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(Telegraph)   Despite new laws limiting their powers, UK authorities can still barge in to make sure your fridge is energy-efficient, your houseplants are healthy, you don't have German enemy property, and your hypnotisms are legal   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 23
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2013-01-23 08:37:15 AM  
And to also make sure there are no weapons inside their home, look out for dangerous places like a sunroof that could break and hurt potential law breakers, and most importantly, to make sure they are using the proper way of making tea.
 
2013-01-23 08:41:14 AM  
What about making sure your telly is properly licensed, and also the penguin?
 
2013-01-23 08:41:20 AM  
This is what happens when you give up your God-given right to bear arms. The government starts checking on your pot plants and making sure your fridge is energy efficient. I for one won't stand for it. If keeping my pot plants and 1970's fridge means watering the tree of liberty with a little bit more blood of patriots, so be it.

/guessing "pot plants" means "plants in a pot" across the pond there
 
2013-01-23 09:08:22 AM  
I'd rather have free cable and guns than a queen and Sky
 
2013-01-23 09:13:31 AM  
Considering my local authoritys' inability to find its arse with both hands, I am not unduly worried about them checking my potted plants or the fridge's efficiency rating....
 
2013-01-23 09:14:34 AM  
Britain is seriously screwed up and it's where we're headed in a handbasket.
I have a friend who's wife is from Britain and they go back to visit regularly.
They had an incident with an extended family member where an angry teenager accused his parents of abusing (hitting) him.
The school principal ordered a video camera (with audio monitoring) installed IN the home. Right smack in the middle of the front room. For an entire year.
Any government "official" can have you put under surveillance for ANY (or no) reason and you have no recourse.

Civil rights? yeah, I like the few I have left.
 
2013-01-23 09:16:51 AM  
I guess they're making progress if the government agrees it should stop being helicopter parents. I wish US politicians would take note.
 
2013-01-23 09:18:02 AM  

computerguyUT: Britain is seriously screwed up and it's where we're headed in a handbasket.
I have a friend who's wife is from Britain and they go back to visit regularly.
They had an incident with an extended family member where an angry teenager accused his parents of abusing (hitting) him.
The school principal ordered a video camera (with audio monitoring) installed IN the home. Right smack in the middle of the front room. For an entire year.
Any government "official" can have you put under surveillance for ANY (or no) reason and you have no recourse.

Civil rights? yeah, I like the few I have left.


I really would like some sort of citation on that one!!!!

I imagine a Headteacher would have to report the incident to Social Services, I can't see any way a Headteacher could force a video camera in to someones home. Never even heard of Social Services doing that.
 
2013-01-23 09:25:34 AM  
It is happening in the US too. Police regularly enter homes and fenced-off properties without warrants. Police officers shoot nearly 40,000 family pets every year. They are trained to react to stimulus and not think about the consequences of that reaction. They don't need to be thinking about it, they have the Union to back up a story no matter how outrageous or implausible, and the newspapers to lick their boots every time they use their weapon.

Refusal of an unwarranted search is now grounds for arrest and in and of itself constitutes probable cause for a search warrant to be issued. Refusal to answer questions is now grounds for added charges of lying to an officer. One can now be arrested and convicted of resisting arrest even if there were no grounds for arrest in the first place.

No property is safe if a cop can claim the property is likely guilty of a crime, even if that property was purchased legally. It becomes the responsibility of the owner of that property to prove that property innocent of the crime. You can literally have your house or your car confiscated by Police in civil forfeiture if that car or house was previously owned by an individual suspected of a crime. There are no "innocent third parties" in civil forfeiture.

Citation. I know it's old, but these laws have been strengthened and expanded since, and over the last ten years, have increased in usage by over 1500%. California police departments have seen over $90 million in "bonuses" on their salaries based entirely on assets confiscated by these laws. Several States have used civil forfeiture laws to pad cops salaries or pay them outright, buy new equipment and build jails. Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas have passed laws enabling Police Officers to confiscate any cash found on an individual no matter how small the amount. As ALL cash in the United States contains chemicals also found in drug manufacture, all cash is considered contraband.
 
2013-01-23 09:28:14 AM  

dbirchall: What about making sure your telly is properly licensed, and also the penguin?


A proper penguin would have exploded by now.
 
2013-01-23 10:29:02 AM  
According to the picture people intend to smoke ferns?
 
2013-01-23 10:40:18 AM  
So England is like one big HOA?
 
2013-01-23 11:02:42 AM  
"One can now be arrested and convicted of resisting arrest even if there were no grounds for arrest in the first place."

