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(Independent Science News)   Undiscovered viral gene accidentally encoded in GM crops may have serious health impacts on humans, including RNA malformations that could turn us all in to purple-skinned tentacle-sporting, winged lizard people   (independentsciencenews.org) divider line 122
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2013-01-22 09:15:26 PM
or, give some of us super powers. i want to be invisible, or be able to fly. eat up, everyone. there is only one way to be sure.
 
2013-01-22 09:26:13 PM
purple-skinned tentacle-sporting, winged lizard people

Purple? Screw that, I am going to have an awesome yellow/black checkerboard pattern.
 
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2013-01-22 09:27:47 PM

some_beer_drinker: or, give some of us super powers. i want to be invisible, or be able to fly. eat up, everyone. there is only one way to be sure.


Oops, sorry you get cancer...
 
2013-01-22 09:27:59 PM
Where's the downside here?
 
2013-01-22 09:28:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Where's the downside here?


Four hour lifespan?
 
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2013-01-22 09:30:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Where's the downside here?


God only knows.  It could be a massive cancer epidemic 14 years after exposure.  Or blindness, or virtually anything, or nothing.
 
2013-01-22 09:32:29 PM
Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?
 
2013-01-22 09:52:08 PM
I was going to say this seems legit, but someone actually might have done some work here.  I have no way of knowing if those sources are worth anything though.

So I'll settle for bring on the blister rust.
 
2013-01-22 09:59:16 PM

Kaydub: Genetically antagonistic corn. Really?


You mean making our crops poisonous was a bad idea?
 
2013-01-22 10:39:14 PM
Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?
 
2013-01-22 11:05:47 PM
GM Spider Bite = Spiderman (in the latest installments anyways)

GM Soy Plant = Soyman???
 
2013-01-23 12:04:21 AM
As long as they don't repro---

www.familyguyfiles.com

Too late.
 
2013-01-23 12:14:13 AM
This result is proof of the principle. The principle is that Big Money neither knows nor cares about the future of the earth or its population where there is money to be made. Teh gummint is not going to change that principle, because too many politicians are owned by Big Money. Neither can the rest of us, because we have no real power. Yes, the future is screwed. It has been so since the industrial revolution. The only uncertainty is how much time it will take and whether humans will survive.
 
2013-01-23 12:41:15 AM
Man, GM just can't seem to catch a break.  Unless it's a virus, I guess.
 
2013-01-23 12:56:23 AM

GAT_00: So I'll settle for bring on the blister rust.


Windup girls first.
 
2013-01-23 02:44:13 AM
Wait. Are you saying GM foods cause Japanese porn?
 
2013-01-23 03:07:12 AM
Is There a Direct Human Toxicity Issue?
When Gene VI is intentionally expressed in transgenic plants, it causes them to become chlorotic (yellow), to have growth deformities, and to have reduced fertility in a dose-dependent manner (Ziljstra et al 1996). Plants expressing Gene VI also show gene expression abnormalities. These results indicate that, not unexpectedly given its known functions, the protein produced by Gene VI is functioning as a toxin and is harmful to plants (Takahashi et al 1989). Since the known targets of Gene VI activity (ribosomes and gene silencing) are also found in human cells, a reasonable concern is that the protein produced by Gene VI might be a human toxin. This is a question that can only be answered by future experiments.We don't have any idea, so read this scary sounding article instead because we we don't like genetically modified crops.
 
2013-01-23 04:44:49 AM

Lsherm: Is There a Direct Human Toxicity Issue?
When Gene VI is intentionally expressed in transgenic plants, it causes them to become chlorotic (yellow), to have growth deformities, and to have reduced fertility in a dose-dependent manner (Ziljstra et al 1996). Plants expressing Gene VI also show gene expression abnormalities. These results indicate that, not unexpectedly given its known functions, the protein produced by Gene VI is functioning as a toxin and is harmful to plants (Takahashi et al 1989). Since the known targets of Gene VI activity (ribosomes and gene silencing) are also found in human cells, a reasonable concern is that the protein produced by Gene VI might be a human toxin. This is a question that can only be answered by future experiments.We don't have any idea, so read this scary sounding article instead because we we don't like genetically modified crops.


Wow, I'm glad a scientist showed up and told someone.
 
2013-01-23 04:46:48 AM
.......and then 28 days later.......

/ .....oh wait, this is fark. I meant 26 MINUTES later, in the gym......
 
2013-01-23 04:52:48 AM

ShawnDoc: GAT_00: So I'll settle for bring on the blister rust.

Windup girls first.


They're so hot!
 
2013-01-23 04:57:13 AM
EAT DORITOS
cache.ohinternet.com
KIDNEYS FALL OUT OF YOUR ASS
 
2013-01-23 04:58:43 AM
Could be worse.

monsterhunter.coldfusionvideo.com
 
2013-01-23 04:59:09 AM

Nofun: GM Spider Bite = Spiderman (in the latest installments anyways)

GM Soy Plant = Soyman???


www.albinoblacksheep.com
 
2013-01-23 05:04:00 AM
Every article on that website seems to be pants-wettingly afraid of SOMETHING. GMOs. Fracking. I saw something about the evil scientific community conspiracy 'excommunicating a heretic'. Pesticides killing our children, news after the jump. It just kept going on and on.
 
