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2013-01-23 08:48:59 AM
"I think it's important to keep people like Heidi involved in the discussions," he said. "I haven't seen any radical proposals and nobody is calling for a repeal of the Second Amendment that I'm aware of. I think if the proposals are reasonable, if blue states and red states get together as far as Democrats go, I think we can can do okay."

Yeah, no. Banning some of the most popular firearms, then turning around and saying "BUT I LET YOU KEEP YOUR SINGLE SHOT .22 SO I DIDN'T BAN GUNS!", will have electoral repercussions no matter how hard you try to pretend it wont
 
2013-01-23 08:59:33 AM

Frank N Stein: "I think it's important to keep people like Heidi involved in the discussions," he said. "I haven't seen any radical proposals and nobody is calling for a repeal of the Second Amendment that I'm aware of. I think if the proposals are reasonable, if blue states and red states get together as far as Democrats go, I think we can can do okay."

Yeah, no. Banning some of the most popular firearms, then turning around and saying "BUT I LET YOU KEEP YOUR SINGLE SHOT .22 SO I DIDN'T BAN GUNS!", will have electoral repercussions no matter how hard you try to pretend it wont


This. And why is it so farking hard to resolve to step up enforcement and increase penalties on the laws we already have?
 
2013-01-23 09:19:40 AM
Ooooh, wait, let me guess: <b>it involves Mexicans.</b>
 
2013-01-23 09:20:16 AM
**<Fail>HTML</FAIL>
 
2013-01-23 09:22:27 AM

ib_thinkin: Ooooh, wait, let me guess: <b>it involves Mexicans.</b>


ib_thinkin: **<Fail>HTML</FAIL>


It's okay. I still love you.
 
2013-01-23 09:34:34 AM

Frank N Stein: It's okay. I still love you.


Right back atcha, pookums.
 
2013-01-23 09:53:33 AM
Yes, because Democrats really need lessons in how to win elections.
 
2013-01-23 10:14:47 AM
Phrasing
 
2013-01-23 10:19:05 AM

LasersHurt: Phrasing Lie and manipulate facts


It's the only chance the pro gun control crowd has.
 
2013-01-23 10:19:29 AM

Frank N Stein: "I think it's important to keep people like Heidi involved in the discussions," he said. "I haven't seen any radical proposals and nobody is calling for a repeal of the Second Amendment that I'm aware of. I think if the proposals are reasonable, if blue states and red states get together as far as Democrats go, I think we can can do okay."

Yeah, no. Banning some of the most popular firearms, then turning around and saying "BUT I LET YOU KEEP YOUR SINGLE SHOT .22 SO I DIDN'T BAN GUNS!", will have electoral repercussions no matter how hard you try to pretend it wont


I guess appealing to your inner-adult to propose actual reforms that will reduce the violence too much to ask for. Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags and see if the majority of people care whyyou need these things while violence continues.

You want to stop being attacked by the so-called gun grabbers? Man-up and join the adult discussion about ways to actually reduce the violence, because moderates are laughing at people like you.

//this also applies to the very few individuals advocating for the repeal of the 2nd amendment. Grow up.
 
2013-01-23 10:22:48 AM
I'm a Democrat in Ga.
My advice on gun control.

Drop it!

First deal with immigration, drug war, war, loss of civil liberties, loss of safety net. Then when all that is done, cure cancer. Then you can work on gun control.
 
2013-01-23 10:22:56 AM

coeyagi: Frank N Stein: "I think it's important to keep people like Heidi involved in the discussions," he said. "I haven't seen any radical proposals and nobody is calling for a repeal of the Second Amendment that I'm aware of. I think if the proposals are reasonable, if blue states and red states get together as far as Democrats go, I think we can can do okay."

Yeah, no. Banning some of the most popular firearms, then turning around and saying "BUT I LET YOU KEEP YOUR SINGLE SHOT .22 SO I DIDN'T BAN GUNS!", will have electoral repercussions no matter how hard you try to pretend it wont

I guess appealing to your inner-adult to propose actual reforms that will reduce the violence too much to ask for. Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags and see if the majority of people care whyyou need these things while violence continues.

You want to stop being attacked by the so-called gun grabbers? Man-up and join the adult discussion about ways to actually reduce the violence, because moderates are laughing at people like you.

//this also applies to the very few individuals advocating for the repeal of the 2nd amendment. Grow up.


