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2013-01-23 09:42:10 AM
At least they listened.
 
2013-01-23 10:01:36 AM
Still not "entitlement" no matter how often you repeat that word.

When Pavlov's bell tolls, it tolls for you subby.
 
2013-01-23 10:13:40 AM

BunkyBrewman: Still not "entitlement" no matter how often you repeat that word.

When Pavlov's bell tolls, it tolls for you subby.


Huh? "Entitlement" is just a term to describe public benefits that are required by law.  How is that inaccurate? I don't think it was meant in either a negative or positive light.
 
2013-01-23 10:26:47 AM

LRA61380: "Entitlement" is just a term to describe public benefits that are required by law.  How is that inaccurate?


At least we should add that they are already paid for by the public, and therefore the public is entitled to the benefits of those contributions. Simply saying "public benefits required" doesn't address the full scope, IMHO.
 
2013-01-23 10:35:46 AM
listen to romney's "47 percent" thing again. listen to the vitriol dripping from his fangs as he says the word "entitled." it's chilling. and it represents the contempt that the GOP feels for the 99 percent.
 
2013-01-23 10:41:55 AM
It's like the bat signal except it summons Sarah Palin.
 
2013-01-23 10:42:14 AM
You can always tell how angry Megyn Kelly still is about the election by how far she tilts her head to one side and how many times she sneers when reporting on Obama.
 
2013-01-23 10:43:22 AM

FlashHarry: listen to romney's "47 percent" thing again. listen to the vitriol dripping from his fangs as he says the word "entitled." it's chilling. and it represents the contempt that the GOP feels for the 99 percent.


I liked Romney's smirk after he walked off stage after slamming Obama on Benghazi.
 
2013-01-23 10:45:14 AM
Keep violating that poultry, wingnuts, and gird your loins to skew polls in 2014.
 
2013-01-23 10:46:23 AM
B. Hussein Obama wants nothing more than to steal the money from [Insert overly protected class of people here] and give it to [Insert easy minority stereotype here].
 
2013-01-23 10:47:44 AM

WTF Indeed: B. Hussein Obama wants nothing more than to steal the money from [Insert overly protected class of people here] and give it to [Insert easy minority stereotype here].


2.bp.blogspot.com

Oh, won't someone please think of the wealthiest aristocracy in history?!
 
2013-01-23 10:49:37 AM
"Let us ask again: Have we reached the goal of our vision of that fourth day of March 1933? Have we found our happy valley?

I see a great nation, upon a great continent, blessed with a great wealth of natural resources. Its hundred and thirty million people are at peace among themselves; they are making their country a good neighbor among the nations. I see a United States which can demonstrate that, under democratic methods of government, national wealth can be translated into a spreading volume of human comforts hitherto unknown, and the lowest standard of living can be raised far above the level of mere subsistence.

But here is the challenge to our democracy: In this nation I see tens of millions of its citizens-a substantial part of its whole population-who at this very moment are denied the greater part of what the very lowest standards of today call the necessities of life.

I see millions of families trying to live on incomes so meager that the pall of family disaster hangs over them day by day.

I see millions whose daily lives in city and on farm continue under conditions labeled indecent by a so-called polite society half a century ago.

I see millions denied education, recreation, and the opportunity to better their lot and the lot of their children.

I see millions lacking the means to buy the products of farm and factory and by their poverty denying work and productiveness to many other millions.

I see one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished.

But it is not in despair that I paint you that picture. I paint it for you in hope-because the nation, seeing and understanding the injustice in it, proposes to paint it out. We are determined to make every American citizen the subject of his country's interest and concern; and we will never regard any faithful law-abiding group within our borders as superfluous. The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.

If I know aught of the spirit and purpose of our Nation, we will not listen to comfort, opportunism, and timidity. We will carry on.

Overwhelmingly, we of the Republic are men and women of good will; men and women who have more than warm hearts of dedication; men and women who have cool heads and willing hands of practical purpose as well. They will insist that every agency of popular government use effective instruments to carry out their will.

Government is competent when all who compose it work as trustees for the whole people. It can make constant progress when it keeps abreast of all the facts. It can obtain justified support and legitimate criticism when the people receive true information of all that government does.

If I know aught of the will of our people, they will demand that these conditions of effective government shall be created and maintained. They will demand a nation uncorrupted by cancers of injustice and, therefore, strong among the nations in its example of the will to peace. "
 
2013-01-23 10:49:39 AM
Seeing as entitlements are what got him elected, it's only fair that he pay homage to the concept before reassuming his seat at the throne and BHO pimp cup. Obamaphone.
 
