tragedies in the intervening 11 years that were worse than Benghazi.

Unless you value some human lives talking points more than others.

 
2013-01-23 11:42:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: vygramul: I love how Hillary looks during all this.  The questions appear to be of two types: ignorant hyperbole by people who are so new at this they don't know thing 1 about how intelligence (or just about anything else) works, or outright bullshiat by people who know better but are playing for their base.

Rand Paul apparently called it the "worst tragedy since 9/11"

Uh, no that would probably go to Newtown, wouldn't it?


I'd say the 4,400 dead and 32,000 wounded troops in Iraq are a greater tragedy.
 
2013-01-23 11:43:02 AM  
Why is any of this necessary?  Honestly, isn't the proper response to this from day one to say:  "Huh.  That sucks.  Guess maybe we should re-evaluate embassy security" and go from there?
 
2013-01-23 11:43:12 AM  
i'm the last one to defend Hillary f*cking Clinton but....I gotta admit, she handled this morning's questions very well indeed.  she didn't give the GOP what they wanted and I think they know it.  they'll use what little they DID get mind you, but I suspect it won't amount to much at all.

Hilliary ain't out of the woods yet tho, she's got one more round of hearings to go yet today.  if the Republicans are any kind of intelligent, they'll watch the footage from the first round, and look for any flaws or openings Hillary left hanging in the first round...then hammer the shiat outta her on whatever they find.
 
2013-01-23 11:43:44 AM  
vygramul:Unless you value some human lives more than others.

Republicans: It is fine if Americans kill Americans, but you better not let those farking brown people do it.
 
2013-01-23 11:44:29 AM  

nekom: Why is any of this necessary?

B

ecause the GOP needs a scandal for 2014.  they *need* something they can go after Obama on, they need an issue, a scandal, something to be outraged about.
 
2013-01-23 11:44:41 AM  
The GOP makes me sick, and I'm glad Secretary Clinton stood up to that pandering moran.

Classy lady.

Hillary 2016.
 
2013-01-23 11:45:41 AM  
MmmmBacon:

Hillary 2016.

I hope to never see that happen.  Hillary would be as bad as Romney, but for different reasons.
 
2013-01-23 11:48:27 AM  

MmmmBacon: Hillary 2016.


She's going to be too old by then.
 
2013-01-23 11:48:52 AM  

Weaver95: i'm the last one to defend Hillary f*cking Clinton but....I gotta admit, she handled this morning's questions very well indeed.  she didn't give the GOP what they wanted and I think they know it.  they'll use what little they DID get mind you, but I suspect it won't amount to much at all.

Hilliary ain't out of the woods yet tho, she's got one more round of hearings to go yet today.  if the Republicans are any kind of intelligent, they'll watch the footage from the first round, and look for any flaws or openings Hillary left hanging in the first round...then hammer the shiat outta her on whatever they find.


The right thing for them to do is to be as stupid as humanly possible.  They will ALWAYS be in the right with anyone who voted for Romney, and they might be able to get Hillary to totally lose it out of frustration over how stupid it is.  "Why does it MATTER!?  Four Americans are dead!" was getting close.
 
2013-01-23 11:48:53 AM  

Weaver95: if the Republicans are any kind of intelligent,


tee hee
 
2013-01-23 11:49:35 AM  

nekom: Why is any of this necessary?  Honestly, isn't the proper response to this from day one to say:  "Huh.  That sucks.  Guess maybe we should re-evaluate embassy security" and go from there?


the GOP always puts party before country. they see this as a way to hurt democrats rather than protect diplomatic personnel.
 
2013-01-23 11:50:21 AM  

mitchcumstein1: MmmmBacon: Hillary 2016.

She's going to be too old by then.


As harsh as people are on men who are old running for president, Hillary, who will be, what, 69?  will suffer even harsher judgment.
 
2013-01-23 11:53:21 AM  

Weaver95: Because the GOP needs a scandal for 2014. they *need* something they can go after Obama on, they need an issue, a scandal, something to be outraged about.


I get that, but even from the GOP's perspective, this is TOTAL weaksauce.  I mean there is just NOTHING to this.  No legs.  Wouldn't they be best to stick to how 0bummercare is socialism or maybe fark that Kenya chicken some more?  This is the best they can come up with?
 
2013-01-23 11:56:59 AM  

nekom: Weaver95: Because the GOP needs a scandal for 2014. they *need* something they can go after Obama on, they need an issue, a scandal, something to be outraged about.

I get that, but even from the GOP's perspective, this is TOTAL weaksauce.  I mean there is just NOTHING to this.  No legs.  Wouldn't they be best to stick to how 0bummercare is socialism or maybe fark that Kenya chicken some more?  This is the best they can come up with?



They want to blame someone for something.... anything will do.
 
2013-01-23 11:57:41 AM  

nekom: Weaver95: Because the GOP needs a scandal for 2014. they *need* something they can go after Obama on, they need an issue, a scandal, something to be outraged about.

