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2013-01-22 08:44:05 PM  

TheBushwhacker: Based on the pics, I give this until about next Monday before Apple sues it into oblivion.


They are more likely to be sued by a patent troll or really any other company but Apple.

/but continue your Apple hate if it keeps you warm at night
 
2013-01-22 08:50:58 PM  

jvl: HeartBurnKid: jvl: Is it really rocket science to build a phone which does not look like a clone of the iPhone? Designers never had trouble with that before 2007.

Ah, I was wondering when the iFanboys would show up to talk about how Apple invented everything.

In the Special Android Fan world, pointing out the obvious is being a fanboy. And lurking for someone to point out the obvious is normal. Also, padded walls.

/ No offense to those of you who are Android Fans, but not Special Android Fans


You mean the "obvious" that anything with a touchscreen and rounded corners is an iPhone clone?
 
2013-01-22 09:06:08 PM  
I've used Firefox for since the early 2000s and...these things that people whine about...I've never experienced. And frankly, I don't know how someone can use a browser that they can't tweak and customize to the extent that Firefox allows. Chrome makes me feel like a prisoner. IE feels like North Korea.

I've graduated to Pale Moon (Firefox for 64-bit machines) within the last six months. And my browser kicks all y'alls browsers' asses!
 
2013-01-22 09:14:40 PM  

WhippingBoy: I thought I was the only one who loathed Firefox. Everyone I work with thinks it's Jeebus.


Firefox isn't Opera and if it isn't Opera it can go fark itself.

/posted with Opera
 
2013-01-22 09:16:10 PM  
iOS.
Android.
Windows Phone.

Maybe Blackberry.

That's all I would care to develop for. The rest of them... c'mon. Blackberry is floundering anyways and Windows Phone won't gain a solid foothold until Microsoft grows the balls to stick it to Google in ways that make them expendable in making a smartphone work.
 
2013-01-22 09:16:30 PM  

gingerjet: Does it lock up and crash every three hours like the desktop version of Firefox?


Firefox 2 was a long time ago, dude.
 
2013-01-22 09:20:40 PM  

jvl: HeartBurnKid: jvl: Is it really rocket science to build a phone which does not look like a clone of the iPhone? Designers never had trouble with that before 2007.

Ah, I was wondering when the iFanboys would show up to talk about how Apple invented everything.

In the Special Android Fan world, pointing out the obvious is being a fanboy. And lurking for someone to point out the obvious is normal. Also, padded walls.

/ No offense to those of you who are Android Fans, but not Special Android Fans

They refer to anyone who comment about anything Windows is a paid shill
 
2013-01-22 09:25:43 PM  

gingerjet: Does it lock up and crash every three hours like the desktop version of Firefox?


I already covered that, but thanks for this post. I tried going back to Chrome, but this creepy dude in a trench coat always was watching me masturbate.
 
2013-01-22 09:33:35 PM  
v1.18.25.2? They're up to v57 now.
 
2013-01-22 09:43:15 PM  
No thanks. In three years it will probably weigh 50 pounds and need a car battery.

/get it?
//I'm making fun of firefox because it is bloated.
 
2013-01-22 09:49:56 PM  
My really obscure smartphone uses an OS that you've probably never heard of.
 
2013-01-22 09:52:10 PM  
In other news, there are some AWESOME videos of Elder Scrolls Online now available.

Looks much better than that crappy looking Firefox phone.
 
2013-01-22 09:52:14 PM  

azpenguin: My really obscure smartphone uses an OS that you've probably never heard of.


BlackBerry, huh? Sorry to hear that.
 
2013-01-22 10:08:38 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Mercutio74: jvl: Is it really rocket science to build a phone which does not look like a clone of the iPhone? Designers never had trouble with that before 2007.

Well seeing how the very idea of a smartphone is that it's all screen, it's kinda difficult not to build a device that's rectangular (because all visual media is rectangular) and 90% screen on the front of the phone.

I think /he/she was talking about the icon placement


How come no one makes those bikes with the one huge front wheel and tiny back wheel any more?
 
