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(The Raw Story)   Ted Nugent may know a lot of things - how to play the hell out of a guitar, how to hunt with any type of weapon, how to swing from a vine wearing a loincloth - but he apparently does not understand the meaning of the word "treason"   (rawstory.com) divider line 469
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2013-01-23 11:53:27 AM

karnal: Welcome to the liberal mindset. Doesn't matter if you're a musician, author, sports figure or movie star or whatever....once you are tagged a 'conservative' anything you have ever done before sucks and you are an asshat.

/closed-minded reactionaries and bigots



I prefer that to the opposite, where it doesn't matter if you're a criminal, a failure or a self-loathing closet gay, once you're tagged as conservative anti-liberal, anything you've ever done before doesn't matter and you're hailed as a hero.

*see Sarah Palin, Oliver North, G. Gordon Liddy or Newt Gingrich
 
2013-01-23 11:55:01 AM

Farkage:
So you are okay with restricting freedom of the press to hand set printing presses?



Bwahahahaaaaa. What a leap of logic.
 
2013-01-23 11:55:38 AM

calm like a bomb: karnal: Welcome to the liberal mindset. Doesn't matter if you're a musician, author, sports figure or movie star or whatever....once you are tagged a 'conservative' anything you have ever done before sucks and you are an asshat.

/closed-minded reactionaries and bigots

Personally, I think Tom Selleck is a pretty decent actor, as were Charlton Heston and Dennis Hopper. Neal Peart is one of the best rock drummers ever. I read PJ O'Rourke whenever he publishes. Ted? Ted's just mediocre. So, I think you wished to discussed closed-mindedness.


I love Bruce Willis and am entertained by even shiatty Arnold Shwarzenneggar. And Neal Part is awesome. Not Keith Moon awesome, but no living being is or will be.
 
2013-01-23 11:55:43 AM

david_gaithersburg: I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?


LOL!.

I wish I could fit all this on a t-shirt.  It's absolutely precious.
 
2013-01-23 11:57:27 AM
shiatty Arnold Shwarzeneggar movies. I'm not judging him as a person.
 
2013-01-23 11:57:27 AM

david_gaithersburg:
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party.


Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the very definition of FARK Independent.TM
"Waahhh, I hate what Republicans are doing, so I'm going to switch my allegiance to the Republican Party!"
 
2013-01-23 11:57:59 AM

david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act.  Got it.

.
Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?

.
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?


So rather than taking up arms, as you said we should, you voted for a failed political candidate. Cowardice it is. I guess the Second Amendment was meant for better men than you.
 
2013-01-23 12:00:32 PM
Jake Havechek

karnal: Welcome to the liberal mindset. Doesn't matter if you're a musician, author, sports figure or movie star or whatever....once you are tagged a 'conservative' anything you have ever done before sucks and you are an asshat.

/closed-minded reactionaries and bigots

Say, let's talk about The Dixie Chicks, eh motherfarker?



The Dixie Chicks alienated most of their 'conservative' base when they started their Bush Hate speech...I don't recall anyone coming out and saying "oh yeah....and they can't sing either."
 
2013-01-23 12:02:20 PM

God's Hubris: /thinks F&F was the most ridiculous idea next to the Iraq War which costs thousands more lives, hundreds of billions of dollars more, but nary a peep from the Right.


I'm of two opinions on the Iraq war. Hussein reneged on the surrender agreement, and Bush got us involved in an ill-advised quagmire over what should have taken two men and one bullet.
 
2013-01-23 12:02:33 PM

gregory311: olddeegee: Headline is wrong. He could never play guitar. He can be flashy, but any kid in a Guitar Center for the first time can out play this ass.

Kids at Guitar Center play out your ass? Do they pay you for it?

/c'mon, admit it - that's funny


Funny enough that your follow up got a funny and a smart.

/Nice catch!
//Kudos on the Burn!
 
