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(My San Antonio)   Getting caught in a prostitution sting could jeopardize your job if, like these guys, you're a middle-school teacher, an on-duty EMT looking for underage sex, or best of all, the now-former receptionist at the Sheriff's office   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 47
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2013-01-23 08:38:06 AM
Got your public shaming fix for the day, subby?
 
2013-01-23 09:30:03 AM
ChrisHansen.jpg
 
2013-01-23 09:32:05 AM
run on sentences anyone?
 
2013-01-23 09:32:20 AM
Legalize Whoring now
 
2013-01-23 09:36:03 AM
The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".
 
2013-01-23 09:36:38 AM
Sammiches, kitchen, whore mouth, etc and something about feminaziism.
 
2013-01-23 09:39:45 AM
reillan:  "please come sleep with me, here's some money"

AKA dating

or

"please come sleep with me, here's all of my money" aka marraige.
 
2013-01-23 09:40:24 AM

reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".


THIS

Also, FTA: "Sen. Leticia Van de Putte, D-San Antonio..."

"Putte" is pretty close to "pute" (from "putain"), which is French for "whore". I'm lovin' it (although it's probably pronounced "pewt" or "poot").
 
2013-01-23 09:42:10 AM
"Web sites such as Backpage.com."

Backdoor.com, Backyard.com, BackInAMinute.com, BackMeUp.com, BackInAFlash.com -- all sting websites?
 
2013-01-23 09:42:12 AM
Bingo!

Oh...wait...dammit!
I didn't get "working-mom"
 
2013-01-23 09:42:12 AM
Prostitution isn't illegal because you're paying for sex. You always lose money on a woman. It's because there's no exchange of emotion. And biatches hate that.
 
2013-01-23 09:43:03 AM
The men pictured all look like the kind of dudes that pay for sex......................stereotypes are stereotypes because they are true.

/Prostitution should be legal
 
2013-01-23 09:44:25 AM
Or, you know, governor of New York State.
 
2013-01-23 09:45:39 AM
There's something about that sheriff that makes me want her to pull me over, iffen you grok my meaning.
 
2013-01-23 09:45:58 AM

reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".


These human traffickers must be really good at what they do, because there's very little evidence for widespread human trafficking in America. It happens, but the cases are in the hundreds per year.

Article on the 'evidence' for a widespread human trafficking problem
 
2013-01-23 09:46:42 AM
I love how they round out the slide show with a group of man hating lesbians
 
2013-01-23 09:46:49 AM
I'm surprised the FBI wasn't involved in this
 
2013-01-23 09:47:23 AM

Fissile: The men pictured all look like the kind of dudes that pay for sex......................stereotypes are stereotypes because they are true.

/Prostitution should be legal


So...what's their fark handles?
 
2013-01-23 09:48:52 AM

Fissile: The men pictured all look like the kind of dudes that pay for sex......................stereotypes are stereotypes because they are true.

/Prostitution should be legal


It looks like the politics tab was slow that day, and a few FarLibtards ventured out of their mom's basement.
 
2013-01-23 09:49:16 AM
Not to be insensitive toward these poor victimized men, but... this sting caught 46 people.  Of those 46, 43 of them were smart enough to have lives where it just wasn't newsworthy for them to be around whores.  These three, though, apparently never stopped to think "Gosh, given the combination of my job and my hobby, if I ever get caught, the media's going to eat it up."

All kinds of people do all kinds of things in this world, but the ones we hear about - if not here on Fark, in the media as a whole - are the ones in positions where they'd really be expected to know better.  In today's news, we've got these guys, the wife-murdering pastor, what else?  I saw a story out of NY about a former prosecutor getting busted for selling drugs to an undercover cop.  A few days ago there was the South African story about a guy who did a citizen's arrest on a cop who was driving drunk.  And so on.
 
2013-01-23 09:49:31 AM

reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".


Except those that provide these services are often the victims of Human trafficking/sex slavery,.