2013-01-23 10:50:02 AM
I guess one conclusion you could draw from this is the party that represents the right has never been as openly contemptuous of the social safety net as they are right now.
 
2013-01-23 10:53:50 AM
Republican signal:

www.rumproast.com

Democrat signal:

www.dudelol.com
 
2013-01-23 11:01:40 AM
www.beppegrillo.it
 
2013-01-23 11:05:33 AM

Granny_Panties: Republican signal:

[www.rumproast.com image 480x210]

Democrat signal:

[www.dudelol.com image 600x931]


The Libertarian Party cut our signal from the budget and we're all very surprised and saddened to see that no one has created a private one for us :(
 
2013-01-23 11:06:05 AM

Mercutio74: I guess one conclusion you could draw from this is the party that represents the right has never been as openly contemptuous of the social safety net as they are right now.


Another would be that the losers of the world are even more losery than ever before, they want to force the government to make the winners make up the difference, and they've found their man.
 
2013-01-23 11:09:02 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Mercutio74: I guess one conclusion you could draw from this is the party that represents the right has never been as openly contemptuous of the social safety net as they are right now.

Another would be that the losers of the world are even more losery than ever before, they want to force the government to make the winners make up the difference, and they've found their man.


You mean GOP has found their man in Mitch McConnell to make up for all the loses they took in the last election?
 
2013-01-23 11:19:08 AM

LRA61380: BunkyBrewman: Still not "entitlement" no matter how often you repeat that word.

When Pavlov's bell tolls, it tolls for you subby.

Huh? "Entitlement" is just a term to describe public benefits that are required by law.  How is that inaccurate? I don't think it was meant in either a negative or positive light.


Correction, the term, in practice and theory, is "public service", and individual enterprises are often known as "programs" (this is international, you know). The term "entitlement", although, I believe occasionally used in actual laws and programs, has been co-opted to be a negative term applied to government and public sector enterprises that are viewed as unnecessary spending by the labeler. The reason this is effective in the modern and particularly American political dialogue is because of cultural association between the term "entitlement" and the notion of "a false sense of entitlement". "Rights" and "Services" are good and positive terms, "Programs" are fairly neutral, "Spending" or "Expenditure" and "Entitlement" are negative. Language is a huge part of the political game, and it evolves and changes all the time. "2nd Amendment Rights" sounds better to people than "Gun Rights", and the recent attempt to rebrand "Gun Control" as "Gun Safety" is a long a similar line.
 
2013-01-23 11:19:43 AM
That's it. No other president has ever mentioned Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid in an Inaugural Address.

That might have something to do with the fact that before Dubya, there wasn't really a huge push to completely dismantle those programs.
 
2013-01-23 11:20:01 AM

mahuika: Granny_Panties: Republican signal:

[www.rumproast.com image 480x210]

Democrat signal:

[www.dudelol.com image 600x931]

The Libertarian Party cut our signal from the budget and we're all very surprised and saddened to see that no one has created a private one for us :(


The All-Powerful Atheismo just posted the Libertarian Party's signal above. You are all set.
 
2013-01-23 12:13:31 PM
This is true if you ignore this.
 
2013-01-23 12:17:37 PM

BunkyBrewman: Still not "entitlement" no matter how often you repeat that word.

When Pavlov's bell tolls, it tolls for you subby.


Medicare and Medicaid are the ones mentioned in TFA, both of those are entitlement programs.

n. A kind of government program that provides individuals with personal financial benefits (or sometimes special government-provided goods or services) to which an indefinite number of potential beneficiaries have a legal right whenever they meet eligibility conditions that are specified by the standing law that authorizes the program.

It is an actual phrase with an actual meaning that describes both programs accurately, whether you feel the phrase has a negative connotation or not it's being used entirely correctly. If a program provides individual benefits based on a defined set of eligibility conditions rather than some input from the person receiving the benefits, it's an entitlement.

Social Security, for instance, would be something which isn't an entitlement (your benefits are based on you paying in, not solely meeting a set of eligibility criteria) but is sometimes mistakenly called such.

//Kind of like how some people call everything socialist: there are still actual socialist things that it's not incorrect to use the word about.
 
2013-01-23 12:18:04 PM

DeaH: This is true if you ignore this.


Where does he mention entitlements or social insurance programs in there? FDR talks about jobs, poverty, even public works projects --- but that's not the same as talking about entitlements.
 
