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(AP)   Bloomberg policy called "racist" by NAACP for the soda kingsize ban. And, as you know, whenever NAACP says something is racist, it is 100% true IRL   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 81
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2013-01-23 09:53:53 AM  
Wouldn't it only be racist if it directly discriminated or in it's effect it disproportionately affected minorities?

White people drink Pepsi like this.  Black people drink Pepsi like that.
 
2013-01-23 10:22:38 AM  
CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.
 
2013-01-23 10:29:18 AM  
It is a well known fact that the best purple drank only comes in big gulp sizes. This is a clear strike at the african american community by the mayor
 
2013-01-23 10:31:00 AM  

I_C_Weener: White people drink Pepsi like this. Black people drink Pepsi like that.


Black people drink grape soda.
 
2013-01-23 10:34:36 AM  

vernonFL: I_C_Weener: White people drink Pepsi like this. Black people drink Pepsi like that.

Black people drink grape soda.


That's not true.

Sometimes they drink orange soda.
 
2013-01-23 10:39:03 AM  

GiantRex: CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.


The article doesn't explain this well, but basically what they are saying is that grocery stores, chains that exist outside of NYC like 7-11 and certain convenience stores are exempt from this law, but bodegas and small business delis, which are disproportionately owned by minorities, are not. As a result, when someone walks into a deli and can't buy their drink they will then go next door to 7-11 or Subway and buy it there.
 
2013-01-23 10:42:46 AM  
Unlike the idiot mass that is the Fox News viewership base, thinking humans do not believe everything said by any and all groups that they usually agree with. The NAACP is wrong on this point..... which does not mean that they are wrong on everything else.
 
2013-01-23 10:50:46 AM  

mahuika: GiantRex: CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.

The article doesn't explain this well, but basically what they are saying is that grocery stores, chains that exist outside of NYC like 7-11 and certain convenience stores are exempt from this law, but bodegas and small business delis, which are disproportionately owned by minorities, are not. As a result, when someone walks into a deli and can't buy their drink they will then go next door to 7-11 or Subway and buy it there.


I wouldn't say it's racist... but its classist. Basically an exception was made for big businesses at the expense of small business. Obviously bodegas have to hire better lobyist or make more campaign contributions.
 
2013-01-23 10:51:32 AM  

bronyaur1: Unlike the idiot mass that is the Fox News viewership base, thinking humans do not believe everything said by any and all groups that they usually agree with. The NAACP is wrong on this point..... which does not mean that they are wrong on everything else.


Are you saying that the NAACP has only been wrong one time?
 
2013-01-23 10:55:16 AM  

Shostie: vernonFL: I_C_Weener: White people drink Pepsi like this. Black people drink Pepsi like that.

Black people drink grape soda.

That's not true.

Sometimes they drink orange soda.


Or purple drank
 
2013-01-23 11:10:37 AM  

kbronsito: mahuika: GiantRex: CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.

The article doesn't explain this well, but basically what they are saying is that grocery stores, chains that exist outside of NYC like 7-11 and certain convenience stores are exempt from this law, but bodegas and small business delis, which are disproportionately owned by minorities, are not. As a result, when someone walks into a deli and can't buy their drink they will then go next door to 7-11 or Subway and buy it there.

I wouldn't say it's racist... but its classist. Basically an exception was made for big businesses at the expense of small business. Obviously bodegas have to hire better lobyist or make more campaign contributions.


Well, the class discrimination has been the forefront of their suit so far, as I understand it. The NAACP and the Hispanic Federation have gotten involved because class discrimination and race discrimination in NYC go hand in hand and, as you pointed out, the bodega and deli owners aren't exactly brimming with wealthy connections.
 
2013-01-23 11:10:37 AM  
this is bizarre.
 
