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(MSNBC)   Rush Limbaugh: "If Civil Rights Activists In The '60s Had Owned Guns, You Think They Would Have Needed Selma?" Malcolm X: "So I went back to the 60s in a time machine and tried out your suggestion. It didn't go well"   (tv.msnbc.com) divider line 297
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2013-01-22 03:51:30 PM  
Rush really doesn't get what MLK was going for, does he
 
2013-01-22 03:56:01 PM  
I'm always impressed by Limbaugh's brightness and analyses.
 
2013-01-22 03:56:33 PM  
haha, he even used the line "I don't know, I'm just asking". wow.
 
2013-01-22 04:01:16 PM  
So.....  Rush wanted an armed race war?
 
2013-01-22 04:03:44 PM  
Rush lives in Florida.  He has a gun.  He is also a drug addict with a long history of making irrational and violent threats against innocent members of society.

WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE STAND THEIR FARKING GROUND WITH THIS DOUCHEBAG?
 
2013-01-22 04:05:30 PM  
"If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma? I don't know, I'm just asking."

FLAG DOWN ON THE PLAY!!! That's Glenn Beck's mantra. You can't steal his schtick, Rushbo.
 
2013-01-22 04:08:51 PM  
Yes, because the justice system is very fair to black people in the south.

/sarcasm
 
2013-01-22 04:11:38 PM  
Bill Hicks has been dead for 19 years.

This motherfarker is still talking.
 
2013-01-22 04:18:35 PM  

Bloody William: Bill Hicks has been dead for 19 years.

This motherfarker is still talking.


*sigh*
 
2013-01-22 04:31:48 PM  
Interesting thing I thought about:

I made the same argument that John Lewis did - that people started buying into the nonviolence approach, and that it started working - on my first day in a "Rhetoric of Black America" class.

My teacher issued the politest and most fact-filled annihilation of an argument I've ever been privy to. After MLK was shot, she said, the civil rights movement got violenter and violenter (or really, less and less nonviolent) - the rise of NoI, the rise of Black Panther-type groups, the slow death of nonviolence-uber-alles crusaders and groups espousing it.

It's hard to maintain a nonviolent position when violence is shrinking the numbers on your side that much faster. Thankfully, there was no full-on Race War, as tensions on both sides died down (probably due more to the gradual social acceptance of diversity and an unacceptability of racism than specific actions by individuals).

// I'm probably not doing the history justice, and I know I'm not doing her argument justice
// she had some citations and sources
// and I'm definitely not going to argue with John Lewis' assessment of things - he was there, I was not
// and the social pressures are probably due in no small measure to activists like Lewis
// so I don't know what I'm saying, other than nonviolence tends to get more credit than it's due
 
2013-01-22 04:40:26 PM  
Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.
 
2013-01-22 04:44:00 PM  
The problem with trying to deconstruct what Rush says is that you have to accept, even if only temporarily, that it's a legitimate opinion or argument.  And I simply cannot do that.
 
2013-01-22 04:55:38 PM  

RexTalionis: Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.


It was actually the 80's and the change is referred to as the Knox Revolution.
 
2013-01-22 04:56:40 PM  

jbuist: RexTalionis: Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.

It was actually the 80's and the change is referred to as the Knox Revolution.


Was it? I defer to you, then. It's been a while since I read the article about it.
 
2013-01-22 05:01:55 PM  
FTA: "If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge?" he asked.

No, you pill-popping hippo, he would have been shot.
 
2013-01-22 05:17:06 PM  

Speaker2Animals: FTA: "If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge?" he asked.

No, you pill-popping hippo, he would have been shot lynched.

 
2013-01-22 05:22:52 PM  

PreMortem: Speaker2Animals: FTA: "If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge?" he asked.

No, you pill-popping hippo, he would have been shot lynched, and dragged through the streets of Selma.

 
2013-01-22 05:42:29 PM  
Mr. Limbaugh is so very lucky that his audience is absolutely ignorant of history -- and, even of current events.

Most people are unaware of the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921.  But, here's a primer:

blog.readex.com

Is there anybody who seriously doubts the same would've happened in Alabama at Selma or in Mississippi at Oxford or in Arkansas at Little Rock had the Civil Rights Pioneers not insisted on nonviolent resistance?
 
2013-01-22 05:42:43 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: So..... Rush wanted an armed race war?


I was thinking the same thing.  It could have gone bad in so many different ways.  If things deteriorated enough, we might have had armed hit squads conducting terror raids and assassinations, at least until martial law was declared the national guard was called in to "secure" black neighborhoods.  And if there were assumptions that blacks were always carrying, Jim Bob could shoot first when in a confrontation under the theory that "they're coming right for me!".
 