2013-01-23 12:23:19 PM
How dare that Obama act like he doesn't need Republican approval anymore?!?! Doesn't he care about getting re-re-elected in 2016?
 
2013-01-23 12:25:07 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Another would be that the losers of the world are even more losery than ever before, they want to force the government to make the winners make up the difference, and they've found their man.


I think that would be a difficult case to make considering what the GOP has been doing with taxes since Clinton (when he caved and give into their reduction of the capital gains) as well as the global economic implosion which was cause predominately by the wealthiest of the wealthy using their influence to sell shiatty debt to unsuspecting clients.

The big difference in the last few years is that the middle class is slowly waking up to the fact that class warfare is not only real, it's been going on for decades and has been waged predominantly by the very rich.
 
2013-01-23 12:29:33 PM

Politicandy: DeaH: This is true if you ignore this.

Where does he mention entitlements or social insurance programs in there? FDR talks about jobs, poverty, even public works projects --- but that's not the same as talking about entitlements.


How is a public works program not an entitlement?
 
2013-01-23 12:37:24 PM

DeaH: Politicandy: DeaH: This is true if you ignore this.

Where does he mention entitlements or social insurance programs in there? FDR talks about jobs, poverty, even public works projects --- but that's not the same as talking about entitlements.

How is a public works program not an entitlement?


Public works projects are just improvements to infrastructure. Would you say road construction crews are receiving "entitlements"?
 
2013-01-23 12:39:18 PM

DeaH: How is a public works program not an entitlement?


Public works, as far as I know, aren't legally mandated by law to be funded by the gov't. If the gov't so chose, they could reduce public works spending to zero. It would be a colossally bad idea, no doubt, but I don't think it's something they have to fund.
 
2013-01-23 12:58:42 PM

Mercutio74: The big difference in the last few years is that the middle class is slowly waking up to the fact that class warfare is not only real, it's been going on for decades and has been waged predominantly by the very rich.


Hear, hear!
 
2013-01-23 01:00:10 PM

DeaH: How is a public works program not an entitlement?


All the men in the TVA earned their paychecks.
 
2013-01-23 01:10:17 PM

HAMMERTOE: Mercutio74: The big difference in the last few years is that the middle class is slowly waking up to the fact that class warfare is not only real, it's been going on for decades and has been waged predominantly by the very rich.

Hear, hear!


So, the wealthy not giving you enough is class warfare?

Get off the farking dole, you losers. Pay your own farking way instead of whining constantly that others have it better than you.
 
2013-01-23 01:13:51 PM

Mercutio74: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Another would be that the losers of the world are even more losery than ever before, they want to force the government to make the winners make up the difference, and they've found their man.

I think that would be a difficult case to make considering what the GOP has been doing with taxes since Clinton (when he caved and give into their reduction of the capital gains) as well as the global economic implosion which was cause predominately by the wealthiest of the wealthy using their influence to sell shiatty debt to unsuspecting clients.

I'm not wealthy, but it's not their fault that buyers didn't do their homework.

The big difference in the last few years is that the middle class is slowly waking up to the fact that class warfare is not only real, it's been going on for decades and has been waged predominantly by the very rich.


I agree. The answer to settling the score is not employing the government; it's banding together with other middle class people and refusing to work or buy goods until certain conditions are met. Failing that, the middle class gets what they deserve.
 
2013-01-23 01:24:10 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: So, the wealthy not giving you enough is class warfare?

Get off the farking dole, you losers. Pay your own farking way instead of whining constantly that others have it better than you.


No, the wealthy using their wealth to damage the global economy (that's where I make my money, btw... the economy... by performing a task in exchange for money) is class warfare. For decades, there's been a mentality among rich corporations and their owners to make as much money as possible and disregard the scorched earth they left behind.
 
2013-01-23 01:27:19 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: I agree. The answer to settling the score is not employing the government; it's banding together with other middle class people and refusing to work or buy goods until certain conditions are met. Failing that, the middle class gets what they deserve.


And how many months do you think a typical middle class family could go Galt before they start losing the trappings of their middle class lives? How long before getting those trappings back becomes extremely unlikely? I guarantee you that GE can go a lot longer not selling toasters than the typical family could go not having a source of income. And places like Goldman Sachs could go longer than that since all they really do is push money around anyhnow.
 
2013-01-23 01:41:47 PM

HAMMERTOE: DeaH: How is a public works program not an entitlement?

