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2013-01-22 03:43:52 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


Gun nuts try to claim a distinction between clips and magazines to try and discredit people, even when the terms are pretty much interchangeable, even to gun manufacturers. When somebody drags that one out, know that it's nothing more than a pathetic attempt to sound more authoritative, and ignore it.
 
2013-01-22 03:44:00 PM  

GodLovesBeer: Andulamb: GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?

My money's on handgungs.

We need more open handgung style...


We also need more people who vote defiantly. How does someone vote defiantly anyway...do they shout while voting or something?
 
2013-01-22 03:45:05 PM  
FTFA: Lone Star College student Brittany Mobley said she saw the whole thing happen.
Basically, I seen the dude that shot him and as soon as I heard the bullets flying and the gun being fired off, then everyone started running and it was a hint for me to start running as well.

God help us, a college student speaks like this...
 
2013-01-22 03:45:37 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


No, that's stupid. People can have an opinion on a subject without knowing every single thing about that subject.
 
2013-01-22 03:45:50 PM  

Treygreen13: cptjeff: TheJoe03: JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.

You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.

He might, just might, be referring to the laws that make it really, really easy to buy that gun in the first place.

By the way- nobody expects those gun free zones to stop anybody. But it does achieve something in that it makes it easier to prosecute your case and get a longer sentence in the wake of any incident.

Your argument is a Red Herring fallacy, pure and simple.

Let's wait for more information about the event before we decide that nobody can ever own a gun again and anyone in Texas who is gunned down deserved it.


It's fine to dehumanize Texans because of their politics apparently, even before the facts are out.
 
2013-01-22 03:46:17 PM  
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2013-01-22 03:47:53 PM  
Shootings? At a gun free zone?

It's more common than you think.
 
2013-01-22 03:48:05 PM  

TheJoe03: It's a red herring fallacy to be disgusted that someone has no sympathy for people shot in Texas because of supposed gun laws that lead to this? Hmm.


That one is a Straw Man, where you pretend somebody took a different position than they did and attack the position you're pretending they hold rather than their actual argument.

A Red Herring is when you raise a related but irrelevant point and try to pretend the discussion was about that instead of the actual issue being discussed.
 
2013-01-22 03:48:07 PM  

spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.


With the difference being that a car or a hammer ultimately has another proper usage that doesn't involve something dying, whereas a guns ultimate use is to kill.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:03 PM  

cptjeff: That one is a Straw Man, where you pretend somebody took a different position than they did and attack the position you're pretending they hold rather than their actual argument.

A Red Herring is when you raise a related but irrelevant point and try to pretend the discussion was about that instead of the actual issue being discussed.


So being disgusted that someone has no sympathy about Texans being shot based on gun laws is a fallacy (did he not say that)? Perhaps you are too tied up in the politics of this and lost your damn concept of humanity.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:41 PM  
For anyone who doubts the size and importance of Texas:It takes two,back to back threads to discuss this story.
 
2013-01-22 03:53:22 PM  

JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.


I quote it again, he said he has no sympathy regarding this because Texans voted for these gun laws (or the politicians that voted for these guns laws). That's the position I have an issue with, I didn't make it up, I'm attacking him for that because it disgusts me to hear someone that partisan that they don't care when people from a state that has different politics than them get shot. You can say it's irrelevant and the discussion was never about that, but he made it about that.
 
2013-01-22 03:54:38 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


Right. Which is why you aren't allowed to discuss nuclear disarmament if you don't have a good grasp of the difference between gun-type assembly and implosion-assembly methods of detonation for thermonuclear devices.
 
2013-01-22 03:55:01 PM  

Chummer45: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


This is the dumbest talking point that comes up in every single fark gun thread. OMG! Someone called it a clip even t ...


The devil is in the details and if you can't even be bothered to get that one rudimentary detail correct, how can you possibly contribute to the conversation? If you look at statistics and reason and logic, you'll likely see guns aren't that scary, but most anti's just want to say "eeeek it's scary.. and not something -I- do so I don't want ANYONE to do that" instead of actually LEARNING and EDUCATING themselves about the subject.

That's why.

You don't hear people coming in to argue fiscal policy saying well that "money spending list thingie" and being taken seriously do you?
 
2013-01-22 03:57:25 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

No, that's stupid. People can have an opinion on a subject without knowing every single thing about that subject.



You're right.... people can completely pull their opinion out of their arse, or they can actually educate themselves and talk intellectually about something if they don't want to be dismissed as being an emotion based ignoramus.
 
2013-01-22 04:00:20 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita:

The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


You are a moron and I'm tired of hearing this stupid argument.

99% of the people I know who own guns refer to their magazines as clips ffs. All you retards who keep throwing this out there need to stfu, modern society uses the word clip interchangeably and you need to stfu and deal with it while you come up with a more reasonable argument.

If I want to call a f*cking banana a monkey dildo it doesn't matter, we are still talking about the same object and know what it's purpose is.