2013-01-22 10:21:13 PM  

hobberwickey: As an developer who works a lot with HTML5 I am really excited about this. Unfortunately I do question whether it will do well because there are far far to many people who 'know' HTML5/CSS/Javascript who will write the crappiest, clunkiest apps for this and it'll fall apart.

HTML5 is great when done right, but it is almost never done right. I blame JQuery. IE 7/8


IE has the second most-used browser out there, and the majority of it is still 8 or earlier, which doesn't support HTML5. The hacks we have to use to get shiat to work for IE is retarded.

/IE 9 isn't bad, most stuff works without issue.
//Still wishes everyone just used WebKit.
 
2013-01-22 10:37:26 PM  
There was an image floating around the rumor sites earlier this week that was suppose to be the new UI for the iphone 6. People were getting all excited about how cool and revolutionary it looked... until someone pointed out that the images were actually screenshots from Windows Mobile 6.5. Suddenly all the talk about how revolutionary hexagons were for an interface went away. At least it was good for quite a laugh.

/You'd think people who have noticed the date in the notification bar was from 2010.
 
2013-01-22 10:39:41 PM  

EngineerAU: There was an image floating around the rumor sites earlier this week that was suppose to be the new UI for the iphone 6. People were getting all excited about how cool and revolutionary it looked... until someone pointed out that the images were actually screenshots from Windows Mobile 6.5. Suddenly all the talk about how revolutionary hexagons were for an interface went away. At least it was good for quite a laugh.

/You'd think people who have noticed the date in the notification bar was from 2010.


This sounds suspiciously like those commercials where they had to trick people into using Windows Vista by claiming it was something else.
 
2013-01-22 10:43:56 PM  

MrEricSir: This sounds suspiciously like those commercials where they had to trick people into using Windows Vista by claiming it was something else.


Folger's Operating System
 
2013-01-22 10:56:30 PM  

YodaBlues: hobberwickey: As an developer who works a lot with HTML5 I am really excited about this. Unfortunately I do question whether it will do well because there are far far to many people who 'know' HTML5/CSS/Javascript who will write the crappiest, clunkiest apps for this and it'll fall apart.

HTML5 is great when done right, but it is almost never done right. I blame JQuery. IE 7/8

IE has the second most-used browser out there, and the majority of it is still 8 or earlier, which doesn't support HTML5. The hacks we have to use to get shiat to work for IE is retarded.

/IE 9 isn't bad, most stuff works without issue.
//Still wishes everyone just used WebKit.


Meh, IE8 is pretty terrible, but at least it's slowly fading away. JQuery's picking up steam and filling the web with crappy, bloated web apps coded by people who go to stackoverflow and ask questions like, 'it is possible to convert this jquery code to javascript?'
 
2013-01-22 11:00:54 PM  
So will these be the first phones with memory leaks?
 
2013-01-22 11:05:04 PM  

DKinMN: drjekel_mrhyde: Mercutio74: jvl: Is it really rocket science to build a phone which does not look like a clone of the iPhone? Designers never had trouble with that before 2007.

Well seeing how the very idea of a smartphone is that it's all screen, it's kinda difficult not to build a device that's rectangular (because all visual media is rectangular) and 90% screen on the front of the phone.

I think /he/she was talking about the icon placement

How come no one makes those bikes with the one huge front wheel and tiny back wheel any more?


I was talking about the 4 icons at the bottom, with three being in the same spot on iOS
Not all mobile OS's have to look like iOS
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-22 11:17:57 PM  
img132.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-22 11:24:44 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Der Poopflinger: I've got firefox on my nexus and I don't care for it much

Ive tried:

Dolphin
Skyfire
Firefox
Chrome
and the standard Android browser

Dolphin worked the best for me (Galaxy SIII)


Can't speak to phones, but I have a 7" Android tablet, and FF is the only browser I use. It's better at non-mobile browsing than other browsers (my preferred state), and has actually has plug-ins, like AdBlock and Three-Finger Swipe (customizable, and I use up to get new tab, down to close tab, right-left to move between tabs, etc.)

