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2013-01-22 01:57:08 PM
*checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...
 
2013-01-22 01:59:53 PM
This has to be a lie.  There are laws about bringing guns onto school grounds.  And we all know that gun control laws work.
 
2013-01-22 02:00:42 PM
Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.
 
2013-01-22 02:03:59 PM
If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons
 
2013-01-22 02:04:03 PM

GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.


Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.
 
2013-01-22 02:05:23 PM

netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons


Agreed. Maybe we should make some laws against randomly shooting people as well.
 
2013-01-22 02:05:29 PM

Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...


Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.
 
2013-01-22 02:07:07 PM

Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.


Really?  You know what the three victims now were shot by?  You know that it wasn't bought legally?  Because if you know that much detail, the police probably need to talk to you because you clearly know the shooter and knew his plans, so you're an accomplice.
 
2013-01-22 02:07:20 PM
obviously, this is entirely the fault of Texas and their Orwellian restrictions on legal gun owners!
 
2013-01-22 02:07:24 PM

GanjSmokr: Maybe we should make some laws against randomly shooting people as well.


I can't believe we haven't done this yet.
 
2013-01-22 02:07:54 PM

Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.


But clearly not too early for you to start defending the NRA from being the victim in all of this.
 
2013-01-22 02:08:34 PM

Weaver95: obviously, this is entirely the fault of Texas and their Orwellian restrictions on legal gun owners!


Indeed, if only more people in Texas had firearms, this never would have happened.
 
2013-01-22 02:09:30 PM
if ONLY Texas would relax their regulations on gun ownership then maybe someone could have stopped this madness!  Because when I think of 'draconian restrictions on guns', I immediately think of Texas, right guys?
 
2013-01-22 02:09:34 PM

Fark It: what kind of weapon


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it was a gun. Unless you think they were shot with a baseball bat or a knife.
 
2013-01-22 02:09:46 PM
Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.
 
2013-01-22 02:09:58 PM
Who was the TX legislator last week who said no one's gonna start shooting in Texas because they know everyone's armed?
 
2013-01-22 02:10:38 PM

netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons


Like at gun shows?
 
2013-01-22 02:11:24 PM

NowhereMon: Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.


I hope to hell you're wrong about that.
 
2013-01-22 02:11:51 PM

NowhereMon: Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.


Stupid liberal! It's a MAGAZINE not a CLIP!
 
2013-01-22 02:12:03 PM

Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.


Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.
 
2013-01-22 02:12:07 PM

propasaurus: Who was the TX legislator last week who said no one's gonna start shooting in Texas because they know everyone's armed?


Hopefully, a guy who attends Lone Star College.
 
2013-01-22 02:12:26 PM
What the article doesn't mention is the people shot at were zombies, and the shooters were just trying to prevent the impending zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-01-22 02:12:42 PM
The man was wearing a Falcons cap.

Well, that explains it.
 
2013-01-22 02:13:36 PM

NowhereMon: Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.


The fact that you don't know it's called a magazine proves that you're not qualified to be a part of this discussion.

/what some gun nuts actually believe
 
2013-01-22 02:13:48 PM
the 24 hour news chatter on this is silly.

***breaking news*** students seen leaving the library


OMG, STUDENTS.  IN THE LIBRARY!
 
2013-01-22 02:14:19 PM
i.i.com.com
 
2013-01-22 02:15:04 PM

Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.


Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers
 
2013-01-22 02:15:21 PM
"We don't know if some semiautomatic weapon or assault rifle was used, that would be speculation."  - MSNBC

It's like concern trolling: speculating while saying we can't speculate to make it look like we're responsible.

/I would bet at 100:1 that it was a semiautomatic weapon or double-action revolver.
 
2013-01-22 02:16:03 PM

Weaver95: NowhereMon: Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.

I hope to hell you're wrong about that.


I have no idea, I'm just trolling gun grammar Nazis
 
2013-01-22 02:16:08 PM

GAT_00: Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.

Really?  You know what the three victims now were shot by?  You know that it wasn't bought legally?  Because if you know that much detail, the police probably need to talk to you because you clearly know the shooter and knew his plans, so you're an accomplice.


Well it was on campus, so it's fairly easy to assume that he violated the law prohibiting carrying a gun on campus.  Unless you think that he violated absolutely no laws when he went on campus and shot people?  Or you believe that there is another combination of words we could write down and turn into a law that would have prevented this?
 
2013-01-22 02:16:22 PM

LessO2: i.i.com.com


Wait, RIck Perry prayed to stop this, so this must be a hoax.
 
2013-01-22 02:16:39 PM

propasaurus: NowhereMon: Reports are coming in that the shooter used an AK47 with a high capacity clip.

Stupid liberal! It's a MAGAZINE not a CLIP!


You are lying to me because the Governor of New York told me they were called magazine clips.

And if you can't trust the governor of New York, who can you trust?
 
2013-01-22 02:18:39 PM

Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.


This is a terrible argument, because changing the nouns proves it's not a logic you want to apply elsewhere:

"...but I think it is time to discuss why the 1st amendment doesn't mention the Internet and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the website of choice."