10 Worse states for human trafficking

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Even in countries in which prostitution is legal the human trafficking/slavery side is still a problem.
Human trafficking in Germany

It is not always a "victimless crime"
 
2013-01-23 09:50:22 AM
"What a lot of this (prostitution) boils down to is trafficking of human beings in sexual slavery,"


This is the new "line" in the argument against legalizing prostitution. Since there is some trafficking, then all prostitution is trafficking.

It's like the War on Drugs all over again: smoke pot and you're supporting drug war murders.

This sort of thing happens when they realize they're losing the battle, that people don't believe an activity should be a crime. So they demonize by ridiculous statements.

Making prostitution legal would get rid of a lot more trafficking than keeping it illegal and completely underground does. But once again, like in the War on Drugs, we learn nothing from applicable history, i.e. Prohibition, and give in to the religious right.
 
2013-01-23 09:53:46 AM

hasty ambush: Even in countries in which prostitution is legal the human trafficking/slavery side is still a problem.
Human trafficking in Germany

It is not always a "victimless crime"


It's crazy to think considering prostitution is legal in Germany. If you think about it though, there are always people who don't want to pay for legal prostitutes and or they like the idea of someone not willing.

I had no idea MA was that bad, I heard Maine was.
 
2013-01-23 09:54:46 AM

badhatharry: reillan:  "please come sleep with me, here's some money"

AKA dating

or

"please come sleep with me, here's all of my money" aka marraige.


Sometimes, you don't have to be married for them to be a leech on you financially. My last relationship was like that. I also found out that she used to take money for sex in college to boot!

/CSB
 
2013-01-23 09:55:47 AM
Ooh, my state is one of the worst for human trafficking... in the form of companies paying for people's work visas and then taking it out of their farm-labor paychecks.  But hey, that's almost like prostitution - somebody's still getting farked.
 
2013-01-23 09:56:35 AM

Christian Bale: "What a lot of this (prostitution) boils down to is trafficking of human beings in sexual slavery,"


This is the new "line" in the argument against legalizing prostitution. Since there is some trafficking, then all prostitution is trafficking.

It's like the War on Drugs all over again: smoke pot and you're supporting drug war murders.

This sort of thing happens when they realize they're losing the battle, that people don't believe an activity should be a crime. So they demonize by ridiculous statements.

Making prostitution legal would get rid of a lot more trafficking than keeping it illegal and completely underground does. But once again, like in the War on Drugs, we learn nothing from applicable history, i.e. Prohibition, and give in to the religious right.


Yep.

The game of history is often played by the best and the worst over the heads of those in the middle.
 
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2013-01-23 09:59:21 AM

badhatharry: reillan:  "please come sleep with me, here's some money"

AKA dating

or

"please come sleep with me, here's all of my money" aka marraige.


Oh snap. I would laugh if this weren't SO DAMNED TRUE!!!!
 
2013-01-23 10:00:09 AM
Lucy Moran, played by Kimmy Robertson, is a high-voiced, childlike blonde receptionist at the Twin Peaks' sheriff's department. She is seeing deputy sheriff Andy Brennan, until they have an argument. She reveals later that she was also seeing Dick Tremayne, who works at Horne's Department Store, after feeling frustrated with Andy. Lucy gets pregnant, which turns out to be the reason why she and Andy have been fighting. The paternity of the child is called into question when Andy reveals that he cannot be the father of the baby, due to low sperm count. He gets retested and finds out that he in fact could have been the father. This sparks off a competition between Andy and Dick Tremayne, both vying for Lucy's affection and the role of father to her child. This includes adopting "Little Nicky" through the Big Brothers program. After some particularly rude behavior from Dick, Lucy decides not to wait for the baby to be born in order to determine paternity and chooses Andy as the father of her child.
 
2013-01-23 10:01:09 AM
Meh. Hit it when you can get it.


Did the EMT dude purposefully seek out someone underage or was that just a pleasant surprise for him?
 
2013-01-23 10:04:50 AM

hasty ambush: reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".

Except those that provide these services are often the victims of Human trafficking/sex slavery,.

