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2013-01-22 11:03:42 PM  
Seldom can the appellation "old coot" be used without a smidgen of irony. I wonder if he got railroaded cause I don't think this guy could boot up Windows with a gun to his head.
 
2013-01-22 11:06:07 PM  
Also wanted:

imageshack.us
 
2013-01-22 11:06:44 PM  

BronyMedic: You know, and I'm JUST throwing this out there, there are a LOT of children who need organs - hearts, livers, kidneys, and the occasional pancreas and intestines - and a problem of not having enough motorcyclists and attempted suicides to supply them.

Maybe, just MAYBE, the solution is kiddie diddlers...

I'm JUST saying...YMMV


They take the organs of people who attempt suicide now? Is that to teach them a lesson?
 
2013-01-22 11:07:38 PM  
*looks at pic*

And Alan Moore's descent into madness and child pornography continues...

/dude's a genius, but 'Lost Girls' was muy no bueno...
 
2013-01-22 11:08:19 PM  

AfroX: 1 count?

I dont think they had enough people on the job- ...following a multi-agency investigation involving the Attorney General's High Technology Crime Unit, Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, Department of Homeland Security Investigations, Federal Bureau of Investigations, and Gretna Police Department.


Yes, it could have been 1 picture. It could also have been a 1 TB hard drive. 1 count per storage device, so sayeth the Judges.
 
2013-01-22 11:12:18 PM  

ambassador_ahab: CygnusDarius: They also look like hermits.

I feel like there's some "creepy-ass-old-man" crossover going on there.


There are quite a few permutations that work:
creepy-ass old man
creepy old-ass man
creepy old ass-man
creepy old-man ass
 
2013-01-22 11:14:03 PM  

Arkanaut: ambassador_ahab: CygnusDarius: They also look like hermits.

I feel like there's some "creepy-ass-old-man" crossover going on there.

There are quite a few permutations that work:
creepy-ass old man
creepy old-ass man
creepy old ass-man
creepy old-man ass


ass-old creepy man.
ass-creepy old man
old creepy ass-man
 
2013-01-22 11:15:56 PM  

Arkanaut: There are quite a few permutations that work:


Heh, the old moving-hyphen game. (Or, if you will, moving hyphen-game.) Why is that always so much fun?

LOL
 
2013-01-22 11:19:27 PM  

HempHead: Child porn does not require nudity nor is a picture of a nude child necessarily child porn. Child porn can some times be just a pencil drawing.


I think the drawing thing is actually under obscenity law, not child porn, which is a critical difference because the Miller Test is more arbitrary and subjective, while child porn is actually defined pretty narrowly and objectively (and "community standards" are irrelevant in a child porn case but central to an obscenity case). "Underage drawings" as obscenity is fairly recent law and the improbable constitutionally is untested because the Christopher Handley case ended in a guilty plea. I haven't heard of any other convictions on it.
 
2013-01-22 11:33:11 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Arkanaut: There are quite a few permutations that work:

Heh, the old moving-hyphen game. (Or, if you will, moving hyphen-game.) Why is that always so much fun?

LOL


What can I say, it's a fun-ass game.
 
2013-01-22 11:34:58 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Not impressed
/hot like a Sharp Dressed Man
 
2013-01-22 11:39:34 PM  
Kiddie porn type? Looks more like "Veteran Rock and Roll star and teen idol of the 1960's photographed at Steve's Bait and Tackle shop, stocking up for fishing trip."
 
2013-01-22 11:39:59 PM  

Asa Phelps: 1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.


Probably, they're holding him on one count while they sort through his 10TB striped RAID of porn.
 
2013-01-22 11:41:40 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: miss diminutive: Asa Phelps: 1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.

I've always wondered, what if he had pictures of teenagers on his computer but they were fully clothed or not sexual in nature? Is that considered child pornography?

I would search myself, but I don't want to get flagged so near the date of my impending coup d'état.

