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(The Hill)   GOP: it has been 7,339 years since the Senate last passed a budget   (thehill.com) divider line 42
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2013-01-23 09:03:49 AM  
Isn't it the house that controls the purse strings? Do they want to cede that power to the senate?
 
2013-01-23 09:06:10 AM  
It's also one quarter as long as the war Republicans said might last six months...at the outside.
 
2013-01-23 09:07:10 AM  
Simple solution. Republican House members: Stop trying to pass retarded budgets that you know are going to fail miserably because of the said retarded stuff you added to it. When you do pass a reasonable budget, Senate Republicans stop filibustering it straight away.

With these two things done, I am sure a budget can be passed. However those two things tend to put a hiatus on everything.
 
2013-01-23 09:07:11 AM  

soia: Isn't it the house that controls the purse strings? Do they want to cede that power to the senate?


Budgets have to originate in the house, but then both the house and senate have to pass (like any other bill) for them to become law.
 
2013-01-23 09:08:43 AM  

Bedurndurn: soia: Isn't it the house that controls the purse strings? Do they want to cede that power to the senate?

Budgets have to originate in the house, but then both the house and senate have to pass it (like any other bill) for them to become law.

/FTFM
 
2013-01-23 09:08:59 AM  
I don't understand why it's so hard for the government to make a budget.  Families across America manage their personal budget all the time.  Is it really so much to expect the government to do the same?

/ Cash your check immediately upon receipt, spend 30% on cigarettes, 30% on booze, 30% on lottery tickets.  It's the American way.
 
2013-01-23 09:09:01 AM  
I have been repeatedly told that the unwillingness of the GOP in congress to negotiate with Obama reflects a lack of leadership on Obama's part. If the House GOP can't pass a budget that will pass the Senate, that obviously means that the House GOP are displaying a lack of leadership in Congress.

I've got that right, don't I?
 
2013-01-23 09:09:01 AM  
It won't hurt the GOP to taunt democrats about a budget, and then filibuster it when they write one because it closes some tax loop holes or cuts some military pork. No, that won't hurt them at all.

/morons.
 
2013-01-23 09:10:28 AM  

Bedurndurn: Bedurndurn: soia: Isn't it the house that controls the purse strings? Do they want to cede that power to the senate?

Budgets have to originate in the house, but then both the house and senate have to pass it (like any other bill) for them to become law.
/FTFM


No, I think you were right the first time.  We'd be better off if everybody in both the house and senate "passed"
 
2013-01-23 09:10:51 AM  

robotpirateninja: It's also one quarter as long as the war Republicans said might last six months...at the outside.

www.juggernautguild.com
 
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2013-01-23 09:10:52 AM  
Remember all the times the GOP controlled congress and failed to pass a budget? Neither do they. In 1998, 2004, and 2006, the GOP controlled Senate and House failed to pass a budget. And in those years, the Democrats weren't filibustering every major piece of legislation like the GOP is today.
 
2013-01-23 09:11:03 AM  
So Republicans are in favor of abolishing the filibuster?
 
2013-01-23 09:11:49 AM  

theknuckler_33: I have been repeatedly told that the unwillingness of the GOP in congress to negotiate with Obama reflects a lack of leadership on Obama's part. If the House GOP can't pass a budget that will pass the Senate, that obviously means that the House GOP are displaying a lack of leadership in Congress.

I've got that right, don't I?


No, I'm sorry, the GOP judges were looking for "DERP". They would have also accepted, "HERP".

/Stupid Trebek
//Always looks so smug when he's got the answer on the card right in front of him!
 
2013-01-23 09:19:28 AM  
What is with the GOP and their ridiculous, meaningless, unrelated analogies? I mean that rhetorically, since I know they use them to keep the attention of the backwoods non-thinking voters that make up a lot of their base these days. "You mean we could have had 3 more Pentagons but the democrats prevented that? Why do they hate America!?"
 
2013-01-23 09:21:41 AM  
The Senate can't pass a budget because every budget that comes from the House overturns ObamaCare. FACT.
 
