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(Guardian)   Japan's Finance Minister says the elderly should "hurry up and die". He's 72   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 31
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2013-01-23 05:18:40 AM
4 votes:
www.filmofilia.com
2013-01-23 12:37:16 AM
3 votes:
Here you are, Minister
24.media.tumblr.com
Please... proceed

/lead by example
2013-01-23 12:17:55 PM
2 votes:

Mdm. Wonton Baptiste: DubtodaIll: While this is a little outrageous to us in the west, I'm curious as to how many people in Japan share his viewpoint? I studied abroad in Tokyo and one of my professions, Jeff Kingston (the guy NPR always interviews whenever there's something going on in Japan, and a brilliant guy all round) spent some class time discussing this word in Japanese, which escapes me, that roughly translates in to "throw grandmother off the cliff." It's an historic principle of Japanese society that when times get tight then the elderly are expected to be the first to sacrifice themselves because they've had a good long go at life already and so therefore have the least the sacrifice at that point. This Aso guy is being a bit blunt about it but I'm not sure how inflammatory his words actually are within Japan itself.

It would be nice to be able to keep people alive for as long as they'd like, but resources are not limitless and a balance needs to be struck between what is affordable and what is possible.

ubasute (sp?) I believe

/agrees with the idea


Ubasute is correct.

Ubasute (姥捨て?, lit. "abandoning an old woman", also called "obasute" and sometimes "oyasute") refers to the custom allegedly performed in Japan in the distant past, whereby an infirm or elderly relative was carried to a mountain, or some other remote, desolate place, and left there to die, either by dehydration, starvation, or exposure. The practice was allegedly most common during times of drought and famine, and was sometimes mandated by feudal officials.

In modern Japan a robot would of course carry the old woman to the mountain.
2013-01-23 10:35:48 AM
2 votes:
www.bigwowo.com
2013-01-23 08:20:32 AM
2 votes:
He's absolutely correct, subby, and we need more of this attitude in the US. He's not talking about healthy, independent seniors; he's talking about brain dead people being kept alive on life support. We have this hubris of imagining that dying is optional, and so we spend 50% of all health care money on end-of-life "care." If we just let people go when it was there time, it would go enormously far to lower health costs, plus we could lower Medicare taxes substantially, which would benefit the economy.

We have a stupid religious devotion to keeping hearts beating as long as possible in our culture, and it needs to end. When it's my time, I will go with dignity, not kicking and screaming like a child.
2013-01-23 04:55:12 AM
2 votes:

howdoibegin: Where's the hypocrisy? He said he thought people should die of natural causes without extended end of life care, and said he would refuse said care. Maybe I missed the part where years lived equals some kind of cosmic score.


But... But... But... He wants people not to get to 120 while bed bound and artificially kept alive by 6 different machines for the past 30 years!
2013-01-23 04:47:34 AM
2 votes:
Where's the hypocrisy? He said he thought people should die of natural causes without extended end of life care, and said he would refuse said care. Maybe I missed the part where years lived equals some kind of cosmic score.
2013-01-23 04:44:50 AM
2 votes:
Yoko Ono is going to be 80 in a couple of weeks.
2013-01-23 12:32:02 AM
2 votes:
Yeah, but isn't the median age for death in Japan somewhere around 107?
2013-01-23 12:22:32 AM
2 votes:
It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population.

He should come to the US. He'd fit right in with the current GOP.
2013-01-23 09:03:36 AM
1 votes:

Kibbler: I've read several comments here about how spending on boomers will destroy the nation. Nothing about $1.2 trillion annual spending on "national security" (or even more, depending on how you look at it). Not to mention low effective tax rates for the wealthy, corporate pork, continued Wild West environment in financial/banking industry.

It seems that, even among liberals, Republican propaganda is now mainstream. "Must slash social spending. Resistance is futile. No other way."


Well its all about the maths. We get 2.902 trillion from taxes, yet we spend 3.803 trillion or so (Or at least that's what the 2013 budget is suppose to be). Of that spending, the majority goes to social spending. 2,293 trillion or so. With the biggest expenses being Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security. Discretionary spending meanwhile is only 1,510 trillion. So when you look at the rising cost of social spending, its pretty easy to understand as it currently is it isn't sustainable. Especially if babyboomers tap the SS well dry.
2013-01-23 08:47:39 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Unless you are speaking solely about the chronically bedridden, this is nonsense. Old people still consume and that contributes demand to the economy.


Consumption financed by debt is not beneficial for the economy. You are suggesting that it would be economically advantageous for poor countries to start borrowing money to keep their elderly, retired population (who by definition produce nothing) alive. Surely this should set off some common sense alarms, right?
2013-01-23 08:21:36 AM
1 votes:
If he does not resign soon from public pressure, the culture there, it is a sign the culture has changed a lot. They used to like old people.
2013-01-23 08:12:32 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Kibbler: ...When the Boomers retire, they will begin pulling their retirement savings from their 401k accounts which are currently packed to the gills with stocks. As they sell stocks, the stock markets will sink, and the economy will crater worse than in the Great Depression.


Where do they think they can put their money in Uncle Ben's 0% interest world? They'll be eaten alive at 1-2% a year when their cd's are at less than 3% and inflation hangs at 4%.
2013-01-23 07:47:20 AM
1 votes:
I've read several comments here about how spending on boomers will destroy the nation. Nothing about $1.2 trillion annual spending on "national security" (or even more, depending on how you look at it). Not to mention low effective tax rates for the wealthy, corporate pork, continued Wild West environment in financial/banking industry.

It seems that, even among liberals, Republican propaganda is now mainstream. "Must slash social spending. Resistance is futile. No other way."
2013-01-23 07:37:38 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: fusillade762: It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population.