OK, I am going to put this out there for some good Fark fodder at my own expense. When I was 14, my dad found pictures of other girls my age I had downloaded. Worst punishment I had ever received. I didn't think I was doing anything criminal or nasty at the time, however, I was not aware of the consequences he might face if an investigation over said images came his way.

I get his concern and the legality of it now, and obviously the pictures were deleted, but what would be everyone's opinions on someone that used that as their defense?


Discretion is dead, my friend.  KS put a 13 year-old on its sex offender registry.  The Law is way behind and zero tolerance, so kids have been charged with producing and possessing child porn for pics of themselves.
 
2013-01-22 11:43:34 PM  

vygramul: Asa Phelps: 1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.

Probably, they're holding him on one count while they sort through his 10TB striped RAID of porn.


Or, they could have searched through his 10TB and lucked on a single file that had a 17 year old in it. Could happen to anyone. Or do YOU ensure you verify the age of every single "model" you download....
 
2013-01-22 11:45:29 PM  

vygramul: The Angry Hand of God: miss diminutive: Asa Phelps: 1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.

I've always wondered, what if he had pictures of teenagers on his computer but they were fully clothed or not sexual in nature? Is that considered child pornography?

I would search myself, but I don't want to get flagged so near the date of my impending coup d'état.

OK, I am going to put this out there for some good Fark fodder at my own expense. When I was 14, my dad found pictures of other girls my age I had downloaded. Worst punishment I had ever received. I didn't think I was doing anything criminal or nasty at the time, however, I was not aware of the consequences he might face if an investigation over said images came his way.

I get his concern and the legality of it now, and obviously the pictures were deleted, but what would be everyone's opinions on someone that used that as their defense?

Discretion is dead, my friend.  KS put a 13 year-old on its sex offender registry.  The Law is way behind and zero tolerance, so kids have been charged with producing and possessing child porn for pics of themselves.


At any rate, the statute of limitations is 10 years for that sort of thing, so hopefully you're 25.
 
2013-01-22 11:56:44 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Back when I was working with the public defender's office, the prosecutor and I had a contest during arraignments. He would tell me how many sex offenders there were in the group and I had to pick them out before I talked to them. It's amazing how many of them have "that look."


For some reason that made me lose just a little faith in our justice system.
 
2013-01-22 11:58:33 PM  
Eyeing little girls with bad intent?
 
2013-01-22 11:59:50 PM  
I hope they searched his beard for hidden children.
 
2013-01-23 12:10:25 AM  
blogs.houstonpress.com

Is this going to make a "very special episode" of Duck Dynasty?
 
2013-01-23 12:17:39 AM  

Nem Wan: HempHead: Child porn does not require nudity nor is a picture of a nude child necessarily child porn. Child porn can some times be just a pencil drawing.

I think the drawing thing is actually under obscenity law, not child porn, which is a critical difference because the Miller Test is more arbitrary and subjective, while child porn is actually defined pretty narrowly and objectively (and "community standards" are irrelevant in a child porn case but central to an obscenity case). "Underage drawings" as obscenity is fairly recent law and the improbable constitutionally is untested because the Christopher Handley case ended in a guilty plea. I haven't heard of any other convictions on it.


A portion of 18 USC § 1466A - Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children contains a section dealing with drawings:

(b) Additional Offenses.- Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that-
(1)
(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;
 
2013-01-23 12:25:52 AM  
Man those Dumbledores.
Aberforth and his goats.
Albus liked 'em young and dark haired and male.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
media.giantbomb.com
imgsrv.wwl.com
 
2013-01-23 12:47:50 AM  
Sometimes guys arrested for kiddie porn Making Moonshine look just like you'd expect them to
 
2013-01-23 01:00:04 AM  

stiletto_the_wise: vygramul: Asa Phelps:

1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.

Probably, they're holding him on one count while they sort through his 10TB striped RAID of porn.

Or, they could have searched through his 10TB and lucked on a single file that had a 17 year old in it. Could happen to anyone. Or do YOU ensure you verify the age of every single "model" you download....