2013-01-23 09:22:07 AM  
Obama should troll them by presenting the Ryan budget as his...
for the lulz
 
2013-01-23 09:22:36 AM  

serial_crusher: I don't understand why it's so hard for the government to make a budget.  Families across America manage their personal budget all the time.  Is it really so much to expect the government to do the same?

/ Cash your check immediately upon receipt, spend 30% on cigarettes, 30% on booze, 30% on lottery tickets.  It's the American way.


There is a budget, it's just not a budget according to the GOP. The US could not legally spend any money without Congressional authorization, which the GOP-led House has, of course, given. Many times over.

What is "the budget" is a continuing resolution - basically, "You know how we allocated money last year? Add an inflation multiplier, and we'll keep doing that." Plus all the other program changes Congress passed.

IIRC, The Budget Control Act had to pass both houses, same as an official budget would (though the mechanisms may be slightly different).
 
2013-01-23 09:23:56 AM  
Serious question: if you want to get technical, the last "true" budget passed was in 1998. Since then we've been using omnibus spending bills as "budgets", but in the last few years these omnibus bills have been broken down as a series of smaller spending bills.

If you want to consider any bill that outlines how the government intends to proceed with spending over the course of a year/several years, how is the Budget Control Act of 2011 not a budget?
 
2013-01-23 09:24:57 AM  
Mr. silo biatches about the budget and the fact that they haven't passed one. smug and high and mighty.

Wait til he sees the budget I have for him.
 
2013-01-23 09:27:41 AM  

theknuckler_33: I have been repeatedly told that the unwillingness of the GOP in congress to negotiate with Obama reflects a lack of leadership on Obama's part. If the House GOP can't pass a budget that will pass the Senate, that obviously means that the House GOP are displaying a lack of leadership in Congress.

I've got that right, don't I?


No, it means Barry Savior Fartbongo is displaying a lack of leadership. That's what happens when you elect a muslim--their religion doesn't even have a guy in charge of it. If you'd elected a good Catholic, you'd have a leader because those people are expecting to have a centralized figure with all the power. Hell, you could have elected a Mormon and it would have been better than some dark-hearted swarthy muslim.
 
2013-01-23 09:29:25 AM  

Dr Dreidel: What is "the budget" is a continuing resolution - basically, "You know how we allocated money last year? Add an inflation multiplier, and we'll keep doing that." Plus all the other program changes Congress passed.

 
It's actually even better than that: the CR is limited by the amount that was spent in the CR or budget before it, meaning that the CR can't ever spend <i>more</i>. On the other hand, it can spend less, and <i>every</i> CR that's been passed under the Obama Administration has contained cuts.


Republicans whine about the CR, but really, it's the best budget they're ever going to get.

Not to mention that our country seemed to do just fine for two centuries before the first "budget" was passed.
 
2013-01-23 09:30:03 AM  
I have to get used to not using HTML tags. It's been a while since I posted at Fark.
 
2013-01-23 09:33:36 AM  

Bedurndurn: soia: Isn't it the house that controls the purse strings? Do they want to cede that power to the senate?

Budgets have to originate in the house, but then both the house and senate have to pass (like any other bill) for them to become law.


Thats right they do have to originate in the house.

one must look at the history of our government to understand that there is always a give and take between the legislative branch and the executive branch. Power has swayed from one branch to the other and so on and so forth. I don't understand this move from the house, they are the ones who have to come up with a budget that can pass the senate and get approved by the president, why on earth are they blaming the senate for making a budget that cannot be passed. This notion that the senate has not passed a budget since before the earth existed in biblical years is just grandstanding, unless of course the house wishes to hand the power of the purse to the senate, thus making the senate more powerful and making the house look like a bunch of jackoffs who can't get anything done, which is exactly what they are doing.

/you give republicans a bad name
 
2013-01-23 09:34:48 AM  
Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself! Quit hitting yourself!
 
