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(Daily Mail)   US: Let's make planes invisible to radar to sneak up on our enemies. China: Well we have a cheaper alternative, we make radar think it's a passenger liner which no one suspects before it launches the missile   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 97
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2013-01-22 10:34:51 PM  
OK, good luck with that guys.
 
2013-01-22 10:37:06 PM  
Thanks for telling us what to look for, Seaman Jones.
 
2013-01-22 10:39:25 PM  
RTFA subby, it is a visual cloak, says nothing about radar.  BTW, you don't need to see an aircraft to shoot it down, and there are multiple methods of identifying whether the aircraft is friend or foe.
 
2013-01-22 10:49:29 PM  
When most of your weapons are BVR, that's not terribly helpful.
 
2013-01-22 10:56:15 PM  
I suppose this means we're going to need another carrier group
 
2013-01-22 11:05:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I suppose this means we're going to need another carrier group


Nope.  It's not calculated that way.
 
2013-01-22 11:27:44 PM  
Big difference when stealth technology makes the attacking air craft look like a small flock of birds compared to making it look like a flying banana.

Plus I seen those pictures off a science channel special that's already a few years old.
 
2013-01-23 12:15:38 AM  
Tally ho on two '57 Chevies, Puff the magic dragon, and the Enterprise D. Angels 22
 
2013-01-23 12:20:00 AM  
headline hurt brain
 
2013-01-23 12:20:10 AM  
I seem to recall reading of 1950's "light kits" for B-52 bombers that made them look like commercial airliners from a distance.

No idea if that is true or not.
 
2013-01-23 12:27:04 AM  

knbber2: RTFA subby, it is a visual cloak, says nothing about radar.  BTW, you don't need to see an aircraft to shoot it down, and there are multiple methods of identifying whether the aircraft is friend or foe.


This. Something like this might have been useful WWII/Korean War era. Today not so much.
 
2013-01-23 12:57:43 AM  
Don't fire!  That's an unscheduled passenger jet coming from the country we are at war with, what harm could it do?
 
2013-01-23 01:11:26 AM  

knbber2: RTFA subby, it is a visual cloak, says nothing about radar.


Fark the military application. This is a key part of holodeck technology. SELL THAT SHIAT.
 
2013-01-23 01:13:57 AM  

ShawnDoc: Don't fire!  That's an unscheduled passenger jet coming from the country we are at war with, what harm could it do?


Maybe it's a cargo plane

/Supplies!!
 
2013-01-23 01:32:22 AM  
This is a terrible idea. This would provide next to zero advantage and it would encourage hostile nations to shoot down commercial aircraft (which has already happened way too often).

I cannot express how dumb this is. Next up.... Army vehicles disguised as Red Cross trucks!
 
2013-01-23 02:53:12 AM  
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2013-01-23 03:00:37 AM  

calbert: headline hurt brain


Google Translate from the Chinese original into Korean then into Tagalog and then into English.
Try it in reverse. It all makes sense then.
 
2013-01-23 03:04:03 AM  
So make all Chinese planes go through a TSA naked missle scanner before they take off.
 
2013-01-23 03:10:48 AM  

b2theory: This is a terrible idea. This would provide next to zero advantage and it would encourage hostile nations to shoot down commercial aircraft (which has already happened way too often).

I cannot express how dumb this is. Next up.... Army vehicles disguised as Red Cross trucks!


There's a reason Geneva banned such practices.
 
2013-01-23 03:50:15 AM  

NowhereMon: OK, good luck with that guys.


THIS! SO VERY MUCH THIS!

Photons are not exactly stable so getting a simulated image to look nearly perfect, while moving, would be considered a Quadruple hat-trick.

So good luck with that guys!
 
2013-01-23 04:05:27 AM  
They've finally developed the technology to make 9/11 conspiracy theorists happy.
 
2013-01-23 04:07:05 AM  
"Sir, we just picked up a flight of supersonic 707's. Should we raise the alarm?"

"No, everything seems to be in order."

Conversations that will never happen....
 
2013-01-23 04:11:14 AM  

0Icky0: calbert: headline hurt brain

Google Translate from the Chinese original into Korean then into Tagalog and then into English.
Try it in reverse. It all makes sense then.


...if you can read Chinese.
 
2013-01-23 04:12:04 AM  

MrEricSir: They've finally developed the technology to make 9/11 conspiracy theorists happy.


As soon as they develop time travel, it will all make sense. You'll see.
 
2013-01-23 04:15:14 AM  
Because passenger liners have never been used as weapons before.
 
2013-01-23 04:15:27 AM  

knbber2: RTFA subby, it is a visual cloak, says nothing about radar.  BTW, you don't need to see an aircraft to shoot it down, and there are multiple methods of identifying whether the aircraft is friend or foe.


IFF, guessing, assuming everyone is a target, targeting Euro planes.

These are all accepted strategies.
 
2013-01-23 04:16:30 AM  
Why not just make the plane appear to be about two wingspans to the left of where it really is? That way heat-seeking missiles just hit the empty air.
 
2013-01-23 04:27:55 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Why not just make the plane appear to be about two wingspans to the left of where it really is? That way heat-seeking missiles just hit the empty air.


