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(The Consumerist)   Step 1: Get arrested for dancing the Charleston on the subway. Step 2: Sue. Step 3: Profit to the tune of $75,000. Yes, we finally figured out Step 2   (consumerist.com ) divider line
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2013-01-23 10:28:57 AM  
I thought step 3 was the step in question and step 4 was profit.

/or have I been doing it wrong?
 
2013-01-23 10:31:46 AM  
I'm going to need to see some footage of this alleged "charleston".

Also, I love the CYA comment from NYPD: "Although the city is paying $75,000 to settle the suit, it says that settlement should not be taken as any wrongdoing on the part of the police."

24 hours in a holding cell? Sure.
 
2013-01-23 10:33:20 AM  
Frivolous suits piss me off, but abusive cops piss me off even more... so go dancing couple! dance to your hearts content!
 
2013-01-23 10:33:30 AM  
NYPD would have shot them for dancing while holding a Big Gulp.
 
2013-01-23 10:42:18 AM  
"Although the city is paying $75,000 to settle the suit, it says that settlement should not be taken as any wrongdoing on the part of the police."

No, I did not get that impression at all. That was just a... a... gift?
 
2013-01-23 10:44:47 AM  
Now I have something to add to my itinerary the next time I visit New York City. Forget casinos, this is a sure thing. And a hell of a lot more exciting.
 
2013-01-23 10:47:58 AM  
They got busted for bopping!
 
2013-01-23 10:49:17 AM  
The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap. In my more carefree/boozed filled youth I've done a lot of things that should have landed me in jail for a day or two but the worst I ever got was a ride home in a cruiser and some much needed advice that maybe I should slow it down a bit. Clearly American police are not as forgiving.
 
2013-01-23 10:50:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Now I have something to add to my itinerary the next time I visit New York City. Forget casinos, this is a sure thing. And a hell of a lot more exciting.


Yeah, but you'd have to learn to do the Charleston. Who has that kind of time?
 
2013-01-23 10:54:12 AM  

Dinobot: Frivolous suits piss me off, but abusive cops piss me off even more... so go dancing couple! dance to your hearts content!


If their policy is to never admit fault for what would be an assault over a dislike of dancing (free expression, pursuit of happiness)if we did the same, I don't feel it's at all frivolous.
 
2013-01-23 11:00:43 AM  

RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.


Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.
 
2013-01-23 11:03:47 AM  
The Charleston? Freaks.

/Do the Frug
 
2013-01-23 11:06:04 AM  

liam76: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.

Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.


No, you are totally right it makes complete sense to dance around a subway platform it is clearly the best and safest possible venue to go dancing.
 
2013-01-23 11:07:07 AM  

RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap. In my more carefree/boozed filled youth I've done a lot of things that should have landed me in jail for a day or two but the worst I ever got was a ride home in a cruiser and some much needed advice that maybe I should slow it down a bit. Clearly American police are not as forgiving.


A couple dancing in a public place is trolling in your world?
 
2013-01-23 11:09:16 AM  

generallyso: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap. In my more carefree/boozed filled youth I've done a lot of things that should have landed me in jail for a day or two but the worst I ever got was a ride home in a cruiser and some much needed advice that maybe I should slow it down a bit. Clearly American police are not as forgiving.

A couple dancing in a public place is trolling in your world?


freedom = terrorism. I think that's the angle he was going for.
 
2013-01-23 11:13:28 AM  

RTOGUY: liam76: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.

Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.

No, you are totally right it makes complete sense to dance around a subway platform it is clearly the best and safest possible venue to go dancing.


If anyone would know a complete dick, it's a complete dick. Dick.
 
2013-01-23 11:17:23 AM  
What kills me is that the cops will go out of their way to give these people a hard time, but there have been many times when I see people sprawled out on subway seats, homeless people harassing commuters, and kids running around like animals on the platforms, endangering themselves and other people. Do the cops ever try to break that up? No. Why? Because it's more work than they want to deal with. A clean, clearly well-to-do couple though doing something like dancing? Let's bust 'em!

Cops are never around when you see kids dancing for money on the actual subway, and those kids are going to accidentally give someone a concussion some day.
 
2013-01-23 11:18:10 AM  

RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.


Dicks (also jackasses and assholes) are the canaries in the coalmine of our liberty. Nobody likes them, but when they start getting arrested for merely being dicks it should serve as a serious heads up to the rest of us about the way things are going.