The only beefs I have: 1) no full-screen mode, 2) no visible tabs, 3) can't handle large pages like Fark threads of 100+ posts all on one page. That last one is a PITA, but the other browsers aren't much (if any) better.

I've always found it strange that there are more browsers for iOS than for Android - and especially more with ad blocking built in. As far as I know FF is the only Android browser with AdBlock that doesn't require rooting.

On the subject at hand: I'd like to give FFOS a go. As a QA engineer, I'm kind of a an operating system junky. I have computers and mobile devices running at least 9 OSes within reach of my desk right now.
 
2013-01-22 11:28:11 PM  
Igor Jakovsky : Dolphin did everything it was supposed to do, namely, display pages properly, has tabs and displays flash properly. I know of the hatred around here for flash but it is still prevalent. I also use Dolphin on my Touchpad running Cyanogenmod ICS.

On my desktop, you will have to pry Firefox out of my cold dead hands.

On my tablet and phone, I use Dolphin, but wouldn't mind something better.

I don't trust the Dolphin developers, they've done some goofy stuff in prior versions that eventually got rolled back when the community hammered a given version in the reviews.
 
2013-01-22 11:45:37 PM  
I'm sorry, but does that not look EXACTLY like Apples iOS design? Suing over round corners is bullshiat, but come on, I can see Apple suing the living fark out these guys.


At least Googles Android came out with a operating system with some originality that looks nothing like the iOS, but this is a blatant rip off.
 
2013-01-23 12:37:20 AM  

HeartBurnKid: No, there were more than a few "all screen" phones pre-iPhone. Most had a handful of hardware buttons, but it stands to reason that, as the touch screen technology matured and became more trusted, and as the screens themselves got bigger, those would go away too.


Don't forget this:

imageserver.zatzonline.com

Not a phone, but you could get internet access with it- mid '90s
You had to use a stylus on the screen, but it seems obvious that if it was a touch-screen like today you'd incorporate those into the screen.
 
2013-01-23 12:51:29 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: I've always found it strange that there are more browsers for iOS than for Android - and especially more with ad blocking built in. As far as I know FF is the only Android browser with AdBlock that doesn't require rooting.


There is an AdBlock plugin for Dolphin too. Personally, I prefer FF over Dolphin (as you said, Dolphin tends to do some crazy shiat sometimes), but if you really want a Webkit-based browser, it's an option.

And I'll let you in on the dirty little secret of iOS browsers -- each and every one of them on the app store is just a shell around Mobile Safari. Apple doesn't allow any browser that uses a different rendering engine on the App Store.
 
2013-01-23 02:02:16 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Firefox's ... HTML 5-based ... operating system?

picard_wtf_is_this_shiat.jpg


from wiki: " Many features of HTML5 have been built with the consideration of being able to run on low-powered devices such as smartphones and tablets. "
 
2013-01-23 02:41:15 AM  

HeartBurnKid: MrEricSir: Mercutio74: jvl: Is it really rocket science to build a phone which does not look like a clone of the iPhone? Designers never had trouble with that before 2007.

Well seeing how the very idea of a smartphone is that it's all screen, it's kinda difficult not to build a device that's rectangular (because all visual media is rectangular) and 90% screen on the front of the phone.

Um, about that. Before 2007, "the very idea of a smartphone" was that it was 1/2 screen, 1/2 keyboard. Very few smartphones in those days were all screen.

No, there were more than a few "all screen" phones pre-iPhone. Most had a handful of hardware buttons, but it stands to reason that, as the touch screen technology matured and became more trusted, and as the screens themselves got bigger, those would go away too.

[i-cdn.phonearena.com image 500x650]

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This one, I particularly like. Sure, it's more of a feature phone, but it does pre-date the iPhone, and there's no denying the similarities in the design.

[laogsm.files.wordpress.com image 430x359]


www.slashgear.com

Better.

