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(CBS DC)   The Mourning After: American optimism has hit the lowest point since the Carter Administration   (washington.cbslocal.com) divider line 282
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2013-01-22 08:20:46 PM  
Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?
 
2013-01-22 08:21:43 PM  

Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?


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2013-01-22 08:22:08 PM  
Gallup. Whenever I see Gallup or Rassmusen, I think "bias" and "lacks credibility"
 
2013-01-22 08:23:17 PM  
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2013-01-22 08:23:18 PM  
That's because the days of Barbara Billinglsey vacuuming the split-level ranch house in Pasadena wearing pearls while Walt wears the pants are well behind us, and many people are panicked at this realization.

It's funny when a significant portion of the country looks back to television shows of the 50s as the touchstone of their childhoods. Newsflash, people: THOSE PEOPLE WERE FICTIONAL.
 
2013-01-22 08:30:36 PM  

Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?


I think it has something to do with the sheriff being near.

Which is to say, you have an entire army of GOP mouthpieces poo-poo-ing every positive indicator you could hope for. shiat starts to wear on you after a while, ya know?
 
2013-01-22 08:34:27 PM  
I feel pretty good.
 
2013-01-22 08:34:43 PM  
What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?
 
2013-01-22 08:35:21 PM  
So, Gallup has managed to crawl back out from whatever hole it hide itself in after election night to be unskewed-y again?
 
2013-01-22 08:36:52 PM  

Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?


For the world as a whole that's true, but this is the first time in a long while in America that a generation can expect a harder life than the previous one; if you were born in 1990, on average you are going to stay in school longer to work longer hours for less pay (inflation adjusted) than your parents got at your age. A little pessimism is to be expected.

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Damn, I knew Gallup was sucking lately, but how the hell do you fail that bad? Their percentages of Registered Voters are fairly close to the actual result, how did they go from that to assuming a Romney victory?
 
2013-01-22 08:37:12 PM  

AeAe: Gallup. Whenever I see Gallup or Rassmusen, I think "bias" and "lacks credibility"


This. Polls like Gallup and Rassmusen aren't there to tell you what everyone is thinking, they're there to tell you what you should think. They've demonstrated, over and over again, that they're quite happy to manipulate their methods & results to get the answer they want to present, even though, over and over again, they've been some of the least accurate pollsters.
 
2013-01-22 08:37:15 PM  

Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?


Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.
 
2013-01-22 08:37:52 PM  

Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?


high unemployment.
declining wages
more people giving up looking for a job
increases in health care costs
 
2013-01-22 08:38:22 PM  
Sooo...Republicans are dragging down the national average and acting like whiny little bitaches because they lost a national election? Must be a day ending in 'y'.
 
2013-01-22 08:38:59 PM  

theorellior: That's because the days of Barbara Billinglsey vacuuming the split-level ranch house in Pasadena wearing pearls while Walt wears the pants are well behind us, and many people are panicked at this realization.

It's funny when a significant portion of the country looks back to television shows of the 50s as the touchstone of their childhoods. Newsflash, people: THOSE
PEOPLE WERE FICTIONAL.


And this matches perfectly with their entire narrative.
 
2013-01-22 08:39:31 PM  

Gunther: Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?

For the world as a whole that's true, but this is the first time in a long while in America that a generation can expect a harder life than the previous one; if you were born in 1990, on average you are going to stay in school longer to work longer hours for less pay (inflation adjusted) than your parents got at your age. A little pessimism is to be expected.


The current couple of generations, as well as at least two future generations, are on the hook for all of the bills deferred by the two generations that came before them.

Greed was good to working adults and their parents in the 80's. Not so much for us now, thirty-plus years later. Greed is what's killing us.
 
2013-01-22 08:39:59 PM  
American optimism was especially high right before 9/11. Measures of optimism or pessimism are basically a collective prediction, and you know what they say - predictions are hard, especially about the future.
 
2013-01-22 08:40:17 PM  
That was indeed a low point. Fortunately, I managed to escape in a balloon during the Jimmy Carter presidency.
 
2013-01-22 08:40:48 PM  

Gunther: if you were born in 1990, on average you are going to stay in school longer to work longer hours for less pay (inflation adjusted) than your parents got at your age.


And you're going to get shiat from the older generations who think the only reason is because you aren't working harder.
 
2013-01-22 08:40:56 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: high unemployment.
declining wages
more people giving up looking for a job
increases in health care costs


In other words, the Republican agenda for the past four years.
 
2013-01-22 08:41:47 PM  
As a whole, fifty-five percent of Americans say the state of the nation five years ago was positive.

were they unaware of what was going on in the country back in 2008?
 
2013-01-22 08:41:51 PM  
Of course it has. It's not like you have 22% of the population getting told on a daily basis that the president is a nice guy and actually cares about your well being. In fact, if I recall, they are getting told just the opposite.
 