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2013-01-23 04:31:30 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Why not just make the plane appear to be about two wingspans to the left of where it really is? That way heat-seeking missiles just hit the empty air.


Because you touch yourself in church when the priests ignore you.
 
2013-01-23 04:39:05 AM  
Those hive mind monkeys already make something that looks incredibly much like a plane; the J-15.

/chortle at Chinese aviation
 
2013-01-23 04:39:31 AM  
Why would China want to attack itself?

What?
 
2013-01-23 05:00:46 AM  
The crew of the USS Vincennes say hi
 
2013-01-23 05:01:33 AM  
HA HA! Joke's on you, China! We've had experience in shooting down airliners too! Just ask Iran.
 
2013-01-23 05:02:32 AM  

fisker: Why would China want to attack itself?

What?


They are just preparing for when the North Koreans reveal their 21st century super-advanced army and air force for their undoubtedly successful invasion of China.

\man it was hard to type that without laughing too hard to finish.
 
2013-01-23 05:03:56 AM  
Just like fighting while drunk: aim for the one in the middle.
 
2013-01-23 05:05:35 AM  

mr_a: I seem to recall reading of 1950's "light kits" for B-52 bombers that made them look like commercial airliners from a distance.

No idea if that is true or not.


During the war in Vietnam, B-52s used to pack tiny "Quail" drones that gave off an EM signature that looked like a flight of B-52s on Soviet tech radar systems. A clever way to freak out Charlie's early warning system and send MIGs & SAMS off on a wild goose chase.

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2013-01-23 05:24:02 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: That way heat-seeking missiles just hit the empty air.


Uh......


The article seems like it's talking about visible light. The headline is talking about radar and you are talking about infrared.


These are all different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and I assume would take different technology to fool.
 
2013-01-23 05:56:25 AM  

TV's Vinnie: During the war in Vietnam, B-52s used to pack tiny "Quail" drones that gave off an EM signature that looked like a flight of B-52s on Soviet tech radar systems. A clever way to freak out Charlie's early warning system and send MIGs & SAMS off on a wild goose chase.


That's a countermeasure not unlike chaff or flares. The difference is that they know (or should know) that there's a threat just not where it is exactly. What TFA is talking about is more akin to painting a tank to look like a ambulance, which (as mentioned above) is 100% against the Geneva Conventions.
 
2013-01-23 05:58:20 AM  
hmm, China has new technology. Perhaps WE can help pay for THIER leader's reelection campaign and they will give it to us.

/ worked for them.
 
2013-01-23 06:14:53 AM  

vygramul: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I suppose this means we're going to need another carrier group

Nope.  It's not calculated that way.


No kidding. In order to keep the current ratio, we'll need more like four or five more carrier groups.
=Smidge=
 
2013-01-23 06:20:28 AM  

Some Michigander: "Sir, we just picked up a flight of supersonic 707's. Should we raise the alarm?"

"No, everything seems to be in order."

Conversations that will never happen....


Fly subsonic until you are so close that "they" won't be able to launch their jets in time?
 
2013-01-23 06:21:37 AM  
Remembers that on 9/11 we we getting ready to shoot down our own airliners....
 
2013-01-23 06:47:57 AM  
Because passenger jets just fly around willy-nilly and no one ever knows where they're supposed to be or where they're going. So this should totally work.
 
2013-01-23 06:59:18 AM  
Not useful for an actual fighter or bomber but excellent for decoys that look like fighters or bombers.
 
2013-01-23 07:15:43 AM  
Last time I checked modern fighter pilots weren't using visual confirmation before launching on a target, you know since most of the time they engage long before they can actually see the target. All that dog fighting you saw in top gun only happens if things get seriously messed up during a major engagement. This is all doubly true if there is an AWACS in the area.
 
2013-01-23 07:28:01 AM  

I sound fat: hmm, China has new technology.


Paint is a new technology?
 
2013-01-23 07:36:58 AM  
Radar fark ups are what make most long range weapons useless as it is.
But in a time of open war, behavior will decide what gets attacked and what doesn't.
If you break from the flight plan to head for the nearest carrier group, it will probably trigger a nasty response.

/After 911, the whole idea of ignoring threats posed by passenger jets kind of went by the wayside.
/You can't put it beyond suicide bombers to use one as a giant missile.
 
2013-01-23 07:45:19 AM  
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LOL, because that will stop us. We shoot down actual passenger liners and hand out medals for it.
 
2013-01-23 08:10:14 AM  

ib_thinkin: MrEricSir: They've finally developed the technology to make 9/11 conspiracy theorists happy.

As soon as they developed time travel, it will all make made sense. You'll see remember?.


Will fix that for you.
/not enough coffee
 
2013-01-23 08:15:56 AM  
Headline: US: Let's make planes invisible to radar to sneak up on our enemies. China: Well we have a cheaper alternative, we make radar think it's a passenger liner which no one suspects before it launches the missile

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I have an even cheaper alternative: use passenger liners. The weapon will have the added benefit of inducing the enemy to incur trillions of dollars of additional costs for little gain in the aftermath.
 
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