If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Kotaku)   Good news, Nintendo fanboys: You get to buy Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 3 again   (kotaku.com) divider line 149
    More: Obvious, U.S. Wii U, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Wii, Satoru Iwata, Game Boy Advance  
•       •       •

4991 clicks; posted to Geek » on 23 Jan 2013 at 12:53 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



149 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2013-01-23 12:24:18 PM
This is why you'll never see a Nintendo "Classics" collection and why their stance on emulation is so firm. They need to nickel and dime the fanboys.
 
2013-01-23 12:26:13 PM
This spring, the Wii U will get its own version of the Virtual Console-you'll be able to purchase and download Nintendo and Super Nintendo games to play on the Wii U and separately on your GamePad.

Your headline is full of LIES subby!
 
2013-01-23 12:57:08 PM
There will be "special pricing" if you already own Wii versions of each Virtual Console game: $1 for NES games; $1.50 for SNES games. (You'll have to transfer those Wii VC games over to the Wii U in order to get the discount.)

My last Nintendo console was a SNES.

WTF happened to you Nintendo? You used to be cool :(
 
2013-01-23 12:58:33 PM
If you already have the games purchased on the Wii virtual console, you can already play them on your Wii U if its in Wii mode. The re-purchase at reduced price would just unlock the ability to play them on the Wii U gamepad.
 
2013-01-23 12:59:01 PM
They are re-doing Zelda: Wind Waker, also. More excited about that, but still, remakes of games I liked aren't enough to make me want to buy a brand-new system.
 
2013-01-23 12:59:32 PM
art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-01-23 01:02:38 PM
For those of you wondering, Nintendo Power didn't go out of print, it's just in the back pages of AARP Quarterly now.

/off to check my blood sugar
 
2013-01-23 01:03:00 PM
I don't care what the law says, I have an internal sense of right and wrong....

I'll happily download the ROM of any game I've previously purchased legitimately.
 
2013-01-23 01:05:00 PM
Didn't Nintendo post a big loss recently?

Has the Wii U been selling well?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.
 
2013-01-23 01:06:21 PM
Have Ocarina of Time on my 3DS already, and even though the game is not worth getting te console for itself, OoT with improved graphic and 3D does help to justify getting the Portable.

/The other justifications being Kid Icarus and Pokemon X and Y
//Fennekin better not be Fire/Fighting
 
2013-01-23 01:08:07 PM
Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.
 
2013-01-23 01:11:23 PM

Raw_fishFood: Have Ocarina of Time on my 3DS already, and even though the game is not worth getting te console for itself, OoT with improved graphic and 3D does help to justify getting the Portable.

/The other justifications being Kid Icarus and Pokemon X and Y
//Fennekin better not be Fire/Fighting


I was mildly surprised at how good OOT looked too. They doubled the polygon resolution on every character (no more spike tits Impa) and the texture resolution on every character and surface. The level geometry is the same to keep it consistent with it's previous release (and they probably didn't want to spend money on reworking all the levels).
 
2013-01-23 01:11:40 PM
If Earthbound comes out for WiiU VC I'll be getting in line to buy one.
 
2013-01-23 01:11:49 PM

lordargent: Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.


They won't do it. Both companies have made some pretty boneheaded moves in the past, but they would be certifiably stupid to attempt something like that.
 
2013-01-23 01:15:06 PM
I only recently was able to configure my Nintendo Wii to load my legally owned GameCube games from a hard drive through USB Loader GX. I have no interest in purchasing games that I have already purchased previously solely so that I may run them on a different hardware platform.
 
2013-01-23 01:16:06 PM
They do this because people will pay it and they'll make heaps of money for basically nothing. It's smart business.
 
2013-01-23 01:18:34 PM

RoxtarRyan: They are re-doing Zelda: Wind Waker, also. More excited about that, but still, remakes of games I liked aren't enough to make me want to buy a brand-new system.


yep, Wind Waker HD, Wii U virtual console, Xenoblade 2?, Mario Kart U, Mario Universe?, Yoshi's Epic Yarn?, Zelda going non-linear & maybe co-op?, shin megami tensai + fire emblem game? (never played either, but i guess it's good for the fans)

finally a good nintendo direct, especially since i already own a wii u and haven't turned it on in weeks because i already beat all the launch games i own for it
 
2013-01-23 01:19:22 PM
Who cares? You can still use the Homebrew Channel in Wii mode: Source.
 
2013-01-23 01:23:12 PM

AdamK: Xenoblade 2?


I was going to skip this Nintendo console for once, but that trailer...I want that game.
 
2013-01-23 01:23:20 PM
So you're saying I can't just take my WiiWare / Virtual Console stuff over to the new platform? This may affect my decision on when to purchase one.
 
2013-01-23 01:25:43 PM
Well, they just announced a new Monolith Soft title by Tetsuya Takahashi  featuring a red, painted X.  That's what has me interested.
 
2013-01-23 01:26:58 PM
As someone who is playing Majora's Mask on Project64, I am getting a kick.
 
2013-01-23 01:34:22 PM

Raw_fishFood: Have Ocarina of Time on my 3DS already, and even though the game is not worth getting te console for itself, OoT with improved graphic and 3D does help to justify getting the Portable.

/The other justifications being Kid Icarus and Pokemon X and Y
//Fennekin better not be Fire/Fighting


From what I hear, the final starter forms will be:

Grass/Dark

Fire/Psychic

Water/Fighting.

Which ads kind of an interesting element to the whole thing

Counter_Intelligent: Well, they just announced a new Monolith Soft title by Tetsuya Takahashi featuring a red, painted X. That's what has me interested.


WHAT.

Feck, I still need to finish Xenoblade Chronicles.'

/I admit I did not play much of Xenosaga beyond the first, since.. I don't know. It got tedious.
//I do love how they kept going "No no this TOTALLY isn't related to Xenogears. REALLY. NOT AT ALL.


scottydoesntknow: They won't do it. Both companies have made some pretty boneheaded moves in the past, but they would be certifiably stupid to attempt something like that.


I would like to point you to the PS Vita and its "proprietary memory cards".
/Yeah, sony is ABSOLUTELY that stupid and arrogant.

MindStalker: If Earthbound comes out for WiiU VC I'll be getting in line to buy one.


Hi hi hi. You come buying? You can sell, too.
I, Mr. Saturn, Boing, can do all for you!

/Yeah i'd buy that again in a heartbeat, just to support it.
 
2013-01-23 01:35:16 PM
I just bought a pair of Usb Nintendo controllers that are indistinguishable from the real thing, and male playing the emulators a lot easier than mashing buttons on a computer keyboard. My only complaint is I thought the response time for jumping on Mario 3 was a little laggy, but once I broke the controllers in, that went away.
 
2013-01-23 01:36:08 PM

star_topology: As someone who is playing Majora's Mask on Project64, I am getting a kick.


How stable is that anyways? I've been itching to replay MM recently. I wish I still had the N64, and the game cartridge is floating around in a box in the garage somewhere.
 
2013-01-23 01:36:26 PM

Glitchwerks: It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.


Depends on how they do it... Are they going to do what Bioware does with their games with a disposable number, or will they do digital distribution?

If it is the disposable, one-time use number, yeah... I can see that. The loss of sales due to second-hand sales and services like Gamefly and Redbox might warrant pissing off gamers. There are just too many games that are console-exclusive for people to just boycott it, and way too many parents who are willing to just shell out the $60 to shut their kid up. The hardcore gamers will still get their midnight releases at full price regardless. If anything else, it will be left up to the gaming companies to do it, like they do now, and restrict certain things like DLC or online play without having that individual code.

As for digital distribution... They would alienate a LOT more people with that... Many ISP's simply don't have the speeds capable of even a single user download a large file, let alone a zero-day release of the next CoD game sized up at 4-10 gigs. I've talked to Farkers who have Time Warner who can barely download 1MB/sec. A multi-gig file? Hell, one gig alone will take nearly 20 minutes with speed fluctuations, and if your game is 8 gigs, you're looking at nearly 2.5 hours to download a single game. Heaven forbid anyone has DSL and tries to download that game... I'm fortunate enough that I can pull down about 8 megs a second, and even I wouldn't want to have to rely on purchasing every console game digitally.

