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(Think Progress)   Governor McDonnell (R-VA) is horrified that the Republicans in the Virginia state senate used one Democrat's visit to the inauguration to push through a gerrymandering bill, but might just pass it anyway   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 146
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2013-01-22 03:42:03 PM
another dim VA politician who never took math and can't figure out that the tide of demographics is not on the side of 19th century thinking.
 
2013-01-22 05:47:35 PM
There are dick moves, and then there is "waiting for one of your opponents to be away at the presidential inauguration so you can pass your gerrymandered districts without interference."
 
2013-01-22 06:00:53 PM

FishyFred: There are dick moves, and then there is "waiting for one of your opponents to be away at the presidential inauguration so you can pass your gerrymandered districts without interference."


Don't worry, a bunch of fark "posters" will be along shortly to tell us how this is OK because the Dems gerrymander too
 
2013-01-22 06:02:21 PM
I am Joe's complete lack of surprise.
 
2013-01-22 06:02:51 PM
Now he has to decide whether the political cost of signing exceeds the political benefit. Politics is mostly just arithmetic, after all. If a majority of the voters oppose the move it was blatant over-reaching; if a majority support it, it was a brilliant tactical move. The governor will now have to place his bet.
 
2013-01-22 06:03:23 PM
Isn't Virginia one of those states the fed look REAL close at whenever they redistrict?
 
2013-01-22 06:03:54 PM
www.peachpundit.com
 
2013-01-22 06:03:58 PM
The gop understands that they can't win if they don't cheat. The news here is that there is a reuplican who might do the right thing.
 
2013-01-22 06:04:26 PM
gerrymandering - because we never wanted to be a democracy anyway.
 
2013-01-22 06:05:51 PM

Tigger: gerrymandering - because we never wanted to be a democracy anyway.


The anti-federalists wanted a democracy, perhaps, but the federalists emphatically wanted no such thing.
 
2013-01-22 06:06:03 PM
Of course he's going to sign it. If he doesn't he'll never work again.
 
2013-01-22 06:06:46 PM

Jackson Herring: FishyFred: There are dick moves, and then there is "waiting for one of your opponents to be away at the presidential inauguration so you can pass your gerrymandered districts without interference."

Don't worry, a bunch of fark "posters" will be along shortly to tell us how this is OK because the Dems gerrymander too


They gerrymander to fix the crap the GOP does to give themselves an unfair advantage. I forgot, though, that BSABSVR. My bad.
 
2013-01-22 06:06:48 PM
But Obama supported gay rights yesterday, so gerrymandering is ok.
 
2013-01-22 06:06:59 PM

Jackson Herring: FishyFred: There are dick moves, and then there is "waiting for one of your opponents to be away at the presidential inauguration so you can pass your gerrymandered districts without interference."

Don't worry, a bunch of fark "posters" will be along shortly to tell us how this is OK because the Dems gerrymander too


Yup. BSABSVR.

Link needs a "Follow Up" tag.
 
2013-01-22 06:07:35 PM

jcooli09: The gop understands that they can't win if they don't cheat. The news here is that there is a reuplican who might do the right thing.


Don't bet on it. McDonnell is whipped. I can dream, though.
 
2013-01-22 06:07:38 PM
Can't the dems fight back with hookers and coke to distract a few GOPers? or maybe young Dominican boys now that I think of it.
 
2013-01-22 06:07:54 PM
maybe I missed something, but he seems to be reserving any decisions until he sees the actual bill. There's plenty of outrage to be directed at the VA GOP, but lets wait until he actually signs it before we get all stabby.
 
2013-01-22 06:10:19 PM
With an even split of delegates, could the Democrats have deprived the GOP of a quorum?
 
2013-01-22 06:10:50 PM

Don't Touch That: maybe I missed something, but he seems to be reserving any decisions until he sees the actual bill. There's plenty of outrage to be directed at the VA GOP, but lets wait until he actually signs it before we get all stabby.