10 Worse states for human trafficking

[pnn.s3.amazonaws.com image 531x409]

Even in countries in which prostitution is legal the human trafficking/slavery side is still a problem.
Human trafficking in Germany

It is not always a "victimless crime"


Yes, but it's not the guys hiring the service that are causing the problem. It's like going to pawn shops looking for golf clubs. You're going to find some in every pawn shop you go to. Some of those shops will have bought stolen clubs, some will be from the original owners themselves. The supply of both stolen and non-stolen goods will exist regardless of where you buy. We could crack down on pawn shops and not allow any of them to operate, but that's only going to make it harder for thieves to get money - it's not going to stop the theft. Likewise, cracking down on the guys hiring prostitutes is only going to make it harder for the human traffickers to make money - it's not going to stop them, and it's not really going to be that much harder for them to make money.

What they should be doing instead is hiring prostitutes and tracking them back to their pimps to see if there's human trafficking involved. Of course, I'm also all for legalizing prostitution to help curb this problem...
 
2013-01-23 10:08:20 AM

hasty ambush: reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".

Except those that provide these services are often the victims of Human trafficking/sex slavery,.

10 Worse states for human trafficking

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In the US there is a FAR greater chance that she's hooking because she is a drug addict, not because she's a sex slave.

Your chart is very much out of whack as it includes "Labor trafficing" (a far worse problem in the US) and the amount of "training" LEOs get on Human trafficing.

Seriously our sex trafficing prblems are mostly along the border and swaping little boys. If you encounter a white or black hooker in a city in any state that doesn't border Mexico, she's probably after Meth or heroin money.
 
2013-01-23 10:12:28 AM

Christian Bale: "What a lot of this (prostitution) boils down to is trafficking of human beings in sexual slavery,"


This is the new "line" in the argument against legalizing prostitution. Since there is some trafficking, then all prostitution is trafficking.

It's like the War on Drugs all over again: smoke pot and you're supporting drug war murders.

This sort of thing happens when they realize they're losing the battle, that people don't believe an activity should be a crime. So they demonize by ridiculous statements.

Making prostitution legal would get rid of a lot more trafficking than keeping it illegal and completely underground does. But once again, like in the War on Drugs, we learn nothing from applicable history, i.e. Prohibition, and give in to the religious right.


This seems like it would be true. Unfortunately, legalizing prostitution does not stop human trafficking, nor does it really stem the flow. I just finished reading "Human Trafficking: A Global Perspective," by Louise Shelley. It was a very good book written from a research point of view, quoting statistics from many different sources, that examines the business side of human trafficking rather than focusing on individual stories. In the Netherlands, where prostitution is legal, human trafficking is still a major problem. NL is both a destination and a transit country for trafficked women. In western countries where there is not a large wealth disparity, there is not enough supply of domestic women to fill the demand for prostitution. Trafficking helps fill the gap by keeping a steady supply of prostitutes for the high demand in western nations. The legalization of prostitution in NL has made it easier for traffickers to hide their activities in the legitimate business. That is not to say that legalizing prostitution was overall a bad thing, but it didn't solve many of the problems.
 
2013-01-23 10:14:48 AM

reillan:

What they should be doing instead is hiring prostitutes and tracking them back to their pimps to see if there's human trafficking involved.


I bet if they used this idea with guns they could TOTALLY figure out where illegal guns came from!
 
2013-01-23 10:22:51 AM
This form of "justice" encouraging the media to publish these arrests is really basically "Guilty until proven guilty."

Even if you are found 100% innocent, you have still been punished - You'll never get your job back, other family relationships would be ruined, you are forever a suspect, you may wind up on one or more sex-offender registers...

And good luck in getting compensation for these wrongs even if you are innocent. Cops and DA's are trusted (by the stupid) way too much, they have zero incentive to actually "serve" the public, they have zero conscience and they close ranks and can lawyer up better than you.

It's not justice. It's vengeance, guaranteeing a steady supply of inmates for the prison system. So much for "The land of the free".
 