The porn sites I visit, mainly redtube and youporn, have notices swearing that all models are 18. Some flicks even refer you to a document of proof of age on file someplace. And on those porn sites most of the "schoolgirls" look to be about 30 anyway. If there's a 17 year old on redtube it ain't my problem, especially if she could pass for 30 brightly lit.

"Right here, your honor. Third from the top. The one that says 'Butt slut has a happy Xmas.' See? The first 20 seconds are about proof of age being on file in Denver."
 
2013-01-23 01:02:05 AM  
HempHead:


(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;


We're all doomed.
 
2013-01-23 01:06:09 AM  
Aqualung my friend .
 
2013-01-23 03:10:12 AM  

The One True TheDavid: stiletto_the_wise: vygramul: Asa Phelps:

1 count of possessing pornography involving juveniles.

He could have downloaded a single jpg of a 17 year old girl.

Probably, they're holding him on one count while they sort through his 10TB striped RAID of porn.

Or, they could have searched through his 10TB and lucked on a single file that had a 17 year old in it. Could happen to anyone. Or do YOU ensure you verify the age of every single "model" you download....

The porn sites I visit, mainly redtube and youporn, have notices swearing that all models are 18. Some flicks even refer you to a document of proof of age on file someplace. And on those porn sites most of the "schoolgirls" look to be about 30 anyway. If there's a 17 year old on redtube it ain't my problem, especially if she could pass for 30 brightly lit.

"Right here, your honor. Third from the top. The one that says 'Butt slut has a happy Xmas.' See? The first 20 seconds are about proof of age being on file in Denver."


I suppose child-porn distributors could inoculate their customers by posting that on their videos, too.

Somehow, I don't think it would help them.
 
2013-01-23 03:41:32 AM  

olddinosaur: Miley Cyrus shot a full frontal at 13


Really?

I'll have a seat right over there while waiting for more info.
 
2013-01-23 07:25:07 AM  
Watching as the frilly panties run...
i26.photobucket.com


/am I the only one who saw this?
 
2013-01-23 07:42:55 AM  

Mad Mark: He looks like one of the Duck Dynasty clan.


I was thinking that myself. I could swear I've seen him on that show...
 
2013-01-23 08:25:39 AM  

olddinosaur: Miley Cyrus shot a full frontal at 13


I do not believe that this is true
 
2013-01-23 09:37:08 AM  

Buttle not Tuttle: Not even close, subs:

[img.photobucket.com image 300x125]


I think Limbaugh's a jackass of the first magnitude. This is based on what he says on the air and, apparently, believes. But it pisses me off when idiots push this LUL (Libtard Urban Legend).

If you are going to criticize Limbaugh, there is plenty of real points on which to do so. Making shiat up simply makes you look retarded.
 
2013-01-23 10:03:30 AM  

TommyymmoT: 20 years? He would get less time if he actually molested a real child.


Sadly, this is frequently true.

About 4 days ago, a guy in a city near where I live got sentenced to 9 years for possession of CP. No aggravating factors. Just downloading the shiat off FrostWire or whatever.

Yesterday in my city, a guy got released after serving 6 years for molesting 4 toddlers.

/the parents are understandably upset.
//9 years for CP is a BARGAIN compared to what most of these guys get.
///Make up your minds. Either strengthen child molestation sentences, or weaken CP ones. There is no justice at all as it stands now.
 
2013-01-23 10:16:51 AM  

banandar123: Make up your minds. Either strengthen child molestation sentences, or weaken CP ones. There is no justice at all as it stands now.


What you are asking for is essentially political suicide.  Yeah, we need to have an open, mature conversation as a country/society on how to deal with this, but the problem with the way US politics works is that the second someone suggests lessening the laws or reevaluating the way we prosecute (like 18 year old having sexy pics of his 17 year old girlfriend), that person is labeled weak on crime, and it is bullshiat.

As pointed out above, while we do not know what exactly this guy had, and I suspect that it is more than just a single random photo of a almost 18 year old, the zero tolerance, catch all approach that many LEO and country prosecutors are using, is something that we need to discuss.