2013-01-23 12:03:09 PM
I'm not saying that anyone in this thread sounds jelly of Ted but the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 
2013-01-23 12:03:10 PM

Bloody William: And Neal Part is awesome.


I like that he considers himself a "Bleeding Heart Libertarian" these days...

"For me, [Rand's writing] was an affirmation that it's alright to totally believe in something and live for it and not compromise. It was a simple as that. On that 2112 album, again I was in my early 20s. I was a kid. Now I call myself a bleeding heart libertarian. Because I do believe in the principles of Libertarianism as an ideal - because I'm an idealist. Paul Theroux's definition of a cynic is a disappointed idealist. So as you go through past your 20s, your idealism is going to be disappointed many many times. And so, I've brought my view and also - I've just realized this - Libertarianism as I understood it was very good and pure and we're all going to be successful and generous to the less fortunate and it was, to me, not dark or cynical. But then I soon saw, of course, the way that it gets twisted by the flaws of humanity. And that's when I evolve now into ... a bleeding heart Libertarian. That'll do."
 
2013-01-23 12:03:38 PM

Bloody William: calm like a bomb: karnal: Welcome to the liberal mindset. Doesn't matter if you're a musician, author, sports figure or movie star or whatever....once you are tagged a 'conservative' anything you have ever done before sucks and you are an asshat.

/closed-minded reactionaries and bigots

Personally, I think Tom Selleck is a pretty decent actor, as were Charlton Heston and Dennis Hopper. Neal Peart is one of the best rock drummers ever. I read PJ O'Rourke whenever he publishes. Ted? Ted's just mediocre. So, I think you wished to discussed closed-mindedness.

I love Bruce Willis and am entertained by even shiatty Arnold Shwarzenneggar. And Neal Part is awesome. Not Keith Moon awesome, but no living being is or will be.


Arnie's politics, all things considered, are not that bad. Not that I'd vote for him or anything, but he seems to be a reasonable guy.
 
2013-01-23 12:04:42 PM
I think this mans only true contribution to the world is the guitar solo in Stranglehold, which is long enough that back in the day, a DJ could grab a cup of coffee, take a dump, or have a quickie with some chick in return for backstage passes for whatever concert was coming to town.

Just go away ted.
 
2013-01-23 12:04:59 PM

Lord_Baull: Farkage:
So you are okay with restricting freedom of the press to hand set printing presses?


Bwahahahaaaaa. What a leap of logic.


How exactly? We are either defining the Bill of Rights as only applicable to the technology at the time it was written or we aren't. Or does that logic only apply to the parts you decide you think it should?
 
2013-01-23 12:05:38 PM

david_gaithersburg: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

.
I do, and I'm sure you don't. It means in to be kept in working order.


THIS! It doesn't mean forcibly enact regulations stripping the populace of all means of defense more lethal than a rubberband gun and a super soaker.
 
2013-01-23 12:06:09 PM

david_gaithersburg: I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?


So you pissed away your vote and joined the "The Koch Brothers don't wanna pay taxes" party. I joined the greens a while back during Nader's run, and I can say with no reservation that was a waste. Maybe time will offer you some perspective.
 
2013-01-23 12:08:36 PM

Lord_Baull: So you are okay with restricting freedom of the press to hand set printing presses?


Bwahahahaaaaa. What a leap of logic.


Actually, not so much. If the common citizen's implementation of the Second Amendment is to be so severely limited in degree in proportion to the limits set upon the government's right to arm itself, the First Amendment contains no clause guaranteeing the common citizen's right to sharing information to be so equal in degree, in proportion to the government's ability to spread of "information". After all, the Second Amendment is the ONLY one referencing the "security of a free State".
 
2013-01-23 12:09:20 PM
Hey submitard,

I'm glad you are an expert on Treason. Where were you when this biatch was engaging in it?

i47.tinypic.com

Oh, when she did it, it was "free speech", right?
 
