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(Independent Science News)   Undiscovered viral gene accidentally encoded in GM crops may have serious health impacts on humans, including RNA malformations that could turn us all in to purple-skinned tentacle-sporting, winged lizard people   (independentsciencenews.org) divider line 36
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2013-01-23 03:07:12 AM
12 votes:
Is There a Direct Human Toxicity Issue?
When Gene VI is intentionally expressed in transgenic plants, it causes them to become chlorotic (yellow), to have growth deformities, and to have reduced fertility in a dose-dependent manner (Ziljstra et al 1996). Plants expressing Gene VI also show gene expression abnormalities. These results indicate that, not unexpectedly given its known functions, the protein produced by Gene VI is functioning as a toxin and is harmful to plants (Takahashi et al 1989). Since the known targets of Gene VI activity (ribosomes and gene silencing) are also found in human cells, a reasonable concern is that the protein produced by Gene VI might be a human toxin. This is a question that can only be answered by future experiments.We don't have any idea, so read this scary sounding article instead because we we don't like genetically modified crops.
2013-01-23 12:14:13 AM
5 votes:
This result is proof of the principle. The principle is that Big Money neither knows nor cares about the future of the earth or its population where there is money to be made. Teh gummint is not going to change that principle, because too many politicians are owned by Big Money. Neither can the rest of us, because we have no real power. Yes, the future is screwed. It has been so since the industrial revolution. The only uncertainty is how much time it will take and whether humans will survive.
2013-01-23 07:08:18 AM
3 votes:

knowless: so yall do realise that "viral genes" are like diseases that transmit interpersonally and irrevocably alter your genetic makep right? like, the worst kind of potentially nonlethal disease possible?

it's not like it will contaminate the entire world food supply right? oh wait, .. whatevr.

fark all of you.


No, no they don't. Thats really not easy to do at all. Do they insert their genome into yours? Yes, where they infect some of them do. But its not so simple as "well, this material is in corn, so obviously it can infect you JUST LIKE A VIRUS." Viruses aren't composed of single genes and it takes a several mechanisms to facilitate infection, insertion, replication, etc. You can't just ingest (or even inject...) pieces of random genes and expect them to be successfully inserted.

Plus, it doesn't "irrevocably alter your genetic code forever." To get permanent genetic changes you have to have a germ-line level infection. The cells of your body are constantly in a cycle of birth, use, wearing out, and death. Depending on the tissue, cell-type, cell-damage from various factors, how fast or slow this occurs changes. To get permanent change you have to infect these "growing areas." Considering this is just a piece of a single gene, without the rest of the infection machinery, thats incredibly unlikely. Its even more unlikely when you take into account the human digestive tract has evolved to resist foreign interlopers. Its one of the few internal places in the body regularly exposed to the outside world and is not exactly a cuddly happy environment for non-hardy organisms, let alone bits of random genetic material.

/basic explanation for basic misunderstanding.
//was my biggest pet peeve with Bourne Legacy.
2013-01-23 07:02:15 AM
2 votes:
mixnmojo.com
2013-01-23 06:29:35 AM
2 votes:

Rustico: Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?


No, we should pay an arm and a leg for regulatory bodies because they prevented it, right? Right?
2013-01-23 05:21:12 AM
2 votes:
I've been vaccinated with autism, so I'm immune.
2013-01-22 10:39:14 PM
2 votes:
Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?
2013-01-23 03:57:19 PM
1 votes:

LesserEvil: Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.


Lowering world population, which is better for the environment and then Genetically Modified Agricultural Products wouldn't be needed.
2013-01-23 09:47:39 AM
1 votes:
i guarantee you noone reading this article knows what 35S is, what a gene fragment is, the difference between a gene and a gene product is, what leaky expression is, or that mostly all genomes in all higher species are pretty much nothing but viruses already. 35S has been used in the lab for over 30 years, scientists have probably noticed how to include it without having extra gene bits expressing themselves (in a variety of genetic backgrounds). my only wish and hope is that Monsanto's HR will enact a little 35S-near-total-constitutive-promotion behind reading my resume and hiring me.
2013-01-23 09:22:49 AM
1 votes:
are the evil scientists who made the devil corn lighter than a duck or not? I know they played god with nature, and that's already terribad. I just need to know if they are lighter than a duck.