"You're a child because you disagree with me! Grow up!"

That's your argument. Okay.
 
2013-01-23 10:23:56 AM

Giltric: LasersHurt: Phrasing Lie and manipulate facts

It's the only chance the pro gun control crowd has.


That's not true at all.
 
2013-01-23 10:25:30 AM

coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags


When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?
 
2013-01-23 10:29:41 AM

Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?


This logic doesn't work. You can make the same argument for permitting people to own grenades and machine guns. Why not allow people to use mustard gas to defend their homes? Is it too much to ask?!
 
2013-01-23 10:31:34 AM

Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?


If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.
 
2013-01-23 10:31:54 AM

Frank N Stein: coeyagi: Frank N Stein: "I think it's important to keep people like Heidi involved in the discussions," he said. "I haven't seen any radical proposals and nobody is calling for a repeal of the Second Amendment that I'm aware of. I think if the proposals are reasonable, if blue states and red states get together as far as Democrats go, I think we can can do okay."

Yeah, no. Banning some of the most popular firearms, then turning around and saying "BUT I LET YOU KEEP YOUR SINGLE SHOT .22 SO I DIDN'T BAN GUNS!", will have electoral repercussions no matter how hard you try to pretend it wont

I guess appealing to your inner-adult to propose actual reforms that will reduce the violence too much to ask for. Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags and see if the majority of people care whyyou need these things while violence continues.

You want to stop being attacked by the so-called gun grabbers? Man-up and join the adult discussion about ways to actually reduce the violence, because moderates are laughing at people like you.

//this also applies to the very few individuals advocating for the repeal of the 2nd amendment. Grow up.

"You're a child because you disagree with me! Grow up!"

That's your argument. Okay.


You're a child because your argument is worthless. NO ONE CARES except other gun nuts. You are just white noise. If you want people to get off your ass, live in the real world and be part of the solution. The average person could give a crap about your rights being regulated. People want to live in a world where they don't have to live in fear about sending their kids to school. Or getting shot randomly while walking down the street.

Step 1: Identify the problem (Too much gun violence)
Step 2: Identify the cause (IF IT ISN'T BECAUSE OF GOD DAMN ASSAULT WEAPONS, THEN TELL US WHAT IT IS, BRO!)

Seriously, you can't even do that. You just whine incessantly. With every post you get less and less of my respect because you can't even do simple logical reasoning that would in the end better your position.
 
2013-01-23 10:33:08 AM

DamnYankees: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

This logic doesn't work. You can make the same argument for permitting people to own grenades and machine guns. Why not allow people to use mustard gas to defend their homes? Is it too much to ask?!


I need ICBMs to protect my neighborhood. You can't argue otherwise, because I say I need it. Who are you to say otherwise. Is it too much to ask?!
 
2013-01-23 10:35:51 AM

pueblonative: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.


Suppressing fire?
 
2013-01-23 10:35:59 AM
In before Coeyagi and Giltric started fighting...

Wait...

Damn.
 
2013-01-23 10:37:16 AM

Tomahawk513: In before Coeyagi and Giltric started fighting...

Wait...

Damn.


I wasn't fighting Giltric, I was responding to Frank N Stein,

Ok, I made a snarky response in support of Damn Yankees who was refuting Giltric who was responding to me.
 
2013-01-23 10:40:11 AM
Well coeyagi. Right off the bat you called me childish and my argument worthless. It's apparent you're not interested in a real discussion, but simply want your moment on the soap box and use me as your target to unleash your vitriol. I do not engage in Bill O'reilly style debates.

If anyone else would like to discuss the issue feel free to ask me questions in regards to my opinions on gun control etc.
 
2013-01-23 10:43:44 AM

DamnYankees: This logic doesn't work. You can make the same argument for permitting people to own grenades and machine guns.


I can own both of those, it's just a little more paperwork, but I would rather spackle some bullet holes than re drywall entire rooms.
 
2013-01-23 10:45:43 AM

pueblonative: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.


I'll take my chances. I don't need you to dictate how I should defend myself and my family.

Backup is on the way when I call 9-11....and they may not get here for 20 minutes....it's almost as if you make my case for me.
 
2013-01-23 10:45:47 AM
FTA- "Mike Gierau, a Democratic committeeman from Wyoming, noted that Obama's main proposals - an assault weapons ban and expanded background checks - had already long been part of the DNC's platform without hurting its down-ballot candidates. He recommended keeping the focus on those measures, which polls generally show to be popular, while stressing that hunters would be unaffected by the changes"

One more time for the slow learners.