2013-01-23 12:09:57 PM
I've heard Ted Nugent called a lot of things in my time, but "rockabilly" is not one of them.
 
2013-01-23 12:10:19 PM

Farkage: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

Yes, it means "in its natural state". Look up the dictionary definitions from an 18th century dictionary and see for yourself how that phrase was used when the 2nd amendment was written.


Farkage, claim your prize.

i1197.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-23 12:10:55 PM

900RR: Hey submitard,

I'm glad you are an expert on Treason. Where were you when this biatch was engaging in it?

[i47.tinypic.com image 460x307]

Oh, when she did it, it was "free speech", right?


Let it go, man.  Let it go.
 
2013-01-23 12:13:12 PM

markb289: czei: "He added that Obama "hires, appoints and associates with communists,"

Nugent also doesn't know the definition of "communist".

Just one of the many words Ted doesn't know the meaning of. Like "Patriot" and "American".


The whole premise of him being a "communist" comes from a little list of his influences (which is mentioned in his book). It's riddled with communist, socialist, Anti-Israel, and racism. Take it and do with as you will. :)

Marilyn Katz: SDS, Socialist, CPUSA, CoC, Public Relations to Obama
Carl Davidson: SDS, Marxist Socialist, Professor, Small school workshop, leading activist in the Chicago break away Socialist/Communist, "New Party" founder of Progressives for Obama, DSA, Communist party split organization Committees of Correspondence CoC.
Mike Klonsky: SDS Weatherman, Maoist Communist, Small schools workshop, CoC
William Ayers: SDS Weatherman, Communist, UC Professor who writes curriculum for teaching teachers, Small schools workshop, CoC, Hugo Chavez honored him for his Socialist educational standards introduced to Venezuela.
Bernadine Dohrn: SDS Weatherman, Communist, Professor, Lawyer, CPUSA organization CoC
Mark Rudd: SDS Weatherman, Socialist, Professor, Progressives for Obama
Tom Hayden: SDS Weatherman, Communist, Professor, Advisory Board of Progressive Democrats of America, Initiated Progressives for Obama, CoC
Rev. Wright: Black Liberation Theology (Socialist) Racist Church, Obama's Pastor
Rev. James Meeks: Black Liberation, Racist, Spiritual counsel, adviser, and friend
Tony Rezko: Chicago mobster, business associate, friend
Frank Marshall Davis: CPUSA Communist from Chicago, four year mentor to teenage Obama in Hawaii, on FBI security arrest list from 1957 forward.
Raila Odinga: ODM, Kenya Communist, Obama campaigned for his election in Kenya
Richard Falk: IADL Communist, America hater, Professor and friend until his death
Edward Said: Jew hater, America hater, Obama Professor and friend until his death
Roberto Unger: Communist, Obama Professor, friend
Rashid Khalidi: Jew hater, PLO, University of Chicago Professor friend, Obama fundraiser
John Holdren: (CZAR), Co author, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, advocates totalitarian world order and mass sterilization of population. I kid you not.
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
Gregory Craig: ACLU, Specializes in representing Communists. His clients include Castro and the Nicaraguan Communist Sandinistas. Obama`s White House Council.
Carl Sustein: Progressive (Socialist) Professor, friend. Wants legal 'rights' for livestock, wildlife and pets represented by PETA and ACLU.
Jessica Marshall: Chicago activist, national coordinator Young Communists YCLUSA, friend
Terrie Albano: YCLUSA and editor of the Communist Party USA newspaper Peoples Weekly World was an early and ardent backer of Obama, CoC.
Valerie Bowman Jarrett: Married for 5 yrs to Vernon Jarrett CPUSA member now deceased. Jarrett is the great niece of prominent Democratic Party leftist Vernon Jordan. Personal friend of SDS Socialist Marilyn Katz, Senior advisor to President Barack Obama
Timuel Black: Socialist Party SPUSA, Democratic Socialists of America DSA, Committees of Correspondence CoC, personal adviser and friend.
Alice Palmer: 1991 Illinois State Senator, Soviet world traveler, Socialist/Communist admirer, Chicago journalist, friend and employer of Barack Obama. Hand picked Obama as her senate seat successor and organized his coming out fund raiser at her friends William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn's home
Patrick Gaspard: New Jersey chapter of the Socialist/Communist, "New Party" Activist in the New Party offshoot, and CPUSA endorsed Working Families Party. White House political director for President-elect Barak Obama
Barbara Ehrenreich: Democratic Socialists of America DSA, New Party NP, Progressives for Obama, Committees of Correspondence CoC.
Lou Pardo: Socialist, DSA, New Party, CoC, organizer with and friend of Obama 1990's
Quentin Young: YCLUSA Young Communist League, DSA, Obama's doctor for 20 years
Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf: Democratic Socialists of America DSA, Vice chairman of Chicago Committee to 'Defend the Bill of Rights' the CPUSA most successful creation, friend of Ayers and Dohrn, friend of Obama
Cornel West: DSA vice-chair, New Party NP, Progressives for Obama, Obama's Black advisory Council, Black Liberation Theology speaker, friend of Rev. Wright, friend of Obama
Danny Davis: Democratic Socialists of America DSA, friend, political ally, Davis and Obama joined New Party NP together and were candidates for NP, CoC
Van Jones: Black Nationalist, Black Liberation Theology, Communist party split organization Committees of Correspondence CoC,, (CZAR) to Obama.
Carol Browner: (Global Warming CZAR) Socialist, member Socialist International
Gerald Kellman: Socialist Activist, Obama's boss.
Michelle Robinson, Obama: At Princeton she was Board member of segregationist group Third World Center organization for 2 yrs.
 