I could not tell from the article.

/panic!
2013-01-23 08:42:10 AM
1 votes:

vinniethepoo: Hah, "Independent" Science News as in not peer-reviewed or even fact-checked (I'll bet.)


Basic background check: Neither author's name appears in a Scifinder or Google Scholar search.

Publication legitimacy check: Also, looking at the other articles on the site, yeah, this is a conspiracy theory site that focuses on making shiat up whole-cloth or scaremongering about GM food, nothing of actual substance, there.

Actual science check: the article seems confused as to the basic high-school biology level of how viruses work. Encoding viral DNA into other organisms is how viruses reproduce, they do it without any interference from human biologists, it's not terribly dangerous, and a substantial portion of your own genetic code consists of old viral DNA.

What they're talking about, if it's even true, is only of interest in establishing the pedigree of the crop in question, and has nothing to do with whether the crop is healthy/nutritious or not. Without the delivery system, i.e. the actual virus, DNA fragments don't have any way to get into your cells even if they _did_ survive the digestive tract.
2013-01-23 08:37:53 AM
1 votes:
Translated for your convenience:

When you make a GM crop, you insert foreign genes into an existing plant. To make those genes do something, you add a "promoter" -- a genetic sequence that controls where and when the gene is expressed ("does something").

The promoter in question is derived from a plant virus. It's not a "virus gene"; it's something the virus uses to control where it gets expressed in the plant it infects.

However, it includes a portion of a virus gene. In other words, part of this promoter is "spelled the same way" as a particular virus gene.

Normally, this wouldn't matter -- because of the way genetic machinery works, this sequence doesn't get transcribed and translated into a protein. However, genetic machinery is complex and sometimes error-prone, so it's conceivable that this sequence could actually produce viral protein fragments.

Is this a reason to panic? Well, it certainly is if you're a cauliflower, and might well be if you're another sort of plant. It's a plant virus. It makes plants sick.

This is bad for people -- specifically, seed suppliers and growers, who don't want sick plants. For consumers? That's a really, really big stretch.

Let's see what you're saying if you're claiming that this is dangerous to people. You're saying that scientists and their nefarious schemes have introduced this Evil Foreign DNA from one plant into another, something that could never ever happen In Nature -- but now, if you eat that plant, it'll kill you dead and then give you CANCER, because it's perfectly easy and natural for a plant virus to somehow leap into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KINGDOM and start infecting humans.

If you're comfortable with that level of selectivity in your suspension of disbelief, well, I'm sure TFA will make perfect sense to you. Personally, though, I'm seeing some pretty big holes in their arguments.
2013-01-23 08:34:46 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: Is this basically the equivalent of saying if a chick blows someone with cancer she can get it too or am i missing something?


That's about it. It's fearmongering bullshiat, as you might expect from the anti GMO nuts.

Also, subby should have gone with one eyed, one horned, flying purple people eater.
2013-01-23 08:31:55 AM
1 votes:
This would be concerning if our stomach acid didn't digest DNA.
2013-01-23 08:00:14 AM
1 votes:
Hah, "Independent" Science News as in not peer-reviewed or even fact-checked (I'll bet.)
2013-01-23 07:59:28 AM
1 votes:
Not a real science magazine. Check the tone of the articles. This is an anti-science magazine with an agenda.
One gene is not a virus, and they don't even say whether the protein has been found in the foodstuffs.
2013-01-23 07:49:23 AM
1 votes:

Kaydub: Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?


kidsdungeonadventure.com
2013-01-23 07:32:26 AM
1 votes:
Independent science news?

There is only two states. Science and not science. So if you are independent of science, that means constructing your own state of science news.

In other words, it isn't science news, it is whatever we want to think science news.