2013-01-22 08:41:54 PM  

FormlessOne: AeAe: Gallup. Whenever I see Gallup or Rassmusen, I think "bias" and "lacks credibility"

This. Polls like Gallup and Rassmusen aren't there to tell you what everyone is thinking, they're there to tell you what you should think. They've demonstrated, over and over again, that they're quite happy to manipulate their methods & results to get the answer they want to present, even though, over and over again, they've been some of the least accurate pollsters.


Also, these organizations have to be accurate if they are to be credible. If they are so off as in the last election, either there's bias in the polling or their methodology is wrong. Either one is not good.

I'm surprised that the news media would still use their data.
 
2013-01-22 08:41:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Nem Wan: Statistically, this is the most peaceful, safest, and prosperous age the world has ever known. So what's the problem?

high unemployment.
declining wages
more people giving up looking for a job
increases in health care costs


But enough about 2008.
 
2013-01-22 08:42:37 PM  
I see Gallup is still trying to make us notice them.
 
2013-01-22 08:43:39 PM  
You know who else hit a low point in the Carter administration?

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2013-01-22 08:44:13 PM  

AeAe: Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?

Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.


And the S&P is at almost 1,500...
 
2013-01-22 08:47:11 PM  

ramblinwreck: AeAe: Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?

Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.

And the S&P is at almost 1,500...


2 of the 3 stock indices are at 5 year highs. So as far as the market is concerned, there's a lot of confidence there. The market is a leading indicator. The current price of stocks are a factor of future earnings.. so investors are thinking profitable futures.
 
2013-01-22 08:47:52 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: high unemployment.
declining wages
more people giving up looking for a job
increases in health care costs


So who's fault is that?

No, be honest.
 
2013-01-22 08:47:52 PM  
What they don't tell you is they only polled one guy:

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-01-22 08:50:33 PM  
I have little optimism for the future of this once-great nation.

All I see anymore are preppers, birthers, teabaggers, religious nuts, conspiracy theorists, and armchair constitutional scholars who are too dumb to pour piss out of a boot. People who cite glenn beck and breitbart as legitimate sources. Blowhards who pull the strings of millions of people even though they're barely competent to wipe their own asses. People who should be derided as clowns paid millions of dollars to spout logical fallacies and intellectually dishonest circular arguments to coddle the ignorant, the racist, and the out and out dumb. Yeah, out and out dumb. The willfully uneducated who, rather than admit there are things they don't understand, support intellectually dishonest politicians who spout superstitious nonsense, selling out the future hope of an educated populace and the future prosperity and safety of the country for fleeting political power.

And the things people protest about: protesting against access to contraception, against access to health insurance, against modest tax increases on people who make essentially an infinitely larger amount of money than they'll ever see. Using their first amendment rights simply to trample the same rights of others. But don't even think of questioning their rights! It's like living in opposite land. Or a coo-coo clock.

The government is completely broken. Bipartisanship now means surrender. Negotiation now means surrender. Compromise is treason. Why President Obama bothered to run for a second term is beyond me. Every person he appoints will be torn down, every proposal scuttled without debate. If he so much as farts sideways, he'll be impeached. Idiocy.

Why, exactly, should I be optimistic?
 
2013-01-22 08:50:59 PM  
I remember the Carter era. The Republicans were not insane during the Carter era.
 
2013-01-22 08:52:10 PM  
Who gives a fark what the people think, Corporate optimism and profits are at an all-time high.
 
2013-01-22 08:56:32 PM  
If only we'd elected Romney! He'd really boost America's optimism. After all, he's a real confidence man.
 
2013-01-22 08:56:34 PM  

DeaH: I remember the Carter era. The Republicans were not insane during the Carter era.


They were irrelevant. If they wanted to play at all, they had to play nice (Bob Michael).

These days, those in the public sector have every reason to be optimistic.
 
2013-01-22 08:56:38 PM  
Holy shiat the comments section!
 
2013-01-22 08:56:52 PM  

DeaH: I remember the Carter era. The Republicans were not insane during the Carter era.


Although that's when the fundamentalist Christian cohort decided they should hitch their wagons to the Republican star, which led us directly to the derp storm we're experiencing today.
 
2013-01-22 08:59:11 PM  

b0rg9: Holy shiat the comments section!


Conservative tears and impotent rage make me smile.
 
2013-01-22 08:59:29 PM  
something tells me the lack of optimism might have something to do with the "do fark all" congress
 
2013-01-22 09:01:37 PM  

AeAe: ramblinwreck: AeAe: Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?

Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.

And the S&P is at almost 1,500...

2 of the 3 stock indices are at 5 year highs. So as far as the market is concerned, there's a lot of confidence there. The market is a leading indicator. The current price of stocks are a factor of future earnings.. so investors are thinking profitable futures.


Then you gotta admit that they're a little bit confused. Sometimes it seems to them as if they're just being used. They should stay awake, try and shake off this creeping malaise.
 