2013-01-23 12:13:15 PM

FTDA: Farkage: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

Yes, it means "in its natural state". Look up the dictionary definitions from an 18th century dictionary and see for yourself how that phrase was used when the 2nd amendment was written.

Farkage, claim your prize.


Sorry to see the truth gets your panties all in a bunch.
 
2013-01-23 12:13:50 PM

Farkage: catchow: Farkage: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

Yes, it means "in its natural state". Look up the dictionary definitions from an 18th century dictionary and see for yourself how that phrase was used when the 2nd amendment was written.

I hardly ever post in Politics threads, and I'm probably just feeding the trolls, but...

I find it the height of ridiculousness that Teahadists and insurrectionists keep trotting out this lame trope when they fulminate about the "true" meaning of the 2nd Amendment ("LOL look it up in an 18th century dictionary libtardz!!!"). I mean, seriously, have YOU ever consulted an 18th century dictionary? Perhaps you should, and the first definitions you should consider looking up would be "gun," "firearm," "matchlock," and "musket". You might be surprised that the all-knowing Founding Fathers had no way of anticipating the leaps in weapons technology that we see today, more than TWO CENTURIES LATER. I mean, today's date and time was an even more remote a future to Jefferson and Adams as the Star Trek universe is to us. Shocking, I know. Oh, and while you're at it, look up the definition of "militia" while you're at it. Then consider consulting an actual history book or two, maybe even some of the writings of the actual Founding Fathers, to gain perspective on what was actually happening at that time and what people actually thought about it.

I know, a truly radical thought. One might even say, revolutionary.

In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy the richly deserved mockery that so richly, skewers, roasts and devours your derp.

/Dammit, now I'm hungry. Roast derp for lunch, anyone?

So you are okay with restricting freedom of the press to hand set printing presses?


Don't be obtuse. My point was the exact opposite of yours - that the Constitution was never meant to be static, that it's language was a reflection of it's time, and that it should be (and is) continually re-interpreted to reflect changes in knowledge, society and politics (by which I mean regulation and law, which evolve to reflect changes in knowledge & society). Constitutional literalism makes no more sense than biblical literalism.
 