Modernity is not, in and of itself, a sufficient argument.  The Internet is a more powerful communications tool than the Founders could possibly have conceived of.  Yet no sane person would suggest that's sufficient reason to censor it.
 
2013-01-22 02:19:08 PM

BunkoSquad: LessO2: i.i.com.com

Wait, RIck Perry prayed to stop this, so this must be a hoax.


Just pray harder next time.
 
2013-01-22 02:19:18 PM
CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.
 
2013-01-22 02:19:50 PM

vygramul: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

This is a terrible argument, because changing the nouns proves it's not a logic you want to apply elsewhere:

"...but I think it is time to discuss why the 1st amendment doesn't mention the Internet and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the website of choice."

Modernity is not, in and of itself, a sufficient argument.  The Internet is a more powerful communications tool than the Founders could possibly have conceived of.  Yet no sane person would suggest that's sufficient reason to censor it.


That's crazy. Guns can actually kill people. Words and ideas aren't nearly that powerful!
 
2013-01-22 02:20:01 PM

Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.


So... multiple shooters?
 
2013-01-22 02:21:00 PM
Tons of police on scene but they appear to be moving about pretty casually.
 
2013-01-22 02:21:10 PM
hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.
 
2013-01-22 02:21:10 PM

vygramul: Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.

So... multiple shooters?


Let the conspiracy theories commence!
 
2013-01-22 02:21:35 PM

Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.


MSNBC has one male handcuffed to a stretcher, and one male suspect fleeing towards a housing development. I don't know why he is a suspect, or if just fleeing from the sound of gunfire while wearing a hoodie and a ball cap makes you a suspect.
 
2013-01-22 02:21:56 PM

Callous: Tons of police on scene but they appear to be moving about pretty casually.


probably all over now except for the funerals.
 
2013-01-22 02:22:04 PM

vygramul: Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.

So... multiple shooters?


So far they are only using shooter in the singular.
 
2013-01-22 02:22:06 PM

make me some tea: Just pray harder next time.


Betcha $10,000 that won't work.

www.latimes.com
 
2013-01-22 02:22:24 PM

GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.


So, instead ban guns so we can biatch about stabbings instead?
 
2013-01-22 02:22:37 PM
May still be an active shooter on the loose. SWAT rolling in.
 
2013-01-22 02:23:04 PM
Now the KPRC TV feed says "Police searching for second suspect."
 
2013-01-22 02:23:10 PM

vygramul: Modernity is not, in and of itself, a sufficient argument.  The Internet is a more powerful communications tool than the Founders could possibly have conceived of.  Yet no sane person would suggest that's sufficient reason to censor it.


It's a lot easier to ignore a crazy on the Intartubes than it is to ignore a crazy storming through a mall, or theater, or church, or school, indiscriminately firing rounds through windows, walls, people, and so on..
 
2013-01-22 02:23:12 PM

Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.


This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.
 
2013-01-22 02:24:05 PM

Kit Fister: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

So, instead ban guns so we can biatch about stabbings instead?


in the end, there can be only one.

GIMME THE PRIZE!
JUST GIMME THE PRIZE!

/sorry.  just trying to lighten the mood.  this sort of news story depresses the hell outta me.
 
2013-01-22 02:24:21 PM

namegoeshere: Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.

MSNBC has one male handcuffed to a stretcher, and one male suspect fleeing towards a housing development. I don't know why he is a suspect, or if just fleeing from the sound of gunfire while wearing a hoodie and a ball cap makes you a suspect.


They don't know, so it's safer to assume he is a shooter until he is until they ID him then assume he isn't and have him shoot some other place up.
 
2013-01-22 02:24:29 PM

Callous: GAT_00: Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.

Really?  You know what the three victims now were shot by?  You know that it wasn't bought legally?  Because if you know that much detail, the police probably need to talk to you because you clearly know the shooter and knew his plans, so you're an accomplice.

Well it was on campus, so it's fairly easy to assume that he violated the law prohibiting carrying a gun on campus.  Unless you think that he violated absolutely no laws when he went on campus and shot people?  Or you believe that there is another combination of words we could write down and turn into a law that would have prevented this?


So clearly the solution is to arm everyone.  If a few people go nuts and shoot people, clearly everything will be better if everyone was armed!
 
2013-01-22 02:24:40 PM

Callous: Tons of police on scene but they appear to be moving about pretty casually.


it's texas.  instead of a swat team, they sent the saunter team.
 
2013-01-22 02:25:15 PM
Nearly all of these stories at some point involve a "possible second shooter" and I can't recall a single instance where that actually was the case.
 
2013-01-22 02:25:39 PM

namegoeshere: I don't know why he is a suspect, or if just fleeing ... while wearing a hoodie and a ball cap makes you a suspect.


Where have I heard of this before?  Hmm...
 
2013-01-22 02:26:06 PM

markie_farkie: vygramul: Modernity is not, in and of itself, a sufficient argument.  The Internet is a more powerful communications tool than the Founders could possibly have conceived of.  Yet no sane person would suggest that's sufficient reason to censor it.