Much as I despise him, it makes me a bit warm and fuzzy that Fred Phelps is still alive and free too.
 
2013-01-23 11:21:34 AM  
Cops arresting a couple for dancing on a subway platform; did you expect anything less from a city run by Mike Bloomberg?
 
2013-01-23 11:25:19 AM  
This is what happens when the Police know you aren't armed. Now get back on the side of the Police you no-dancing-in-public-gun-grabbing freedom Nazis.
 
2013-01-23 11:25:37 AM  

liam76: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.

Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.


She weren't arresting her for not having a government issued ID. That's not an offense, and they can't arrest someone for that. They were just going handcuff her, do a terry search, take her down to the station, do a strip search, and hold her in the jail for a few days until they were absolutely sure that the name that she gave them was correct. You know, routine stuff, but certainly not an arrest.

They were actually arrested for resisting arrest.
 
2013-01-23 11:26:58 AM  
And if they fell off the platform and were injured, they'd be sueing because there wasn't any warnings about the dangers of dancing on the platform.

I ♡ NY
 
2013-01-23 11:28:43 AM  
A modern, Orthodox, Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding, meets with their rabbi for counseling.

The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave.

The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together."

"Absolutely not," says the rabbi. "It's immodest. Men and women always dance separately."

''So after the ceremony I can't even dance with my own wife?"

"No," answered the rabbi. "It's forbidden."

"Well, okay," says the man, "what about sex? Can we finally have sex?"

"Of course!" replies the rabbi. "Sex is a mitzvah, a good thing within marriage, to have children!"

"What about different positions?" asks the man.

"No problem," says the rabbi. "It's a mitzvah!"

"Woman on top?" the man asks.

"Sure," says the rabbi. "Go for it! It's a mitzvah!"

"Doggy style?"

"Sure! Another mitzvah!"

"On the kitchen table?"

"Yes, yes! A mitzvah!"

"Can we do it on rubber sheets with a bottle of hot oil, a couple of vibrators, a leather harness, a bucket of honey and a porno video?"

"You may indeed. It's all a mitzvah!"

"Can we do it standing up?"

"No, absolutely not!" says the rabbi.

"Why not?" asks the man.

"It could lead to dancing!"
 
2013-01-23 11:32:43 AM  
"And I responded we're dancing, and they told us it was illegal to dance on the platform," the woman claims."

My mom had a similar weird rule 'There is no singing at the diner table'. I never knew that it was a world wide rule.
 
2013-01-23 11:34:47 AM  
Are there subway platforms I don't know about that have such great acoustics that people just can't help dancing? Also maybe I'm just using the wrong subways but the ones I've used have contained fast moving trains that I'd rather not end up in front of because a couple decided they were just so excited to be on a subway they just had to dance and bumped into me knocking me in front of it. I'd definitely consider dancing near a train to be worthy of consideration as a safety hazard. There is also a bit more to the story this is from a different article that is nearly word for word what The Consumerist posted but decided to drop (shocker!) from their article.

"At the time that Stern and Hess were arrested, police presented a different story of what happened. Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said last year that the couple was observed "dancing and jumping wildly on the platform" and that they "posed a danger to themselves and others on the platform."
Police also accused Stern of saying "I don't have to listen to black cops. Call the real cops to come."
Browne said the officers determined the couple was drinking and posed a public safety risk. "

Selective reporting from the Consumerist? Never!
 
2013-01-23 11:35:40 AM  
Sounds to me like everyone is an asshole in TFA.
 
2013-01-23 11:36:08 AM  
If I ever get a settlement from the police, it will not be allowed to contain a non-admission of guilt, even if I get $1 from it.
 
2013-01-23 11:36:28 AM  
Won't you Charleston with me?
Won't you Charleston with me?
And while the subway rolls along beneath city streets
Let's both move our feet
Until the police beat
Us with their mallets and sticks
Throw us in jail 'cause they're dicks
Think what the lawsuit payoff will be
If you will Charleston on the subway with me!
 