2013-01-23 12:14:40 PM

thenewmissus: oldfarthenry: Methinks this Wacko will be Janet Reno-ed soonishly.

I hope not. The last thing this country needs is for Ted Nugent to become a sacrifice or martyr. The apocalypse would start (in the mind of the crazies).


Word. I want Nugent to channel the spirit of R. Budd Dwyer.
 
2013-01-23 12:18:57 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act.  Got it.

.
Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?

.
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?

So rather than taking up arms, as you said we should, you voted for a failed political candidate. Cowardice it is. I guess the Second Amendment was meant for better men than you.

.
That grass roots movement is the reason you are getting paid to post here. Suck it baby.
 
2013-01-23 12:19:13 PM

Alfonso the Great: That guy is arguably the worst thing to ever come out of Michigan.


FTFY. Also...

twimg0-a.akamaihd.net

For your consideration.
 
2013-01-23 12:19:56 PM

karnal: Welcome to the liberal mindset. Doesn't matter if you're a musician, author, sports figure or movie star or whatever....once you are tagged a 'conservative' anything you have ever done before sucks and you are an asshat.

/closed-minded reactionaries and bigots


I love it when retards try to tell me what's going on in my own mind so that they can "argue" against it.
 
2013-01-23 12:21:01 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

OMG, You mean you were serious about preserving and protecting the Constitution? I'm on the losing side! Look at all the Americans marching on Washington! Oh shiat, Obama totally screwed me with his lies ... help me. I was so wrong to believe the Left ....
 
2013-01-23 12:21:46 PM

People_are_Idiots: markb289: czei: "He added that Obama "hires, appoints and associates with communists,"

Nugent also doesn't know the definition of "communist".

Just one of the many words Ted doesn't know the meaning of. Like "Patriot" and "American".

The whole premise of him being a "communist" comes from a little list of his influences (which is mentioned in his book). It's riddled with communist, socialist, Anti-Israel, and racism. Take it and do with as you will. :)

Marilyn Katz: SDS, Socialist, CPUSA, CoC, Public Relations to Obama
Carl Davidson: SDS, Marxist Socialist, Professor, Small school workshop, leading activist in the Chicago break away Socialist/Communist, "New Party" founder of Progressives for Obama, DSA, Communist party split organization Committees of Correspondence CoC.
Mike Klonsky: SDS Weatherman, Maoist Communist, Small schools workshop, CoC
William Ayers: SDS Weatherman, Communist, UC Professor who writes curriculum for teaching teachers, Small schools workshop, CoC, Hugo Chavez honored him for his Socialist educational standards introduced to Venezuela.
Bernadine Dohrn: SDS Weatherman, Communist, Professor, Lawyer, CPUSA organization CoC
Mark Rudd: SDS Weatherman, Socialist, Professor, Progressives for Obama
Tom Hayden: SDS Weatherman, Communist, Professor, Advisory Board of Progressive Democrats of America, Initiated Progressives for Obama, CoC
Rev. Wright: Black Liberation Theology (Socialist) Racist Church, Obama's Pastor
Rev. James Meeks: Black Liberation, Racist, Spiritual counsel, adviser, and friend
Tony Rezko: Chicago mobster, business associate, friend
Frank Marshall Davis: CPUSA Communist from Chicago, four year mentor to teenage Obama in Hawaii, on FBI security arrest list from 1957 forward.
Raila Odinga: ODM, Kenya Communist, Obama campaigned for his election in Kenya
Richard Falk: IADL Communist, America hater, Professor and friend until his death
Edward Said: Jew hater, America hater, Obama Professor and friend until his death
Roberto Unger: ...


www.dirtandseeds.com
I am proud of you. Keep my legacy alive!
 