/owns guns
//knows that no one is going to take them away from me
///wish people would stop killing each other
 
2013-01-22 04:02:09 PM  

largedon: spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.

With the difference being that a car or a hammer ultimately has another proper usage that doesn't involve something dying, whereas a guns ultimate use is to kill.


This argument is always thrown in gun owner's faces...

I don't see anyone killed by these competition guns

3 gun

There are many, MANY legitimate uses for firearms. Just because YOU see them that way does not make it so.
 
2013-01-22 04:03:59 PM  
 
2013-01-22 04:04:25 PM  

farkingnotworking: Mr.BobDobalita: The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Right. Which is why you aren't allowed to discuss nuclear disarmament if you don't have a good grasp of the difference between gun-type assembly and implosion-assembly methods of detonation for thermonuclear devices.


People have a right to discuss it... but as I previously stated, if they clearly don't know what they are talking about and come in saying "nukes are bad mmmkay" and have nothing else to add to the conversation except their emotion based opinion that is lacking foundation or back up of actual facts and statistics, then they will be summarily dismissed.
 
2013-01-22 04:08:26 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita:

People have a right to discuss it... but as I previously stated, if they clearly don't know what they are talking about and come in saying "nukes are bad mmmkay" and have nothing else to add to the conversation except their emotion based opinion that is lacking foundation or back up of actual facts and statistics, then they will be summarily dismissed.


Drop this argument ffs, you are wrong. Clip is a completely acceptable substitute for the word magazine in conversation. Get over it. You look stupid, as I said even most gun owners refer to their magazines as clips these days.
 
2013-01-22 04:17:41 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Chummer45: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


This is the dumbest talking point that comes up in every single fark gun thread. OMG! Some ...


Right, and how much attention do you pay to faux news? Not much. My point exactly.

I'm willing to have a rational discussion about firearms, including magazine capacity.... which 30 rds has been standard capacity for 50 years.... explain to me why it was ok for 50 years, but is suddenly not ok.

I will also explain to you how V. Tech shooter was able to change mags 17 times. If 2 or 3 intruders are coming in to your home at night, you damn well may need 30 shots with misses and the fact that people don't just fall down dead after getting shot one time unless it's a head shot and sometimes not even then. A lady with a revolver just shot a guy 5 times in the face and he walked back to his car and drove away.

If you take away standard capacity magazines, people are going to die because they ran out of bullets before stopping the threat against them. It's different for active shooter situations because they are done in a gun free zone and they are shooting fish in a barrel. They can take their time. The sandy hook "thing" had 20 minutes. He could have done it with a double barrel break action shot gun.


Are we free or are we not free? Is one life worth more than another? Do you really think more laws will limit suicidal maniacs?


The people in new york even acknowledge their laws won't stop the criminals.

NY GUN BAN
 
2013-01-22 04:42:19 PM  

Weaver95: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Add in Lou Diamond Phillips and you've got yourself a good start on Young Guns III.


I was thinking more along the lines of final standoff in The Good The Bad and the Ugly and the teacher who couldnt shoot back was Tuco.
 
2013-01-22 04:42:42 PM  

make me some tea: vygramul: Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.

So... multiple shooters?

Let the conspiracy theories commence!


Is there a grassy knoll? I'm about to McGruder my pants.
 
2013-01-22 04:48:44 PM  

asquian: Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.

Or even more accurately they got to see how making murder illegal really works.


/as long as we're being disingenuous


Actually, all three of the above apply equally and are true withbout any disingenuity.

Before I start, I fully support these asshats having their firearms rights revoked *based upon current information available*. Even if they were, ill use the term loosley, "lawful gunowners", they broke the law just by carrying at a school. That is enough to fry them in my mind.

There are laws in place that society has but in place for its members to fo follow. This to hopefully set a standard of conduct that while may be inconvienent for the individual or some, it benefits society as a whole. If you break those laws, there is a consequence. Laws never eliminate that which they target. Doe that mean they are worthless: no, They can minimize and regulate.

I am open to suggestions that may actually be effective. I am dead set against laws being made just because they can be or because "something must be done now!" Mindset.

Yes I am a gun owner. There are many who do not break the law. I very much enjoy target shooting. Are these incidents tragic: yes they are.

I am sure noone places sole blame for the shootings on an inanimate object. Something else is driving the mechanism for these things to happen. But that is hard, and since when has the american public been interested in doing something hard and making sure those who represent them in government are interested in it as well? Appollo missions come to mind - 2 genrations plus go.

But hey, why do the right or proper thing when "easy" is waiting there for you to latch on ans slob its knob so the back of your head can get scratched?

/this post applies to everyone - you, me, him over there and "us"
//this post also applies to many other facets of "our" society, country, comunity, planet
 
2013-01-22 04:51:21 PM  

The Name: Knowing Texas, they'll probably declare Jan. 22 a state holiday, in honor of that brave shooter who refused to let the liberal gun-grabbers take his guns away.


You don't know Texas at all, son.
 
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