2013-01-23 09:35:26 AM  

limeyfellow: Simple solution. Republican House members: Stop trying to pass retarded budgets that you know are going to fail miserably because of the said retarded stuff you added to it. When you do pass a reasonable budget, Senate Republicans stop filibustering it straight away.

With these two things done, I am sure a budget can be passed. However those two things tend to put a hiatus on everything.


There is no limit to the hypocrisy and shamelessness with which the GOP act. So long as they can continue to make the government look bad, then blame it on their opponents, they will continue to do so.
 
2013-01-23 09:42:03 AM  
palelizard:No, it means Barry Savior Fartbongo is displaying a lack of leadership. That's what happens when you elect a muslim--their religion doesn't even have a guy in charge of it. If you'd elected a good Catholic, you'd have a leader because those people are expecting to have a centralized figure with all the power. Hell, you could have elected a Mormon and it would have been better than some dark-hearted swarthy muslim.

Exactly.  Can't even draw that Mohommad guys' picture.   Meanwhile, I can get a complete decorative plate set featuring the German Shepherd doing naked tent yoga.
 
2013-01-23 09:46:20 AM  

palelizard: theknuckler_33: I have been repeatedly told that the unwillingness of the GOP in congress to negotiate with Obama reflects a lack of leadership on Obama's part. If the House GOP can't pass a budget that will pass the Senate, that obviously means that the House GOP are displaying a lack of leadership in Congress.

I've got that right, don't I?

No, it means Barry Savior Fartbongo is displaying a lack of leadership. That's what happens when you elect a muslim--their religion doesn't even have a guy in charge of it. If you'd elected a good Catholic, you'd have a leader because those people are expecting to have a centralized figure with all the power. Hell, you could have elected a Mormon and it would have been better than some dark-hearted swarthy muslim.


Don't forget how much mileage Republicans got out of crowing that not a single Democrat would vote for Obama's budget (when they introduced it to the floor after a continuing resolution deal was made and the initial offer wasn't even being considered anymore.)
 
2013-01-23 09:47:42 AM  
Read the farking Constitution, ya whiny bastards. The House is responsible for the budget.
 
2013-01-23 10:17:52 AM  
How long has it been since the House passed a budget that the Senate sent back to them?
 
2013-01-23 10:30:17 AM  
Has anyone here mentioned yet that Federal budgets are fundamentally long-term visionary political documents and that they neither actually appropriate any money nor do they prevent Congress from appropriating money? At least a reporter on NPR did this morning.
 
2013-01-23 10:32:34 AM  

Bedurndurn: Budgets have to originate in the house, but then both the house and senate have to pass (like any other bill) for them to become law.


Federal budgets don't have legal force--they don't actually spend any money. It would be nice if the appropriations function was built into the budget in the United States but they are two separate functions.
 
2013-01-23 10:36:28 AM  
It's been 1.179 x 108 s since the democraps socialists passed a budget!

ZOMG IMPEACH!1
 
2013-01-23 10:43:51 AM  
Isn't that older then the GOP believes the world to be?
 
2013-01-23 11:45:41 AM  
A round trip to the moon takes 41 years?
 
2013-01-23 12:23:18 PM  

ib_thinkin: I have to get used to not using HTML tags. It's been a while since I posted at Fark.


Yeah, I thought it'd been a while since I read you. Welcome back! (run for your life)
 
2013-01-23 12:48:07 PM  

Grungehamster: If you want to consider any bill that outlines how the government intends to proceed with spending over the course of a year/several years, how is the Budget Control Act of 2011 not a budget?


Granny_Panties: The Senate can't pass a budget because every budget that comes from the House overturns ObamaCare. FACT.


That right there is why the Budget Control Act of 2011 is not considered by republicans to be a budget.
 
2013-01-23 12:53:42 PM  

ib_thinkin: Dr Dreidel: What is "the budget" is a continuing resolution - basically, "You know how we allocated money last year? Add an inflation multiplier, and we'll keep doing that." Plus all the other program changes Congress passed.