You mean, just in case the bill the GOP passed during the inauguration is actually about funding the Center for Fluffy Bunnies and not about gerrymandering a public official out of office at all or something like that?
 
2013-01-22 06:11:21 PM
Don't Touch That: maybe I missed something, but he seems to be reserving any decisions until he sees the actual bill. There's plenty of outrage to be directed at the VA GOP, but lets wait until he actually signs it before we get all stabby.

nah, he already passed workaround legislation that will effective shutter abortion clinics, so fark him.
 
2013-01-22 06:11:25 PM
I honestly can't blame McDonnell for not commenting: if the House of Delegates refuses to pass this, then it is a moot point and he doesn't have to worry about the political backlash from either his base or the public at large. He's not going to comment until it is actually in a position to hit his desk.

That said, if he does sign it after doing grandstanding previously about how redistricting should not happen if the Senate doesn't have votes from both parties, he's an asshat of the highest order.
 
2013-01-22 06:14:03 PM

meat0918: Isn't Virginia one of those states the fed look REAL close at whenever they redistrict?


Yep. No chance in hell this survives reveiw by the justice dept.
 
2013-01-22 06:14:32 PM

Grungehamster: I honestly can't blame McDonnell for not commenting: if the House of Delegates refuses to pass this, then it is a moot point and he doesn't have to worry about the political backlash from either his base or the public at large. He's not going to comment until it is actually in a position to hit his desk.

That said, if he does sign it after doing grandstanding previously about how redistricting should not happen if the Senate doesn't have votes from both parties, he's an asshat of the highest order.


That pretty much goes without saying already.

As someone who lives in this progressively backwards commonwealth, I'd like to apologize to the rest of the country. Not all of us are like this. Some of us actually enjoy modern society. I just hope Cuccinelli doesn't manage to get in. You think McDonnell's bad? It will not go well.
 
2013-01-22 06:14:43 PM
So this is what the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower have been reduced to; circumventing the democratic process altogether and snatching power any way they can, just for the sake of wielding power over the People.
 
2013-01-22 06:15:08 PM
We really need a damn Federal standard for setting up congressional districts. The states have proven that they aren't mature enough to handle the task.

Still give big props to the Iowa Republicans, though, who have one of the most sensible looking district maps:
www.wrhammons.com

Not perfect but as far better then any other state that I've seen. They should trade Worth and Chickasaw counties, if the population is a close match.
 
2013-01-22 06:15:23 PM

Grungehamster: ...he's an asshat of the highest order.


He's the Transvag Ultrasound Governor. I think we can start from this position and then work backwards as necessary.
 
2013-01-22 06:16:27 PM

TV's Vinnie: So this is what the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower have been reduced to; circumventing the democratic process altogether and snatching power any way they can, just for the sake of wielding power over the People.


I see it as them acknowledging their party is essentially dead.
 
2013-01-22 06:17:52 PM
Gerrymandering - when the hate your ideas
 
2013-01-22 06:22:43 PM
"the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade."

I wonder how they're rationalizing that away.
 
2013-01-22 06:23:36 PM
To be fair, both sides gerrymander.
 
2013-01-22 06:24:48 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Gerrymandering - when the hate your ideas


Did you just accidentally the whole thing?
 
2013-01-22 06:25:07 PM
I don't think the Republicans understand how much this sort of shiat causes everyone but their core group of fanatics to really and truly hate them.

I sincerely believe this country would be better off if every Republican lawmaker was to commit sepuku.
 
2013-01-22 06:25:09 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade."

I wonder how they're rationalizing that away.


They'll be nice about it and not call for a new one for two decades after they get this passed. Very compromisey.
 
2013-01-22 06:25:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade."

I wonder how they're rationalizing that away.


They're assholes.

You know what? I hope McDonnell does sign it. Go ahead, sign it, you pussy.