2013-01-22 05:44:15 PM  

mahuika: Rush really doesn't get what MLK was going for, does he


to be fair, Limbaugh is confused about a LOT of things, not just MLK.  take today for example - he started off his show saying how much he LOVED the painkillers he's taking for his shoulder problems, then degenerated into a rant about how Reagan was great and perfect and his political tactics were pure and good and wonderful....but then when Obama started using those exact same tactics to advance his goals, well...Obama was dirty, evil and corrupting and all kinds of bad.  For me though, the high (heh) point of the show today was when Limbaugh TWICE said that no Republican anywhere has ever lied about a Democrat in order to get elected....and Rush said this with a straight face.

so when you consider how deluded and insane Limbaugh is becoming, it's not much of a stretch to believe Rush has completely rewritten Martin Luther King to better suit his own personal agenda.  facts don't come into this, it's about what Limbaugh says the facts are is what his dittohead cultists will believe.
 
2013-01-22 05:44:57 PM  

Dinjiin: And if there were assumptions that blacks were always carrying, Jim Bob could shoot first when in a confrontation under the theory that "they're coming right for me!".


You mean "stand your ground"?
 
2013-01-22 05:45:25 PM  
www.bilerico.com
 
2013-01-22 05:46:05 PM  
www.peopleofcolororganize.com

Black Panthers 1968
 
2013-01-22 05:48:14 PM  
Harry Turtledove frowns on his shenanigans.

/try a few rocket launchers and drones against the Alabama National Guard
 
2013-01-22 05:55:21 PM  
Yeah, that's worked really well for Palestinians, hasn't it?
 
2013-01-22 05:56:49 PM  
*inhales deeply through nose*
I love the smell of GOP desperation in the afternoon.
 
2013-01-22 05:58:52 PM  

RexTalionis: jbuist: RexTalionis: Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.

It was actually the 80's and the change is referred to as the Knox Revolution.

Was it? I defer to you, then. It's been a while since I read the article about it.


I think jb is talking about Neal Knox, who came to power in the 70s and was ousted within a few years. He tried to start a competing org, but was more successful drawing support to himself to stage a coup in the NRA in the mid 90s. To get rid of him, the competing faction enlisted Charlton Heston and booted Knox out. He was a notoriously hardline attention whore, but I don't recall any of his antics being a response to the Black Panthers arming themselves.

/lifetime NRA member since 81?
//not a big fan the last several years
 
2013-01-22 06:01:29 PM  
And if the founders had given slaves guns everything would have been sunshine and rainbows.

Again I have to question how people this stupid are able to dress themselves and remember to breathe.
 
2013-01-22 06:08:17 PM  
You know, maybe if the Nazis had guns they wouldn't have lost WWII. I don't know, I'm just asking the question.
 
2013-01-22 06:10:08 PM  

dugitman: RexTalionis: jbuist: RexTalionis: Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.

It was actually the 80's and the change is referred to as the Knox Revolution.

Was it? I defer to you, then. It's been a while since I read the article about it.

I think jb is talking about Neal Knox, who came to power in the 70s and was ousted within a few years. He tried to start a competing org, but was more successful drawing support to himself to stage a coup in the NRA in the mid 90s. To get rid of him, the competing faction enlisted Charlton Heston and booted Knox out. He was a notoriously hardline attention whore, but I don't recall any of his antics being a response to the Black Panthers arming themselves.

/lifetime NRA member since 81?
//not a big fan the last several years



Here's the article I was referring to earlier.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-histo ry -of-guns/308608/
 
2013-01-22 06:11:24 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Interesting thing I thought about:

I made the same argument that John Lewis did - that people started buying into the nonviolence approach, and that it started working - on my first day in a "Rhetoric of Black America" class.

My teacher issued the politest and most fact-filled annihilation of an argument I've ever been privy to. After MLK was shot, she said, the civil rights movement got violenter and violenter (or really, less and less nonviolent) - the rise of NoI, the rise of Black Panther-type groups, the slow death of nonviolence-uber-alles crusaders and groups espousing it.

It's hard to maintain a nonviolent position when violence is shrinking the numbers on your side that much faster. Thankfully, there was no full-on Race War, as tensions on both sides died down (probably due more to the gradual social acceptance of diversity and an unacceptability of racism than specific actions by individuals).