2013-01-22 09:02:47 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Gunther: if you were born in 1990, on average you are going to stay in school longer to work longer hours for less pay (inflation adjusted) than your parents got at your age.

And you're going to get shiat from the older generations who think the only reason is because you aren't working harder.


I guess that's the joke, right?

Busting my ass for my BS/MS and working part-time (that seemed full-time - teaching and working in analytical chemistry labs) while doing it is totally worth the $20-25k jobs I was offered after grad school. ENLISTING in the Air Force was better than anything out there. Commissioning after 6 years of enlistment was easier because of it and I value the experience, but seriously...fark you Boomers.
 
2013-01-22 09:03:02 PM  

AeAe: ramblinwreck: AeAe: Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?

Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.

And the S&P is at almost 1,500...

2 of the 3 stock indices are at 5 year highs. So as far as the market is concerned, there's a lot of confidence there. The market is a leading indicator. The current price of stocks are a factor of future earnings.. so investors are thinking profitable futures.


And I'd argue that they're at an all time high because corporate profits are also at an all time high. And that is because what jobs they haven't shipped overseas are paying less than they used to, there are less of them to go around, and the benefits are not near what they were even 20 years ago.

Yeah, some people aren't so confident that any of that will ever get fixed.

/I'm sure you're not one of them, as you make $500k an hour from home or something
 
2013-01-22 09:04:00 PM  
It looks like the Freepers have found the article and are threadshiatting it to kingdom come.
 
2013-01-22 09:06:30 PM  
I'm 26 (born in 1986) and I'm pretty optimistic right now. I'm going to be better educated than my parents and probably higher earning as well. I feel like my generation as a whole is much more down to earth and realistic about life than my parents generation. In fact, I kind of think that my generation is going to end up being another "greatish-generation" kind of thing in 30 or 40 years from now. I saw 9/11 happen when I was a sophomore in high school, had a number of friends enlist and go serve. We weathered the great recession of 2008 despite being the most vulnerable element of the population (excepting perhaps those about to immediately retire).

The economy is going up, all of my friends have jobs (something that wasn't true 2 years ago). We're happy about healthcare reform and think the country is moving in a positive direction politically. I feel that a lot of really negative influences on our culture are dying out.
 
2013-01-22 09:07:33 PM  
Yay?
 
2013-01-22 09:08:30 PM  

buzzcut73: AeAe: ramblinwreck: AeAe: Farker Soze: What, are we in a crisis of confidence or something?

Well, if the VIX is any indicator, it's at a 5-year low.

And the S&P is at almost 1,500...

2 of the 3 stock indices are at 5 year highs. So as far as the market is concerned, there's a lot of confidence there. The market is a leading indicator. The current price of stocks are a factor of future earnings.. so investors are thinking profitable futures.

And I'd argue that they're at an all time high because corporate profits are also at an all time high. And that is because what jobs they haven't shipped overseas are paying less than they used to, there are less of them to go around, and the benefits are not near what they were even 20 years ago.

Yeah, some people aren't so confident that any of that will ever get fixed.

/I'm sure you're not one of them, as you make $500k an hour from home or something


Not that it matters, but, no. I have some investments and my 401k. I'm not wealthy.

Here's the thing .. don't you think employment is predicated on how corporations are doing? If corporations are profitable, then maybe they'll start hiring. Heaven knows they won't hire if they are not profitable, right?
 
2013-01-22 09:09:56 PM  

Ishkur: It looks like the Freepers have found the article and are threadshiatting it to kingdom come.



Ah, so that's what Freeperland looks like. I've heard stories -- don't think I could even lurk there w/o some sort of internet derp armor.
 
2013-01-22 09:10:07 PM  

b0rg9: Holy shiat the comments section!


Wow, you aren't kidding.

Anyone still believe the last election wasn't rigged?

Modern day media is a joke. BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY LIBERALS AND COMMUNISTS.

Obviously, you don't got Obamaphone
 
2013-01-22 09:11:02 PM  
The American people may be a little depressed because, after winning a clear majority of the votes, we still can't get those farking Teabaggers and repub wingnuts out of the House, ensuring another two years of repub douchebaggery and minimal accomplishment. As to the question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" the answer has been a resounding yes. Not as well off as I'd like to be (see previous comment about repubs) but certainly better than I was when the economy was reeling, banks and insurance companies were going under, the value of my 401K utterly evaporated and I was expecting to be laid off at any second. I got a raise this year, and a bonus. Thank you, Barack Obama.
 
2013-01-22 09:11:03 PM  

b0rg9: Ishkur: It looks like the Freepers have found the article and are threadshiatting it to kingdom come.


Ah, so that's what Freeperland looks like. I've heard stories -- don't think I could even lurk there w/o some sort of internet derp armor.


Actually, It's worse.
 
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