That way when it gets over turned in the courts the Democrats can drag it out in news for months about what cheating pricks the Republicans are.
 
2013-01-22 06:25:54 PM

Satanic_Hamster: We really need a damn Federal standard for setting up congressional districts. The states have proven that they aren't mature enough to handle the task.

Still give big props to the Iowa Republicans, though, who have one of the most sensible looking district maps:
[www.wrhammons.com image 776x600]

Not perfect but as far better then any other state that I've seen. They should trade Worth and Chickasaw counties, if the population is a close match.


Worth has about 7500, Chickasaw about 12,500.

/Yes there are neighborhoods in NYC bigger then that
//Probably buildings in NYC bigger then that
 
2013-01-22 06:26:12 PM

RandomExcess: To be fair, both sides gerrymander.


FTFA: The maps were not considered in committee nor available for public comment - rather, Sen. John Watkins (R) offered them as a surprise floor amendment to House Bill 259 - and the Republican plurality limited floor debate to just minutes before forcing a vote on final passage. As Blue Virginia notes, it is unclear whether this mid-decade redistricting is even constitutional, as the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade.

Do both sides do this?
 
2013-01-22 06:27:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade."

I wonder how they're rationalizing that away.


Because Jesus and omb0mahusseinfartb0ngoo is trying to take their guns...
Or blah people/

The only 3 reasons republicans ever do anything...
 
2013-01-22 06:27:32 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how they're rationalizing that away.


Your statement contains at least one assumption that may be faulty. I'll let you find it on your own.

Also, as someone pointed out in another of the gerrymandering threads, getting disproportionate representation requires making super-solid democratic districts and razor-thin majorities in a bunch of republican districts. That means that while no republicans have hopes of making major headway in democratic seats, very small demographic and voter shifts can swing large numbers of republican seats. Here's hoping their carefully thought out gerrymandering plan blows up in their faces.
 
2013-01-22 06:28:02 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Not perfect but as far better then any other state that I've seen. They should trade Worth and Chickasaw counties, if the population is a close match.


meh, only 4 districts, 1?2 big cities not too hard to do
very homogeneous population outside of the big cities

you look at a NY or IL
you have big cities, huge black and hispanic populations.
the OLD maps didnt help those groups get representation
the NEWER maps gerrymandered a hispanic district and a number of black districts.
TADA, those people ACTUALLY have representation???
YAY

we are screwed until we upgrade the current system
 
2013-01-22 06:30:04 PM

TommyDeuce: Satanic_Hamster: We really need a damn Federal standard for setting up congressional districts. The states have proven that they aren't mature enough to handle the task.

Still give big props to the Iowa Republicans, though, who have one of the most sensible looking district maps:
[www.wrhammons.com image 776x600]

Not perfect but as far better then any other state that I've seen. They should trade Worth and Chickasaw counties, if the population is a close match.

Worth has about 7500, Chickasaw about 12,500.

/Yes there are neighborhoods in NYC bigger then that
//Probably buildings in NYC bigger then that


Worth county has towns named Fertile, and Manly. And yes, they are right next to each other.

/Chickasaw has "The Little Brown Church"
//No relation to "The Little Brown Jug"
 
2013-01-22 06:33:44 PM
Will the Governor probe the bill?
 
2013-01-22 06:35:00 PM
Can we PLEASE bring back the Pillory and the Stocks?

PLEASE!
 
2013-01-22 06:38:42 PM

Satanic_Hamster: We really need a damn Federal standard for setting up congressional districts. The states have proven that they aren't mature enough to handle the task.

Still give big props to the Iowa Republicans, though, who have one of the most sensible looking district maps:
[www.wrhammons.com image 776x600]

Not perfect but as far better then any other state that I've seen. They should trade Worth and Chickasaw counties, if the population is a close match.


