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2013-01-23 01:32:35 PM  
no.
 
2013-01-23 01:34:38 PM  
I like Uncle Joe, but no.
 
2013-01-23 01:35:21 PM  
Biden has as much of a chance as Paul Ryan in a thong.
 
2013-01-23 01:38:09 PM  
New Hampshire state Sen. Lou D'Allesandro

So, not related to Pelosi and the Baltimore mayors?
 
2013-01-23 01:39:47 PM  
No Joe, just no. Love ya bro, but no.
 
2013-01-23 01:40:04 PM  
We will never elect another President older than a Baby Boomer (born in 1946). Joe Biden is 70 right now (1942).
 
2013-01-23 01:40:12 PM  
Why not? He'd make a great president.

Is it because once you go black...?
 
2013-01-23 01:40:55 PM  
Biden?

Thought the Dems had a deep bench than that.
 
2013-01-23 01:41:06 PM  
I'd just like to thank subby for the laugh.
 
2013-01-23 01:41:40 PM  
Normally I would say no, but who have the GOP got? Run Jeb? Paul Ryan could beat a rug, much less a breathing human.
 
2013-01-23 01:42:09 PM  
Biden would have to be drunk to think he has a chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.

Then again, so would any Democrat.
 
2013-01-23 01:42:25 PM  
Love me some Uncle Joe, but no thanks. He's pretty spry for someone his age, but I'm not sure in four years, much less twelve should he win. And a lot of the things I like about him just aren't something I see in a President, especially in this hyperactive communication age where one of his gaffes on the campaign trail could sink the entire thing. Just too much riding on 2016 for that.

Clinton though? Yes please. She's younger (enough) and more than capable.
 
2013-01-23 01:43:04 PM  
I would be happy to have a beer or ten with Joe but I'm not sold on him as president. He drafted the PATRIOT act, he's been consistently down on internet rights, and his tendency to stick his foot in his mouth is fun but bad news for a presidential candidate. He's been a pretty typical Dem party line guy most of his career. If there's going to be someone who is going to keep pushing the country left I'd rather have someone who was, you know, actually somewhat leftist.
 
2013-01-23 01:44:48 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I like Uncle Joe, but no.


Serious question: who do you see winning the Democratic Primary, if not Joe? The nomination could go to him pretty much by default; the Democratic bench isn't very deep.
 
2013-01-23 01:45:30 PM  

Mouser: Biden would have to be drunk to think he has a chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.

Then again, so would any Democrat.


Really? The only elections Republicans win are House seats that have been gerrymandered. Dems could run pretty much any vanilla candidate for president and they would win handily.
 
2013-01-23 01:46:33 PM  
Gotta admit - the yuk-factor would be EPIC. Joe would have them rolling in the aisles.
 
2013-01-23 01:46:47 PM  
On a side note, assuming this isn't all just total BS or misdirection, and assuming as well that Clinton wants to run, that has to be one hell of a conversation waiting to happen between those two.

I can't imagine Obama in that situation where you have your own VP and first Sec State running against each other in the primary. Even if he wisely endorses nobody until they win the nomination he's going to wind up pissing off a bunch of people either way.
 
2013-01-23 01:48:26 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: On a side note, assuming this isn't all just total BS or misdirection, and assuming as well that Clinton wants to run, that has to be one hell of a conversation waiting to happen between those two.

I can't imagine Obama in that situation where you have your own VP and first Sec State running against each other in the primary. Even if he wisely endorses nobody until they win the nomination he's going to wind up pissing off a bunch of people either way.


Who would he end up pissing off? In what way would it matter?
 
2013-01-23 01:48:31 PM  
Joe would get Gored is Hillary or Cuomo didn't already pancake him in the primaries.
 
2013-01-23 01:48:36 PM  
Biden quit drinking a long time ago. He's this goofy stone sober
 
2013-01-23 01:49:22 PM  

TheOther: Joe would get Gored is IF Hillary or Cuomo didn't already pancake him in the primaries.


FTFM
 
2013-01-23 01:49:48 PM  
i love the headline and i love smokin' joe biden's smokin hot wife.
 
2013-01-23 01:52:37 PM  
 
2013-01-23 01:58:01 PM  

qorkfiend: LowbrowDeluxe: I like Uncle Joe, but no.

Serious question: who do you see winning the Democratic Primary, if not Joe? The nomination could go to him pretty much by default; the Democratic bench isn't very deep.


Really? I'd say it's not only deep, but full of qualified people. Aside from Biden I think Clinton is obvious, and I could see Sens. Gillibrand or Warner, Cuomo out of New York, Patrick out of Mass possibly all running and winning the nomination just off the top of my head. There's a bunch of second tier people I could see running just to up their profile, but really the field doesn't need to be deep when you have a sitting VP running and or a possible superstar like Clinton. If either one of them runs, the nomination is theirs.

