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(Independent Science News)   Undiscovered viral gene accidentally encoded in GM crops may have serious health impacts on humans, including RNA malformations that could turn us all in to purple-skinned tentacle-sporting, winged lizard people   (independentsciencenews.org) divider line 122
    More: Scary, RNA, GM crops, European Food Safety Authority, gmos, impacts, mRNA, base pairs, gene accidentally  
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2013-01-23 01:34:15 PM  

Sybarite: Kaydub: Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?
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Oh yeah, you laugh, but just wait until that ear of corn picks up an AR-15.

/If I had photoshop I'd do it myself.
 
2013-01-23 02:15:13 PM  
This is obviously an 0bummerfartbongo government ploy to get dorks and comic book nerds to eat vast amounts of fruits and vegetables.
 
2013-01-23 02:30:33 PM  
campademics.wdfiles.com
 
2013-01-23 02:38:44 PM  
Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.
 
2013-01-23 02:43:45 PM  
So, big ag has an enormous profit incentive for pushing GMO, while anti-GMO are all hysterical nutjobs without any scientific credibility whatsoever. So we are all pro-GMO, or written off as nutjobs. Got it.

FWIW, I think the references to the great potato famine are spot on with regards to the potential risk. What my feeble-non plant biologist mind was able to glean from the article is that the viral gene portion might make GMO plants more susceptible in the case of, oh, for instance, the sudden appearance of a novel virus. Not that that ever happens.

I wonder what would happen if annual food crop yield went down by, say, 10% one year. I'm sure there would be hardly any noticeable effect.
 
2013-01-23 02:58:02 PM  
purple-skinned tentacle-sporting, winged lizard people

NTTAWWT
 
2013-01-23 03:27:48 PM  
Clearly, the rational response is to ban all frankenfood immediately.
 
2013-01-23 03:57:19 PM  

LesserEvil: Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.


Lowering world population, which is better for the environment and then Genetically Modified Agricultural Products wouldn't be needed.
 
2013-01-23 04:00:23 PM  

ferretman: Lowering world population, which is better for the environment and then Genetically Modified Agricultural Products wouldn't be needed.


Yeah, but then social security and similar programs don't work as well with a dwindling population.
 
2013-01-23 04:05:17 PM  
I have no problem with GMO so long as they are properly regulated, tested and controlled. There can be some problems that arise with new allergens introduced and such (as it has been seen in the past). My biggest gripe is the patents that companies are allowed to have on genetic material. I'll let you own the patent on how to insert the genes, how to make them, how to modify them, but not their actual makeup. What you're talking about is patenting life. life which self reproduces by it's own nature and design. If you built me a robot, and told me the only thing that robot does (and is capable of doing) is build more robots exactly like itself, sold it to me, and then told me that when it builds another one of itself that you own the product; I'd tell you to go fark yourself.
 
2013-01-23 04:27:14 PM  

ferretman: LesserEvil: Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.

Lowering world population, which is better for the environment and then Genetically Modified Agricultural Products wouldn't be needed.


There are probably better ways to do that than having people starve to death.

/just sayin'
 
2013-01-23 04:42:19 PM  

Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?


No, because the research hasn't been done yet.

I could, however, give you quite a long list of things that corporations have assured us were safe, which turned out not to be quite so safe.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:11 PM  

LesserEvil: Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.


Speaking of bad science designed to scare half-wits...
 
2013-01-23 04:55:44 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?

No, because the research hasn't been done yet.

I could, however, give you quite a long list of things that corporations have assured us were safe, which turned out not to be quite so safe.


Not interested in a list of things that aren't related.

If these things are going to be the death of us all, then something would have already shown up. It's been 13 years... even Agent Orange didn't take that long to manifest, and that stuff was a pathogen in healthy young men. If this stuff is going to poison someone slowly, it will have done so by now. Either it will or it won't. Now where's the outbreak?
 
2013-01-23 05:14:45 PM  

CheekyMonkey: LesserEvil: Cows have a gene that expresses itself as udders in female.

So.... we've been eating beef for thousands of years, why haven't women sprouted 8 teats?

I'm really sick of this anti-GM crap. Bad science designed to scare half-wits. Without GM crops half the world starves.

Speaking of bad science designed to scare half-wits...


Obviously "half the world" is a hyperbole, but the point is simple: a  LOT of people would starve without the yields provided for by GM crops. Likewise, such crops are able to grow in many places that would otherwise not be farmable.

The difference is that my statement is based in fact, while this whole voodoo "virus genes in my foods!" is nonsense. It may also be that the world cannot sustain more than 4 billion people without the use of GM and bio-engineered crops. Consider how the worlds population has exploded in the last 30~40 years...

Even "World Peace" has a terrible price. Sustaining the continuing growth of the world population means squeezing every acre of crop for the highest possible yields - and that doesn't happen with organics, or even the bioengineered hybrids.