All the men in the TVA earned their paychecks.


And I earn social security and medicare by having my wages - that I work for - put aside to pay for those programs.
 
2013-01-23 03:14:17 PM

DeaH: And I earn social security and medicare by having my wages - that I work for - put aside to pay for those programs.


No, you don't.

SS and Medicare aren't savings accounts - they're taxes to pay back money already spent on current SS & Medicare recipients. What you'll get will directly come from the paychecks of the next generation, and so on.

If you're depending on those programs for your retirement and health care, you deserve every bit of poverty and untreated illness you end up with.

Please, take some practical advice and get your own health retirement plans. No matter how much the state tries to fulfill their promise, they simply can't. Centralized power and money attracts the most devious, corruptible people who's only motivation is to appropriate that money for their own ends.
 
2013-01-23 03:33:40 PM

LRA61380: BunkyBrewman: Still not "entitlement" no matter how often you repeat that word.

When Pavlov's bell tolls, it tolls for you subby.

Huh? "Entitlement" is just a term to describe public benefits that are required by law.  How is that inaccurate? I don't think it was meant in either a negative or positive light.


It's the new "Welfare Queen". Don't play dumb.
 
2013-01-23 03:43:05 PM

Lernaeus: DeaH: And I earn social security and medicare by having my wages - that I work for - put aside to pay for those programs.

No, you don't.

SS and Medicare aren't savings accounts - they're taxes to pay back money already spent on current SS & Medicare recipients. What you'll get will directly come from the paychecks of the next generation, and so on.

If you're depending on those programs for your retirement and health care, you deserve every bit of poverty and untreated illness you end up with.

Please, take some practical advice and get your own health retirement plans. No matter how much the state tries to fulfill their promise, they simply can't. Centralized power and money attracts the most devious, corruptible people who's only motivation is to appropriate that money for their own ends.


That ship done sailed, my friend. We're all working until we are dead, just as planned. Buckle up Labor. You have successfully been turned against yourself for 3 decades, and now your betters will be reaping the rewards until the ship starts to sink and they leave for Europe.
 
2013-01-23 09:02:47 PM

BeesNuts:

It's the new "Welfare Queen".


So I guess we should call the woman next to me at work who has food stamps because she can't afford food, gastric bypass surgery because she's too fat(also so she can find a new man to knock her up, increasing her benefit eligibility), drives a new convertible and changes smartphones every 2 months while complaining about how challenging working 40 hrs can be something other than "welfare queen"? Our country is crawling with people like this. Let's face it, prior to 1900 welfare queens/kings and their fellow libbies would have done 1 of 2 things:

1.Developed the sense of personal responsibility for outcomes that non-libbies still have today.

-or-

2.Gone extinct very quickly as they waited for someone else to provide for needs as simple and immediate as food and water.

Since they obviously haven't been bred out of our society, they must have went with #1.
 
2013-01-24 04:18:22 AM

Granny_Panties: Republican signal:

[www.rumproast.com image 480x210]

Democrat signal:

[www.dudelol.com image 600x931]


She summons part of me..
 
2013-01-24 04:20:35 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: So I guess we should call the woman next to me at work who has food stamps because she can't afford food, gastric bypass surgery because she's too fat(also so she can find a new man to knock her up, increasing her benefit eligibility), drives a new convertible and changes smartphones every 2 months while complaining about how challenging working 40 hrs can be something other than "welfare queen"? Our country is crawling with people like this.


I'm laughing so hard at you right now.
 
2013-01-24 08:20:22 AM

Alphax: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: So I guess we should call the woman next to me at work who has food stamps because she can't afford food, gastric bypass surgery because she's too fat(also so she can find a new man to knock her up, increasing her benefit eligibility), drives a new convertible and changes smartphones every 2 months while complaining about how challenging working 40 hrs can be something other than "welfare queen"? Our country is crawling with people like this.

I'm laughing so hard at you right now.


Glad I could help.
 
2013-01-24 08:58:21 AM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: So I guess we should call the woman next to me at work who has food stamps because she can't afford food, gastric bypass surgery because she's too fat(also so she can find a new man to knock her up, increasing her benefit eligibility), drives a new convertible and changes smartphones every 2 months while complaining about how challenging working 40 hrs can be something other than "welfare queen"?


OhYou.jpg

This is what Rush Limbaughs balls whisper to one another inside the jar of formaldehyde he keeps locked in his closet.

It's amazing. And I regret having but one +1 to give.
 
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