Yep. My brother was charged with "delaying an officer" because he fled from a cruiser who was tailing him with his lights off (in the bike lane!) on his bike. He was scared because there had been a rash of police-on-citizen shootings in his county, and didn't want to get killed. So he took a trip through a hedge where the office couldn't follow in his car, and the officer called in a few more cruisers so they could find him. All this for a guy on a bike. In Napa County, people! And his charge was "delaying an officer." WHAT THE FARK.
 
2013-01-23 12:15:20 PM  
What do they do if you won't let them in your house?
 
2013-01-23 12:23:05 PM  
www.seraphicpress.com
 
2013-01-23 12:26:10 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [www.seraphicpress.com image 450x318]


Comparing Obama to Kim Jong-il is about as idiotic as comparing Bush to Hitler
 
2013-01-23 12:52:38 PM  

cman: Clemkadidlefark: [www.seraphicpress.com image 450x318]

Comparing Obama to Kim Jong-il is about as idiotic as comparing Bush to Hitler


So it's not idiotic at all then?
 
2013-01-23 01:01:11 PM  

Farce-Side: cman: Clemkadidlefark: [www.seraphicpress.com image 450x318]

Comparing Obama to Kim Jong-il is about as idiotic as comparing Bush to Hitler

So it's not idiotic at all then?


LOL
 
2013-01-23 05:31:27 PM  

I'm no expert but...: computerguyUT: Britain is seriously screwed up and it's where we're headed in a handbasket.
I have a friend who's wife is from Britain and they go back to visit regularly.
They had an incident with an extended family member where an angry teenager accused his parents of abusing (hitting) him.
The school principal ordered a video camera (with audio monitoring) installed IN the home. Right smack in the middle of the front room. For an entire year.
Any government "official" can have you put under surveillance for ANY (or no) reason and you have no recourse.

Civil rights? yeah, I like the few I have left.

I really would like some sort of citation on that one!!!!

I imagine a Headteacher would have to report the incident to Social Services, I can't see any way a Headteacher could force a video camera in to someones home. Never even heard of Social Services doing that.


I'll see what I can find. I have no reason to question my friend at all, he's one of the most straight up people I have ever known.
 
2013-01-23 05:41:39 PM  

I'm no expert but...: computerguyUT: Britain is seriously screwed up and it's where we're headed in a handbasket.
I have a friend who's wife is from Britain and they go back to visit regularly.
They had an incident with an extended family member where an angry teenager accused his parents of abusing (hitting) him.
The school principal ordered a video camera (with audio monitoring) installed IN the home. Right smack in the middle of the front room. For an entire year.
Any government "official" can have you put under surveillance for ANY (or no) reason and you have no recourse.

Civil rights? yeah, I like the few I have left.

I really would like some sort of citation on that one!!!!

I imagine a Headteacher would have to report the incident to Social Services, I can't see any way a Headteacher could force a video camera in to someones home. Never even heard of Social Services doing that.


The fastest thing I can find is a Wired article talking about a program to "study" antisocial homes where they were discussing a pilot program where they would install CCTV's in several thousand target homes.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-in s ide-private-homes/

Pretty loose association, but it's not too far off to see an administrator getting overzealous and a troubled teenager is right in line with the content of this article.

Basically, it would be up to the family to fight it, and in a country where you have no civil rights, that can get sticky.
 
2013-01-23 08:04:50 PM  

computerguyUT: The fastest thing I can find is a Wired article talking about a program to "study" antisocial homes where they were discussing a pilot program where they would install CCTV's in several thousand target homes.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-in s ide-private-homes/

Pretty loose association, but it's not too far off to see an administrator getting overzealous and a troubled teenager is right in line with the content of this article.

Basically, it would be up to the family to fight it, and in a country where you have no civil rights, that can get sticky.


The very article you linked to posts a correction admitting they, and the Express who they got it from, got it wrong.

UPDATE: Further research shows that the Express didn't quite have all its facts straight. This scheme is active, and the numbers are fairly accurate (if estimated), but the mentions of actual cameras in people's homes are exaggerated. The truth is that the scheme can take the most troublesome families out of their homes and move them, temporarily, to a neutral, government-run compound. Here they will be under 24-hour supervision. CCTV cameras are not specifically mentioned, not are they denied, but 24-hour "supervision" certainly doesn't rule this out from the camera-loving Brits.

So no cameras in anyone's home. I have not seen a single instance of this reported ever, and it would be big news if it ever happened.
 
2013-01-23 08:06:33 PM  

dbirchall: What about making sure your telly is properly licensed, and also the penguin?


TV Licencing actually don't have any power of entry, unless they have enough evidence to get a Magistrate to grant a warrant. But it's like the US, you don't mess around with the governments ability to collect tax. That's what they got Al Capone for.
 
2013-01-23 08:07:12 PM  

dbirchall: What about making sure your telly is properly licensed, and also the penguin?


BURMA!
/I panicked.
 
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