/bad enough the Steam seasonal sales can add upwards of 100 gigs of usage.... :D
 
2013-01-23 01:38:26 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: I just bought a pair of Usb Nintendo controllers that are indistinguishable from the real thing


Do they look kind of like these?
i.imgur.com

There's a store called "Five Below" by my house. Last year they had a bunch of these for $5 each. I have to admit it made Christmas shopping very easy.

And soon I'm getting myself a Raspberry Pi. Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-23 01:39:42 PM
Bigger news: Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem.

No. Really: Link
 
2013-01-23 01:40:47 PM

RoxtarRyan: Depends on how they do it... Are they going to do what Bioware does with their games with a disposable number, or will they do digital distribution?


There's also stuff like DVD's with an RFID chip to tie a game DVD to a particular console. I believe Sony holds the patent for that.

/Your console bricks? SUCKS TO BE YOU.
 
2013-01-23 01:46:35 PM

TheZorker: Bigger news: Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem.

No. Really: Link


Yeah that one came out of left field. I really wasn't expecting that one.
 
2013-01-23 01:47:03 PM

Felgraf: /Your console bricks? SUCKS TO BE YOU.


There's no way to transfer the title? Hell, even MS allows the transferring of titles (limited to a certain number of times per year without getting customer service involved, but still, good to have).

I know, because I had all my digital content moved when I got a newer 360 and didn't have a single problem.
 
2013-01-23 01:48:40 PM

RoxtarRyan: Felgraf: /Your console bricks? SUCKS TO BE YOU.

There's no way to transfer the title? Hell, even MS allows the transferring of titles (limited to a certain number of times per year without getting customer service involved, but still, good to have).

I know, because I had all my digital content moved when I got a newer 360 and didn't have a single problem.


There might be, depending on how they implement it. ... I would not be surprised if they initially don't go that route, though. Basically, I suspect any ability to transfer the title would also allow some degree of reselling (I would think? I guess they could try to tie it to an internet account/Live account.)

Don't get me wrong, I love me some sony games, but some of the people who run that company are... yeaaaaah.
 
2013-01-23 01:50:59 PM

TheZorker: Bigger news: Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem.

No. Really: Link


What.

I... damn. That better come stateside.
 
2013-01-23 01:52:41 PM

star_topology: As someone who is playing Majora's Mask on Project64, I am getting a kick.


Are you using a texture pack?
 
2013-01-23 01:54:00 PM

dr.zaeus: Who cares? You can still use the Homebrew Channel in Wii mode: Source.


I had given consideration to installing the Homebrew Channel into the vWii portion of my Wii, until I discovered the ability to load GameCube games from the hard drive in USB Loader GX. Unfortunately, until Devolution is able to use the Wii Classic Controller as a GameCube control device, my Wii will continue to remain where it is.
 
2013-01-23 01:57:06 PM

Felgraf: Basically, I suspect any ability to transfer the title would also allow some degree of reselling (I would think? I guess they could try to tie it to an internet account/Live account.)


Maybe... I remember about a month or so ago, Steam (at least in Europe) got sued because they don't allow the re-sale of software purchased through them, and lost. This doesn't mean squat for us in the USA, but overseas courts are recognizing that you just like you should be able to sell off your hardcopies of games, you should be able to sell off your digital copies as well. Unfortunately, this is easy to exploit, and ripe for abuse. Linky Link

As of right now, if a user even tries to sell his Steam account to sell all of his games and Steam finds out about it, they will completely lock the account and deactivate it. Already "warned" a person about this once. Linky Link

As for 360 and PS3 games? Don't know. Probably might have the same consequences.
 
2013-01-23 02:00:07 PM

lordargent: Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.


If that does turn out to be true, the Steam console will be a first day purchase for me. I've been a console gamer my entire life (but have played a few PC games) but the upcoming changes I'm hearing about might finally send me over the edge.
 
2013-01-23 02:03:20 PM

alwaysjaded: lordargent: Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.

If that does turn out to be true, the Steam console will be a first day purchase for me. I've been a console gamer my entire life (but have played a few PC games) but the upcoming changes I'm hearing about might finally send me over the edge.


As other pointed out, you would be in the same situation, ie, no used games on the PC. Hasn't been a market for those in what, a decade or so? Every since cd-keys became the norm I think. Older steam games are cheap though. then again, so are many older console games.

Back to farming dungeon defenders on steam. Damn, them lv 80-100 xp requirements are rough.
 
2013-01-23 02:03:56 PM

DanZero: This is why you'll never see a Nintendo "Classics" collection and why their stance on emulation is so firm. They need to nickel and dime the fanboys.


And why it is so hard to find a NES emulator + roms, right?
 
2013-01-23 02:06:45 PM

MindStalker: If Earthbound comes out for WiiU VC I'll be getting in line to buy one.


So you're going to go drop $300 on a system so you can play a game that came out 18 years ago. Awesome. Don't get me wrong that's one of my favorite games of all time but really?
 
2013-01-23 02:09:12 PM

StrangeQ: DanZero: This is why you'll never see a Nintendo "Classics" collection and why their stance on emulation is so firm. They need to nickel and dime the fanboys.

And why it is so hard to find a NES emulator + roms, right?


If they catch you hosting that on your site, they will send some C&D letters, iirc. Virtual console is big money for them, and they make a ton off it.

their major downside is they don't do platform agnostic emulation. If you buy a PSN emulated game, like a psp mini, digital psp game, or psone classic, they run on anything that runs them for no additional cost. You just sign in, and redownload it. Nintendo charges you separately for each devce, iirc. No word on how this will work for the next xbox or ps4 though.
 
2013-01-23 02:11:19 PM
I don't think I'll be buying any new consoles after this generation.

It's getting too complicated, and the game companies sound like they're trying to make it harder to play whatever you want.

Screw that. There are literally decades worth of older games I could happily spend my time catching up on. I've already been gravitating in that direction lately, anyway -- playing more Gamecube and PS2 stuff than 360 and PS3.

I'm gonna be a retro game collector, with a basement like the Angry Video Game Nerd's.
 
2013-01-23 02:12:43 PM

doczoidberg: There are literally decades worth of older games I could happily spend my time catching up on.


i.imgur.com
Raspek.
 
2013-01-23 02:13:40 PM
Nintendo had me by the balls as soon as they announced X today. Gotta get a WiiU when that comes out. Xenoblade is probably my game of the decade.
 
2013-01-23 02:16:44 PM
Gotta say, the people talking about going to PC because of not being able to purchase second-hand games is funny. I can't remember the last time I saw a brick and mortar store selling pre-owned PC games (unless they are really underground and I probably haven't heard of them), and it isn't like Steam allows the resale of their games either.
 
2013-01-23 02:17:25 PM
Why would I buy them again? My original consoles work just fine, except I need to put a new power jack on the SNES.
 
2013-01-23 02:18:34 PM

doczoidberg: I'm gonna be a retro game collector, with a basement like the Angry Video Game Nerd's.


Glad he's back to making those videos again. He took a break for a while, there.
 
2013-01-23 02:18:51 PM

RoxtarRyan: Gotta say, the people talking about going to PC because of not being able to purchase second-hand games is funny. I can't remember the last time I saw a brick and mortar store selling pre-owned PC games (unless they are really underground and I probably haven't heard of them), and it isn't like Steam allows the resale of their games either.


You can transfer ownership of Steam games, as long as you didn't buy them as part of a bundle. So that copy of "Arkham City" you're sick of? You can gift it to a friend. But that game you got in the "Humble Indie Bundle?" You're stuck with it.
 
2013-01-23 02:19:18 PM

GreenAdder: doczoidberg: There are literally decades worth of older games I could happily spend my time catching up on.

[i.imgur.com image 512x304]
Raspek.



Hey, why not?

I'd give the Virtual Boy a whirl.

...And what does RASPEK mean?
 
2013-01-23 02:19:44 PM
I get why they're doing this, but I'll just keep booting into Wii Mode to play my already-bought VC games. Thanks, though.
 
2013-01-23 02:19:46 PM
super mario 3 is best mario.
 
2013-01-23 02:20:10 PM
I must've missed the part where somebody holds a gun to your head until you buy it.
 
2013-01-23 02:20:32 PM

RoxtarRyan: doczoidberg: I'm gonna be a retro game collector, with a basement like the Angry Video Game Nerd's.