2013-01-23 05:06:50 AM
Luckily, I don't live in the US,
 
2013-01-23 05:09:56 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: Every article on that website seems to be pants-wettingly afraid of SOMETHING. GMOs. Fracking. I saw something about the evil scientific community conspiracy 'excommunicating a heretic'. Pesticides killing our children, news after the jump. It just kept going on and on.


Just because every other article is fearmongering bullshiat doesn't mean this one shouldn't be paid attention to with the utmost diligence.
 
2013-01-23 05:21:12 AM
I've been vaccinated with autism, so I'm immune.
 
2013-01-23 05:21:12 AM
I only get my science news from indie science news.
 
2013-01-23 05:25:12 AM

Insatiable Jesus: Lsherm: Is There a Direct Human Toxicity Issue?
When Gene VI is intentionally expressed in transgenic plants, it causes them to become chlorotic (yellow), to have growth deformities, and to have reduced fertility in a dose-dependent manner (Ziljstra et al 1996). Plants expressing Gene VI also show gene expression abnormalities. These results indicate that, not unexpectedly given its known functions, the protein produced by Gene VI is functioning as a toxin and is harmful to plants (Takahashi et al 1989). Since the known targets of Gene VI activity (ribosomes and gene silencing) are also found in human cells, a reasonable concern is that the protein produced by Gene VI might be a human toxin. This is a question that can only be answered by future experiments.We don't have any idea, so read this scary sounding article instead because we we don't like genetically modified crops.

Wow, I'm glad a scientist showed up and told someone.


They told you, you just can't read.
 
2013-01-23 05:29:22 AM
They spend an enormous amount of time talking about how horrific Gene VI is, but only mention that portions of Gene VI are inserted in GM crops. If they had inserted all of Gene VI, allowing it to be expressed and thus giving the crops all those adverse traits, they would have chucked it away and started again. And we'd all have cancerous third heads (after 20 years of us consuming all that mutant produce)

Their beef seems to be that some portions of a specific gene from a virus has been inserted into a crop. Which is essentially what GM is all about.
 
2013-01-23 05:34:41 AM
I, for one, welcome our purple-skinned tentacle-
sporting, winged lizard
people overlords!
 
2013-01-23 05:38:00 AM
the good news is that vegans should turn first.
 
2013-01-23 06:01:23 AM
Accidently on purpose, you mean.

/sincerely, the Illiuminati.
 
2013-01-23 06:29:35 AM

Rustico: Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?


No, we should pay an arm and a leg for regulatory bodies because they prevented it, right? Right?
 
2013-01-23 06:29:47 AM
"Might be...." "May cause...."

I'll be alarmed later, if it's all the same to you.
 
2013-01-23 06:39:21 AM
so yall do realise that "viral genes" are like diseases that transmit interpersonally and irrevocably alter your genetic makep right? like, the worst kind of potentially nonlethal disease possible?

it's not like it will contaminate the entire world food supply right? oh wait, .. whatevr.

fark all of you.
 
2013-01-23 06:42:42 AM
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-01-23 06:49:41 AM
After reading the story then perusing the rest of the site, I have to question the source since it's all anti-genetically modified crops.
 
2013-01-23 06:52:12 AM

This About That: This result is proof of the principle. The principle is that Big Money neither knows nor cares about the future of the earth or its population where there is money to be made. Teh gummint is not going to change that principle, because too many politicians are owned by Big Money. Neither can the rest of us, because we have no real power. Yes, the future is screwed. It has been so since the industrial revolution. The only uncertainty is how much time it will take and whether humans will survive.


Wrong, Libby von Libbenstein, the market is self-correcting! That means when enough purple shambling tentacle beasts have burst from the chests of humans to "redirect market incentives", Monsanto will be happy to go back to normal crops. That is, unless the purple shambling tentacle beasts prove to be a "malleable consumer base with considerable market-driving income".
 
2013-01-23 06:55:04 AM

untaken_name: Rustico: Isn't this why the FDA and all the regulators should be abolished--so the companies can police themselves?
I mean, they would never let something like this occur If left to their own, right?Right?

No, we should pay an arm and a leg for regulatory bodies because they prevented it, right? Right?


Please, have some Thalidomide on me.
 
2013-01-23 07:02:15 AM
mixnmojo.com
 
2013-01-23 07:08:18 AM

knowless: so yall do realise that "viral genes" are like diseases that transmit interpersonally and irrevocably alter your genetic makep right? like, the worst kind of potentially nonlethal disease possible?

it's not like it will contaminate the entire world food supply right? oh wait, .. whatevr.

fark all of you.


No, no they don't. Thats really not easy to do at all. Do they insert their genome into yours? Yes, where they infect some of them do. But its not so simple as "well, this material is in corn, so obviously it can infect you JUST LIKE A VIRUS." Viruses aren't composed of single genes and it takes a several mechanisms to facilitate infection, insertion, replication, etc. You can't just ingest (or even inject...) pieces of random genes and expect them to be successfully inserted.