2013-01-23 12:21:58 PM

catchow: Farkage: catchow: Farkage: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

Yes, it means "in its natural state". Look up the dictionary definitions from an 18th century dictionary and see for yourself how that phrase was used when the 2nd amendment was written.

I hardly ever post in Politics threads, and I'm probably just feeding the trolls, but...

I find it the height of ridiculousness that Teahadists and insurrectionists keep trotting out this lame trope when they fulminate about the "true" meaning of the 2nd Amendment ("LOL look it up in an 18th century dictionary libtardz!!!"). I mean, seriously, have YOU ever consulted an 18th century dictionary? Perhaps you should, and the first definitions you should consider looking up would be "gun," "firearm," "matchlock," and "musket". You might be surprised that the all-knowing Founding Fathers had no way of anticipating the leaps in weapons technology that we see today, more than TWO CENTURIES LATER. I mean, today's date and time was an even more remote a future to Jefferson and Adams as the Star Trek universe is to us. Shocking, I know. Oh, and while you're at it, look up the definition of "militia" while you're at it. Then consider consulting an actual history book or two, maybe even some of the writings of the actual Founding Fathers, to gain perspective on what was actually happening at that time and what people actually thought about it.

I know, a truly radical thought. One might even say, revolutionary.

In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy the richly deserved mockery that so richly, skewers, roasts and devours your derp.

/Dammit, now I'm hungry. Roast derp for lunch, anyone?

So you are okay with restricting freedom of the press to hand set printing presses?

Don't be obtuse. My point was the exact opposite of yours - that the Constitution was never meant to be static, that it's language was a reflection of it's time, and that it should be (and is) continually re-interpreted to reflect changes in knowledge, society and politics (by which I mean regulation and law, which evolve to reflect changes in knowledge & society). Constitutional literalism makes no more sense than biblical literalism.


Yes, I'm sure that after committing treason, starting a revolution, and risking their lives for the sake of creating this country that the Founding Fathers fully intended their work to be undone by simply redefining a word or two. Because that just makes sense.
 
2013-01-23 12:22:42 PM

Vodka Zombie: 900RR: Hey submitard,

I'm glad you are an expert on Treason. Where were you when this biatch was engaging in it?

[i47.tinypic.com image 460x307]

Oh, when she did it, it was "free speech", right?

Let it go, man.  Let it go.


Exactly, that's my point. Treason isn't even a crime any more. If it were, she would still be in prison.

/Actually, that's not true. Jimmy Carter would have pardoned her.
 
2013-01-23 12:23:47 PM

david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act.  Got it.

.
Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?

.
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?


there is something I'd like to ask.
How can the Tea Party etc.. prattle on about 'no taxation without representation' which is a very fair point and then support a bunch of tax dodging dirtbags? you've gone full circle being lorded over by a new breed of little George IIIs who are over represented by their influence in government by basically buying it out (or trying to). What you've got now is 'over representation without taxation' by an elite few and the problem is pretty much endemic to the liberal democracies.
 
2013-01-23 12:24:41 PM

david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act.  Got it.

.
Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?

.
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?

So rather than taking up arms, as you said we should, you voted for a failed political candidate. Cowardice it is. I guess the Second Amendment was meant for better men than you.
.
That grass roots movement is the reason you are getting paid to post here. Suck it baby.


And you are posting because you are too cowardly to take the actions you say you support.
 
2013-01-23 12:26:12 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Thune: keylock71: Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?

I don't know.... Do you know what "Well-Regulated" means?

And this is where the ignorance is because you just demonstrated that YOU don't know what "Well-Regulated" means.

Back when the Constitution was written the phrase "well-regulated" meant "in good order" or "well running".

They use to refer to clocks as "Well-regulated".

They didn't mean there were laws written by the federal government about how a clock should run.

The phrase "well-regulated" in the Constitution had NOTHING to do with written regulations by the federal or state government, as the person of today would take that phrase to mean.

You might want to check on what the phrase "bear arms" meant at the time.