Glad he's back to making those videos again. He took a break for a while, there.



That's because he was shooting his movie.

Due out this year!
 
2013-01-23 02:25:58 PM

doczoidberg: I'm gonna be a retro game collector, with a basement like the Angry Video Game Nerd's.


Upsides:
-Some games can be cheap. Even a lot of good games are dirt-cheap because like a zillion copies were produced.
-Multiple avenues to purchase games.
-A pretty good buying / trading / selling community is out there.
-Quite a few games have actual difficulty, rather than just "repeatedly mash the quicksave button every five steps."

Downsides:
-Remember all those jerks who kind of ruined comics in the 90's? They're back, and they've heard that "vidya games" is the new way to make money. They prowl every flea market and garage sale, looking for old games to throw on eBay.
-A lot of sweaty man-children run stores and sell stuff at ridiculous markups. They'll claim that "Super Mario / Duck Hunt"  cart is worth $100 because it's rare. And by "rare," he actually means "out of print."
-Some older games go for small fortunes because they actually  are rare, which sucks if you want to revisit some childhood classics.
-Your collection will soon take up more of the house than you know what to do with.
 
2013-01-23 02:26:39 PM

doczoidberg: ...And what does RASPEK mean?


It's a bastardized version of "respect."
 
2013-01-23 02:32:14 PM

GreenAdder: You can transfer ownership of Steam games, as long as you didn't buy them as part of a bundle. So that copy of "Arkham City" you're sick of? You can gift it to a friend. But that game you got in the "Humble Indie Bundle?" You're stuck with it.


You can buy a game as a "gift" for someone, but as far as I know (and a quick google search), you cannot purchase a game, play it, then transfer it to someone else.
 
2013-01-23 02:35:49 PM

Theory Of Null: super mario 3 is best mario.


I'd go with Super Mario World. It had way better secrets throughout the game. Some of them were pretty tricky to get to, as well.

/Still takes me a dozen tries each time to fly under the goal post on that one level.
 
2013-01-23 02:36:13 PM

GreenAdder: an just "repeatedly mash the quicksave button every five steps."

Downsides:
-Remember all those jerks who kind of ruined comics in the 90's? They're back, and they've heard that "vidya games" is the new way to make money. They prowl every flea market and garage sale, looking for old games to throw on eBay.
-A lot of sweaty man-children run stores and sell stuff at ridiculous markups. They'll claim that "Sup



I've been building up a moderately decent classic collection for the past several years.

A few hundred NES games...few hundred Gameboy and GBA games...Turbo Grafx 16...all old Nintendo Systems...random handhelds, each with maybe 12 or so games...all of the Sony Systems...etc.

I don't really mind the high prices that some dickwad collectors charge, since I usually will buy maybe one or two old games per paycheck on Ebay. It's kind of more fun that way -- SLOOOWLY growing my collection and actually playing through all of these games as I buy them, instead of getting things in bulk just for the sake of having them.

I'm looking forward to not trying to stay on top of new games as they come out.
 
2013-01-23 02:36:58 PM

RoxtarRyan: GreenAdder: You can transfer ownership of Steam games, as long as you didn't buy them as part of a bundle. So that copy of "Arkham City" you're sick of? You can gift it to a friend. But that game you got in the "Humble Indie Bundle?" You're stuck with it.

You can buy a game as a "gift" for someone, but as far as I know (and a quick google search), you cannot purchase a game, play it, then transfer it to someone else.


In fact, right from the FAQ:

You are entitled to use the Software for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve, except to the extent expressly permitted elsewhere in this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use
 
2013-01-23 02:38:40 PM

Antimatter: alwaysjaded: lordargent: Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.

If that does turn out to be true, the Steam console will be a first day purchase for me. I've been a console gamer my entire life (but have played a few PC games) but the upcoming changes I'm hearing about might finally send me over the edge.

As other pointed out, you would be in the same situation, ie, no used games on the PC. Hasn't been a market for those in what, a decade or so? Every since cd-keys became the norm I think. Older steam games are cheap though. then again, so are many older console games.

Back to farming dungeon defenders on steam. Damn, them lv 80-100 xp requirements are rough.


Eh, it's not just that. I just don't like the direction console gaming seems to be taking lately. I'll most likely wait to hear what Sony and Microsoft will announce concerning their new systems.
 
2013-01-23 02:39:21 PM

doczoidberg: I'm looking forward to not trying to stay on top of new games as they come out.


I'm married. And an undergrad. At the same time. I gave up on that a while ago.

I don't think I got any brand-new games last year. Everything was either an older game, used, or something I got from a Steam sale. I think the only games I got "new" were "Retro City Rampage" and "Hotline Miami."

The year before that, the high point was getting "Skyward Sword" as a Christmas present.
 
2013-01-23 02:39:45 PM

Theory Of Null: super mario 3 is best mario.


As it concerns the 2D games, that easily goes to Super Mario World.  We have guides for just about everything, so everyone forgets how farking cool it was to roll through a couple of exits and find all these absolutely bonkers levels in the Star World.  Not to mention that the levels in Mario World were generally larger and more complex.
 
2013-01-23 02:40:51 PM

RoxtarRyan: In fact, right from the FAQ:

You are entitled to use the Software for your own personal use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve, except to the extent expressly permitted elsewhere in this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use


Well, heck. There goes my plan to give some of my chaff to people. Sometimes I look at a game on my Steam library and think, "I'm never going to play this again. I will give it to a friend who might actually enjoy it."
 
2013-01-23 03:00:39 PM

TheZorker: Bigger news: Shin Megami Tensei vs Fire Emblem.

No. Really: Link


bears repeating
 
2013-01-23 03:01:48 PM
So far the only reason to by a Wii U...Wish they would release them to XBox.
 
2013-01-23 03:01:52 PM
Give me Windwaker 3D-ified for the 3DS or shut up!
 
2013-01-23 03:05:17 PM
Whatever, I got a game for 30 cents this morning, and will get another one monthly until the end of summer.
 
2013-01-23 03:05:53 PM

nharrisphoto: Give me Windwaker 3D-ified for the 3DS or shut up!


HDified for the WiiDS. This Fall. Sorry.
 
2013-01-23 03:08:14 PM

Lumbar Puncture: AdamK: Xenoblade 2?

I was going to skip this Nintendo console for once, but that trailer...I want that game.


Looks so damned awesome. Jesus.
This is going to dominate my life again
 
2013-01-23 03:13:45 PM

moothemagiccow: nharrisphoto: Give me Windwaker 3D-ified for the 3DS or shut up!

HDified for the WiiDS. This Fall. Sorry.


Well, I suppose that's not all bad.
 
2013-01-23 03:15:53 PM

Mike_LowELL: Theory Of Null: super mario 3 is best mario.

As it concerns the 2D games, that easily goes to Super Mario World.  We have guides for just about everything, so everyone forgets how farking cool it was to roll through a couple of exits and find all these absolutely bonkers levels in the Star World.  Not to mention that the levels in Mario World were generally larger and more complex.


As much as I love Mario 3, I'm going to have to agree with Mike here. Which makes me question everything about myself.
 
2013-01-23 03:19:04 PM

GreenAdder: ThatBillmanGuy: I just bought a pair of Usb Nintendo controllers that are indistinguishable from the real thing

Do they look kind of like these?
[i.imgur.com image 640x446]

There's a store called "Five Below" by my house. Last year they had a bunch of these for $5 each. I have to admit it made Christmas shopping very easy.

And soon I'm getting myself a Raspberry Pi. Just sayin'.


Almost. These are the ones, except when I bought them last week, they were only $6.99. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002YVD3KM/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1358972215&s r=8-1&pi=SL75
 
2013-01-23 03:25:06 PM

Zafler: Mike_LowELL: Theory Of Null: super mario 3 is best mario.

As it concerns the 2D games, that easily goes to Super Mario World.  We have guides for just about everything, so everyone forgets how farking cool it was to roll through a couple of exits and find all these absolutely bonkers levels in the Star World.  Not to mention that the levels in Mario World were generally larger and more complex.

As much as I love Mario 3, I'm going to have to agree with Mike here. Which makes me question everything about myself.


Yep. World, then three. Then I dunno, warioland or marioland for the game boy I guess.
 
2013-01-23 03:30:25 PM

Zafler: As much as I love Mario 3, I'm going to have to agree with Mike here. Which makes me question everything about myself.