It's a lot easier to ignore a crazy on the Intartubes than it is to ignore a crazy storming through a mall, or theater, or church, or school, indiscriminately firing rounds through windows, walls, people, and so on..


You know what, and I'll probably get it in the ear for this, with all the crazy farkers getting guns, I'm OK with imposing a waiting period, licensing, tracking, and so on. I'm happy to be inconvenienced to own guns if it means crazys can't get their hands on this shiat. I'm tired of doing nothing, and tired of having to be the upstanding citizen that has to hear all this shiat whenever someone does something bad.

Do I think it'll solve the problem? Nope. But if we make it harder to get and we make sure that it's harder to legally possess, within reasonable limits, we'll deter at least some of these farkers.

If it's gang or drug related, though, not sure this would be stopped by it.
 
2013-01-22 02:26:08 PM
thismodernworld.com
 
2013-01-22 02:26:21 PM

Kit Fister: Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.

This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.


If so that will end the story pretty quickly...Gang shooting = meh whatever...
 
2013-01-22 02:26:24 PM

Kit Fister: Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.

This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.


Depends, is/are the shooter(s) white or brown?
 
2013-01-22 02:26:49 PM

Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.


CNN is just saying "multiple people have been shot".  Doesn't say if they are all victims or if any are the shooter(s).
 
2013-01-22 02:27:09 PM

Weaver95: Kit Fister: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

So, instead ban guns so we can biatch about stabbings instead?

in the end, there can be only one.

GIMME THE PRIZE!
JUST GIMME THE PRIZE!

/sorry.  just trying to lighten the mood.  this sort of news story depresses the hell outta me.


I'm afraid that until we can fix the whole goddamn human race, people are always going to kill each other.
 
2013-01-22 02:27:20 PM
Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.
 
2013-01-22 02:27:29 PM

Kit Fister: Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.

This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.


I dunno. maybe.  two shooters wouldn't necessarily change the scenario tho.  I guess we'll wait and see.
 
2013-01-22 02:27:45 PM

make me some tea: Kit Fister: Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.

This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.

Depends, is/are the shooter(s) white or brown?


Dude on the stretcher was brown as my last morning crap.
 
2013-01-22 02:28:11 PM

markie_farkie: vygramul: Modernity is not, in and of itself, a sufficient argument.  The Internet is a more powerful communications tool than the Founders could possibly have conceived of.  Yet no sane person would suggest that's sufficient reason to censor it.

It's a lot easier to ignore a crazy on the Intartubes than it is to ignore a crazy storming through a mall, or theater, or church, or school, indiscriminately firing rounds through windows, walls, people, and so on..


THAT is a valid argument.

But just because it is new and powerful is not SUFFICIENT, though it may be part of a larger argument.
 
2013-01-22 02:28:34 PM

nekom: Nearly all of these stories at some point involve a "possible second shooter" and I can't recall a single instance where that actually was the case.


I can think of 2.  Columbine High School and Westside Middle School.  But that's just off the top of my head.
 
2013-01-22 02:29:31 PM

Weaver95: Kit Fister: Weaver95: hmm.  MSNBC is saying that there are at least 2 victims and that they caught one of the shooters.  there might be another one on the loose.

This one stinks more of a drug/gang thing than an intended school shooting.

I dunno. maybe.  two shooters wouldn't necessarily change the scenario tho.  I guess we'll wait and see.


Well, we have no details, so no way to make a judgement on what happened, other than a couple of dudes cited as suspects, some people shot, one suspect rolling out wounded (so, someone shot back? Got shot by his partner?), seems to me like these weren't spree killers, they were there for some other purpose.

Also, anyone else see this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/las-vegas-police-lieutenenan t -murder-son-wife_n_2525436.html
 
2013-01-22 02:29:33 PM

choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.


Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..
 
2013-01-22 02:30:31 PM

Weaver95: Kit Fister: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

So, instead ban guns so we can biatch about stabbings instead?

in the end, there can be only one.

GIMME THE PRIZE!
JUST GIMME THE PRIZE!

/sorry.  just trying to lighten the mood.  this sort of news story depresses the hell outta me.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-22 02:30:33 PM

choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.


Add in Lou Diamond Phillips and you've got yourself a good start on Young Guns III.
 
2013-01-22 02:30:56 PM

markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..


Only in texas.
 
2013-01-22 02:31:35 PM

markie_farkie: Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..


I think they were fighting over who was going to be the school's armed security guard. There can be only ONE!!
 
2013-01-22 02:31:53 PM

Callous: nekom: Nearly all of these stories at some point involve a "possible second shooter" and I can't recall a single instance where that actually was the case.

I can think of 2.  Columbine High School and Westside Middle School.  But that's just off the top of my head.


Oh, sure, but can you think of anything THIS century?
 
2013-01-22 02:32:45 PM

nekom: Nearly all of these stories at some point involve a "possible second shooter" and I can't recall a single instance where that actually was the case.


Columbine. Certain bank robberys, too.