Grizzly Adams would like to have a word with you.
 
2013-01-23 12:29:14 PM

propasaurus: Ted also looks like he doesn't know the meaning of the words "shower," "shampoo," or "deodorant."


If you think that's bad, you need to look up the story of how he got out of the draft.
 
2013-01-23 12:31:34 PM

pciszek: propasaurus: Ted also looks like he doesn't know the meaning of the words "shower," "shampoo," or "deodorant."

If you think that's bad, you need to look up the story of how he got out of the draft.


Good for him.
 
2013-01-23 12:32:06 PM

Zenith: david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act.  Got it.

.
Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?

.
I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party. All of that resulted in a mini-revolution via the biggest electoral slaughter in seventy-two years. What have you done for the country lately?

there is something I'd like to ask.
How can the Tea Party etc.. prattle on about 'no taxation without representation' which is a very fair point and then support a bunch of tax dodging dirtbags? you've gone full circle being lorded over by a new breed of little George IIIs who are over represented by their influence in government by basically buying it out (or trying to). What you've got now is 'over representation without taxation' by an elite few and the problem is pretty much endemic to the liberal democracies.


.
Wow, you are confused. It's the so-called-progressives in DC going on about taxation without representation. Tax dodging dirtbags? Are you referring to Obama's cabinet and personal advisors. Really, your just all over the field in that post.
 
2013-01-23 12:36:03 PM

david_gaithersburg: Philip Francis Queeg: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: I have a silly hang up on an odd concept called freedom, and freedom from tyranny. Sorry, but I do not share your desire to be a mere subject to huge and out of control government.

So we should have taken up arms against Bush and his government when they came up with the Patriot Act. Got it.
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Yes.

So why didn't you? Are you a coward?
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I did my part by voting for Ron Paul and joining the Tea Party.


So we should have taken up arms against the government when they passed the Patriot Act, but you didn't because you were too busy waiting to vote in the election that was coming up eleven years later?

So that'd be a "yes, I'm a coward"
 
2013-01-23 12:36:06 PM
in fact, the "printing press" analogy is so apt, we ought to implement it in other Constitutional Rights as well.

In honor of the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade yesterday, we hereby affirm the right of all women to obtain abortions. However, to cut down on the abuse of this right, all abortions in the future must be performed with a coat- hanger, as it was the prevailing technology when the country was formed.
 
2013-01-23 12:36:49 PM

Capt. Sparkles: Alfonso the Great: That guy is arguably the worst thing to ever come out of Michigan.

FTFY. Also...

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For your consideration.


Oh c'mon, they're funny. Especially "Dating Game."
 
2013-01-23 12:39:50 PM

Thune: And you think Obama knows what "shall not be infringed" means?


Do you know what "well regulated" means?
 
2013-01-23 12:41:26 PM

The Evil Home Brewer: keylock71: The Evil Home Brewer: The argument of "home defense" is often brought up in support of these weapons. If someone broke into my house I suspect the sound of racking a shell into one of my shotguns or into my lever-action Winchester would be enough for them to take what they already have and leave. I don't have a problem with that. My homeowner's insurance covers replacement.

Heh... I got a rifle and shotgun in the house, but in the event of someone breaking into my home, I think I prefer to defend my home with the half a hockey stick I have in the closet (next to the gun safe). I like my chances, in my home, in the dark or daylight against any intruder, armed or otherwise....

But that's really just macho masturbatory fantasizing... My home has never been burglarized or invaded and my city has a violent crime rate 5 times the national average. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I had any kind of violent altercation with another person... maybe a first fight or two in high school. It's not my firearms keeping me and the family safe. If anything, it's the fact that every ground floor entrance (doors, windows, and bulkhead) is secured when we're home and alarmed when we're out and I have good relationships with all my neighbors and we keep an eye out for each others' property.

Hell, my elderly Portuguese neighbors, who spend the day peeking between the shades when they hear any noises, are more of a deterrent to scum bags than any firearm.