2013-01-23 11:37:53 AM  

RTOGUY: Are there subway platforms I don't know about that have such great acoustics that people just can't help dancing? Also maybe I'm just using the wrong subways but the ones I've used have contained fast moving trains that I'd rather not end up in front of because a couple decided they were just so excited to be on a subway they just had to dance and bumped into me knocking me in front of it. I'd definitely consider dancing near a train to be worthy of consideration as a safety hazard. There is also a bit more to the story this is from a different article that is nearly word for word what The Consumerist posted but decided to drop (shocker!) from their article.

"At the time that Stern and Hess were arrested, police presented a different story of what happened. Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said last year that the couple was observed "dancing and jumping wildly on the platform" and that they "posed a danger to themselves and others on the platform."
Police also accused Stern of saying "I don't have to listen to black cops. Call the real cops to come."
Browne said the officers determined the couple was drinking and posed a public safety risk. "

Selective reporting from the Consumerist? Never!


Cops lie all the time.

Basically this went before and judge and it was dropped. The cops were almost assuredly full of shiat.
 
2013-01-23 11:41:04 AM  

AgentBang: What kills me is that the cops will go out of their way to give these people a hard time, but there have been many times when I see people sprawled out on subway seats, homeless people harassing commuters, and kids running around like animals on the platforms, endangering themselves and other people. Do the cops ever try to break that up? No. Why? Because it's more work than they want to deal with. A clean, clearly well-to-do couple though doing something like dancing? Let's bust 'em!

Cops are never around when you see kids dancing for money on the actual subway, and those kids are going to accidentally give someone a concussion some day.


Dancing tourists have money and can be shaken down for a fine, they are also less likely to be violent.

A homeless guy has a good chance to resist with violence, and is poor.

The thug-like reputation of the NYPD and Mayor Bloomberg's behavior is why when some of my friends wanted to go to NYC for the weekend a few weeks ago, I passed.
 
2013-01-23 11:42:50 AM  
Could have been the Varsity Drag, or the New Raccoon.
 
2013-01-23 11:51:58 AM  

RTOGUY: officers determined the couple was drinking and posed a public safety risk. "


Sounds more like cops making things up to not look like the real assholes they were being.

Cops lie all the time every time, it's them versus you remember that.
 
2013-01-23 12:09:08 PM  

spentshells: Sounds more like cops making things up to not look like the real assholes they were being.


Well, it sounds like they were the biggest assholes at an asshole party, but it also sounds like they weren't the only assholes at the asshole party.
 
2013-01-23 12:18:24 PM  
When the police say "The couple was drinking"  I think they mean, "we are lieing".

Because if they were really drinking, they would have said, "We performed a field sobriety test", or "checked their blood alcohol level" and found they were over the legal limit.  Or at least, "We smelled alcohol on them and found bottles nearby"

Luckily, the police had to pay this time.  The only thing that matters to people in authority is losing that authority.  With a $75,000 fine, someone is going to be without authority.

And here's another question.  Where is the video tape of the police arresting them?  Hmmm.  Taking that tape is a violation of the first amendment.  They should put it on youtube.  Either they dont have it, or perhaps the police's point of view is the truth?
 
2013-01-23 12:31:17 PM  

seniorgato: When the police say "The couple was drinking"  I think they mean, "we are lieing".

Because if they were really drinking, they would have said, "We performed a field sobriety test", or "checked their blood alcohol level" and found they were over the legal limit.  Or at least, "We smelled alcohol on them and found bottles nearby"

Luckily, the police had to pay this time.  The only thing that matters to people in authority is losing that authority.  With a $75,000 fine, someone is going to be without authority.

And here's another question.  Where is the video tape of the police arresting them?  Hmmm.  Taking that tape is a violation of the first amendment.  They should put it on youtube.  Either they dont have it, or perhaps the police's point of view is the truth?


If the police POV was true, and provably so from camera footage, they wouldn't have settled.

They probably wiped the memory of the camera after they confiscated it, or at least before they gave it back. Of course, the camera also wouldn't have the actual dancing, if they only started recording during the arrest it would just show an NYPD officer arresting somebody, and getting irate that he was being recorded.
 
2013-01-23 12:47:32 PM  

AgentBang: What kills me is that the cops will go out of their way to give these people a hard time, but there have been many times when I see people sprawled out on subway seats, homeless people harassing commuters, and kids running around like animals on the platforms, endangering themselves and other people. Do the cops ever try to break that up? No. Why? Because it's more work than they want to deal with. A clean, clearly well-to-do couple though doing something like dancing? Let's bust 'em!