Basically, it's just a good way to communicate that "yeah, we got the guy we think did it, but don't drop your guard until we've made sure that everything's clear."
 
2013-01-22 02:32:51 PM

Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...


It's never going to be time. Not that a "discussion" would help anyway. People have been talking constantly since the shooting at the school.
Unfortunately, instead of talking about how to prevent gun violence, they're talking about how all these mass shootings are government conspiracies.
*sigh*

idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg
 
2013-01-22 02:34:31 PM

Via Infinito: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

It's never going to be time. Not that a "discussion" would help anyway. People have been talking constantly since the shooting at the school.
Unfortunately, instead of talking about how to prevent gun violence, they're talking about how all these mass shootings are government conspiracies.
*sigh*

idontwanttoliveonthisplanetanymore.jpg


Because all the rational responses and requests are drowned out by the ZOMG GUNNSSSSSSSSSS crowd on both sides, who never stop to consider ways that balance the 2A with preventing this shiat, and how we can actually address the wider causes of it to begin with.
 
2013-01-22 02:34:44 PM

Kit Fister: markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..

Only in texas.


I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.
 
2013-01-22 02:35:28 PM
www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-01-22 02:35:55 PM
MSNBC is picking up the 'two guys started shooting at each other' story.  no idea if its true.
 
2013-01-22 02:36:14 PM

Weaver95: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Add in Lou Diamond Phillips and you've got yourself a good start on Young Guns III.


Maybe a "The Substitute" reboot?
 
2013-01-22 02:36:25 PM

Elzar: Kit Fister: markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..

Only in texas.

I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.


Pre-86 RPG launchers are legal to own with a 200 Tax Stamp, and each grenade for them are legal as Destructive Devices, each also requiring a $200 tax stamp to own.

Go to the Knob Creek MG shoot, some guys usually show up with 40mm grenade launchers or other types of launchers and let you blow shiat up.
 
2013-01-22 02:38:50 PM
CNN just had a very insightful interview with a "witness" that saw nothing, but ran when she "heard the bullets".

*sigh*
 
2013-01-22 02:39:41 PM

Elzar: Kit Fister: markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..

Only in texas.

I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.


Sure is "reasonable discussion" in here...
 
2013-01-22 02:43:07 PM
CNN is now reporting that the school spokesman said that the shooting was between two people and one of the shooters is in custody.
 
2013-01-22 02:50:06 PM

Elzar: Kit Fister: markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..

Only in texas.

I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.


If you can pass a background check and have enough money, you might be surprised just how safe you can make yourself feel...

/many things aren't necessarily "illegal" to get, just "inconvenient" to get
//you just have to go through enough hoops and pay enough money.
 
2013-01-22 02:54:28 PM

Callous: CNN is now reporting that the school spokesman said that the shooting was between two people and one of the shooters is in custody.


Well, that pretty clearly shows that more guns was the solution if true.
 
2013-01-22 03:21:33 PM
They are not REAL students. Its a community college.
 
spr
2013-01-22 03:21:41 PM
guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.
 
2013-01-22 03:22:22 PM
DOUBLE NEWSFLASH
 
2013-01-22 03:22:36 PM
Keep this up and there will be more threads than victims.
 
2013-01-22 03:23:05 PM
Why do we need another greenlit thread about this? The other thread's derp level isn't full yet.
 
2013-01-22 03:23:13 PM
Hey, guys. Let's just go to the nearest Luby's Cafeteria and discuss this. We can do it over some ice cream.
 
2013-01-22 03:23:25 PM
Another one? Damn, that Library must look like the end of a Peckinpah movie.
 
2013-01-22 03:24:10 PM
A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?
 
2013-01-22 03:24:26 PM

spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.


Well if you've got a car or a hammer, then what the fark do you need a gun for? Sounds like you've got all the protection you need.
 
2013-01-22 03:24:40 PM
Jeez, college must really suck these days.
 
2013-01-22 03:25:07 PM

GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?


I'll take "Things an idiot would say" for 500, Alex.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-22 03:25:21 PM
An armed society is a polite society.

/runs
 
2013-01-22 03:25:56 PM
AMERRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKKKKKKUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
2013-01-22 03:26:39 PM

Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.


In Texas? What a joke, dickhead.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:01 PM

netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons


What's so great about this story is that the intended victim and the initial shooter BOTH were safe with their guns and neither of them got shot (until the police arrived then one was shot by the Police). The shooting victims were unarmed students caught in the cross fire. Clearly they would have been safer if they ALSO had guns.

/I also heard that last week a guy in China killed 46 children with a pair of chopsticks, so the innocent bystanders in this situation could just as easily have been injured if the assailants were throwing lawnmowers at each other (or however kids kill each other when there are no guns available)
 
2013-01-22 03:27:06 PM
Do we really need 2 newsflash headlines?
 
2013-01-22 03:27:21 PM

BronyMedic: GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?

I'll take "Things an idiot would say" for 500, Alex.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x553]


A paramedic in Memphis? Come now....you see this shat all the time.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:26 PM

propasaurus: TX legislator last week who said no one's gonna start shooting in Texas because they know everyone's armed


Whoops...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-22 03:27:38 PM

GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?