Plus, it doesn't "irrevocably alter your genetic code forever." To get permanent genetic changes you have to have a germ-line level infection. The cells of your body are constantly in a cycle of birth, use, wearing out, and death. Depending on the tissue, cell-type, cell-damage from various factors, how fast or slow this occurs changes. To get permanent change you have to infect these "growing areas." Considering this is just a piece of a single gene, without the rest of the infection machinery, thats incredibly unlikely. Its even more unlikely when you take into account the human digestive tract has evolved to resist foreign interlopers. Its one of the few internal places in the body regularly exposed to the outside world and is not exactly a cuddly happy environment for non-hardy organisms, let alone bits of random genetic material.

/basic explanation for basic misunderstanding.
//was my biggest pet peeve with Bourne Legacy.
 
2013-01-23 07:12:33 AM

born_yesterday: Wrong, Libby von Libbenstein, the market is self-correcting! That means when enough purple shambling tentacle beasts have burst from the chests of humans to "redirect market incentives", Monsanto will be happy to go back to normal crops. That is, unless the purple shambling tentacle beasts prove to be a "malleable consumer base with considerable market-driving income".


Thank you. I feel much better now.
 
2013-01-23 07:18:17 AM
I'm kind of excited about the wings...

/I'd prefer a flying car, but those guys dropped the ball.
 
2013-01-23 07:21:28 AM
There's not anything going into your mouth that's not wild fish that hasn't likely been the target of foraging ancestors plotting to make it fatter and tastier the old fashioned way. And those old fashioned ways? They're sometimes moderately to balls cringingly scary in outcome too, when you make potatoes that can't handle a specific pestilence that shows up and half the country starves or something.
 
2013-01-23 07:24:15 AM
In addition, on a closer read the concern in the article is this viral material when expressed in corn produces a toxin. Its not talking about the material infecting humans (which, as I said above, is a ridiculous idea anyway in this case). The concern is that the targets of this toxin might be in humans. Of course, they just say the targets are "Ribosomes and gene silencing" which is hugely general. Considering "ribosome" is a type of biological machinery (which ribosome(s)? and every organism is the same! right? oh wait...) and gene silencing is an action, NOT an actual thing. Panicky article is panicky and provides poor information.
 
2013-01-23 07:25:46 AM

Wicked Chinchilla: knowless: so yall do realise that "viral genes" are like diseases that transmit interpersonally and irrevocably alter your genetic makep right? like, the worst kind of potentially nonlethal disease possible?

it's not like it will contaminate the entire world food supply right? oh wait, .. whatevr.

fark all of you.

No, no they don't. Thats really not easy to do at all. Do they insert their genome into yours? Yes, where they infect some of them do. But its not so simple as "well, this material is in corn, so obviously it can infect you JUST LIKE A VIRUS." Viruses aren't composed of single genes and it takes a several mechanisms to facilitate infection, insertion, replication, etc. You can't just ingest (or even inject...) pieces of random genes and expect them to be successfully inserted.

Plus, it doesn't "irrevocably alter your genetic code forever." To get permanent genetic changes you have to have a germ-line level infection. The cells of your body are constantly in a cycle of birth, use, wearing out, and death. Depending on the tissue, cell-type, cell-damage from various factors, how fast or slow this occurs changes. To get permanent change you have to infect these "growing areas." Considering this is just a piece of a single gene, without the rest of the infection machinery, thats incredibly unlikely. Its even more unlikely when you take into account the human digestive tract has evolved to resist foreign interlopers. Its one of the few internal places in the body regularly exposed to the outside world and is not exactly a cuddly happy environment for non-hardy organisms, let alone bits of random genetic material.

/basic explanation for basic misunderstanding.
//was my biggest pet peeve with Bourne Legacy.


Is this basically the equivalent of saying if a chick blows someone with cancer she can get it too or am i missing something?
 
2013-01-23 07:27:54 AM

MisterMook: There's not anything going into your mouth that's not wild fish that hasn't likely been the target of foraging ancestors plotting to make it fatter and tastier the old fashioned way. And those old fashioned ways? They're sometimes moderately to balls cringingly scary in outcome too, when you make potatoes that can't handle a specific pestilence that shows up and half the country starves or something.


A-freaking-men. Just because we haven't been deliberately inserting specific genes into various crops doesn't mean we haven't been actively manipulating them via the "natural methods." There is literally no difference between selective breeding and direct genetic manipulation except in scope. In selective breeding the ENTIRE GENOME IS POTENTIALLY IN PLAY. In direct manipulation you are moving a handful of known genes.
 
2013-01-23 07:31:59 AM
I find that with topics like this all one needs to do is visit a few skeptic sites to find out the real deal. and as usual this is bullshiat.
 
2013-01-23 07:32:26 AM
Independent science news?

There is only two states. Science and not science. So if you are independent of science, that means constructing your own state of science news.

In other words, it isn't science news, it is whatever we want to think science news.

Not science.
 
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