I get that, but even from the GOP's perspective, this is TOTAL weaksauce.  I mean there is just NOTHING to this.  No legs.  Wouldn't they be best to stick to how 0bummercare is socialism or maybe fark that Kenya chicken some more?  This is the best they can come up with?


they'll edit, re-edit and chop up the footage they get from today and process it until they MAKE it more substantial.  it'll take some time and a lot of work but...remember who the target audience is here - it's not the '47%', it's the rank and file GOP types who wavered in the last election cycle.  they're banking on some good old Hillary hate to push voters back into the Republican camp for 2014.  this isn't election stuff, this is damage control.  Desperate damage control at that.
 
2013-01-23 11:58:44 AM  

vygramul: mitchcumstein1: MmmmBacon: Hillary 2016.

She's going to be too old by then.

As harsh as people are on men who are old running for president, Hillary, who will be, what, 69?  will suffer even harsher judgment.


She would, but I honestly think that's too old to be the President of The United States in today's world. It's too hard on a body. Look what it's done to Barack, not to mention Bush and Clinton before him. They were young men, and it turned them old.
 
2013-01-23 12:00:57 PM  

Weaver95: i'm the last one to defend Hillary f*cking Clinton but....I gotta admit, she handled this morning's questions very well indeed.  she didn't give the GOP what they wanted and I think they know it.  they'll use what little they DID get mind you, but I suspect it won't amount to much at all.

Hilliary ain't out of the woods yet tho, she's got one more round of hearings to go yet today.  if the Republicans are any kind of intelligent, they'll watch the footage from the first round, and look for any flaws or openings Hillary left hanging in the first round...then hammer the shiat outta her on whatever they find.


So you're saying the Republicans will go over the hearing replays to adjust and strengthen their offense and defense plays, ust like in middle school football?
 
2013-01-23 12:01:06 PM  
www.dailyhaiku.com

Huh. I wonder what happened in early November to cause all this Benghazi talk to drop off a cliff. Any ideas?
 
2013-01-23 12:01:13 PM  
Hillary poured soup on that whiny prick. Good for her.
 
2013-01-23 12:02:07 PM  

nekom: Weaver95: Because the GOP needs a scandal for 2014. they *need* something they can go after Obama on, they need an issue, a scandal, something to be outraged about.

I get that, but even from the GOP's perspective, this is TOTAL weaksauce.  I mean there is just NOTHING to this.  No legs.  Wouldn't they be best to stick to how 0bummercare is socialism or maybe fark that Kenya chicken some more?  This is the best they can come up with?


These are the same folks that championed the birther movement.
 
2013-01-23 12:02:29 PM  
Bill was the nice one. This is the one you didn't want to piss off. Well, they done did it.
 
2013-01-23 12:02:56 PM  
AirForceVet:
So you're saying the Republicans will go over the hearing replays to adjust and strengthen their offense and defense plays, ust like in middle school football?

that's what I'd be doing right now if I were them.
 
2013-01-23 12:03:02 PM  

vartian: Republicans: It is fine if Americans kill Americans, but you better not let those farking brown people do it.


Oh, so look who loves outsourcing now...
 
2013-01-23 12:03:25 PM  

mitchcumstein1: She would, but I honestly think that's too old to be the President of The United States in today's world. It's too hard on a body. Look what it's done to Barack, not to mention Bush and Clinton before him. They were young men, and it turned them old.


That was part of my criticism of McCain.  Well, besides the fact that 2008 McCain was NO 2000 McCain, but his age was part of the reason I decided to support Obama.  You do have to be ready for that cliche 3AM phone call.  But I don't know, my grandmother is 75.  My wife's grandmother is 85.  They both have their wits about them, though they don't get around as well as younger folks do.  I am 100% certain that Hillary would have won in 2008 vs. McCain, or any GOP candidate.  Obama was (no pun intended) a dark horse candidate, much like Bill Clinton was in 1992.  If it weren't for him, Hillary would be President today.  I don't think one can write her off as a possibility for 2016.  And this Benghazi hooplah will do nothing to harm her.  Her age, well that MAY be a factor.
 
2013-01-23 12:11:06 PM  
considering the house GOP voted to cut embassy security, this seems like a strange fishing trip they're on.
 
2013-01-23 12:14:22 PM  

nekom: mitchcumstein1: She would, but I honestly think that's too old to be the President of The United States in today's world. It's too hard on a body. Look what it's done to Barack, not to mention Bush and Clinton before him. They were young men, and it turned them old.

That was part of my criticism of McCain.  Well, besides the fact that 2008 McCain was NO 2000 McCain, but his age was part of the reason I decided to support Obama.  You do have to be ready for that cliche 3AM phone call.  But I don't know, my grandmother is 75.  My wife's grandmother is 85.  They both have their wits about them, though they don't get around as well as younger folks do.  I am 100% certain that Hillary would have won in 2008 vs. McCain, or any GOP candidate.  Obama was (no pun intended) a dark horse candidate, much like Bill Clinton was in 1992.  If it weren't for him, Hillary would be President today.  I don't think one can write her off as a possibility for 2016.  And this Benghazi hooplah will do nothing to harm her.  Her age, well that MAY be a factor.