Anytime a gun enthusiast hears some politician start promising that hunting would be unaffected by any new gun control laws, we roll our eyes and stop listening.

Where in the second amendment is hunting mentioned? Hunting could be outlawed tomorrow, and there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it.

The same people that are coming for my assault weapon today, will be knocking on my door for my shotgun tomorrow.
 
2013-01-23 10:46:05 AM

Giltric: DamnYankees: This logic doesn't work. You can make the same argument for permitting people to own grenades and machine guns.

I can own both of those, it's just a little more paperwork, but I would rather spackle some bullet holes than re drywall entire rooms.


Pretty sure you can't own mustard gas no matter what.
 
2013-01-23 10:46:34 AM
In this case of course, a "massacre at the polls" is meant literally
 
2013-01-23 10:46:40 AM

Giltric: I don't need you to dictate how I should defend myself and my family.


Yes, you do. HInt: you're not a superhero.
 
2013-01-23 10:47:26 AM

coeyagi: I need ICBMs to protect my neighborhood. You can't argue otherwise, because I say I need it. Who are you to say otherwise. Is it too much to ask?!


Kind of silly to take out the entire neighborhood including yourself, but generally this is how the antis respond when they lose arguments.

But But ICBMS is the new But But Bush.
 
2013-01-23 10:47:53 AM

Frank N Stein: Well coeyagi. Right off the bat you called me childish and my argument worthless. It's apparent you're not interested in a real discussion, but simply want your moment on the soap box and use me as your target to unleash your vitriol. I do not engage in Bill O'reilly style debates.

If anyone else would like to discuss the issue feel free to ask me questions in regards to my opinions on gun control etc.


Frank, baby, you just gotta think for yourself man. It's simple logic bro. It's a childish argument - WHAH, WHAH, I need my guns, government bad, etc, etc. An adult would simply find a way to get that big bad nefarious government off his back without whining about his so-called needs, especially in lieu of how many people have been killed in recent weeks in mass shooting. It makes you look heartless, and ultimately childish. I am sorry, this is the perception, and perception is reality, Frank.

So again, I am offering you a new way to look at things. A new way to advance your cause by attacking the problem - gun violence - with actual reforms that would work in your mind. I am sorry it appears condescending - that wasn't my intent - but it's time for some soul searching, Frank.

The next move, I leave up to you.
 
2013-01-23 10:49:39 AM

Basily Gourt: FTA- "Mike Gierau, a Democratic committeeman from Wyoming, noted that Obama's main proposals - an assault weapons ban and expanded background checks - had already long been part of the DNC's platform without hurting its down-ballot candidates. He recommended keeping the focus on those measures, which polls generally show to be popular, while stressing that hunters would be unaffected by the changes"

One more time for the slow learners.

Anytime a gun enthusiast hears some politician start promising that hunting would be unaffected by any new gun control laws, we roll our eyes and stop listening.

Where in the second amendment is hunting mentioned? Hunting could be outlawed tomorrow, and there wouldn't be a damn thing we could do about it.

The same people that are coming for my assault weapon today, will be knocking on my door for my shotgun tomorrow.


www.sirlin.net
 
2013-01-23 10:51:25 AM

Giltric: coeyagi: I need ICBMs to protect my neighborhood. You can't argue otherwise, because I say I need it. Who are you to say otherwise. Is it too much to ask?!

Kind of silly to take out the entire neighborhood including yourself, but generally this is how the antis respond when they lose arguments.

But But ICBMS is the new But But Bush.


It's called snark and sarcasm, but it is the logical extension of your argument about a regulation-free 2nd amendment. So now, the argument wasn't lost, you saying it was lost a) doesn't mean it's true just because you said so and b) sounds pretty desperate to appoint yourself the arbiter of an argument you are involved in - you must have tried to be homeplate umpire when you were in little league.
 
2013-01-23 10:51:38 AM

coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags and see if the majority of people care whyyou need these things while violence continues.


It is not up to me to explain a need for something that at the least is tangentially involved with a personal right. It is up to the people wanting to ban such items to describe narrowly the govts need to ban/restrict them and provide data that will show that such changes will benefit society greater than the loss of the right.
 