I'll just add by saying that Mario World's greatest asset is one of the reasons that the New Super Mario Bros. games (and Super Mario 3D Land) drive me absolutely nuts.  The secret exits are not only inconsequential, but the reward for finding an exit is almost always displayed on the screen before you even started the level.  What kind of fun is that?  Super Mario World's hidden exits and hidden levels were just the natural extension of Warp Zones and hidden coin rooms.  I dunno.  I guess at some point, Nintendo decided that today's five-year-olds were too dumb to explore their game worlds and stripped out one of their strongest qualities.
 
2013-01-23 03:36:22 PM

Mike_LowELL: Zafler: As much as I love Mario 3, I'm going to have to agree with Mike here. Which makes me question everything about myself.

I'll just add by saying that Mario World's greatest asset is one of the reasons that the New Super Mario Bros. games (and Super Mario 3D Land) drive me absolutely nuts.  The secret exits are not only inconsequential, but the reward for finding an exit is almost always displayed on the screen before you even started the level.  What kind of fun is that?  Super Mario World's hidden exits and hidden levels were just the natural extension of Warp Zones and hidden coin rooms.  I dunno.  I guess at some point, Nintendo decided that today's five-year-olds were too dumb to explore their game worlds and stripped out one of their strongest qualities.


Haven't played the newer ones, so have no clue there. I did find it frustrating that many RPG's now basically require you to buy the walkthrough to not miss stuff. The most infamous example that comes to mind being FF 12(?) where, if you opened a chest on your way through, you denied yourself access to the best weapon for one of your characters later on. Crap like that is idiotic.

But, so long as there aren't any explicit directions on where to go to find the secrets, I probably wouldn't have too much trouble with them having a way to indicate multiple ways of beating a level. Super Mario World did with the different colors for the level gems on the world map, and ghost houses were guaranteed to have 2 ways to be beaten.
 
2013-01-23 03:37:41 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So far the only reason to by a Wii U...Wish they would release them to XBox.


Please tell me you're intentionally being that stupid.
 
2013-01-23 03:37:46 PM
The fact that they decided to rehash that garbage Wind Waker title is offensive in itself.

If they're going to bother reselling old games, they could have at the every least focused on reinventing Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

/Will not be purchasing a WiiU and hasn't been impressed with Nintendo in 15 years
//Back to Skyrim I go!
 
2013-01-23 03:40:26 PM

Raw_fishFood: Random Anonymous Blackmail: So far the only reason to by a Wii U...Wish they would release them to XBox.

Please tell me you're intentionally being that stupid.


i herd halo 5 is on ps tripple
 
2013-01-23 03:40:41 PM
I GIVE YOU

SUPER
MARIO
BROTHERS
3

www.everythingaction.com
SMW was a great evolution of the series, but it didn't get a unveiling in a 90 minute commercial like SMB3 did, and that automatically makes SMB3 win.

/he touched my breast
 
2013-01-23 03:44:49 PM

Zafler: The most infamous example that comes to mind being FF 12(?) where, if you opened a chest on your way through, you denied yourself access to the best weapon for one of your characters later on. Crap like that is idiotic.


I'm replaying that now and it's a constant walkthrough mess. I got bored my first time through. I may not make it this time either.

Some miss-able stuff is fine. Excessive miss-able stuff is over the top. I also hate one a million chance boss steals that are missed if they don't cough up the rare on the first steal attempt, treasure chests you have to get over and over (or save before fighting your way to and repeat) to get a decent item. I've only gotten 2 items fifty hours in that came from chests that I've used, and that is because I farmed the chest spawn. I'm over level 50 and in an area where I can barely beat the mobs I found 3 gil in a chest.

On top of the skipping chests thing for the zodiac spear you mention, you also ruin the drop rate of some chests if you equip an item (diamond armlet) that lets chests drop the rare items.


Now with a mario game, seeing something interesting off in the distance where you might be able to find an alternate route to was more than enough hint. I don't need things spelled out, but a game shouldn't be a constant mess rare garbage. Especially when there are no hints the rarity exists and the odds of stumbling on it are lower than the odds of walking up to a safe and picking the right code your first try. At that point the rare event/drop/secret/whatever is no longer a part of the game, but is no better than the old NES games with their title screen codes.

/though I DID discover how to warp in Crystalis by accident and am quite proud of that achievement :P
 
2013-01-23 03:49:27 PM

Zafler: Haven't played the newer ones, so have no clue there. I did find it frustrating that many RPG's now basically require you to buy the walkthrough to not miss stuff. The most infamous example that comes to mind being FF 12(?) where, if you opened a chest on your way through, you denied yourself access to the best weapon for one of your characters later on. Crap like that is idiotic.

But, so long as there aren't any explicit directions on where to go to find the secrets, I probably wouldn't have too much trouble with them having a way to indicate multiple ways of beating a level. Super Mario World did with the different colors for the level gems on the world map, and ghost houses were guaranteed to have 2 ways to be beaten.


Yeah, when companies do that, it's because they know their audiences are completionists to the bitter end and have them by the balls.  And when companies do that, they should be called out for it, because it's terrible game design.  (I know everyone has a hard-on for Cave Story, but the things you have to do in order to get the items that allow you to complete the level that allows you to get the good ending defy utter logic.)  Just as you mentioned, Super Mario World did it perfectly.  It told you (or rather, implied) what the criteria was and told you to have at it.  And also more important: When your save file came up, they never told you how many levels were 100% completion.  (I believe "93" was the maximum number you could have for your save file.)  In the new Mario games, once you begin finishing checklists for Star Coins and various secrets, they attach stars next to your profile, which is to say, "You've explored everything there is to explore.  There is absolutely no reason to ever play this game again."  The feeling that you could have missed something is one of the most powerful tools in building a game world that is fun to explore.  (The Donkey Kong Country games also subverted this by making the max completion percentage higher than 100%, a gigantic "eff you" to anyone who became complacent.)  So yeah.  Super Mario Bros. 3 is a pretty solid game by any stretch, but jumping through a stained glass window or finding a secret exit is always the coolest thing the series has had to offer.
 
2013-01-23 04:02:46 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't care what the law says, I have an internal sense of right and wrong....

I'll happily download the ROM of any game I've previously purchased legitimately.


Me too. I bought a Wii with some games about a year ago and it was fun until some of the games stopped working for no reason. So I bought a set of tri-wing screwdrivers and replaced the laser lens. Still not working. OK. Dolphin emulator, I choose you! So we still have to turn the Wii on to get the lightbar to work, we just don't usually use the disks except for some of the games that work fine on the Wii.
 
2013-01-23 04:05:33 PM

Mike_LowELL: (I believe "93" was the maximum number you could have for your save file.)


Star 96 actually would be displayed at 100%.

Donkey Kong Country for the SNES is one game I never got perfect, was 98% or something like that when I said to hell with it.
 
2013-01-23 04:08:53 PM
Count me down for a vote that Super Mario 3 was the best. It had a charm to it that the others couldn't match. And it's not just nostalgia talking here.

Super Mario World came very close to it though.
 
2013-01-23 04:10:09 PM
Smackledorfer:

/though I DID discover how to warp in Crystalis by accident and am quite proud of that achievement :P


Man, that was a great game. Maybe even my all-time favorite.

I was just playing it the other day. Holds up well!
 
2013-01-23 04:14:10 PM

Zafler: Star 96 actually would be displayed at 100%.


Holy shiat.  You're right.  I didn't realize that.  To hell with my life.  So much for my assertion.  wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
2013-01-23 04:14:30 PM

Mike_LowELL: Zafler: Haven't played the newer ones, so have no clue there. I did find it frustrating that many RPG's now basically require you to buy the walkthrough to not miss stuff. The most infamous example that comes to mind being FF 12(?) where, if you opened a chest on your way through, you denied yourself access to the best weapon for one of your characters later on. Crap like that is idiotic.

But, so long as there aren't any explicit directions on where to go to find the secrets, I probably wouldn't have too much trouble with them having a way to indicate multiple ways of beating a level. Super Mario World did with the different colors for the level gems on the world map, and ghost houses were guaranteed to have 2 ways to be beaten.