I just don't see Clinton and Biden both running though. I can't see how that ends well for either of them. One will obviously lose with that being their last act in public service probably, and the other will have a whole lot of explaining to do to the voters that supported the other. It worked out in the end for Obama in 2008; however, I'm not sure it can work again.
 
2013-01-23 01:58:39 PM  
He's too ugly. Will be even uglier in 2016.
 
2013-01-23 02:00:04 PM  
Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?
 
2013-01-23 02:02:30 PM  

lucksi: Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?


No because the VP must also be eligible to be president
 
2013-01-23 02:02:55 PM  
Biden would be historic. He's one of the few politicians who genuinely connects with the common folk, because he literally is the common folk. Just like we have our first multiracial President, we could have our first middle-class President since, what... Andrew Jackson?

If both he and Hillary run, I'd have a real conundrum.

Anyway, let's just focus on getting some stuff done with Obama for the next three years. Plenty of time to worry about this later.
 
2013-01-23 02:03:16 PM  

qorkfiend: LowbrowDeluxe: I like Uncle Joe, but no.

Serious question: who do you see winning the Democratic Primary, if not Joe? The nomination could go to him pretty much by default; the Democratic bench isn't very deep.


Hillary, although honestly I think she's better at what she's doing than she would be as a President. She's had a serious political career in her own right so I don't feel bad about her riding on name recognition alone, she's just not my favorite pick. I'd like to see another Obama come out of the woodwork somewhere, to be honest. Except one leaning left-of-center instead of right-of-center. Technologically savvy, educated in a field that actually relates to higher office, if he leaned just enough left to come down hard for issues like Net Neutrality. Social issues are important, but I'd really like a President that was of a mind to push tech issues for a term.
 
2013-01-23 02:03:38 PM  

lucksi: Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?


There was a President who served on the Supreme Court afterward. Can't remember who. Taft?
 
2013-01-23 02:04:25 PM  

lucksi: Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?


Twelfth Amendment: "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States"


It's actually an undecided issue. Some say that a President who has exhausted his two terms could in fact be VP but would be skipped over in the line of succession. But I'd be willing to bet the Supreme Court would take the Twelfth Amendment at face value. Plus, skipping the VP in the Line of Succession would mean that the Speaker of the House gets to go next, which probably isn't an appealing idea to any Democrats.
 
2013-01-23 02:07:42 PM  

lucksi: Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?


Assuming he got elected or appointed or nominated, he could go back to the Senate run for a House seat, serve in a Cabinet. Supreme Court Justice...about anything but Prez or VP.
 
2013-01-23 02:07:45 PM  
Thanks Joe. But um...You're not what we're looking for.
 
2013-01-23 02:08:19 PM  
I like Joe and believe he'd make an excellent commander-in-chief. The debates (both elections) proved it, even with the minor league competition.

Hillary is his main competition and well Repubs, as long as the Tea Baggers are influencing primaries you don't have a chance. There's no way they'd nominate Huntsman.
 
2013-01-23 02:08:31 PM  

Tommy Moo: lucksi: Could Obama run as VP?

Serious question. I know that presidents are limited to two terms, but can he do anything after that?

There was a President who served on the Supreme Court afterward. Can't remember who. Taft?


Chief Justice Taft, wasn't it?
 
2013-01-23 02:09:41 PM  

qorkfiend: Shrugging Atlas: On a side note, assuming this isn't all just total BS or misdirection, and assuming as well that Clinton wants to run, that has to be one hell of a conversation waiting to happen between those two.

I can't imagine Obama in that situation where you have your own VP and first Sec State running against each other in the primary. Even if he wisely endorses nobody until they win the nomination he's going to wind up pissing off a bunch of people either way.

Who would he end up pissing off? In what way would it matter?


The supporters of whichever candidate that loses, holding the belief that Obama's support would have changed the outcome...both his endorsement and the OFA donor/mailing lists that he controls. That's probably especially true of Clinton's given the fact they'd think it was the second time he hosed her and many people have held the belief she'd be next in line. Not fair but that's how many perceive it.

In what way would it matter? I dunno. Both Clinton and Biden have lots of allies on the Hill he may need that are going to really be pushing for their guy or gal. And not coming out and supporting his own VPs decision to run will let the GOP run a few ads...not like it will matter that much since the GOP's farking done at the national level unless they obtain a sudden influx of sanity between now and then.

No matter what Obama will go the route of 'letting the process play out' as he should but I have to think he'd have a favorite among those two that he'd happily endorse from the start if the other weren't running.
 
2013-01-23 02:11:37 PM  
Yeah, that's about as likely as Sarah Palin running...
 
2013-01-23 02:12:07 PM  
Marco Rubio will be sworn in four years from Monday. 100% chance.
 