Cops are never around when you see kids dancing for money on the actual subway, and those kids are going to accidentally give someone a concussion some day.


All of this.

How many citations do transit police issue for putting feet on seats during rush hour, when every inch of ass space is critical? And how many do they issue at 3AM when there's only two people per car and they're both half-asleep?
 
2013-01-23 01:07:24 PM  

RTOGUY: liam76: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.

Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.

No, you are totally right it makes complete sense to dance around a subway platform it is clearly the best and safest possible venue to go dancing.


It was the charelston. They weren't have ing a breakdance competition.
 
2013-01-23 01:32:01 PM  
Money is money. I can dig that.
But someday I'd like to see a story end where the plaintiff refused to settle until the other party DOES admit wrongdoing, and someone loses their job.
 
2013-01-23 02:50:47 PM  

liam76: RTOGUY: liam76: RTOGUY: The couple sound like they are dicks and probably out trolling for heavy-handed police and unfortunately there are still police that keep falling for the same old trap.

Yeah, what dicks. Dancing.

And not having ID, and trying to record your signifigant other being arrested for not having ID after being told they couldn't dance.

No, you are totally right it makes complete sense to dance around a subway platform it is clearly the best and safest possible venue to go dancing.

It was the charelston. They weren't have ing a breakdance competition.


"The Charleston" can actually be a fairly frenetic dance. Even assuming they weren't spinning and didn't try any dips, spins, lifts or flips it's the sort of thing that can take up a lot of space. I also don't think it's totally unfair to assume that alcohol may have been involved, even if only because you don't see a lot of sober people dancing in public. Dance semantics aside, I did read some other articles on this and none of them paint the people arrested as anything but a bit unruly.

At the end of the day, I think it's a pretty safe assumption that the cops involved in the arrest weren't able to put forth a single compelling argument for their actions. Which leads to:

The Larch: spentshells: Sounds more like cops making things up to not look like the real assholes they were being.

Well, it sounds like they were the biggest assholes at an asshole party, but it also sounds like they weren't the only assholes at the asshole party.


They were the only party burdened with the responsibility of NOT being assholes and failed to shoulder that burden. Thus, payment ensued.
 
2013-01-23 02:51:25 PM  
One night at a club I discovered that the Charleston works very well as a shuffle dance, if you can't shuffle. (And all the younger people think someone just brought a great new dance into the club.)
 
2013-01-23 03:00:40 PM  
This payoff is why all police departments have a slush fund to pay off accidents due to the police being turd blossoms.

Never sign a non-disclosure agreement to get your payoff. That way you can make lots of happy fun time blabbing about all the money you got from some dickhead glorified subway cop.
Also you will now be a target and your name put in the special file for either to ignore you or to molest lots more. Causing a repeat of payoff and no punishment to the officer again.

/Tip: If you go to court: Beware of the officers lawyers claiming "need to delay this case to gather more evidence to defend the officer". After a couple of years of multiple delays, they will then ask for dismissal.
//Obstruction of justice 101.
 
2013-01-23 03:47:07 PM  

RTOGUY: Are there subway platforms I don't know about that have such great acoustics that people just can't help dancing? Also maybe I'm just using the wrong subways but the ones I've used have contained fast moving trains that I'd rather not end up in front of because a couple decided they were just so excited to be on a subway they just had to dance and bumped into me knocking me in front of it. I'd definitely consider dancing near a train to be worthy of consideration as a safety hazard. There is also a bit more to the story this is from a different article that is nearly word for word what The Consumerist posted but decided to drop (shocker!) from their article.

"At the time that Stern and Hess were arrested, police presented a different story of what happened. Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said last year that the couple was observed "dancing and jumping wildly on the platform" and that they "posed a danger to themselves and others on the platform."
Police also accused Stern of saying "I don't have to listen to black cops. Call the real cops to come."
Browne said the officers determined the couple was drinking and posed a public safety risk. "

Selective reporting from the Consumerist? Never!


If you keep trying, someone is bound to agree with you, right?
 
2013-01-23 03:50:52 PM  
Men Without Hats approved.
 
2013-01-23 05:58:27 PM  

kobrakai: If you keep trying, someone is bound to agree with you, right?


Maybe I'm not as gangsta as most farkers but I've never had a problem with the police.
 
2013-01-24 11:56:40 AM  
So, my underwear are safe, for tonight at least?
 
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