We have a long hallway that leads to the bedrooms. Truthfully? If someone came down the long narrow hall I'd probably blindly fire a warning shot and then grab my 1863 Springfield with it's lock-ring bayonet. It gives me about a 6 foot reach. In a narrow hallway? I'm bound to hit enough that the intruder leaves.

I've successfullly defended myself in my home from an armed attacker exactly once. It was the late 80's and I was living in town by the university, and they climbed the porch roof, cut the screen in my room and were coming in for whatever reason, pistol in hand. It wasn't the pistol or shotgun I reached for, it was the dead Commodore 64 power supply I kept under the bed. Somewhere out there, there's a mug or morgue shot of a guy with that C= logo branded into his face.

Then there was the time I worked at a crappy Circle-K, also by the university. A guy came in with a bag, loaded it up with athlete's foot spray, then came to the counter and stuck a .25 in my face, demanded the money from the till. I wasn't quite quick enough for his liking, so he attempted to scare me by shooting "near" me - he grazed me on my left side, I still have a divot there. I hit the ground, sure that I was shot through and dying for a bag of athelet's foot spray. Dunno if you've ever been shot before, but it's bloody and pretty damn terrifying. I'm reasonably certain I pissed myself, but there was a lot of blood. Lucky for me, though, about that time someone screeched tires in the parking lot (probably taking off after they heard the shot) and I managed to clock the guy with the claw hammer we kept under the counter. IIRC, he sued Circle K - I wouldn't know for sure because they fired me for the whole thing.

A few years later I moved out here, as far away from any city as possible but still able to commute for work. I still have the C64 power supply under the bed.

Anyway, not to ramble or threadjack, just chiming in on the whole blunt objects versus attackers/intruders thing.
 
2013-01-23 12:42:45 PM
Farkage:
Yes, I'm sure that after committing treason, starting a revolution, and risking their lives for the sake of creating this country that the Founding Fathers fully intended their work to be undone by simply redefining a word or two. Because that just makes sense.


You're trying to have both arguments at once. EITHER the Founding FathersTM fully intended that the document be static and open only to literal interpretation based on the language, standards and mores of the time (in which case, using your printing press example, anyone who has ever used an electrical or electronic printing device has gone beyond the protections for a free press provided under the Constitution); OR the document was fully intended to (with)stand the tests of time beyond the Revolutionary War. Which is it?
 
2013-01-23 12:43:32 PM
could there a second amendment solution for ted nugent?
 
2013-01-23 12:46:42 PM

mentula: could there a second amendment solution for ted nugent?


How? The Second Amendment and Ted both agree. What your actually hinting at is a "Totalitarian Solution".
 
2013-01-23 12:46:58 PM

mentula: could there a second amendment solution for ted nugent?


I admit it... I would laugh if Nugent had a "tragic" bow hunting accident.
 
2013-01-23 12:47:01 PM
Actually it appears that the subby doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Like it or not, the 2nd Amendment is about ensuring that should the government get out of hand, the people have the ability to rectify it. Many people feel it is out of hand, and it's hard to argue with their reasoning. Not that I condone it, but I can't argue against it logically either.
 
2013-01-23 12:49:01 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: give me doughnuts: Philip Francis Queeg: give me doughnuts: Philip Francis Queeg: You might want to check on what the phrase "bear arms" meant at the time.

It meant you could own and use weapons that were equal to, or better than, those used by the most mordern army of the day.

Try again.

Why? I was right the first time.

No, I'm afraid you were not. The phrase "bear arms" referred to formal military service. If we want to go strictly by the common definitions of the time, the 2nd Amendment should be recognized as giving the right for everyone to join the military.


Mr. Queeg, operating on the premise that sea level is 0 and anything below that is negative; I'm wondering how much further down the Mariana Trench your IQ has to sink before it hits bottom.
 
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