2013-01-23 11:10:51 AM  
I'm surprised restaurants and theatres weren't up in arms over that. The profit margin on those large sodas is HUGE compared to the smaller ones (which is why there is such a push for the upsell.)  Any size costs them pennies, but they can charge exponentially more for the larger sizes. It's almost all pure profit. I seriously thought the businesses would win out in this one and the sodas would stay.

As for whether or not its racist, I'd think the NAACP should be more concerned about other things, like the NYC search and frisk program, which was allowed to resume yesterday.
 
2013-01-23 11:11:36 AM  
Oh shiat! Will fried chicken be considered racist, next?
 
2013-01-23 11:11:43 AM  
National Association for the Advancement of Coke Purveyors.
 
2013-01-23 11:13:29 AM  
Everything about this is asinine.
 
2013-01-23 11:14:04 AM  
Great example of how the world goes. Bloomberg does something dumb--try to take junk away from junkheads who want junk--and makes it dumber--immediately writes in all kinds of exemptions for powerful corporations.

NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.

And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."

Perfect.
 
2013-01-23 11:14:36 AM  
Don't worry, you can still buy the BigBig gulp.

www.doobybrain.com
 
2013-01-23 11:15:01 AM  

Jake Havechek: Oh shiat! Will fried chicken be considered racist, next?


Only KFC. Popeyes has an African-American female as a spokes-person, so they are incapable of being racist.
 
2013-01-23 11:15:26 AM  

Kibbler: And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."


the liberal media strikes again
 
2013-01-23 11:17:04 AM  

Kibbler: Great example of how the world goes. Bloomberg does something dumb--try to take junk away from junkheads who want junk--and makes it dumber--immediately writes in all kinds of exemptions for powerful corporations.

NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.

And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."

Perfect.



Because no small independent businesses are ever owned by Caucasians.
 
2013-01-23 11:17:36 AM  

kbronsito: mahuika: GiantRex: CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.

The article doesn't explain this well, but basically what they are saying is that grocery stores, chains that exist outside of NYC like 7-11 and certain convenience stores are exempt from this law, but bodegas and small business delis, which are disproportionately owned by minorities, are not. As a result, when someone walks into a deli and can't buy their drink they will then go next door to 7-11 or Subway and buy it there.

I wouldn't say it's racist... but its classist. Basically an exception was made for big businesses at the expense of small business. Obviously bodegas have to hire better lobyist or make more campaign contributions.


not really. All fast food chains are subject to the law. Convenience stores like 7-11 are not.
 
2013-01-23 11:17:55 AM  

Kibbler: Great example of how the world goes. Bloomberg does something dumb--try to take junk away from junkheads who want junk--and makes it dumber--immediately writes in all kinds of exemptions for powerful corporations.

NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.

And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."

Perfect.


Pretty much. And in attempting to appear "moderate" - moderacy and centrism being the greatest of all possible virtues - everyone just nods their heads and goes "durr NAACP bad!" instead of actually looking into it and realizing that they're right.
 
2013-01-23 11:18:37 AM  
They have a point. The law very possibly is no longer legal because of the exemptions Bloomberg put in
 
2013-01-23 11:18:54 AM  
Plus I don't see how taking away big sodas is going to do anything to decrease the amount of disgusting fatbodies in NYC.
 
2013-01-23 11:19:13 AM  

serpent_sky: I'm surprised restaurants and theatres weren't up in arms over that. The profit margin on those large sodas is HUGE compared to the smaller ones (which is why there is such a push for the upsell.)  Any size costs them pennies, but they can charge exponentially more for the larger sizes. It's almost all pure profit. I seriously thought the businesses would win out in this one and the sodas would stay.

As for whether or not its racist, I'd think the NAACP should be more concerned about other things, like the NYC search and frisk program, which was allowed to resume yesterday.


I don't understand why movie theaters are included. A movie theater is not a place you're swinging by to grab a 32 oz of Mountain Dew... unless you want to pay a $14 surcharge to buy your soda for $4.50
 
2013-01-23 11:19:37 AM  

Kibbler: Great example of how the world goes. Bloomberg does something dumb--try to take junk away from junkheads who want junk--and makes it dumber--immediately writes in all kinds of exemptions for powerful corporations.

NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.

And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."

Perfect.


To be fair, USAians are bizarrely ignorant when it comes to class issues, and basically have market class issues as racial issues in order to avoid being labeled communists or worse.
 
2013-01-23 11:20:08 AM  

give me doughnuts: Kibbler: Great example of how the world goes. Bloomberg does something dumb--try to take junk away from junkheads who want junk--and makes it dumber--immediately writes in all kinds of exemptions for powerful corporations.

NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.

And then it's "NAACP: Dumb enough to say that bans on Super Big Gulps are racist."

Perfect.

Because no small independent businesses are ever owned by Caucasians.


As I stated upthread, in NYC, small independent businesses that will be affected by the new law are disproportionately owned by minorities.
 
2013-01-23 11:20:18 AM  
It's pretty telling when an extremely small change has them redlining.
 
2013-01-23 11:21:03 AM  

Kibbler: NAACP points out (rightly) that this means that small, independent, minority-owned businesses have the law applied to them, while the Mega Lo Mart next door is unaffected.


it's a bogus comparison. If the small, independent, minority-owned business is in the same business as Mega Lo Mart, they are either both affected or neither is affected.
 
2013-01-23 11:23:09 AM  

skullkrusher: kbronsito: mahuika: GiantRex: CTRL-F "racist": 0 results found

They never call it "racist", subby. I agree that their claim is a bit of a stretch, though.

The article doesn't explain this well, but basically what they are saying is that grocery stores, chains that exist outside of NYC like 7-11 and certain convenience stores are exempt from this law, but bodegas and small business delis, which are disproportionately owned by minorities, are not. As a result, when someone walks into a deli and can't buy their drink they will then go next door to 7-11 or Subway and buy it there.

I wouldn't say it's racist... but its classist. Basically an exception was made for big businesses at the expense of small business. Obviously bodegas have to hire better lobyist or make more campaign contributions.

not really. All fast food chains are subject to the law. Convenience stores like 7-11 are not.


Why the exception for 7/11? Is the Big Gulp considered such a part of Americana that it had to be grandfathered in?
 
2013-01-23 11:28:11 AM  

skullkrusher: it's a bogus comparison. If the small, independent, minority-owned business is in the same business as Mega Lo Mart, they are either both affected or neither is affected.


well we need to look, not at the entirety of business, but at the scope of the law in question:

Does National Chain sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to National Chain? No.
Does Small Conveni sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to Small Conveni ? Yes.

That right there would be the issue. The race thing is an initial eye roller, but as noted up-thread racism is often american shorthand for classism - which is what this appears to be.
 
2013-01-23 11:30:55 AM  
When you buy soda you're paying for the packaging, Soda is extremely inexpensive to produce.
 
2013-01-23 11:31:51 AM  
Careful there, NAACP - if you fight too many stupid fights you may end up like PETA - having a great cause but everyone thinks you're a joke.
 
2013-01-23 11:32:32 AM  
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2013-01-23 11:32:47 AM  
Still no cure for Kool-Aid.
 
2013-01-23 11:33:56 AM  
NAACP opposes the ban? Look for Michelle Malkin, Charles Krauthammer, and Jonah Goldberg to reverse course and endorse it by the end of the day.
 
2013-01-23 11:36:38 AM  

Shostie:

To be fair, USAians are bizarrely ignorant when it comes to class issues, and basically have market class issues as racial issues in order to avoid being labeled communists or worse.


At first I was like jackiechan.jpegging this statement, the second time it made sense. Your mind is sharp, your diction needs work.
 
2013-01-23 11:40:21 AM  

cefm: Careful there, NAACP - if you fight too many stupid fights you may end up like PETA - having a great cause but everyone thinks you're a joke.