2013-01-23 10:52:04 AM
Coeyagi: you said my argument is worthless. Well, my argument was that there will be electoral repercussions for blue dogs voting for gun control. The fact that, as the article states, many southern democrats fear such voter response lends credence to this argument. While I certainly may be wrong, there is a good possibility that that may happen. Not sure how my argument is "worthless"
 
2013-01-23 10:53:06 AM

Giltric: pueblonative: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.

I'll take my chances. I don't need you to dictate how I should defend myself and my family.

Backup is on the way when I call 9-11....and they may not get here for 20 minutes....it's almost as if you make my case for me.


Cause God forbid we increase funding for police and other responders to decrease those times. Nah, let's just put something in homes that is 43 more times likely to injure or kill your family members or yourself than protect you. Sound thinking there.
 
2013-01-23 10:53:56 AM

Frank N Stein: Coeyagi: you said my argument is worthless. Well, my argument was that there will be electoral repercussions for blue dogs voting for gun control. The fact that, as the article states, many southern democrats fear such voter response lends credence to this argument. While I certainly may be wrong, there is a good possibility that that may happen. Not sure how my argument is "worthless"


So your argument is just about election results. Again, this has nothing to do with the problem.

Strike number.... Frank, I can't even keep count on how many times you've whiffed.

Try addressing the problem with non-worthless arguments.
 
2013-01-23 10:56:10 AM
You can ban all the assault weapons and limit all the magazines you want. If you don't secure the weapons in the first place and miss warning signs that maybe a member of your family is having some mental issues shootings will continue.

Responsible gun owners need to be more responsible. There is room in the current system for improvement.

Anti-gun people need to focus less on how scarry something looks and do something about addressing the issue.
 
2013-01-23 10:58:44 AM
khhsdude:
Anti-gun people need to focus less on how scarry something looks and do something about addressing the issue.

Really, you mean the only reason the gun aficionados are getting those guns is because they just "look scarry"? Didn't know that they were interested in gun flair?
 
2013-01-23 10:59:22 AM

coeyagi: Giltric: coeyagi: I need ICBMs to protect my neighborhood. You can't argue otherwise, because I say I need it. Who are you to say otherwise. Is it too much to ask?!

Kind of silly to take out the entire neighborhood including yourself, but generally this is how the antis respond when they lose arguments.

But But ICBMS is the new But But Bush.

It's called snark and sarcasm, but it is the logical extension of your argument about a regulation-free 2nd amendment. So now, the argument wasn't lost, you saying it was lost a) doesn't mean it's true just because you said so and b) sounds pretty desperate to appoint yourself the arbiter of an argument you are involved in - you must have tried to be homeplate umpire when you were in little league.


I don't mind certain regulations on the RKBA. I'm in favor of background checks nowhere did I claim that the 2nd should be regulation free.

The use of the 2nd is regulated just like the use of the first is regulated....I can not yell fire in a crowded theater, but my voice or my pen or my keyboard is not regulated. The RKBA is regulated in its use where I can not murder someone in cold blood....my firearm and my magazine capacity should not be regulated.
 
2013-01-23 11:00:15 AM
Coeyagi: I had to assume you were talking about my opinion elections and gun control, because that was my original argument and you responded to that argument by calling it worthless.

And if you want to talk about "the problem" with gun violence, I would respond with the fact that gun crime has been steadily going down since the 90s. Enforce current laws to keep that trend going, as the current laws seem to be working (and increasingly working better as time goes on)
 
2013-01-23 11:02:12 AM
So that's a brief on my opinion Coe. Respond to it as you wish, but I'm not going to debate you further. You've proven yourself to be the childish one here. I don't have time to entertain a kid.
 
2013-01-23 11:02:56 AM

Frank N Stein: Coeyagi: I had to assume you were talking about my opinion elections and gun control, because that was my original argument and you responded to that argument by calling it worthless.

And if you want to talk about "the problem" with gun violence, I would respond with the fact that gun crime has been steadily going down since the 90s. Enforce current laws to keep that trend going, as the current laws seem to be working (and increasingly working better as time goes on)


And it has been going down because of Roe v. Wade, but you are arguing that there isn't a problem. There is a problem. We have more gun violence per capita than many other countries, just because it is trending down doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
 
2013-01-23 11:03:04 AM

coeyagi: You want to stop being attacked by the so-called gun grabbers? Man-up and join the adult discussion about ways to actually reduce the violence, because moderates are laughing at people like you.