Also, pointed out above, he could have raped a person and gotten less time, again...this needs to be discussed.
 
2013-01-23 10:22:17 AM  

HempHead: (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;


I'm really curious exactly what sort of scientific values they had in mind... "We can't find the Higg's Boson without this picture of little Jimmy blowing the family dog!"
 
2013-01-23 11:11:49 AM  

vygramul: The One True TheDavid:

The porn sites I visit, mainly redtube and youporn, have notices swearing that all models are 18. Some flicks even refer you to a document of proof of age on file someplace. And on those porn sites most of the "schoolgirls" look to be about 30 anyway. If there's a 17 year old on redtube it ain't my problem, especially if she could pass for 30 brightly lit.

"Right here, your honor. Third from the top. The one that says 'Butt slut has a happy Xmas.' See? The first 20 seconds are about proof of age being on file in Denver."

I suppose child-porn distributors could inoculate their customers by posting that on their videos, too.
Somehow, I don't think it would help them.


Assuming there are actual documents on file, they probably include such things as photocopies of the models' drivers licenses. Most of those I've seen who attach such claims to their videos on Redtube say the documents are somewhere in the USA so let's assume US law enforcement officers know how to check such things. (This is one reason why a prudent porn watcher should generally eschew sites in "ex-Soviet" countries.)

"Whois redtube.com" produces this:

Registrant:
Bright Imperial Limited
ATTN REDTUBE.COM
care of Network Solutions
PO Box 459
Drums, PA. US 18222

Domain Name: REDTUBE.COM


Presumably they "innoculate" themselves from prosecution for kiddie porn by making uploaders supply proof of age or at least click "I Agree." And I see from Googling "Bright Imperial Limited" that they've been involved in some lawsuits in US courts against other sites trying to call themselves by similar names to confuse viewers, which presumably a site that knowingly distributed kiddie porn wouldn't dare to do.

But in general, gee. if only there was a generally useful visual way to tell an 8 year old child from an 18 year old adult. It's almost like there ought to be some physical differences that separate a child from someone who's not a child. Besides waiting till they get gray hair and wrinkles, I mean.

Granted it can be hard sometimes to tell when somebody's only 16, but then a 16 year old is not a child in the same way that a 7 year old is. Which would freak you out more to discover, that your 16 year old daughter made a porno or that your 7 year old did?

If you want to go by such markers as intellectual achievement and emotional stability you'd have to disqualify a good many obviously sexually mature adults from voting, driving, gun ownership or employment involving any position of responsibility. I knew it wasn't good to drive while holding something besides the steering wheel in each hand long before there was any question of my sexual maturity, for example. Maybe we should give everybody IQ and personality tests to separate out the real adults from those who only look grown up? Some times I can't believe they let Ted Nugent own anything like a weapon, IYKWIM.
 
2013-01-23 11:16:37 AM  

Endive Wombat: banandar123: Make up your minds. Either strengthen child molestation sentences, or weaken CP ones. There is no justice at all as it stands now.

What you are asking for is essentially political suicide.  Yeah, we need to have an open, mature conversation as a country/society on how to deal with this, but the problem with the way US politics works is that the second someone suggests lessening the laws or reevaluating the way we prosecute (like 18 year old having sexy pics of his 17 year old girlfriend), that person is labeled weak on crime, and it is bullshiat.

As pointed out above, while we do not know what exactly this guy had, and I suspect that it is more than just a single random photo of a almost 18 year old, the zero tolerance, catch all approach that many LEO and country prosecutors are using, is something that we need to discuss.

Also, pointed out above, he could have raped a person and gotten less time, again...this needs to be discussed.


An important point that I should have mentioned in my original post is that CP cases are frequently tried by federal courts, while rape cases are usually handled by state/local courts. When a CP case is tried under state/local laws, the sentence is usually much lighter than it would be if tried federally, and usually fits to scale with that state's sexual abuse sentences. For example, a person tried by a state-level court in (insert state name) for possession of CP might get a year in prison, while a kiddy diddler who rapes a child and is tried under that same state's court might get 5 years. The punishment reflects the crime, and everyone is happy.