Yeah, when companies do that, it's because they know their audiences are completionists to the bitter end and have them by the balls.  And when companies do that, they should be called out for it, because it's terrible game design.  (I know everyone has a hard-on for Cave Story, but the things you have to do in order to get the items that allow you to complete the level that allows you to get the good ending defy utter logic.)  Just as you mentioned, Super Mario World did it perfectly.  It told you (or rather, implied) what the criteria was and told you to have at it.  And also more important: When your save file came up, they never told you how many levels were 100% completion.  (I believe "93" was the maximum number you could have for your save file.)  In the new Mario games, once you begin finishing checklists for Star Coins and various secrets, they attach stars next to your profile, which is to say, "You've explored everything there is to explore.  There is absolutely no reason to ever play this game again."  The feeling that you could have missed something is one of the most powerful tools in building a game world that is fun to explore.  (The Donkey Kong Country games also subverted this by making the max completion percentage higher than 100%, a gigantic "eff you" to anyone who became complacent.)  So yeah.  Super Mario Bros. 3 is a pretty solid game by any stretch, but jumping through a stained glass window or finding a secret exit is always the coolest thing the series has had to offer.


SotN (and the like-minded Castlevania games that followed) has a great way around this too, what with the hidden half of thw game and completely arbitrary 210.4% completion amount.
 
2013-01-23 04:15:40 PM

Hagbardr: Why would I buy them again? My original consoles work just fine, except I need to put a new power jack on the SNES.


That's how I roll. And I have both those games.
 
2013-01-23 04:23:40 PM

blacksharpiemarker: The fact that they decided to rehash that garbage Wind Waker title is offensive in itself.

If they're going to bother reselling old games, they could have at the every least focused on reinventing Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

/Will not be purchasing a WiiU and hasn't been impressed with Nintendo in 15 years
//Back to Skyrim I go!


They used an upresed/retextured OOT as a 3ds game, probably will do the same with MM. A 640x480 Ng6 game does not look good when blown up to 1080p, even with new textures. It's just too low poly.

If WW sells, which we all know it will, I expect Twilight princess sometime in the next few years.

Redoing old games for 1080p or HD has become pretty lucrative. Sony put out several collections so far, as have third parties, though poor Konami keeps screwing theirs up. Oddworld is prettying out all it's old games, redone for hd (or comepletly remade) and is even looking to finally make the next oddworld game.
 
2013-01-23 04:40:22 PM
Who says you have to re-buy? The Wii-U has Wii mode which has the Wii VC and all your loot from your Wii purchases..
 
2013-01-23 04:50:42 PM
RoxtarRyan: I know, because I had all my digital content moved when I got a newer 360 and didn't have a single problem.

On the xbox, they authenticate DLC using two methods.

1) DLC is tied to the console it was purchased on.
2) DLC is also tied to the profile(gamertag) it was purchased on.

You need one of the two to prove that you "own" a piece of DLC.

Swap your XBOX and the content is still tied to your gamertag and can me migrated to a new console.

// in my case, I put my DLC along with my profile onto a USB stick, go to a friends house, and can use my DLC there. But when I remove the stick, my gamertag is logged out and he loses access to that content (even though it's stored on his xbox as well).

// it's a lot easier to move content from one xbox to another ... than from one gamertag to another.
 
2013-01-23 05:03:15 PM
Just last week I busted out the Game Cube to run through the Ocarina of Time Master Quest. It was part of a two game disc (regular Ocarina and the Master Quest) that was free from Gamestop for pre-ordering Windwaker. The master Quest is the same game but with dungeons made more difficult by changing the sequencing with alternations to locations of keys, switches, and all the other stuff.
 
2013-01-23 05:21:17 PM

GreenAdder:

You can transfer ownership of Steam games, as long as you didn't buy them as part of a bundle. So that copy of "Arkham City" you're sick of? You can gift it to a friend.


This is not quite true. The only time you can transfer a Steam game is from your inventory of never-installed games. The minute you install a game into your library, you lose the ability to transfer it. You absolutely cannot play a Steam game until you're sick of it, then transfer the ownership.

You CAN do this with some games on Green Man Gaming if you install their software, though.
 
2013-01-23 05:25:43 PM

moothemagiccow: Lumbar Puncture: AdamK: Xenoblade 2?

I was going to skip this Nintendo console for once, but that trailer...I want that game.

Looks so damned awesome. Jesus.
This is going to dominate my life again


I can appreciate a spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles, but I do not believe that the story of the game lends itself to a direct sequel.
 
2013-01-23 05:37:08 PM

styckx: Who says you have to re-buy? The Wii-U has Wii mode which has the Wii VC and all your loot from your Wii purchases..


It's kind of odd to play roms by emulating one system, that's emulating another system, that's actually playing your game.

Not when you could just play it natively and cut one level of complexity out. I'm not sure why nintendo feels the need to change you for that ability, when others do not.
 
2013-01-23 06:00:59 PM
No backwards compatibility with Wii and Gamecube, no care.
 
2013-01-23 06:02:42 PM

blacksharpiemarker: The fact that they decided to rehash that garbage Wind Waker title is offensive in itself.

If they're going to bother reselling old games, they could have at the every least focused on reinventing Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

/Will not be purchasing a WiiU and hasn't been impressed with Nintendo in 15 years
//Back to Skyrim I go!


Skyrim over Wind Waker? Seriously?
 
2013-01-23 06:13:33 PM

max_pooper: Just last week I busted out the Game Cube to run through the Ocarina of Time Master Quest. It was part of a two game disc (regular Ocarina and the Master Quest) that was free from Gamestop for pre-ordering Windwaker. The master Quest is the same game but with dungeons made more difficult by changing the sequencing with alternations to locations of keys, switches, and all the other stuff.


Water temple is easier on that one
 
2013-01-23 06:19:47 PM

Fano: max_pooper: Just last week I busted out the Game Cube to run through the Ocarina of Time Master Quest. It was part of a two game disc (regular Ocarina and the Master Quest) that was free from Gamestop for pre-ordering Windwaker. The master Quest is the same game but with dungeons made more difficult by changing the sequencing with alternations to locations of keys, switches, and all the other stuff.

Water temple is easier on that one


I haven't gotten to the Water Temple yet, but I remember on the regular version it being pretty damn hard, with mirror Link being the most controller-throwing-profanity-screaming part of any game I had played up to that point. Though after running though the game a few dozen times, I've gotten to the point where it isn't much of a challenge. Which it why I'm working through the Master Quest for the first time, despite owning it for years.
 
2013-01-23 07:42:13 PM
Hyperspin. That is all.
 
2013-01-23 07:46:25 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Skyrim over Wind Waker? Seriously?


To be fair, Skyrim is a hell of a lot easier to mod.
 
2013-01-23 08:08:21 PM

sxacho: Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't care what the law says, I have an internal sense of right and wrong....

I'll happily download the ROM of any game I've previously purchased legitimately.

Me too. I bought a Wii with some games about a year ago and it was fun until some of the games stopped working for no reason. So I bought a set of tri-wing screwdrivers and replaced the laser lens. Still not working. OK. Dolphin emulator, I choose you! So we still have to turn the Wii on to get the lightbar to work, we just don't usually use the disks except for some of the games that work fine on the Wii.


Maybe this will work? http://www.avsforum.com/t/759093/9v-battery-powered-sensor-bar-hack
 
2013-01-23 08:24:07 PM

RoxtarRyan: The My Little Pony Killer: Skyrim over Wind Waker? Seriously?

To be fair, Skyrim is a hell of a lot easier to mod.


I can't imagine how the mods can be so good that people have been playing it for this long. I was thinking of popping in for another round, but after a little while it just got so repetitive: every mob fight is damn near identical and you have infinite gold.
 
2013-01-23 08:40:41 PM

Antimatter: styckx: Who says you have to re-buy? The Wii-U has Wii mode which has the Wii VC and all your loot from your Wii purchases..

It's kind of odd to play roms by emulating one system, that's emulating another system, that's actually playing your game.

Not when you could just play it natively and cut one level of complexity out. I'm not sure why nintendo feels the need to change you for that ability, when others do not.


Yo dawg, I heard you like emulation so I put an emulator in your emulator so you can emulate while you emulate.
 
2013-01-23 08:43:07 PM

Smackledorfer: RoxtarRyan: The My Little Pony Killer: Skyrim over Wind Waker? Seriously?