// I'm probably not doing the history justice, and I know I'm not doing her argument justice
// she had some citations and sources
// and I'm definitely not going to argue with John Lewis' assessment of things - he was there, I was not
// and the social pressures are probably due in no small measure to activists like Lewis
// so I don't know what I'm saying, other than nonviolence tends to get more credit than it's due


I researched the progression of Civil Rights Act of 1964. Business supported it because all of the non violent activist were having an impact on their business.

Because racism was codified in law, business could not treat customers equally. The sooner this was rectified, the sooner they could go back to normal and got more customers.

When people resist oppressors without getting violent, it throws the tyrants off guard - and removes any moral high ground.
 
2013-01-22 06:12:52 PM  

RexTalionis: dugitman: RexTalionis: jbuist: RexTalionis: Fun Fact: The modern NRA's emphasis on a hardline-interpretation of the 2nd Amendment began as a reaction from white gunowners to black groups like the Black Panthers arming themselves in the 60s and 70s.

It was actually the 80's and the change is referred to as the Knox Revolution.

Was it? I defer to you, then. It's been a while since I read the article about it.

I think jb is talking about Neal Knox, who came to power in the 70s and was ousted within a few years. He tried to start a competing org, but was more successful drawing support to himself to stage a coup in the NRA in the mid 90s. To get rid of him, the competing faction enlisted Charlton Heston and booted Knox out. He was a notoriously hardline attention whore, but I don't recall any of his antics being a response to the Black Panthers arming themselves.

/lifetime NRA member since 81?
//not a big fan the last several years


Here's the article I was referring to earlier.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-histo ry -of-guns/308608/


Although I might've been wrong about why the NRA reacted - apparently, it was a reaction to laws to disarm the Black Panthers and not the Black Panthers themselves.
 
2013-01-22 06:16:06 PM  

fusillade762: And if the founders had given slaves guns everything would have been sunshine and rainbows.

Again I have to question how people this stupid are able to dress themselves and remember to breathe.


I was gonna reference that guy...what an idiot.

So, Rush, in a region where the established power structure wouldn't let black people vote do you think they would have let them buy and carry a bunch of guns?  I know you're dumb, and probably high, but that is some atomic stupid right there.
 
2013-01-22 06:38:12 PM  
Ah, Rush "as long as I'm in the news I'm making money" Limbaugh. Why do we talk about him, again?
 
2013-01-22 06:47:27 PM  
Rush seems to be making a rather pathetic attempt to troll and get a rise out of people to somehow stay relevant. And it's obviously working because he still has acolytes. That's cool, whatever funds his oxyies and Dominican boys. I just sort of feel bad for his "dittoheads". Well "bad" is a strong word but they're definitely pathetic.
 
2013-01-22 06:51:34 PM  
Rush is AWESOME.

No, I mean it literally, as in he inspires awe in me. I'm constantly amazed at how utterly insane he seems. I adjust my expectations, he exceeds them.
I'm in awe.
 
2013-01-22 06:56:41 PM  
I support arming the succulent boy prostitutes of Santo Domingo. Does Rush?
 
2013-01-22 06:57:14 PM  
Civil Rights, in which you fight for rights that do not exist but many think should.

Constitutional Rights, in which you fight for rights that do exist but a few think shouldn't.

It does amuse the hell out of me that people who purport to be as supportive of rights as liberals do seem keen as hell on limiting the 2nd Amendment as much as possible. I'd ask what they would think if somebody tried to limit Freedom of Speech or Freedom of Expression as much as possible, but liberals do that all the time on college campuses, which is why FIRE stays busy. Then there was the "Fairness Doctrine".
 
2013-01-22 06:58:45 PM  
There has been to my knowledge one successful slave revolt in history, and that was against the French, so it barely counts.

I do have to admit to being amused at the new conservative mantra of "If all of the people we oppressed in the past had guns, we wouldn't have been able to oppress them!"
 
2013-01-22 06:59:00 PM  
Can you imagine if Black people in the 60s used guns instead?

It would have been a massacre and set back civil rights by decades.
 
2013-01-22 06:59:25 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Dr Dreidel: Interesting thing I thought about:

I made the same argument that John Lewis did - that people started buying into the nonviolence approach, and that it started working - on my first day in a "Rhetoric of Black America" class.

My teacher issued the politest and most fact-filled annihilation of an argument I've ever been privy to. After MLK was shot, she said, the civil rights movement got violenter and violenter (or really, less and less nonviolent) - the rise of NoI, the rise of Black Panther-type groups, the slow death of nonviolence-uber-alles crusaders and groups espousing it.