My money's on handgungs.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:45 PM

GanjSmokr: netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons

Agreed. Maybe we should make some laws against randomly shooting people as well.


Yeah, that would never work. Let's just give up on these "law" things all together.
 
2013-01-22 03:27:50 PM
OMG HEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN!
IT'S A FRECKING WAR ZONE OUT THERE.....
CALL IN SWAT, THE A-TEAM, NINJAS, THE DUKES OF HAZARD, MAGNUM P.I. THE FARKING BATMAN.

askanatheist.tv

WE'LL BE FIGHTING IN THE STREETS
WITH OUR CHILDREN AT OUR FEET
AND THE MORALS THAT THEY WORSHIP, WILL BE GONE....


/had to post before the pulled the REPEAT THREAD
 
2013-01-22 03:27:58 PM
It's Texas.  How do we know this isn't just part of Freshman Orientation?
 
2013-01-22 03:28:34 PM
Are the Modmins trolling us?
 
2013-01-22 03:28:51 PM

GanjSmokr: Elzar: Kit Fister: markie_farkie: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Well then it's a fair fight, the NRA can come to the shooters' defense, and tell the teacher to go pound sand because they were too stupid to pack their own heat, and be ready at any moment for gunfire to break out in a library..

Only in texas.

I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.

If you can pass a background check and have enough money, you might be surprised just how safe you can make yourself feel...

/many things aren't necessarily "illegal" to get, just "inconvenient" to get
//you just have to go through enough hoops and pay enough money.


In a way, that made it an excellent deterrent to gangsters wanting to own one. Most people who aren't legit don't want to go through all the hoops, licenses, taxes, waiting periods, etc.

The result is that while legal, they are quite rare indeed. always wonder why they didn't build the AWB like that. Just declare that you need a license / extensive bg check/ transfer tax to buy weapons of types A, b, c, etc. No 'ban' just making them harder to get or sell.

I don't support any bans, but that would have worked a hell of a lot better then what they passed.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:28 PM
i.imgur.com

By Saul Cornell / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment - the statement that "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" - will be much discussed.

It is vital that Americans separate myths from realities, because what many of us seem to have forgotten is that, in the vision of the founders of the United States of America, the right to bear arms carries with it enormous burdens and responsibilities.

In fact, if we restored the Second Amendment to its original meaning, it would be the NRA's worst nightmare. Invoking the Second Amendment ought to be a more effective argument for increased regulation than it is against it.

In 2008, a closely divided Supreme Court abandoned more than 70 years of precedent and for the first time in American history affirmed that the Second Amendment is about a right to have a handgun in the home for self-defense. Lost in most of the commentary then and now is that this is almost the exactly opposite of what James Madison, the primary architect of the amendment, intended, and is hard to reconcile with the way most ordinary Americans would have read it in 1791.

In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

When the Second Amendment is discussed today, we tend to think of those "militias" as just a bunch of ordinary guys with guns, empowering themselves to resist authority when and if necessary. Nothing could be further from the founders' vision.

Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy - a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.)

The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob. One of the reasons we have a Constitution is the founders were worried about the danger posed by individuals acting like a militia without legal authority. This was precisely what happened during Shays' Rebellion, an insurrection in western Massachusetts that persuaded many Americans that we needed a stronger central government to avert anarchy.

Many people think that we have the Second Amendment so that we can take up arms against the government if it overreaches its authority. If that interpretation were correct, it would mean that the Second Amendment had repealed the Constitution's treason clause, which defines this crime as taking up arms against the government. In reality, in the first decade after the Constitution, the government put down several rebellions similar to Shays - and nobody claimed that they were merely asserting their Second Amendment rights.

So if the Second Amendment does not have much to do about owning a pistol for self-defense, does that mean the founders did not esteem this right? Obviously the answer to that question is no. Not every right valued by Americans was expressly protected by a constitutional provision. The right of self-defense was part of the common law, a long tradition of rights defined by the English courts over a period of centuries.

But rather than invoke the Second Amendment in the coming months, Americans need to learn something about the historical origins of this part of our constitutional tradition. The bottom line is simple: the Second Amendment requires more gun regulation, not less.

Cornell is the Paul and Diane Guenther Chair in American History at Fordham University.


yeah..
 
2013-01-22 03:29:32 PM

netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons


Since we obviously can't trust people to follow the laws about where they can carry their weapons, I guess we need to take away the weapons entirely.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:37 PM

Andulamb: GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?

My money's on handgungs.


We need more open handgung style...
 
2013-01-22 03:29:37 PM
So good, we had to greenlite it twice.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:37 PM

BarnabusJ: Are the Modmins trolling us?


They certainly don't have to try very hard. These threads are like throwing meat into a tank full of piranhas. Maybe this is just a preemptive overflow to keep the server load down.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:50 PM

spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.


Guns aren't any more useful for killing people than sardines, which is why the Marines traded in their M4s and M16s for a few tins of King Oscars.
 