2013-01-23 10:23:41 AM
Every one of those women in the photos looks like she has a dusty vee-jay-jay
 
2013-01-23 10:30:57 AM

kendelrio: reillan:

What they should be doing instead is hiring prostitutes and tracking them back to their pimps to see if there's human trafficking involved.

I bet if they used this idea with guns they could TOTALLY figure out where illegal guns came from!


yes, if we stopped gimping the ATF, we might be able to do that. Except that it's illegal for us to track guns in this way, currently.
 
2013-01-23 10:39:00 AM

reillan: !

yes, if we stopped gimping the ATF, we might be able to do that. Except that it's illegal for us to track guns in this way, currently.


So it's legal to track humans this way?
 
2013-01-23 11:03:37 AM

reillan: kendelrio: reillan:

What they should be doing instead is hiring prostitutes and tracking them back to their pimps to see if there's human trafficking involved.

I bet if they used this idea with guns they could TOTALLY figure out where illegal guns came from!

yes, if we stopped gimping the ATF, we might be able to do that. Except that it's illegal for us to track guns in this way, currently.


You wanna know why the ATF is gimped?

You can read about it here.

Some choice quotes from that Congressional report:

Based upon these hearings it is apparent that enforcement tactics made possible by current federal firearms laws are constitutionally, legally, and practically reprehensible. Although Congress adopted the Gun Control Act with the primary object of limiting access of felons and high-risk groups to firearms, the overbreadth of the law has led to neglect of precisely this area of enforcement.
...
The Subcommittee received evidence that BATF has primarily devoted its firearms enforcement efforts to the apprehension, upon technical malum prohibitum charges, of individuals who lack all criminal intent and knowledge. ...
Even the Bureau's own valuations indicate that the value of firearms confiscated by their agents is over twice the value which the Bureau has claimed is typical of "street guns" used in crime. In recent months, the average value has increased rather than decreased, indicating that the reforms announced by the Bureau have not in fact redirected their agents away from collector's items and toward guns used in crime.
...
In several cases, the Bureau has sought conviction for supposed technical violations based upon policies and interpretations of law which the Bureau had not published in the Federal Register, as required by 5 U.S.C. 552.


This one is especially bad:

The Constitution Subcommittee also received evidence that the Bureau has formulated a requirement, of which dealers were not informed that requires a dealer to keep official records of sales even from his private collection. BATF has gone farther than merely failing to publish this requirement. At one point, even as it was prosecuting a dealer on this charge (admitting that he had no criminal intent), the Director of the Bureau wrote Senator S. I. Hayakawa to indicate that there was no such legal requirement and it was completely lawful for a dealer to sell from his collection without recording it. Since that date, the Director of the Bureau has stated that that is not the Bureau's position and that such sales are completely illegal; after making that statement, however, he was quoted in an interview for a magazine read primarily by licensed firearms dealers as stating that such sales were in fact legal and permitted by the Bureau. In these and similar areas, the Bureau has violated not only the dictates of common sense, but of 5 U.S.C. 552, which was intended to prevent "secret lawmaking" by administrative bodies.

In other words, the ATF came up with a regulation, but didn't publish it as required by law, and they were prosecuting people for it. They then lied to a Senator saying the regulation didn't exist, then they said it did exist, but they published something in a magazine read by licensed dealers saying the regulation didn't exist.

It's behavior like that that led to the ATF being gimped by law, and rightly so.
 
2013-01-23 11:09:00 AM
So instead of fixing the ATF, we simply made it impossible for them to do anything useful.

Yeah, that sounds about right.
 
2013-01-23 11:11:10 AM
"What a lot of this (prostitution) boils down to is trafficking of human beings in sexual slavery,"
-=-
So you act like a whore to bust the user, instead of going after the trafficker?

And how long has this failed war been going on?

Seems to me it's time for legalizing Brothels that can be taxed and regulated.
Wouldn't YOU feel safer going to a Brothel than picking some skank?
 
2013-01-23 11:52:49 AM

reillan: So instead of fixing the ATF, we simply made it impossible for them to do anything useful.