2013-01-23 02:12:17 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: qorkfiend: Shrugging Atlas: On a side note, assuming this isn't all just total BS or misdirection, and assuming as well that Clinton wants to run, that has to be one hell of a conversation waiting to happen between those two.

I can't imagine Obama in that situation where you have your own VP and first Sec State running against each other in the primary. Even if he wisely endorses nobody until they win the nomination he's going to wind up pissing off a bunch of people either way.

Who would he end up pissing off? In what way would it matter?

The supporters of whichever candidate that loses, holding the belief that Obama's support would have changed the outcome...both his endorsement and the OFA donor/mailing lists that he controls. That's probably especially true of Clinton's given the fact they'd think it was the second time he hosed her and many people have held the belief she'd be next in line. Not fair but that's how many perceive it.

In what way would it matter? I dunno. Both Clinton and Biden have lots of allies on the Hill he may need that are going to really be pushing for their guy or gal. And not coming out and supporting his own VPs decision to run will let the GOP run a few ads...not like it will matter that much since the GOP's farking done at the national level unless they obtain a sudden influx of sanity between now and then.

No matter what Obama will go the route of 'letting the process play out' as he should but I have to think he'd have a favorite among those two that he'd happily endorse from the start if the other weren't running.


And this would make a difference how? The people who vote in the Democratic primaries and would care about who Obama endorses aren't the kind of people who would turn around and vote Republican in the general election because the Democrats didn't nominate their preferred candidate.
 
2013-01-23 02:12:45 PM  

ManRay: Biden?

Thought the Dems had a deep bench than that.


Hillary Clinton, Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillenbrand, Elizabeth Warren, Antonio Villaraigosa, Deval Patrick, Rahm Emmanuel, Mark Warner ... They're all top-tier nationally-known (or nearly) politicians and any of which would do a great job.
 
2013-01-23 02:13:37 PM  
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2013-01-23 02:16:11 PM  

Kuta: Early handicapping from the DailyKos...


I think Hillary and Biden are too old.

I'm putting Gillibrand as the favorite if she runs, when she was appointed Senator the NYC Democrats and the State GOP were licking their chops to get a crack at her for the primary and general. And she's crushed them all, drove them before her and listens to the lamentations of their women on her ipod.

Schweitzer & Warner might be a bit too white and centrist for the primaries. Schweitzer is going to be the media darling though.

Warren won't be able to run because she was elected to make the finance sector honest, so if she does her job she'll be the HitlerStalinForRealsThisTime to the bankers. And they'll empty your bank accounts to stop her.
 
2013-01-23 02:16:20 PM  
I think the next job for Biden should be Vice President.

Clinton/Biden anyone?
 
2013-01-23 02:19:27 PM  
It won't happen, but it would be absolutely hillarious to see Obama on the Supreme Court. The GOP derposphere would implode on itself like the house at the end of Poltergeist.

But to game that out, I wonder how it would work. Would he have to recuse himself whenever a case came forward that was connected in some way to his administration? Would it just be laws he signed? What about a law or policy his administration inherited from a previous one? Or can SC justices just say "Fark it, what are you going to do? Appeal?"
 
2013-01-23 02:20:40 PM  
I think the proper tag would be "unlikely."
 
2013-01-23 02:23:22 PM  
While I agree that Uncle Joe is too old, if Hillary bows out and he runs I will support and vote for him over ANY Republican.

If he does get the nomination I hope he picks a young up-n-comer woman as VP who can step in after 4 years if he gets sick or is too tired.

There isn't a Republican who can win that nomination that I would even consider voting for at this point. Lose the Teatard wing driving the boat and maybe we can talk. But not as it stands. No.
 
2013-01-23 02:24:14 PM  
Biden is the reason why nobody has taken a whack at the sitting pres yet.

That'll do, pig. That'll do
 
2013-01-23 02:27:16 PM  

Cymbal: Mouser: Biden would have to be drunk to think he has a chance of winning the Presidency in 2016.

Then again, so would any Democrat.

Really? The only elections Republicans win are House seats that have been gerrymandered. Dems could run pretty much any vanilla candidate for president and they would win handily.


Serious question: do you think Obama won "handily" this last election?
 
2013-01-23 02:27:44 PM  
While I don't think he should run for the office, I think they should give him a podium at all the debates anyway.
 
2013-01-23 02:28:07 PM  

StopLurkListen: ManRay: Biden?

Thought the Dems had a deep bench than that.

Hillary Clinton, Andrew Cuomo, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillenbrand, Elizabeth Warren, Antonio Villaraigosa, Deval Patrick, Rahm Emmanuel, Mark Warner ... They're all top-tier nationally-known (or nearly) politicians and any of which would do a great job.


I'd add Jay Nixon as a dark horse to that list, too.
 
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