2013-01-22 03:29:56 PM
They should have put up more signs saying "Gun Free Zone." The shooter probably didn't know.
 
2013-01-22 03:30:40 PM
So, multiple threads for each and every violent crime is the way Fark is trending now?

/I miss Boobies threads
//Hell, I even miss Kitwilly
///Slashies
 
2013-01-22 03:31:12 PM
Yay Freedom!

\And yes, I am a bad person for saying that.
\\Still haunted by the mental image of dead children stacked like cordwood in that Sandy Hook classroom.
 
2013-01-22 03:31:13 PM

GodLovesBeer: C:Most defiantly voted for Obama


I defiantly voted for Obama.
I was all like "F*ck you! I'm voting for Obama whether you like it or not!"
 
2013-01-22 03:31:13 PM

Pantubo: They should have put up more signs saying "Gun Free Zone." The shooter probably didn't know.


THIS
 
2013-01-22 03:31:53 PM
Repeat
 
2013-01-22 03:32:07 PM
This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.
 
2013-01-22 03:32:08 PM

Elzar: I'd certainly feel safer if only they let me purchase my own rocket launcher - I have a wife and kids to support - thugs see my rcoket launcher and it will deter them. Side benefit is the added upper-body workout from packing that thing around.


i.imgur.com

See dammit, if only someone had been trained in Force Lightning, this would have all been much more incredibly awesome.

 
2013-01-22 03:32:35 PM
Did the party move over here, now? Why did no one tell me? I thought you guys liked me!?!
 
2013-01-22 03:33:16 PM

Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers


Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.
 
2013-01-22 03:33:31 PM
Article says the shooting occurred at a community college. Clearly the answer is to keep guns out of the hands of the poors.
 
2013-01-22 03:34:18 PM

JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.


You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.
 
2013-01-22 03:34:59 PM

Pantubo: They should have put up more signs saying "Gun Free Zone." The shooter probably didn't know.


So you're saying that we need laws that prevent people from owning those guns in the first place?
 
2013-01-22 03:35:34 PM

GameSprocket: netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons

Since we obviously can't trust people to follow the laws about where they can carry their weapons, I guess we need to take away the weapons entirely.


www.nndb.com
"Go on..."
 
2013-01-22 03:35:39 PM
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun, is a bad guy with a gun?

The point is that this would have been worse if the shooters had resorted to assaulting on another with easy-to-make Molotov cocktails. Or something.
 
2013-01-22 03:36:04 PM
Repeat.

No, seriously. Repeat.
 
2013-01-22 03:36:44 PM
Who gets to play the "Stand Your Ground" defense if neither one died?
 
2013-01-22 03:37:03 PM
I knew "Bring A Gun To School Day" was an iffy idea......
 
2013-01-22 03:37:09 PM

Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.


Or even more accurately they got to see how making murder illegal really works.


/as long as we're being disingenuous
 
2013-01-22 03:37:31 PM

Burr: GameSprocket: netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons

Since we obviously can't trust people to follow the laws about where they can carry their weapons, I guess we need to take away the weapons entirely.

[www.nndb.com image 199x248]
"Go on..."


You keep Jon Lovitz out of this!
 
2013-01-22 03:38:00 PM
The Linked Article quotes a witness as saying that two guys were arguing and one "pulled a gun". I don't know a whole lot about guns, but wouldn't this rule out an AK-47 or pretty much any assault rifle?
 
2013-01-22 03:38:40 PM
These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy - a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.

So, by the logic that the government should force members of the militia to buy weapons that would be used in military action, everyone should have true military assault rifles?

Ok, if you say so, I won't argue...
 
2013-01-22 03:38:56 PM
Knowing Texas, they'll probably declare Jan. 22 a state holiday, in honor of that brave shooter who refused to let the liberal gun-grabbers take his guns away.
 
2013-01-22 03:39:08 PM

GameSprocket: Burr: GameSprocket: netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons

Since we obviously can't trust people to follow the laws about where they can carry their weapons, I guess we need to take away the weapons entirely.

[www.nndb.com image 199x248]
"Go on..."

You keep Jon Lovitz out of this!


I LOL'd and now cannot unsee this.
 
2013-01-22 03:39:53 PM

TheJoe03: JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.

You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.


He might, just might, be referring to the laws that make it really, really easy to buy that gun in the first place.

By the way- nobody expects those gun free zones to stop anybody. But it does achieve something in that it makes it easier to prosecute your case and get a longer sentence in the wake of any incident.

Your argument is a Red Herring fallacy, pure and simple.
 
2013-01-22 03:41:17 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?



This is the dumbest talking point that comes up in every single fark gun thread. OMG! Someone called it a clip even though it technically should be called a magazine! I'm so smart because I know that!
 
2013-01-22 03:41:41 PM

cptjeff: TheJoe03: JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.

You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.

He might, just might, be referring to the laws that make it really, really easy to buy that gun in the first place.

By the way- nobody expects those gun free zones to stop anybody. But it does achieve something in that it makes it easier to prosecute your case and get a longer sentence in the wake of any incident.