However, with so many CP cases falling under federal jurisdiction (as do many internet crimes), and seeing them dole out 5 year minimum sentences for simple possession while the state/local courts hand out 4 year sentences for actual sexual abuse, it gives the impression that CP is somehow worse than actual rape in the eyes of the law. In reality, it's just a matter of which court gets ahold of the guy.

All this jurisdiction talk aside, on a human level, it's just not right to let that happen. Although I refuse to defend any of these sick bastards, I'm tired of seeing injustice when it comes to an actual child who has been abused, only for her rapist to get less time than some guy downloading shiat in his mom's basement (where's the justice in that?).

Hell, I'd be fine having CP sentences stay the same. Just give the actual child molesters life in prison, then at least it'll be set to scale.

/just sayin
//not a white knight
 
2013-01-23 11:36:45 AM  

The One True TheDavid: But in general, gee. if only there was a generally useful visual way to tell an 8 year old child from an 18 year old adult. It's almost like there ought to be some physical differences that separate a child from someone who's not a child. Besides waiting till they get gray hair and wrinkles, I mean.


NSFW search: "Kitty Jung porn"
 
2013-01-23 12:14:02 PM  

RobSeace: HempHead: (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;

I'm really curious exactly what sort of scientific values they had in mind... "We can't find the Higg's Boson without this picture of little Jimmy blowing the family dog!"


Text books for OBGYN.
 
2013-01-23 12:34:55 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Buttle not Tuttle: Not even close, subs:

[img.photobucket.com image 300x125]

I think Limbaugh's a jackass of the first magnitude. This is based on what he says on the air and, apparently, believes. But it pisses me off when idiots push this LUL (Libtard Urban Legend).

If you are going to criticize Limbaugh, there is plenty of real points on which to do so. Making shiat up simply makes you look retarded.


Never has anyone worked so hard to earn the "lighten up Francis" reply. Take a walk outside, you'll feel a lot better.
 
2013-01-23 12:44:57 PM  

HempHead: RobSeace: HempHead: (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;

I'm really curious exactly what sort of scientific values they had in mind... "We can't find the Higg's Boson without this picture of little Jimmy blowing the family dog!"

Text books for OBGYN.


Huh, I wasn't aware those typically included graphic pictures of underage bestiality and S&M... (Or even plain old vanilla intercourse, for that matter!)
 
2013-01-23 02:44:16 PM  

RobSeace: HempHead: RobSeace: HempHead: (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;

I'm really curious exactly what sort of scientific values they had in mind... "We can't find the Higg's Boson without this picture of little Jimmy blowing the family dog!"

Text books for OBGYN.

Huh, I wasn't aware those typically included graphic pictures of underage bestiality and S&M... (Or even plain old vanilla intercourse, for that matter!)


Giving birth may involve bloody trauma for both the child and mother which could fulfill the definition of S&M.

Birth of course, involves a child and a vagina, again which could fulfill the definition of sexual intercourse.
 
2013-01-23 08:44:07 PM  

vygramul: The One True TheDavid: But in general, gee. if only there was a generally useful visual way to tell an 8 year old child from an 18 year old adult. It's almost like there ought to be some physical differences that separate a child from someone who's not a child. Besides waiting till they get gray hair and wrinkles, I mean.

NSFW search: "Kitty Jung porn"


This Kitty Jung? (Very SFW: link to a site for a candidate to the Reno NV City Council)
 
2013-01-23 09:31:27 PM  
The One True TheDavid: This Kitty Jung? (Very SFW: link to a site for a candidate to the Reno NV City Council)

www.kittyjung.org

Damn I'd love for her to take some NSFW pics, though.
 
2013-01-23 09:32:37 PM  

banandar123: The One True TheDavid: This Kitty Jung? (Very SFW: link to a site for a candidate to the Reno NV City Council)

[www.kittyjung.org image 850x188]

Damn I'd love for her to take some NSFW pics, though.


I'd Experience her Matters.
 
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