Yeah, that sounds about right.


Remember that the 1986 FOPA was an attempt to fix the ATF by reigning them in.

How do you fix an organization that where both the very top, and the very bottom, and those in-between are colluding to violate the law?

How about documented "testilying" in court, that is admitted to openly in training sessions? In that case, the agent in question said they certify that the NFA database is 100% accurate in court, when in fact it was as bad as 50% in error at one point, and even after major improvements the error rate was still 8%, and the "critical error rate" was 3%.

Sworn police officers testifying in court that something is 100% accurate when in fact it's only 50%, 92%, or even 97% accurate is an affront to the American judicial system.
 
2013-01-23 12:27:23 PM

hasty ambush: reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".

Except those that provide these services are often the victims of Human trafficking/sex slavery,.

10 Worse states for human trafficking

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Those rankings are based on what state legislatures are doing about human trafficking, not on reported incidents of human trafficking.  "10 Worst States For Not Doing What We Want" is more like it.
 
2013-01-23 03:26:41 PM

dittybopper: Sworn police officers testifying in court that something is 100% accurate when in fact it's only 50%, 92%, or even 97% accurate is an affront to the American judicial system.


Nah, it's pretty much right on-par with the rest of the judicial system.
 
2013-01-23 03:38:55 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Your chart is very much out of whack as it includes "Labor trafficing" (a far worse problem in the US) and the amount of "training" LEOs get on Human trafficing.

Seriously our sex trafficing prblems are mostly along the border and swaping little boys. If you encounter a white or black hooker in a city in any state that doesn't border Mexico, she's probably after Meth or heroin money


Simply not true. Sex trafficking in children alone makes up 40% of the FBI case load in trafficking and it is nation wide problem


FBI -Human Trafficking

FBI: Child Sex Trafficking at 'Epidemic' Levels
I am not arguing against legalization of prostitution but stop pretending like it is the solution to the problem. Just as legalizing pot is not going to result in some economic windfall, legalizing prostitution is not going to solve the human trafficking /slavery problem.
 
2013-01-23 04:55:49 PM

hasty ambush: ...
I am not arguing against legalization of prostitution but stop pretending like it is the solution to the problem. Just as legalizing pot is not going to result in some economic windfall, legalizing prostitution is not going to solve the human trafficking /slavery problem.


Yes it's not the solution to the problem because it's not the cause of the problem. There's human trafficking in pretty much every low end industry in the nation.

I really, really despise when they make terms ambiguous for their own agenda.

hasty ambush: reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".

Except those that provide these services are often the victims of Human trafficking/sex slavery,.

10 Worse states for human trafficking

[pnn.s3.amazonaws.com image 531x409]

Even in countries in which prostitution is legal the human trafficking/slavery side is still a problem.
Human trafficking in Germany

It is not always a "victimless crime"


I don't get what you are saying here. It should not be a crime in the first place is the point, human trafficking and (virtual) slavery should be, regardless of what the occupation is. Should I feel bad for hiring a maid?

When you think about it, it's even worse that it's a crime those that are forced into it are also victimized by a system that will label them for life so they never have a chance to get out if they could.
 
2013-01-24 12:21:42 AM

reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".


They've got to keep manufacturing white baptist outrage in order to keep their jobs.
 
2013-01-24 07:23:48 AM

ParaHandy: reillan: The article was really all about human trafficking, but let's face it, that's not what these guys were guilty of... they were guilty of trying to hire a service that our country deems illegal. It bothers me a lot that the writer and prosecutors equate "please come sleep with me, here's some money" with "I'm going to lock you in my dungeon and only let you out to sleep with others for money".

They've got to keep manufacturing white baptist outrage in order to keep their jobs.


The fact that those they hire to provide that service might be forced into "providing" it does not seem to bother you guys at all.

Tell me exactly what is your screening process to determine if the prostitute you hire is providing the service of her/his own free will or is being forced to by her/his owner or pimp?

Or is being complicit in slavery secondary to getting your rocks off?
 
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