Your argument is a Red Herring fallacy, pure and simple.


Let's wait for more information about the event before we decide that nobody can ever own a gun again and anyone in Texas who is gunned down deserved it.
 
2013-01-22 03:42:05 PM
Pick a shade

www.getprice.com.au

Not a mass shooting of children; two adults acting like children in their silly little gangs.
 
2013-01-22 03:42:14 PM

pxlboy: GameSprocket: Burr: GameSprocket: netizencain: If only we could set up some sort of Gun-Free area or zone where criminals would not be allowed to bring their weapons

Since we obviously can't trust people to follow the laws about where they can carry their weapons, I guess we need to take away the weapons entirely.

[www.nndb.com image 199x248]
"Go on..."

You keep Jon Lovitz out of this!

I LOL'd and now cannot unsee this.


ACTING!
 
2013-01-22 03:42:18 PM

CPav: The Linked Article quotes a witness as saying that two guys were arguing and one "pulled a gun". I don't know a whole lot about guns, but wouldn't this rule out an AK-47 or pretty much any assault rifle?


blog.robballen.com

No.
 
2013-01-22 03:42:24 PM

Andulamb: GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?

My money's on handgungs.


HANDGUNG!!!!
 
2013-01-22 03:43:09 PM

CPav: The Linked Article quotes a witness as saying that two guys were arguing and one "pulled a gun". I don't know a whole lot about guns, but wouldn't this rule out an AK-47 or pretty much any assault rifle?


I guess that depends on how big their pockets are.
 
2013-01-22 03:43:16 PM
The lack of Spaceballs in this thread is disturbing.
 
2013-01-22 03:43:44 PM

cptjeff: TheJoe03: JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.

You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.

He might, just might, be referring to the laws that make it really, really easy to buy that gun in the first place.

By the way- nobody expects those gun free zones to stop anybody. But it does achieve something in that it makes it easier to prosecute your case and get a longer sentence in the wake of any incident.

Your argument is a Red Herring fallacy, pure and simple.


It's a red herring fallacy to be disgusted that someone has no sympathy for people shot in Texas because of supposed gun laws that lead to this? Hmm.
 
2013-01-22 03:43:52 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


Gun nuts try to claim a distinction between clips and magazines to try and discredit people, even when the terms are pretty much interchangeable, even to gun manufacturers. When somebody drags that one out, know that it's nothing more than a pathetic attempt to sound more authoritative, and ignore it.
 
2013-01-22 03:44:00 PM

GodLovesBeer: Andulamb: GodLovesBeer: A: Handgungs
B: Black or Hispanic
C:Most defiantly voted for Obama
D: All of the above

Any takers?

My money's on handgungs.

We need more open handgung style...


We also need more people who vote defiantly. How does someone vote defiantly anyway...do they shout while voting or something?
 
2013-01-22 03:45:05 PM
FTFA: Lone Star College student Brittany Mobley said she saw the whole thing happen.
Basically, I seen the dude that shot him and as soon as I heard the bullets flying and the gun being fired off, then everyone started running and it was a hint for me to start running as well.

God help us, a college student speaks like this...
 
2013-01-22 03:45:37 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


No, that's stupid. People can have an opinion on a subject without knowing every single thing about that subject.
 
2013-01-22 03:45:50 PM

Treygreen13: cptjeff: TheJoe03: JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.

You realize this school was a "gun free zone", not sure what Texas guns laws have to do with this shooting. I guess any excuse to make fun of Texas. Who cares about the people who got shot, you have political points to score! No sympathy? Wow, you're a bad person.

He might, just might, be referring to the laws that make it really, really easy to buy that gun in the first place.

By the way- nobody expects those gun free zones to stop anybody. But it does achieve something in that it makes it easier to prosecute your case and get a longer sentence in the wake of any incident.

Your argument is a Red Herring fallacy, pure and simple.

Let's wait for more information about the event before we decide that nobody can ever own a gun again and anyone in Texas who is gunned down deserved it.


It's fine to dehumanize Texans because of their politics apparently, even before the facts are out.
 
2013-01-22 03:46:17 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-22 03:47:53 PM
Shootings? At a gun free zone?

It's more common than you think.
 
2013-01-22 03:48:05 PM

TheJoe03: It's a red herring fallacy to be disgusted that someone has no sympathy for people shot in Texas because of supposed gun laws that lead to this? Hmm.


That one is a Straw Man, where you pretend somebody took a different position than they did and attack the position you're pretending they hold rather than their actual argument.

A Red Herring is when you raise a related but irrelevant point and try to pretend the discussion was about that instead of the actual issue being discussed.
 
2013-01-22 03:48:07 PM

spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.


With the difference being that a car or a hammer ultimately has another proper usage that doesn't involve something dying, whereas a guns ultimate use is to kill.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:03 PM

cptjeff: That one is a Straw Man, where you pretend somebody took a different position than they did and attack the position you're pretending they hold rather than their actual argument.