No, they are selling out probably for campaign donations from soda manufacturers. Its not false outrage, its bought and paid for outrage, totally different! :)
 
2013-01-23 11:44:47 AM  
Racist would be doing nothing about the epidemic of diabetes related heart disease in the african american population... the NAACP doesn't care about black people.

/take it from here, Kanye.
 
2013-01-23 11:45:41 AM  

kbronsito: Why the exception for 7/11? Is the Big Gulp considered such a part of Americana that it had to be grandfathered in?


Do you really have to ask?

// cui bene, mon frere
 
2013-01-23 11:48:36 AM  

Teiritzamna: skullkrusher: it's a bogus comparison. If the small, independent, minority-owned business is in the same business as Mega Lo Mart, they are either both affected or neither is affected.

well we need to look, not at the entirety of business, but at the scope of the law in question:

Does National Chain sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to National Chain? No.
Does Small Conveni sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to Small Conveni ? Yes No.

That right there would be the issue. The race thing is an initial eye roller, but as noted up-thread racism is often american shorthand for classism - which is what this appears to be.


that's the point. The law isn't based on whether you are a national chain or not

"Establishments that derive less than 50% of their revenue from prepared foods - making them by law regulated by the state - are exempt, a group that includes 7-Elevens, famous for the Big Gulp"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/nyc-board-health-approves -ban-sale-sugary-drinks-16-ounces-article-1.1158408#ixzz2IokqZskY
 
2013-01-23 11:56:02 AM  
assets.diylol.com
 
2013-01-23 12:10:47 PM  
Sippin on gin and small juice, with my mind on calories and calories on my mind?
 
2013-01-23 12:16:19 PM  
Is there anything redeeming about this piece of shiat Bloomberg, anything?
 
2013-01-23 12:18:42 PM  

firefly212: Racist would be doing nothing about the epidemic of diabetes related heart disease in the african american population... the NAACP doesn't care about black people.

/take it from here, Kanye.


well put
 
2013-01-23 12:21:19 PM  

cmb53208: Is there anything redeeming about this piece of shiat Bloomberg, anything?


Not that you'd notice.  He's a real ivory tower, "I know what's good for you, and will force my will on you", elitist arsehole.
 
2013-01-23 12:23:26 PM  
I've never heard about the exceptions: supermarkets and many convenience stores - including 7-Eleven, home of the Big Gulp - that aren't subject to city health regulations.

How are *some* convenience stores not subject to city health regulations if they serve prepared soda/food?

If chains are excepted while smaller businesses/sole proprietorships aren't, it's incredibly unfair and will doom all but the best-located high-traffic stores.

In short, if you're competing with a store that can serve large sodas and you can't, you're screwed. If you're going to BAN large sodas, BAN large sodas, don't create an uneven playing field.
 
2013-01-23 12:24:36 PM  

Shostie: vernonFL: I_C_Weener: White people drink Pepsi like this. Black people drink Pepsi like that.

Black people drink grape soda.

That's not true.

Sometimes they drink orange soda.


media.247sports.com
 
2013-01-23 12:25:19 PM  

skullkrusher: Teiritzamna: skullkrusher: it's a bogus comparison. If the small, independent, minority-owned business is in the same business as Mega Lo Mart, they are either both affected or neither is affected.

well we need to look, not at the entirety of business, but at the scope of the law in question:

Does National Chain sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to National Chain? No.
Does Small Conveni sell large sodas? Yes.
Does the law apply to Small Conveni ? Yes No.

That right there would be the issue. The race thing is an initial eye roller, but as noted up-thread racism is often american shorthand for classism - which is what this appears to be.

that's the point. The law isn't based on whether you are a national chain or not

"Establishments that derive less than 50% of their revenue from prepared foods - making them by law regulated by the state - are exempt, a group that includes 7-Elevens, famous for the Big Gulp"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/nyc-board-health-approves -ban-sale-sugary-drinks-16-ounces-article-1.1158408#ixzz2IokqZskY


That answers a lot of my questions.
 
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