He should come to the US. He'd fit right in with the current GOP.

No, the current GOP says we should protect the government benefits we provide to the current and soon-to-become elderly and shove giant rods up the anuses of the people who will become elderly in more than ten years.


You know who else said entitlements need reform? Obama 2010.

Liberals know entitlement growth is unsustainable growing at double the rate of gdp. They are simply more interested in their politics.
2013-01-23 07:32:45 AM
1 votes:
"Why should I have to pay for people who just eat and drink and make no effort? I walk every day and do other things, but I'm paying more in taxes."

This is why I don't understand why people think it would be a good idea to have universal government coverage. As soon as that happens, people start realizing that we're all paying for everyone else's healthcare and then they start biatching about it. Your personal health issues suddenly become the business of everyone else because they're paying for it. I say everyone pays for their own health care as individuals. That gives them the freedom to live and die however they want without having to answer anyone, and the rest of us don't have to worry about how Joe Bob is living his life and how we're going to pay for it.
2013-01-23 07:32:01 AM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: [www.filmofilia.com image 400x301]


In the spirit of the 70s:

blogs.amctv.com
2013-01-23 07:06:55 AM
1 votes:

howdoibegin: Where's the hypocrisy? He said he thought people should die of natural causes without extended end of life care, and said he would refuse said care. Maybe I missed the part where years lived equals some kind of cosmic score.


Near the end, so much of the "life extending treatments" are just barbaric. Keeping people hooked up to feeding tubes, breathing machines, and whatever else just to extend their life by a few weeks. All the while their body is just exhausting itself, fighting against the breathing machine, wanting to move but being unable because the machines require them to be strapped down, so drugged up there is barely anything resembling them left in their mind. And all the while they're using up tons of medical resources because their family is holding out for a miracle or something. No Thanks.

/have a living will that prevents this sort of abomination from happen to me.
2013-01-23 06:45:06 AM
1 votes:
Resettle the old people in towns along the coast line. Nature will take care of the rest.
2013-01-23 06:31:11 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population.

He should come to the US. He'd fit right in with the current GOP.


Old people tend to be one the Republican's (or pretty much any political party that paints themselves as "conservative") biggest voting blocs with all that "pining for the good old days" mentality that the old folks have. Yet the less-advantaged ones get screwed with inadequate pensions and horrific nursing homes. The chickens can always be counted on to vote for Col Sanders.

It's a fallacy that age=wisdom,
2013-01-23 05:41:40 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population.

He should come to the US. He'd fit right in with the current GOP.


lolwut? he's not white.
2013-01-23 05:30:52 AM
1 votes:
This fool shold be arrested and put on an island.

/He's already on an Island/?
??Nevermind
2013-01-23 05:12:29 AM
1 votes:

Apos: [0-media-cdn.foolz.us image 96x126]
"Aso love to troll!"


Who you carring an Aso, asso?
2013-01-23 05:09:56 AM
1 votes:
You know, for literally decades the debate about the elderly has amused me to no end. This yamsack gets a pass on my comment because he is elderly himself so he if the exception. But I love to hear what are mostly young people constantly biatch and moan about how the old people are a drain on society, they're useless, etc. What's so hilarious about them saying it (and I have noticed it's mostly those in their 20's) is how quickly they forget that it was these old worthless people that not long ago provided EVERYTHING to the people who are now complaining about them. Hey there mister hipster douchebag, when you were ten, you were pretty much a useless waste yourself. You didn't do anything productive for the country, just ate and consumed precious resources. Perhaps the best thing to do to fix everything is to eliminate anyone below the age of 19 and above the age of 40. Then the only people left will be the "productive" people who deserve to live.

  But the truly funny part about the young complaining about the old is that very soon that young person who hated old people is starting to look a little grey around the temples, their skin is starting to show signs of aging. Gasp, they are now wearing reading glasses and going to the doctor because things are starting to hurt. And before they realize it they have become the very people they hate so much. But wait, now that it is them who is the older generation all of a sudden Social Security is important, respect for elders is expected.

 See, it's amusing because you can't complain about old people without eventually becoming a hypocrite. It's always someone else's problem until it becomes your own. I really get bored of hearing twenty something douches complain about the elderly, when these are the very people that supported and raised them so they can have a good life. The elderly should be respected and cared for. Set the standard now and make it a good one, for not too far into the future it might be the very standard you set that you will have to live under.

/yeah, get of my lawn
//not that old yet, 46
///hope I make it to 95 and Pisa off every hipster douchebag in the country
2013-01-23 04:34:28 AM
1 votes:
pshh what are you stupid? He only meant the poor ones..
2013-01-23 04:34:16 AM
1 votes:
"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms.

Funny, since his family owns a big hospital in Iizuka which gets by nicely giving treatment paid for by the government.
2013-01-23 04:31:57 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: It is not the first time Aso, one of Japan's wealthiest politicians, has questioned the state's duty towards its large elderly population.

He should come to the US. He'd fit right in with the current GOP.


No, the current GOP says we should protect the government benefits we provide to the current and soon-to-become elderly and shove giant rods up the anuses of the people who will become elderly in more than ten years.
2013-01-23 01:45:11 AM
1 votes:
"Old" is "15 years more than your current age"

So in his view, anyone over 87 should go to that creepy suicide forest and never come back
2013-01-23 12:42:49 AM
1 votes:
0-media-cdn.foolz.us
"Aso love to troll!"
2013-01-23 12:42:47 AM
1 votes:
Oh, Jesus, I just RTFA.  This is former Prime Minister Aso, so that's probably the least offensive thing he said that day.
 
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