Iowa - few large cities, mountain ranges, or major rivers. All the counties are square. Easy to lay out districts that are politically, culturally, and topographically homogeneous simply by dividing roughly into quarters. Now, look at my state (note that this map predates the recent creation of a tenth district, but for illustrative purposes it will serve):

upload.wikimedia.org

Those big districts are like Iowa - sparsely populated and demographically homogeneous. The smaller districts represent distinct regions of the state with unique natural and cultural identites, and pretty much follow either county lines or natural boundaries (in fact, the two are generally the same). That tiny little district on Puget Sound is mostly the city of Seattle, where most of the state's population resides.

It is impossible to tell, simply by looking at shapes on a map, whether the boundaries of congressional districts make sense. Except, of course, in Iowa.
 
2013-01-22 06:41:23 PM

Jackson Herring: FishyFred: There are dick moves, and then there is "waiting for one of your opponents to be away at the presidential inauguration so you can pass your gerrymandered districts without interference."

Don't worry, a bunch of fark "posters" will be along shortly to tell us how this is OK because the Dems gerrymander too


Actually, the derp in Virginia con circles is that if the guy didn't want the districts gerrymandered, then he should not have gone to the inauguration. They are using the term "personal holiday" when describing his absence.
 
2013-01-22 06:41:29 PM

namatad: we are screwed until we upgrade the current system


As I understand it, there are ways to improve the system, but no perfect solution. A few options:

1. Force both major parties to agree on district maps. Unfortunately, this leads to safe districts for both parties.
2. Use a mathematical formula to draw districts. Still better, but may still create uncompetitive districts.
3. Have a nonpartisan committee draw competitive districts. Of these three, this works the best as long as the committee is actually nonpartisan.

Personally, I tend to lean toward #2. It's not perfect, but it makes it the most difficult to redraw districts for partisan gain (since you can't bribe a mathematical formula, and anyone with the necessary math skills can verify that the boundaries are drawn correctly).
 
2013-01-22 06:43:09 PM

Soup4Bonnie: RandomExcess: To be fair, both sides gerrymander.

FTFA: The maps were not considered in committee nor available for public comment - rather, Sen. John Watkins (R) offered them as a surprise floor amendment to House Bill 259 - and the Republican plurality limited floor debate to just minutes before forcing a vote on final passage. As Blue Virginia notes, it is unclear whether this mid-decade redistricting is even constitutional, as the Virginia constitution calls for new maps only once every decade.

Do both sides do this?


I don't imagine the legislator who's getting shafted is real worried about this, if that bit about the Virginia constitution is really true. He probably already has a lawyer writing up the lawsuit, and an committee working on advertisements about how dick of a move this is.

He might also want to think about submitting a resolution to have the Virginia constitution read aloud.
 
2013-01-22 06:43:29 PM

BMulligan: That tiny little district on Puget Sound is mostly the city of Seattle, where most of the state's population resides.


McDermott's Fighting Seventh! Huzzah!
 
2013-01-22 06:43:57 PM

jcooli09: The gop understands that they can't win if they don't cheat. The news here is that there is a reuplican who might do the right thing.


This. And don't kid yourself; he won't.
 
2013-01-22 06:43:59 PM
Payback's a biatch huh
 
2013-01-22 06:44:28 PM

anfrind: namatad: we are screwed until we upgrade the current system

As I understand it, there are ways to improve the system, but no perfect solution. A few options:

1. Force both major parties to agree on district maps. Unfortunately, this leads to safe districts for both parties.
2. Use a mathematical formula to draw districts. Still better, but may still create uncompetitive districts.
3. Have a nonpartisan committee draw competitive districts. Of these three, this works the best as long as the committee is actually nonpartisan.

Personally, I tend to lean toward #2. It's not perfect, but it makes it the most difficult to redraw districts for partisan gain (since you can't bribe a mathematical formula, and anyone with the necessary math skills can verify that the boundaries are drawn correctly).


4. Let the minority parties like the Greens and Libertarians write up the districts as a bi-partisan effort.
 
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