To be fair, Skyrim is a hell of a lot easier to mod.

I can't imagine how the mods can be so good that people have been playing it for this long. I was thinking of popping in for another round, but after a little while it just got so repetitive: every mob fight is damn near identical and you have infinite gold.


I just picked it up again a couple months ago after taking about 6 months off. Some real impressive mods out there, adding content that is the equivalent of entire DLC packs. About to have some fun with Fallout 3 again as well (got the itch to play when I read the teaser for Fallout 4).

I recommend hitting up Skyrim Nexus for updates, although a couple mods I have can't be found on there since they violated the EULA of the site.
 
2013-01-23 09:19:28 PM

RoxtarRyan: They are re-doing Zelda: Wind Waker, also. More excited about that, but still, remakes of games I liked aren't enough to make me want to buy a brand-new system.


Are they going to shrink the ocean in half and make three more full-length dungeons? Because that's what it would take to make it a good game.
 
2013-01-23 09:33:23 PM

jonny_q: Are they going to shrink the ocean in half and make three more full-length dungeons? Because that's what it would take to make it a good game.


img.photobucket.com

I loved the scenario, the setup for the world. I could even get over the Powerpuff Link and all the whimsy they tried to inject.
Then they threw only four dungeons at me and padded it by making me sail for 10 minutes of featureless ocean to get anywhere. I just about lost it when instead of finding Triforce pieces in dungeons, which might have actually given a nod to the original, I had to fish them out of the goddamn ocean.
Maybe Ganondorf should have taken up fishing. He could have won before Link was even born.
 
2013-01-23 09:44:30 PM

lousyskater: star_topology: As someone who is playing Majora's Mask on Project64, I am getting a kick.

How stable is that anyways? I've been itching to replay MM recently. I wish I still had the N64, and the game cartridge is floating around in a box in the garage somewhere.


It plays pretty well. Controls aren't as reliable as they used to be, but I"m playing with one of these:

a.tgcdn.net
 
2013-01-23 10:42:34 PM

RoxtarRyan: About to have some fun with Fallout 3 again as well (got the itch to play when I read the teaser for Fallout 4).


Oh MAN. Please share!! What teaser for FO4 have you found?!?!
 
2013-01-24 12:23:19 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't care what the law says, I have an internal sense of right and wrong....


Laws aren't about right and wrong. Laws happen to line up with right and wrong often, but not always.

Personally I don't mind paying a few dollars for the convenience to play the game easily instead of having to blow into a cartridge and pray over and over until it finally works. But laws don't factor into my decision at all.
 
2013-01-24 12:24:09 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Skyrim over Wind Waker? Seriously?


It's not a flawless game because no game will ever be, but Skyrim is arguably one of the best titles released within the past decade.

Many will disagree, but I'm still ticked that we were promised this 13 years ago...
2.bp.blogspot.com

...and instead we got this:
3.bp.blogspot.com

All I've hoped for since the N64 era was a "mature" Zelda and a Pokemon Online experience. It never happened, and I've been sour about it ever since.
 
2013-01-24 12:46:35 AM

blacksharpiemarker: "mature" Zelda


This depends on your definition of "mature."

If this just means you want a Zelda game with blood and breasts, I would advise you to pipe down. You're making the rest of us look bad.

If you have some other definition of "mature" that might actually deal with weighty storylines and hard choices, I'll listen.
 
2013-01-24 01:17:43 AM

DanZero: This is why you'll never see a Nintendo "Classics" collection and why their stance on emulation is so firm. They need to nickel and dime the fanboys.


All my classics have come as rewards from Club Nintendo. Here's to hoping these might back there way to the rewards section at some point...
 
2013-01-24 01:32:48 AM
GreenAdder: If this just means you want a Zelda game with blood and breasts, I would advise you to pipe down. You're making the rest of us look bad.

Did you see any blood or breasts in that screenshot he posted? Why do you assume that he wants blood and breasts.

// also wants a mature Zelda game. (No invincible chickens. No annoying fairies, etc).
 
2013-01-24 01:51:32 AM

GreenAdder: This depends on your definition of "mature."

If this just means you want a Zelda game with blood and breasts, I would advise you to pipe down. You're making the rest of us look bad.

If you have some other definition of "mature" that might actually deal with weighty storylines and hard choices, I'll listen.


The second one. Ocarina of Time was fantastic for its darker elements. Majora's Mask was artistically fascinating. The next progressive step seemed logical, that Nintendo would perhaps further expand the game series in that direction.

Wind Waker, in my opinion, was insulting for this very reason. Had the game been labelled by any other name, it would have been considered a fairly mediocre experience. It was lacking of imagination, had little artistic merit besides the flash-in-the-pan cel shading, and was ultimately designed to sell and cater to children.

Nintendo had its Mario, Pokemon, and other titles that already fulfilled that role. It would have been nice had they continued to cater to the audience the N64 Zelda games attracted.

Of course, I've had this argument before and I don't expect for my opinion to be a popular one.

Still, there's moments when I'm playing Skyrim that I picture how incredible it would have been to have been playing a Zelda title with a similar level of depth and detail.

Somewhere along the line Nintendo traded their own sense of adventure and courage for uninspired business logic and mediocrity.
 
2013-01-24 04:58:51 AM

blacksharpiemarker: It never happened, and I've been sour about it ever since.


Kill yourself.
 
2013-01-24 07:46:15 AM

lordargent: Glitchwerks : It's going to be interesting to see what happens when Sony and Microsoft bring out their new consoles and if all the rumors of being unable to play second hand games is true or not.

If that happens, I will perform the rite of ascension where I will rejoin the master PC race that I was descended from.


I'm a big PS3 fanboy, but I'm nervous that the rumor about the PS4 locking out used/rented/borrowed games will turn out to be true. If Sony was smart, they'll leave that stupidity to the XBOX720 (or whatever it'll be called) and watch Microsoft chase their fanbase away.

If the PS4 is backwards compatible with PS3 games and lets me transfer my Trophies, game saves and PSN purchases, it'll be standing in line with my credit card at the ready.
 
2013-01-24 08:02:57 AM

GreenAdder: doczoidberg: I'm gonna be a retro game collector, with a basement like the Angry Video Game Nerd's.

Upsides:
-Some games can be cheap. Even a lot of good games are dirt-cheap because like a zillion copies were produced.
-Multiple avenues to purchase games.
-A pretty good buying / trading / selling community is out there.
-Quite a few games have actual difficulty, rather than just "repeatedly mash the quicksave button every five steps."

Downsides:
-Remember all those jerks who kind of ruined comics in the 90's? They're back, and they've heard that "vidya games" is the new way to make money. They prowl every flea market and garage sale, looking for old games to throw on eBay.
-A lot of sweaty man-children run stores and sell stuff at ridiculous markups. They'll claim that "Super Mario / Duck Hunt"  cart is worth $100 because it's rare. And by "rare," he actually means "out of print."

-Some older games go for small fortunes because they actually  are rare, which sucks if you want to revisit some childhood classics.
-Your collection will soon take up more of the house than you know what to do with.


There was an episode of Storage Wars where some idiot found an old dirty NES (which was also missing the box, some connections and instructions) and claimed it was worth $13,000 because it was a "rare NES-001".

Witness the fail for yourself
 
2013-01-24 08:04:32 AM

Purity Of Essence: Kill yourself.


Sorry friend, I don't aspire to the same life goal you're working towards.
 
2013-01-24 08:06:41 AM

RevRaven: SMW was a great evolution of the series, but it didn't get a unveiling in a 90 minute commercial like SMB3 did, and that automatically makes SMB3 win.

/he touched my breast


Was he wearing a Power Glove when he touched it? It's so bad...
 
2013-01-24 08:26:01 AM

Sergeant Grumbles: jonny_q: Are they going to shrink the ocean in half and make three more full-length dungeons? Because that's what it would take to make it a good game.

[img.photobucket.com image 200x200]

I loved the scenario, the setup for the world. I could even get over the Powerpuff Link and all the whimsy they tried to inject.
Then they threw only four dungeons at me and padded it by making me sail for 10 minutes of featureless ocean to get anywhere. I just about lost it when instead of finding Triforce pieces in dungeons, which might have actually given a nod to the original, I had to fish them out of the goddamn ocean.
Maybe Ganondorf should have taken up fishing. He could have won before Link was even born.