Firstly, there's only a few incidents where hi-caps are used each year. It's simply not a problem that laws can stop. Second,I've seen suggestions designed to directly reduce violence.

Gun control advocates essentially follow this script:
1. Pass bans and nuisance laws to reduce gun ownership
2. ?????
3. Reduction in violence.

khhsdude: pueblonative: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.

Suppressing fire?


Back around Thanksgiving a family around here had 4 men attempt a home invasion. The homeowner had a fence and surveillance system so he saw them coming. He called the cops and it took 20 minutes for them to arrive. By then they had fled but for several minutes they were in his home and firing at him. He had his own firearm and was firing back to keep them at bay. I dont see the sense in telling him he should have only had 6 bullets to defend himself.
 
2013-01-23 11:03:11 AM

pueblonative: khhsdude:
Anti-gun people need to focus less on how scarry something looks and do something about addressing the issue.

Really, you mean the only reason the gun aficionados are getting those guns is because they just "look scarry"? Didn't know that they were interested in gun flair?


Tacti-cool is a pretty common thing.
 
2013-01-23 11:04:12 AM

pueblonative: Giltric: pueblonative: Giltric: coeyagi: Go ahead, explain to me why your inner-child needs 30-round mags

When people break into a house and the police are called...the homeowner is at the mercy of the attackers until the police show up. The police can show up 30 minutes later in some places, and when they do show up they show up in force with multiple officers and multiple weapons with 30 round standard capacity magazines.

Why is it too much to ask that a person who is defending their home and family be allowed 30 round standard capacity magazines?

If you need thirty rounds in a clip to kill whatever is coming at you, chances are you needed backup and are dead already.

I'll take my chances. I don't need you to dictate how I should defend myself and my family.

Backup is on the way when I call 9-11....and they may not get here for 20 minutes....it's almost as if you make my case for me.

Cause God forbid we increase funding for police and other responders to decrease those times. Nah, let's just put something in homes that is 43 more times likely to injure or kill your family members or yourself than protect you. Sound thinking there.


That claim about 43 times has been disected repeatedly in previous threads. It includes suicide and it includes felons who are prohibited from owning firearms in the first place.

The gun control crowd has to manipulate statistics and cook the books to try to make their point, and when you have to resort to lies and manipulation it seems like your argument does not stand on solid ground.
The left argues gun control how the right argues abortion.
 
2013-01-23 11:04:18 AM

Frank N Stein: So that's a brief on my opinion Coe. Respond to it as you wish, but I'm not going to debate you further. You've proven yourself to be the childish one here. I don't have time to entertain a kid.


So your argument is "I am not a kid, you are."

Convinced no one, you have.
 
2013-01-23 11:05:07 AM

khhsdude: You can ban all the assault weapons and limit all the magazines you want. If you don't secure the weapons in the first place and miss warning signs that maybe a member of your family is having some mental issues shootings will continue.

Responsible gun owners need to be more responsible. There is room in the current system for improvement.

Anti-gun people need to focus less on how scarry something looks and do something about addressing the issue.


I would love to see PSAs about proper storage and suggestions of safety training. For a few million going to the ad councel we could save a lot of lives.
 
2013-01-23 11:11:08 AM
The most effective argument seems to involve racist attacks (e.g. Do you want your Muslim terrorist neighbor to be able to start putting together his arsenal to use to attack Americans?) How is it possible that someone who is on the no-fly list as a potential terrorist threat can just walk in to any gun show and buy a gun?

Also, should certifiably crazy people be allowed to own guns?
 
2013-01-23 11:22:18 AM
"As for legislators outside his state, Logsdon stressed that respect for gun owners would be critical."

Riiiiight, that will never happen.
 
2013-01-23 11:23:55 AM

Saiga410: khhsdude: You can ban all the assault weapons and limit all the magazines you want. If you don't secure the weapons in the first place and miss warning signs that maybe a member of your family is having some mental issues shootings will continue.

Responsible gun owners need to be more responsible. There is room in the current system for improvement.

Anti-gun people need to focus less on how scarry something looks and do something about addressing the issue.

I would love to see PSAs about proper storage and suggestions of safety training. For a few million going to the ad councel we could save a lot of lives.


This is a great idea. I also wouldn't mind seeing an expansion of the civilian marksmenship program, perhaps to teach gun safety in schools
 
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