/more hardware slider keyboards, please
 
2013-01-23 03:11:12 AM  

HeartBurnKid: 100 Watt Walrus: I've always found it strange that there are more browsers for iOS than for Android - and especially more with ad blocking built in. As far as I know FF is the only Android browser with AdBlock that doesn't require rooting.

There is an AdBlock plugin for Dolphin too. Personally, I prefer FF over Dolphin (as you said, Dolphin tends to do some crazy shiat sometimes), but if you really want a Webkit-based browser, it's an option.

And I'll let you in on the dirty little secret of iOS browsers -- each and every one of them on the app store is just a shell around Mobile Safari. Apple doesn't allow any browser that uses a different rendering engine on the App Store.


Oh, I know that dirty little secret. And yet I speak from considerable experience when I say Atomic Web is not only faster and more stable than Safari (I'd say Safari bombs 6-8 times more often), but has infinitely more flexibility and customization options - gestures, actual TABS (and open-in-background for links), adblock, full-screen, customizable menus, customizable hotkeys, multiple search engines (including DuckDuckGo and find-in-page), downloads, quick and easy font +/-, quick and easy mobile/desktop toggling, low memory warnings, and a bunch of features I don't use (Dropbox syncing, color themes, quick scrolling).

I tried at least 7 or 8 browsers on my iPod Touch before settling on Atomic. Far far superior to the rest in my book. If they made an Android version, I would have never even tried FF for Android.
 
2013-01-23 05:45:18 AM  

styckx: I'm getting a kick out of reading that on my Nexus 10


Make a lot of phone calls on that 10 inch tablet?
 
2013-01-23 06:22:32 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I was talking about the 4 icons at the bottom

1.bp.blogspot.com
\hot
 
2013-01-23 08:13:59 AM  

WhippingBoy: I thought I was the only one who loathed Firefox. Everyone I work with thinks it's Jeebus.


Not a fan of it, but use it for general internet browsing unless I want to do certain things. All hell breaks loose when I open a pdf, even using 3rd party PDF programs. Youtube videos often seize up the first 20 seconds of them running also, and random webpages will often cause the entire program to lock up for up to a minute unless I block every script that tries to run. Hell, the new version of IE doesn't even have half those problems. Anytime I've needed to open an in-tab PDF of a bill, I use IE because the way Firefox handles the Foxit Reader plugin just causes it to crap out and crash.
 
2013-01-23 08:15:13 AM  

BobtheOwl001: Do we really need another phone OS? If it runs like the browser, it'll just be slower than Android with less features and the text on the display will look horrible.


Why would any consumer want less competition in the market? Especially n this case an open web competitor, who at the very least should put downward pressure on price points in the market? No one is forcing you to buy any product, and if FF just comes up with one unique innovation that has to be countered/adapted by your consumer good supplier of choice then they've made you life better.
 
2013-01-23 08:26:14 AM  

MrSteve007: MrEricSir: Um, about that. Before 2007, "the very idea of a smartphone" was that it was 1/2 screen, 1/2 keyboard. Very few smartphones in those days were all screen.

I wish Dell (or anyone else) would update this phone - making it thinner than the previous version. Having a 'full size' screen and a real keyboard is awesome.

[www.geeky-gadgets.com image 650x605]
/gently pets my Dell phone.


They do make other phones with slide out keyboards, you know. I can't think of any that do it vertically like that, but plenty of 'em that give you a full horizontal screen, which IMO is better when you're typing longer things anyway.

\Love my HTC Merge, just wish Verizon cared about it.
\\They just don't give a shiat about support, since it never really launched widely.
\\\May just have to crack it and install a clean OS
\V If I ever get around to caring.
 
2013-01-23 08:48:08 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Fuggin Bizzy: Firefox's ... HTML 5-based ... operating system?

picard_wtf_is_this_shiat.jpg

from wiki: " Many features of HTML5 have been built with the consideration of being able to run on low-powered devices such as smartphones and tablets. "


Maybe. But how in the hell does one "base" an OS on a markup language? That's the motherfarking bullshiat. Some marketing speak, is all.
 