According to several sources, WW was supposed to have at least 2 more dungeons, but Nintendo wanted the game out RIGHT NOW and so the programmers scrapped the planned dungeons and filled it in with the Triforce fetch quest.

I would have been willing to wait a few more months if it meant more cool dungeons instead of boring filler. I also didn't like the warp system too much either - too few warps, and they were usually too far away from the islands you had to do a lot of backtracking to.

These are the only things that keep WW from beating Link To The Past as the #1 Zelda on my list.
 
2013-01-24 08:40:51 AM
I've played all of the Zeldas, and Wind Waker remains my favorite.

It's just plain beautiful to me. The artwork...the music...the scale. I'll always have a special place for it.

However, I do admit that they should have included those two additional dungeons. It wouldn't have been that hard.
 
2013-01-24 10:11:45 AM

Mike_LowELL: As it concerns the 2D games, that easily goes to Super Mario World


Not enough credit for Yoshi's Island, in my opinion. That game was absolutely incredible and absolutely gorgeous.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:32 AM
HEYY!!! LISTEN!!!
 
2013-01-24 10:47:51 AM

blacksharpiemarker: GreenAdder: This depends on your definition of "mature."

If this just means you want a Zelda game with blood and breasts, I would advise you to pipe down. You're making the rest of us look bad.

If you have some other definition of "mature" that might actually deal with weighty storylines and hard choices, I'll listen.

The second one. Ocarina of Time was fantastic for its darker elements. Majora's Mask was artistically fascinating. The next progressive step seemed logical, that Nintendo would perhaps further expand the game series in that direction.

Wind Waker, in my opinion, was insulting for this very reason. Had the game been labelled by any other name, it would have been considered a fairly mediocre experience. It was lacking of imagination, had little artistic merit besides the flash-in-the-pan cel shading, and was ultimately designed to sell and cater to children.

Nintendo had its Mario, Pokemon, and other titles that already fulfilled that role. It would have been nice had they continued to cater to the audience the N64 Zelda games attracted.

Of course, I've had this argument before and I don't expect for my opinion to be a popular one.

Still, there's moments when I'm playing Skyrim that I picture how incredible it would have been to have been playing a Zelda title with a similar level of depth and detail.

Somewhere along the line Nintendo traded their own sense of adventure and courage for uninspired business logic and mediocrity.


Majora's Mask was pretty dark. The characters you use for the masks (zora , deku scrub) are dead.the world is visibly doomed by an insane moon. The time manipulation mechanic and iirc, the repetition / backtracking wasn't too bad due to good dungeon design. (You only have to fight ghoht like 20 times, but it is a relatively fun and quick battle)

I enjoyed twilight princess quite a bit. Midna and the twilight realm grow on you, and it is sad to say goodbye. Phantom hourglass? Who doesn't love backtracking through the same dungeon over and over? And more sailing? Spirit tracks? The rail gimmick got pretty annoying since you had to always be lobbing cannonballs at the ceaseless tedious foes. Oh, and blowing the gameboy with precision.

I still haven't quite gotten into Skyward Sword.
 
2013-01-24 11:07:53 AM

GreenAdder: So you're saying I can't just take my WiiWare / Virtual Console stuff over to the new platform? This may affect my decision on when to purchase one.


There is a Virtual Wii within the WiiU. You can transfer and play your WiiWare/VC stuff on the Virtual Wii but not directly on the WiiU. The difference is minimal... you have to boot up the Virtual Wii and you can't use the fancy game pad. In fact I think $1 per game is about exactly what the difference would be worth to me.
 
2013-01-24 11:20:04 AM

Fano: I enjoyed twilight princess quite a bit. Midna and the twilight realm grow on you, and it is sad to say goodbye. Phantom hourglass? Who doesn't love backtracking through the same dungeon over and over? And more sailing? Spirit tracks? The rail gimmick got pretty annoying since you had to always be lobbing cannonballs at the ceaseless tedious foes. Oh, and blowing the gameboy with precision.

I still haven't quite gotten into Skyward Sword.


Oh lord, the flute playing that was mandatory to progress in the game was a PITA. Whoever thought of that should have honey poured on their crotch and thrown in a pit of hungry bears.

I actually liked Skyward Sword despite the annoying Fi, the stamina meter, grinding for rare crap to forge better items in lieu of just buying/finding them, and the damn Wii-mote controls.
 
2013-01-24 11:39:05 AM

olapbill: HEYY!!! LISTEN!!!


Dammit, Navi.
 
2013-01-24 11:45:18 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: I actually liked Skyward Sword despite the annoying Fi, the stamina meter, grinding for rare crap to forge better items in lieu of just buying/finding them, and the damn Wii-mote controls.


I had precisely one problem with the controls, and that was the stabbing motion. I couldn't get that right, but that was my own fault. Otherwise, I have no idea what people are complaining about. The controls were tremendously easy.

I didn't mind the stamina meter - perhaps it's because it played so well into the desert areas. I know I should be careful about saying "realism" in a game like that, but I liked that you couldn't sprint everywhere.

Grinding for stuff though...yeah, I get that. That was annoying as hell. The bug charm was a great help for that. Not my first choice for dropping that many rupees, but whatever.

Generally, Skyward Sword was my #2 game of the year for 2011, behind Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
 
2013-01-24 11:55:09 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: I actually liked Skyward Sword despite the annoying Fi


fark Fi.

"Sir, I estimate a 98% chance that your health is low. I recommend you seek hearts immediately."

"THANK YOU, FI. THE INCESSANT BEEPING DIDN'T CLUE ME IN."
 
2013-01-24 11:56:09 AM
Also, I have ONE major complaint with Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.

To cater to the fact that they're using wiimotes, and most people are right handed... Link is a righty now.

As he seemed like one of the few left-handed heroes in existence, this still pisses me off.
 
2013-01-24 12:45:50 PM
Meh the last Zelda game I played was Link to the Past.

/am I the only one that liked Zelda II: The Adventure of Link?
 
2013-01-24 01:12:38 PM

AgentKGB: /am I the only one that liked Zelda II: The Adventure of Link?


No, that game was awesome.
 
2013-01-24 01:54:37 PM

Felgraf: Also, I have ONE major complaint with Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.

To cater to the fact that they're using wiimotes, and most people are right handed... Link is a righty now.

As he seemed like one of the few left-handed heroes in existence, this still pisses me off.


1. Southpaws are the devil's children.
2. I get really pissed over the most trivial of things to! (no I don't) :D

I think they should have had a reverse option and put two models in the game though.
 
2013-01-24 02:04:00 PM

AgentKGB: Meh the last Zelda game I played was Link to the Past.

/am I the only one that liked Zelda II: The Adventure of Link?


It was a good game. I liked the RPG element with leveling up.
 
2013-01-24 02:13:54 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Fano: I enjoyed twilight princess quite a bit. Midna and the twilight realm grow on you, and it is sad to say goodbye. Phantom hourglass? Who doesn't love backtracking through the same dungeon over and over? And more sailing? Spirit tracks? The rail gimmick got pretty annoying since you had to always be lobbing cannonballs at the ceaseless tedious foes. Oh, and blowing the gameboy with precision.

I still haven't quite gotten into Skyward Sword.

Oh lord, the flute playing that was mandatory to progress in the game was a PITA. Whoever thought of that should have honey poured on their crotch and thrown in a pit of hungry bears.

I actually liked Skyward Sword despite the annoying Fi, the stamina meter, grinding for rare crap to forge better items in lieu of just buying/finding them, and the damn Wii-mote controls.


Dear developers: stop tacking on fiddly controls for required mini games. Yes, I get that you are trying novel uses for the D's inputs, but nearly always a chore. Ditto for having to pick up the stylus in the middle of combat to defeat a boss you've actually defeated like in the castlevania game I never stop biatching about.

I will confess, one puzzle that was cheap that I liked in phantom hourglass. I was on a plane flight, and I tried forever to solve it. Finally, I closed the gameboy in annoyance, ready to try later, only to hear the puzzle solved tune.

Zelda games usually do a good job of making the mini games optional, though it appears to be less so over time.