I think, had she won in '08, she would have made a fine President, but just I don't want a 70 year old person in charge of the country. It's not the 3AM wake up call I'm worried about, it's the constant stress and pressure that I think would be the problem. I can't imagine that there's ever really a moment of relaxation. You've got to always have something weighing on your mind. I mean, we only know the stuff they want us to know, and the thought of having to deal with all that is staggering.
 
2013-01-23 12:14:46 PM  

FlashHarry: considering the house GOP voted to cut embassy security, this seems like a strange fishing trip they're on.


that does add an interesting sub-text to the whole affair, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-23 12:16:55 PM  

nekom: mitchcumstein1: She would, but I honestly think that's too old to be the President of The United States in today's world. It's too hard on a body. Look what it's done to Barack, not to mention Bush and Clinton before him. They were young men, and it turned them old.

That was part of my criticism of McCain.  Well, besides the fact that 2008 McCain was NO 2000 McCain, but his age was part of the reason I decided to support Obama.  You do have to be ready for that cliche 3AM phone call.  But I don't know, my grandmother is 75.  My wife's grandmother is 85.  They both have their wits about them, though they don't get around as well as younger folks do.  I am 100% certain that Hillary would have won in 2008 vs. McCain, or any GOP candidate.  Obama was (no pun intended) a dark horse candidate, much like Bill Clinton was in 1992.  If it weren't for him, Hillary would be President today.  I don't think one can write her off as a possibility for 2016.  And this Benghazi hooplah will do nothing to harm her.  Her age, well that MAY be a factor.


The solution is picking someone people are excited about to be your VP. So people think, "Well if Hillary dies, Mayor Booker will take over and he's pretty great. I could support that."

If you're old - people are going to place a bigger focus on the the other half of the ticket. That's why the McCain ticket terrified people.

When you're younger, don't pick someone who will outshine you. When you're old, your VP becomes an asset equal that carries as much value as you do
 
2013-01-23 12:18:31 PM  

nekom: but his age was part of the reason I decided to support Obama


That combined with his VP pick is what turned me off the most.  Had McCain been a decade younger, his VP pick would have been mostly irrelevant.  But he was old enough that there was a serious chance Palin could have taken the reigns.

Between the above issue and how Sen. Keating Five obviously discovered the dark side of the GOP force between 2000 and 2008 sealed the deal for me.  Maverick my left foot.
 
2013-01-23 12:20:22 PM  

Dinjiin: That combined with his VP pick is what turned me off the most. Had McCain been a decade younger, his VP pick would have been mostly irrelevant. But he was old enough that there was a serious chance Palin could have taken the reigns.


Oh for sure.  If Hillary wants a shot in 4 years, she is going to HAVE to pick a running mate that could make a competent POTUS in case something should happen.
 
2013-01-23 12:27:07 PM  

nekom: Dinjiin: That combined with his VP pick is what turned me off the most. Had McCain been a decade younger, his VP pick would have been mostly irrelevant. But he was old enough that there was a serious chance Palin could have taken the reigns.

Oh for sure.  If Hillary wants a shot in 4 years, she is going to HAVE to pick a running mate that could make a competent POTUS in case something should happen.


Michelle Obama
 
2013-01-23 12:28:05 PM  
You guys do realize that she is 5 years younger than Biden and has much greater favorability than he does and a better life expectancy, right?

I've never seen anyone bring up Biden's age as a factor in a potential presidential run in 2016.
 
2013-01-23 12:29:25 PM  

vygramul: nekom: Dinjiin: That combined with his VP pick is what turned me off the most. Had McCain been a decade younger, his VP pick would have been mostly irrelevant. But he was old enough that there was a serious chance Palin could have taken the reigns.

Oh for sure.  If Hillary wants a shot in 4 years, she is going to HAVE to pick a running mate that could make a competent POTUS in case something should happen.

Michelle Obama


I've vote for that.
 
2013-01-23 12:31:53 PM  
First Obama and now Clinton. GOP has to worry when they've got nothing to lose.
 
2013-01-23 12:32:52 PM  
'Bout farking time!'
 
2013-01-23 12:33:13 PM  

ginandbacon: You guys do realize that she is 5 years younger than Biden and has much greater favorability than he does and a better life expectancy, right?

I've never seen anyone bring up Biden's age as a factor in a potential presidential run in 2016.


I don't want him to run either.
 
2013-01-23 12:33:45 PM  

ginandbacon: You guys do realize that she is 5 years younger than Biden and has much greater favorability than he does and a better life expectancy, right?

I've never seen anyone bring up Biden's age as a factor in a potential presidential run in 2016.


Didn't you know that 60 is the new 40 for men?
 
2013-01-23 12:35:02 PM  
from the WAPO article:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) accused Clinton of "a failure of leadership" that cost American lives. If he had been president, "I would have relieved you of your post," he said. "I think it's inexcusable." He called the Benghazi assault "the worst tragedy" to befall the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Any chance that Hill replied with anything along the lines of... well, I guess we'll never know since you'll never be president.
 
2013-01-23 12:35:12 PM  
FlashHarry:
www.geekyasianguy.com

you mean it's not a scandal yet?

Benghazi is not a scandal. Benghazi not being a scandal is a scandal.
 
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