That doesn't mean companies like Monsanto get a blank check to do whatever they want, but it does mean people need to stop being morans, pining for a "more simple existence without pesticides and herbicides adulterating their food" - geesh... first world problems, indeed. Heaven forbid science intrudes on your desire to enjoy the smug you get from eating your organic salads in the company cafeteria and telling people how they'll die horribly from colo-rectal cancer because they are as good a person as you are.
 
2013-01-23 05:14:48 PM  

Marine1: CheekyMonkey: Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?

No, because the research hasn't been done yet.

I could, however, give you quite a long list of things that corporations have assured us were safe, which turned out not to be quite so safe.

Not interested in a list of things that aren't related.

If these things are going to be the death of us all, then something would have already shown up. It's been 13 years... even Agent Orange didn't take that long to manifest, and that stuff was a pathogen in healthy young men. If this stuff is going to poison someone slowly, it will have done so by now. Either it will or it won't. Now where's the outbreak?


Not necessarily. How long does it take for something like asbestosis to show up? 20 years? Yes, I know, not exactly the same thing, but you see my point.

BTW, I'm not saying I disagree with you regarding this particular instance. I, too, think it's likely that if the fragment of Gene IV was going to cause any problems, someone would have seen something by now. On the other hand, though, how long did it take for the tobacco companies to admit that cigarette smoking was detrimental to people's health? I'm not inclined to accept assurances from people with a vested financial interest...
 
2013-01-23 05:46:31 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Marine1: CheekyMonkey: Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?

No, because the research hasn't been done yet.

I could, however, give you quite a long list of things that corporations have assured us were safe, which turned out not to be quite so safe.

Not interested in a list of things that aren't related.

If these things are going to be the death of us all, then something would have already shown up. It's been 13 years... even Agent Orange didn't take that long to manifest, and that stuff was a pathogen in healthy young men. If this stuff is going to poison someone slowly, it will have done so by now. Either it will or it won't. Now where's the outbreak?

On the other hand, though, how long did it take for the tobacco companies to admit that cigarette smoking was detrimental to people's health? I'm not inclined to accept assurances from people with a vested financial interest...


It took them forever to admit it in the face of mounting evidence. That's the difference... so far, there is no evidence.

If there was something... we'd have it. But we don't. Millions of Americans, of all different types, eat GMO food on a daily basis, and have done so for years. Nothing has come of this that is both negative and directly attributable to a diet consisting in part or completely of GMO food. You have almost every possible permutation being tested here, not in lab conditions with mice, but in the real world with human beings.
 
2013-01-24 01:27:07 AM  
Wait, that's a bad thing? I'm just taking notes here so I know what's on the exam.
 
2013-01-24 07:54:53 AM  

Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?


I can't, but I'm really interested in the rise of food allergies and its relationship between gmo foods, overly hygienic environments, and the interaction between the two
 
2013-01-24 08:57:45 AM  

Marine1: CheekyMonkey: Marine1: CheekyMonkey: Marine1: Honest question here: can anyone point out one major disease or syndrome outbreak that has resulted from sustained human consumption from off-the-shelf foods produced with GMOs?

No, because the research hasn't been done yet.

I could, however, give you quite a long list of things that corporations have assured us were safe, which turned out not to be quite so safe.

Not interested in a list of things that aren't related.

If these things are going to be the death of us all, then something would have already shown up. It's been 13 years... even Agent Orange didn't take that long to manifest, and that stuff was a pathogen in healthy young men. If this stuff is going to poison someone slowly, it will have done so by now. Either it will or it won't. Now where's the outbreak?

On the other hand, though, how long did it take for the tobacco companies to admit that cigarette smoking was detrimental to people's health? I'm not inclined to accept assurances from people with a vested financial interest...

It took them forever to admit it in the face of mounting evidence. That's the difference... so far, there is no evidence.

If there was something... we'd have it. But we don't. Millions of Americans, of all different types, eat GMO food on a daily basis, and have done so for years. Nothing has come of this that is both negative and directly attributable to a diet consisting in part or completely of GMO food. You have almost every possible permutation being tested here, not in lab conditions with mice, but in the real world with human beings.


That's not necessarily true. It took several decades for the ill effects of smoking to be noticed, correlated to smoking, and for real research to begin. And then, for several decades more, the tobacco companies continued to fight against the mounting evidence.

You're being short-sighted if you think that 13 years is sufficient time for all problems to show up.
 
2013-01-24 09:37:30 AM  
So, wait. The coding of the virus that is used to insert the modifications was found? DUH! that's like saying you found used needles in a diabetic's trash can, and then suggesting people could use them to shoot heroin.
 
2013-01-25 02:54:37 AM  

AgonistAlex: So, wait. The coding of the virus that is used to insert the modifications was found? DUH! that's like saying you found used needles in a diabetic's trash can, and then suggesting people could use them to shoot heroin.


But people actually could get the used needles out of the trash can of a diabetic and use them to shoot heroin.

I am confused as to your point.
 
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