I don't know how interested in skyward sword I will be if there is grinding involved; I thought digging for the heart piece in dampe's graveyard was tedious enough. The grind in Zelda should typically be: get new item, backtrack through entire world to find new and creative uses for it, rinse and repeat until you put a light arrow through Gannon's forehead.
 
2013-01-24 02:31:50 PM
FuryOfFirestorm: If the PS4 is backwards compatible with PS3 games and lets me transfer my Trophies, game saves and PSN purchases, it'll be standing in line with my credit card at the ready.

But if history repeats itself, you have to make sure you get one of the first SKUs, because they might remove backward compatibility from later revisions :P
 
2013-01-24 02:58:15 PM

Fano: Dear developers: stop tacking on fiddly controls for required mini games. Yes, I get that you are trying novel uses for the D's inputs, but nearly always a chore. Ditto for having to pick up the stylus in the middle of combat to defeat a boss you've actually defeated like in the castlevania game I never stop biatching about.


They do a good job of utilizing the wiimote for skyward sword. I was a little annoyed at swimming parts, but then they haven't gotten swimming right in a zelda game since they were 2d.

Fano: I don't know how interested in skyward sword I will be if there is grinding involved; I thought digging for the heart piece in dampe's graveyard was tedious enough. The grind in Zelda should typically be: get new item, backtrack through entire world to find new and creative uses for it, rinse and repeat until you put a light arrow through Gannon's forehead.


There really isn't much. If you spend a minor amount of time with a walkthrough you will find it is very easy to harvest the goods you need, and most of the things you 'need' are completely optional. Grinding just means having some upgrades to your tools that make other bits of the game easier: better shield sooner, more access to better potions, your flying bug toy (which I thought was fun) can bump into stuff more than once without returning to you and also has a longer duration for puzzle solving/scouting stuff.

If you never get the hang of how to use your shield I guess you could consider grinding necessary.
 
2013-01-24 03:11:54 PM

Smackledorfer: Felgraf: Also, I have ONE major complaint with Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.

To cater to the fact that they're using wiimotes, and most people are right handed... Link is a righty now.

As he seemed like one of the few left-handed heroes in existence, this still pisses me off.

1. Southpaws are the devil's children.
2. I get really pissed over the most trivial of things to! (no I don't) :D

I think they should have had a reverse option and put two models in the game though.


I'm not *actually* super-pissed about it, I admit-I was being a bit hyperbolic. (Fi, for instance? Waaaaaayyyy more annoying.) It was just sort of... irritating, I guess? I always liked the fact that he was a lefty.
 
2013-01-24 03:20:33 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: There was an episode of Storage Wars where some idiot found an old dirty NES (which was also missing the box, some connections and instructions) and claimed it was worth $13,000 because it was a "rare NES-001".


I've seen that segment and laughed many times. But it always brings a smile to my face.
 
2013-01-24 03:56:05 PM

Smackledorfer: your flying bug toy (which I thought was fun) can bump into stuff more than once without returning to you and also has a longer duration for puzzle solving/scouting stuff.


My "I have no idea what I'm doing" indicator was bringing out the bug to look around and see what the hell I missed. Worked every time.
 
2013-01-24 05:18:55 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Smackledorfer: your flying bug toy (which I thought was fun) can bump into stuff more than once without returning to you and also has a longer duration for puzzle solving/scouting stuff.

My "I have no idea what I'm doing" indicator was bringing out the bug to look around and see what the hell I missed. Worked every time.


I hope it is in every zelda from this point on.

Wouldn't mind a return of the spinning top from TP either.
 
2013-01-24 06:13:20 PM

blacksharpiemarker: Of course, I've had this argument before and I don't expect for my opinion to be a popular one.


At least now that the game's been out for a decade, you won't get the "You just hate the graphics." excuse I got, without fail, every time I tried to criticize the game in its heyday.

It was a dark setup. The hero never appears, so rather than let Ganondorf win, the gods destroyed the world, biblical flood style, with the survivors clinging to the mountaintops and eventually coming to view the new ocean as normal, and home. Might as well have made a game about the survivors after the moon fell in Majora's Mask.
Great way to turn the franchise on its head all by itself, the idea that the hero failed, and the land you knew from before is buried somewhere beneath the waves. The field now an ocean.
Then after that, they decided to make it a kid's game and ruined the impact. I still ended up liking it, but it was full of wasted ideas and far too short minus the obvious filler. I mean, seriously, I was ready to join Ganondorf the second he yelled "Your own gods destroyed you." None of the other Zelda games even try to paint Ganon as a sympathetic villain.
 
2013-01-24 07:19:09 PM

Felgraf: Smackledorfer: Felgraf: Also, I have ONE major complaint with Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.

To cater to the fact that they're using wiimotes, and most people are right handed... Link is a righty now.

As he seemed like one of the few left-handed heroes in existence, this still pisses me off.

1. Southpaws are the devil's children.
2. I get really pissed over the most trivial of things to! (no I don't) :D

I think they should have had a reverse option and put two models in the game though.

I'm not *actually* super-pissed about it, I admit-I was being a bit hyperbolic. (Fi, for instance? Waaaaaayyyy more annoying.) It was just sort of... irritating, I guess? I always liked the fact that he was a lefty.


Isn't it a different Link every time with none of them related to each other as descendants/ancestors? So some Links are lefties and some are righties.
 
2013-01-24 07:20:39 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: blacksharpiemarker: Of course, I've had this argument before and I don't expect for my opinion to be a popular one.

At least now that the game's been out for a decade, you won't get the "You just hate the graphics." excuse I got, without fail, every time I tried to criticize the game in its heyday.

It was a dark setup. The hero never appears, so rather than let Ganondorf win, the gods destroyed the world, biblical flood style, with the survivors clinging to the mountaintops and eventually coming to view the new ocean as normal, and home. Might as well have made a game about the survivors after the moon fell in Majora's Mask.
Great way to turn the franchise on its head all by itself, the idea that the hero failed, and the land you knew from before is buried somewhere beneath the waves. The field now an ocean.
Then after that, they decided to make it a kid's game and ruined the impact. I still ended up liking it, but it was full of wasted ideas and far too short minus the obvious filler. I mean, seriously, I was ready to join Ganondorf the second he yelled "Your own gods destroyed you." None of the other Zelda games even try to paint Ganon as a sympathetic villain.


25.media.tumblr.com

/I keed I keed
 
2013-01-24 10:16:05 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: blacksharpiemarker: Of course, I've had this argument before and I don't expect for my opinion to be a popular one.

At least now that the game's been out for a decade, you won't get the "You just hate the graphics." excuse I got, without fail, every time I tried to criticize the game in its heyday.

It was a dark setup. The hero never appears, so rather than let Ganondorf win, the gods destroyed the world, biblical flood style, with the survivors clinging to the mountaintops and eventually coming to view the new ocean as normal, and home. Might as well have made a game about the survivors after the moon fell in Majora's Mask.
Great way to turn the franchise on its head all by itself, the idea that the hero failed, and the land you knew from before is buried somewhere beneath the waves. The field now an ocean.
Then after that, they decided to make it a kid's game and ruined the impact. I still ended up liking it, but it was full of wasted ideas and far too short minus the obvious filler. I mean, seriously, I was ready to join Ganondorf the second he yelled "Your own gods destroyed you." None of the other Zelda games even try to paint Ganon as a sympathetic villain.


Thank you for this post. Valid points. Although I played through Wind Waker and felt disconnected from the experience throughout the majority of the game, I also felt the introduction and the way they presented Ganondorf to be rather well done.
 
2013-01-25 08:17:07 PM
 
2013-01-26 01:04:29 AM

AgentKGB: Isn't it a different Link every time with none of them related to each other as descendants/ancestors? So some Links are lefties and some are righties.


Weeeeelll.... as of Skyward Sword, which sets up *everything* so far, As far as I can tell the answer to that question is "sort of yes, sort of no."
 
2013-01-26 02:17:53 PM

Felgraf: AgentKGB: Isn't it a different Link every time with none of them related to each other as descendants/ancestors? So some Links are lefties and some are righties.

Weeeeelll.... as of Skyward Sword, which sets up *everything* so far, As far as I can tell the answer to that question is "sort of yes, sort of no."


Well I know it's the same Link in Zelda & Zelda II. He's just a tiny bit older in Zelda II. Needed more caffeine when I did my older post *sigh*
 
Displayed 149 of 149 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report