2013-01-23 08:56:29 AM  

InmanRoshi: BobtheOwl001: Do we really need another phone OS? If it runs like the browser, it'll just be slower than Android with less features and the text on the display will look horrible.

Why would any consumer want less competition in the market? Especially n this case an open web competitor, who at the very least should put downward pressure on price points in the market? No one is forcing you to buy any product, and if FF just comes up with one unique innovation that has to be countered/adapted by your consumer good supplier of choice then they've made you life better.


How many of these do you want near your city?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Big_Bend_Pow e r_Station.jpg/281px-Big_Bend_Power_Station.jpg
 
2013-01-23 09:45:27 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Maybe. But how in the hell does one "base" an OS on a markup language? That's the motherfarking bullshiat. Some marketing speak, is all.


<os>
  <boot />
  <drivers />
  <shell />
  <lolcats />
  <crash />
</os>

Done.
 
2013-01-23 11:10:24 AM  

LordOfThePings: Fuggin Bizzy: Maybe. But how in the hell does one "base" an OS on a markup language? That's the motherfarking bullshiat. Some marketing speak, is all.

<os>
  <boot />
  <drivers />
  <shell />
  <lolcats />
  <crash />
</os>

Done.


You forgot pr0n.
 
2013-01-23 11:17:33 AM  
Neat-o...Blackberry won't be the least popular phone anymore.
 
2013-01-23 12:34:22 PM  

bhcompy: www.slashgear.com

Better.

/more hardware slider keyboards, please


I've been a huge hardware keyboard proponent for many years.

These are the phones I've had in the past 10 years or so.

Nokia 6800:

i-cdn.phonearena.com
Great phone, used it for 3 years or so.

Nokia 6820:

andrew.daviel.org
Meh phone. Smaller than 6800. I felt it was a little cramped and the camera was worthless. Used for less than a year.

Nokia E7:

image.ffmobile.com
Probably one of the best phones I've ever used. Keyboard was amazing. It ran S60, so there were a decent number of apps. It was solid built, great battery life, had features that other phones took a few years to get. Even had a 2MP camera that was fast and took good photos, but no flash. Hell I even used it to manage web servers because it had PuTTY. Absolute workhorse. The downfall was the joystick style navigation 'nub'. It wore out and became frustrating to navigate the phone. Used for 3 or 4 years. Upgraded from that to:

Nokia N900:

2.bp.blogspot.com
Decent computer, so-so phone. First touch screen phone I owned. Software was somewhat buggy and incomplete, but to be expected as it was aimed at developers. It was underpowered for what it could do. If it had a faster processor, that would have been nice. Keyboard was ok. I really missed the dedicated number row like on the E7. Plus it ran a ported version of BSD. So I could run Linux commands and such. Used for about 2.5 years.

Currently using a Nokia N9:

cdn1.sbnation.com
Probably one of the better phones I've ever used as far as UI and polish. Touch screen is amazing. It's a beautiful looking phone as well. It's solid and actually looks like a 'modern' phone. It does not have a hardware keyboard and I was very apprehensive about abandoning my hardware keyboard.
It has Swype keyboard installed. I've found it to be very intuitive and easy to use. However its downfall is still the numbers. They require a press and hold to insert, or tap on a key to open a number keypad. Meh. But it's easy to 'type' with one hand, more-so than on any of the hardware keyboard ones.

all images hot...
 
2013-01-23 12:58:09 PM  

Marine1: LordOfThePings: Fuggin Bizzy: Maybe. But how in the hell does one "base" an OS on a markup language? That's the motherfarking bullshiat. Some marketing speak, is all.

<os>
  <boot />
  <drivers />
  <shell />
  <lolcats />
  <crash />
</os>

Done.

You forgot pr0n.


I'm unbelievably amused. Heh.
 
2013-01-23 08:32:49 PM  

Marine1: You forgot pr0n.


I know. I realized that right after I posted.

Call it an undocumented feature.
 
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