Not science.
2013-01-23 07:21:28 AM
1 votes:
There's not anything going into your mouth that's not wild fish that hasn't likely been the target of foraging ancestors plotting to make it fatter and tastier the old fashioned way. And those old fashioned ways? They're sometimes moderately to balls cringingly scary in outcome too, when you make potatoes that can't handle a specific pestilence that shows up and half the country starves or something.
2013-01-23 06:55:04 AM
1 votes:

untaken_name: Rustico: Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?

No, we should pay an arm and a leg for regulatory bodies because they prevented it, right? Right?


Please, have some Thalidomide on me.
2013-01-23 06:39:21 AM
1 votes:
so yall do realise that "viral genes" are like diseases that transmit interpersonally and irrevocably alter your genetic makep right? like, the worst kind of potentially nonlethal disease possible?

it's not like it will contaminate the entire world food supply right? oh wait, .. whatevr.

fark all of you.
2013-01-23 06:29:47 AM
1 votes:
"Might be...." "May cause...."

I'll be alarmed later, if it's all the same to you.
2013-01-23 05:38:00 AM
1 votes:
the good news is that vegans should turn first.
2013-01-23 05:29:22 AM
1 votes:
They spend an enormous amount of time talking about how horrific Gene VI is, but only mention that portions of Gene VI are inserted in GM crops. If they had inserted all of Gene VI, allowing it to be expressed and thus giving the crops all those adverse traits, they would have chucked it away and started again. And we'd all have cancerous third heads (after 20 years of us consuming all that mutant produce)

Their beef seems to be that some portions of a specific gene from a virus has been inserted into a crop. Which is essentially what GM is all about.
2013-01-23 05:25:12 AM
1 votes:

Insatiable Jesus: Lsherm: Is There a Direct Human Toxicity Issue?
When Gene VI is intentionally expressed in transgenic plants, it causes them to become chlorotic (yellow), to have growth deformities, and to have reduced fertility in a dose-dependent manner (Ziljstra et al 1996). Plants expressing Gene VI also show gene expression abnormalities. These results indicate that, not unexpectedly given its known functions, the protein produced by Gene VI is functioning as a toxin and is harmful to plants (Takahashi et al 1989). Since the known targets of Gene VI activity (ribosomes and gene silencing) are also found in human cells, a reasonable concern is that the protein produced by Gene VI might be a human toxin. This is a question that can only be answered by future experiments.We don't have any idea, so read this scary sounding article instead because we we don't like genetically modified crops.

Wow, I'm glad a scientist showed up and told someone.


They told you, you just can't read.
2013-01-23 05:21:12 AM
1 votes:
I only get my science news from indie science news.
2013-01-23 05:04:00 AM
1 votes:
Every article on that website seems to be pants-wettingly afraid of SOMETHING. GMOs. Fracking. I saw something about the evil scientific community conspiracy 'excommunicating a heretic'. Pesticides killing our children, news after the jump. It just kept going on and on.
2013-01-23 04:59:09 AM
1 votes:

Nofun: GM Spider Bite = Spiderman (in the latest installments anyways)

GM Soy Plant = Soyman???


www.albinoblacksheep.com
2013-01-23 04:57:13 AM
1 votes:
EAT DORITOS
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KIDNEYS FALL OUT OF YOUR ASS
2013-01-23 04:46:48 AM
1 votes:
.......and then 28 days later.......

/ .....oh wait, this is fark. I meant 26 MINUTES later, in the gym......
2013-01-23 12:04:21 AM
1 votes:
As long as they don't repro---

www.familyguyfiles.com

Too late.
2013-01-22 09:59:16 PM
1 votes:

Kaydub: Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?


You mean making our crops poisonous was a bad idea?
2013-01-22 09:52:08 PM
1 votes:
I was going to say this seems legit, but someone actually might have done some work here.  I have no way of knowing if those sources are worth anything though.

So I'll settle for bring on the blister rust.
2013-01-22 09:32:29 PM
1 votes:
Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?
2013-01-22 09:28:39 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Where's the downside here?


Four hour lifespan?
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-01-22 09:27:47 PM
1 votes:

some_beer_drinker: or, give some of us super powers. i want to be invisible, or be able to fly. eat up, everyone. there is only one way to be sure.


Oops, sorry you get cancer...
 
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