It's hard to maintain a nonviolent position when violence is shrinking the numbers on your side that much faster. Thankfully, there was no full-on Race War, as tensions on both sides died down (probably due more to the gradual social acceptance of diversity and an unacceptability of racism than specific actions by individuals).

// I'm probably not doing the history justice, and I know I'm not doing her argument justice
// she had some citations and sources
// and I'm definitely not going to argue with John Lewis' assessment of things - he was there, I was not
// and the social pressures are probably due in no small measure to activists like Lewis
// so I don't know what I'm saying, other than nonviolence tends to get more credit than it's due

I researched the progression of Civil Rights Act of 1964. Business supported it because all of the non violent activist were having an impact on their business.

Because racism was codified in law, business could not treat customers equally. The sooner this was rectified, the sooner they could go back to normal and got more customers.

When people resist oppressors without getting violent, it throws the tyrants off guard - and removes any moral high ground.


Another way to look at it is that money trumps bigotry.
 
2013-01-22 06:59:36 PM  
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the content of their gun rack but by the derpitude of their whaargarbl."
 
2013-01-22 07:02:28 PM  

randomjsa: Civil Rights, in which you fight for rights that do not exist but many think should. Constitutional Rights, in which you fight for rights that do exist but a few think shouldn't. It does amuse the hell out of me that people who purport to be as supportive of rights as liberals do seem keen as hell on blah blah blah...


What part of "well regulated" didn't you understand?
 
2013-01-22 07:02:57 PM  
I remember stories of little tykes in exotic northern urban areas dropping hand grenades onto the L (elevated) trains.

Those were the days when you could buy manufactured devices instead of improvising them.
If Rush hadn't been eating/doping/raping through the 60s and 70s, he'd remember that.
 
2013-01-22 07:06:05 PM  
more and more extreme to keep an ever shrinking audience listening.
 
2013-01-22 07:06:20 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Dr Dreidel: Interesting thing I thought about:

I made the same argument that John Lewis did - that people started buying into the nonviolence approach, and that it started working - on my first day in a "Rhetoric of Black America" class.

My teacher issued the politest and most fact-filled annihilation of an argument I've ever been privy to. After MLK was shot, she said, the civil rights movement got violenter and violenter (or really, less and less nonviolent) - the rise of NoI, the rise of Black Panther-type groups, the slow death of nonviolence-uber-alles crusaders and groups espousing it.

It's hard to maintain a nonviolent position when violence is shrinking the numbers on your side that much faster. Thankfully, there was no full-on Race War, as tensions on both sides died down (probably due more to the gradual social acceptance of diversity and an unacceptability of racism than specific actions by individuals).

// I'm probably not doing the history justice, and I know I'm not doing her argument justice
// she had some citations and sources
// and I'm definitely not going to argue with John Lewis' assessment of things - he was there, I was not
// and the social pressures are probably due in no small measure to activists like Lewis
// so I don't know what I'm saying, other than nonviolence tends to get more credit than it's due

I researched the progression of Civil Rights Act of 1964. Business supported it because all of the non violent activist were having an impact on their business.

Because racism was codified in law, business could not treat customers equally. The sooner this was rectified, the sooner they could go back to normal and got more customers.

When people resist oppressors without getting violent, it throws the tyrants off guard - and removes any moral high ground.


I've also seen a good argument that the civil rights movement began to lose cohesion and moral authority right around the time the Panthers began to advocate armed resistance.
 
2013-01-22 07:07:49 PM  
If you look up pilonidal cyst on wikipedia there is a picture of Rush after he was removed from one. Pilonidal cyst, biatches. Gets you out of being drafted every time.
 
2013-01-22 07:08:04 PM  

randomjsa: Civil Rights, in which you fight for rights that do not exist but many think should.

Constitutional Rights, in which you fight for rights that do exist but a few think shouldn't.



I bet that sounded really cool inside your head, didn't it?
 
2013-01-22 07:09:04 PM  

vernonFL: [www.peopleofcolororganize.com image 424x336]

Black Panthers 1968


So, I'm just thinking...

Maybe the solution here is to "bring back" the Black Panther Party.  Get some menacing looking black guys, lots of weapons, and lots of public statements thanking the NRA for making sure they have all the weapons they want.
 
2013-01-22 07:10:20 PM  

RexTalionis: Here's the article I was referring to earlier.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-histo ry -of-guns/308608/

Although I might've been wrong about why the NRA reacted - apparently, it was a reaction to laws to disarm the Black Panthers and not the Black Panthers themselves.


Regardless, that was an interesting read. I didnt realize the NRA actually wrote and established the first gun control laws back in the 1930s. Thanks for the story.
 
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