It's actually even better than that: the CR is limited by the amount that was spent in the CR or budget before it, meaning that the CR can't ever spend <i>more</i>. On the other hand, it can spend less, and <i>every</i> CR that's been passed under the Obama Administration has contained cuts.


Republicans whine about the CR, but really, it's the best budget they're ever going to get.

Not to mention that our country seemed to do just fine for two centuries before the first "budget" was passed.


Those are all Facts and history and stuff. Real 'merican patriots make up their own facts and history!!
 
2013-01-23 02:00:50 PM  
Passed =\= Submitted
 
2013-01-23 02:44:18 PM  
If Republicans wouldn't filibuster the Senate budget then it would be quite a bit easier to pass one through the Senate. Also, the Constitution requires that all budget bills originate with the House of Representatives and the House only passes budgets that it knows have no chance of making it through the Senate.
 
2013-01-23 04:03:21 PM  
Why don't they just ram this through after the filibuster reform and see what the Republicans in the House do with it? Has the same chance as Ryan's budget in the Senate, anyway.

Oh, and a quick recap for those who don't get why this is a bullshiat talking point:

It's only since 1974 that the government has had a dedicated budget process. The way that process works is that the President is required, every year, to submit a budget proposal in early February. Then the CBO does an analysis, and Congress debates it. Both the Senate and the House are supposed to come up with "budget resolutions" which are then united in a conference committee report that the President signs - when everything works.

Now, here comes the bullshiat. This conference report, which comprises the "budget" doesn't actually do anything. It contains neither program authorizations or appropriations. Authorizations are Congressional approval of spending programs, while appropriations actually send the money to those programs for their use. Both of those have to be passed besides the budget in order for the government to keep operating. As we've proven several times over the years, those can be passed even without a budget in order to keep government operating.

So, what has been happening the last several years is that instead of passing a budget resolution, Congress has instead just been passing appropriations and authorizations bills without an overriding budget guiding the way. This was the way the process worked back in the dark ages and generally works okay - each committee puts together a policy bill and a spending bill, then the two chambers work out the differences, and the President signs it. When they run short of time, multiple ones get rolled into omnibus bills, which is where all the pork gets hidden, but still, not so bad.

Lately however, they haven't even been able to do that. The most recent farm bill is a perfect example - both the Senate and the House passed their bills out of committee, but the Boehner wouldn't even let the House farm bill come to the floor for debate. That's why it was rolled into the fiscal cliff crap - the money and programs needed reauthorization, but nothing had been done to do so. Instead, it got rolled into the "continuing resolution" which just goes off of what was done before, and says "yeah, that again, except more for inflation." Of course, with CRs, you can't add any money EXCEPT an inflation increase, but you can make cuts - which is exactly what happened to stuff like farmer's markets credits and organic farming credits.

So, I kind of wandered off the main thread there getting into intricacies of why this "must pass a budget" thing is crap, but here's the upshot: The only thing a budget does is provide a strategic vision that the other side can use against you. It doesn't authorize programs, spend money, or run the business of governing in any way. When Republicans demand that Democrats pass a budget, what they're really saying is "the Ryan budget sure made an effective hammer for you to smack us with - give us one of those, too!" And that's why this is a bullshiat talking point.
 
2013-01-23 08:04:46 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Yeah, I thought it'd been a while since I read you. Welcome back! (run for your life)


Thank you kindly! I'm not in the States now, so I'm in a weird time zone (EST + 13), so the places I started going to when I couldn't get to Fark at my old job aren't really active when I'm active anymore, except for early in the morning and late at night.

Then I remembered "THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE ON FARK" and then I remembered the kinds of things that were said on Fark, and thought "Oh, wait a minute; that might not work here," but here I am.
 
2013-01-23 08:06:25 PM  

Corvus: Those are all Facts and history and stuff. Real 'merican patriots make up their own facts and history!!


Thomas Jefferson and George Washington drove a Hummer towards the British lines, while bald eagles sided with the patriots and those farking turkeys sided with loyalists. That's why we eat the latter on Thanksgiving. Motherfarkers.
 
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