A Red Herring is when you raise a related but irrelevant point and try to pretend the discussion was about that instead of the actual issue being discussed.


So being disgusted that someone has no sympathy about Texans being shot based on gun laws is a fallacy (did he not say that)? Perhaps you are too tied up in the politics of this and lost your damn concept of humanity.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:41 PM
For anyone who doubts the size and importance of Texas:It takes two,back to back threads to discuss this story.
 
2013-01-22 03:53:22 PM

JesusJuice: This is what you voted for, Texans. No sympathy.


I quote it again, he said he has no sympathy regarding this because Texans voted for these gun laws (or the politicians that voted for these guns laws). That's the position I have an issue with, I didn't make it up, I'm attacking him for that because it disgusts me to hear someone that partisan that they don't care when people from a state that has different politics than them get shot. You can say it's irrelevant and the discussion was never about that, but he made it about that.
 
2013-01-22 03:54:38 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


Right. Which is why you aren't allowed to discuss nuclear disarmament if you don't have a good grasp of the difference between gun-type assembly and implosion-assembly methods of detonation for thermonuclear devices.
 
2013-01-22 03:55:01 PM

Chummer45: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


This is the dumbest talking point that comes up in every single fark gun thread. OMG! Someone called it a clip even t ...


The devil is in the details and if you can't even be bothered to get that one rudimentary detail correct, how can you possibly contribute to the conversation? If you look at statistics and reason and logic, you'll likely see guns aren't that scary, but most anti's just want to say "eeeek it's scary.. and not something -I- do so I don't want ANYONE to do that" instead of actually LEARNING and EDUCATING themselves about the subject.

That's why.

You don't hear people coming in to argue fiscal policy saying well that "money spending list thingie" and being taken seriously do you?
 
2013-01-22 03:57:25 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

No, that's stupid. People can have an opinion on a subject without knowing every single thing about that subject.



You're right.... people can completely pull their opinion out of their arse, or they can actually educate themselves and talk intellectually about something if they don't want to be dismissed as being an emotion based ignoramus.
 
2013-01-22 04:00:20 PM

Mr.BobDobalita:

The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.


You are a moron and I'm tired of hearing this stupid argument.

99% of the people I know who own guns refer to their magazines as clips ffs. All you retards who keep throwing this out there need to stfu, modern society uses the word clip interchangeably and you need to stfu and deal with it while you come up with a more reasonable argument.

If I want to call a f*cking banana a monkey dildo it doesn't matter, we are still talking about the same object and know what it's purpose is.

/owns guns
//knows that no one is going to take them away from me
///wish people would stop killing each other
 
2013-01-22 04:02:09 PM

largedon: spr: guess how many people died of vehicular manslaughter yesterday, or hammer attack? waaaaaaaay more. Curious what "coincidentally" pops up in the mainstream news. its almost like there is an agenda.

/what you did there, I see it.

With the difference being that a car or a hammer ultimately has another proper usage that doesn't involve something dying, whereas a guns ultimate use is to kill.


This argument is always thrown in gun owner's faces...

I don't see anyone killed by these competition guns

3 gun

There are many, MANY legitimate uses for firearms. Just because YOU see them that way does not make it so.
 
2013-01-22 04:03:59 PM
 
2013-01-22 04:04:25 PM

farkingnotworking: Mr.BobDobalita: The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Right. Which is why you aren't allowed to discuss nuclear disarmament if you don't have a good grasp of the difference between gun-type assembly and implosion-assembly methods of detonation for thermonuclear devices.


People have a right to discuss it... but as I previously stated, if they clearly don't know what they are talking about and come in saying "nukes are bad mmmkay" and have nothing else to add to the conversation except their emotion based opinion that is lacking foundation or back up of actual facts and statistics, then they will be summarily dismissed.
 
2013-01-22 04:08:26 PM

Mr.BobDobalita:

People have a right to discuss it... but as I previously stated, if they clearly don't know what they are talking about and come in saying "nukes are bad mmmkay" and have nothing else to add to the conversation except their emotion based opinion that is lacking foundation or back up of actual facts and statistics, then they will be summarily dismissed.


Drop this argument ffs, you are wrong. Clip is a completely acceptable substitute for the word magazine in conversation. Get over it. You look stupid, as I said even most gun owners refer to their magazines as clips these days.
 
2013-01-22 04:17:41 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Chummer45: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Mr.BobDobalita: Fark It: Elzar: Fark It: Elzar: *checks watch*

Nope, still not the time to talk...

Well, we don't know who did the shooting and why, or with what kind of weapon. It's too early to even blame gun owners and the NRA, let alone have a discussion.

Agreed - but I think it is the time to discuss why the 2nd amendment doesn't mention full automatic weapons and yet our rights are trampled by not allowing every man free access to the machine gun/rocket launcher of choice. Soon only criminals will own machine guns and rocket launchers.

Most states allow people to buy machine guns, there is just an extra, extensive registration process. The machine gun registry was closed in 1986 because of the Hughes Amendment, which was ramrodded through as an Amendment to the FOPA despite failing to garner enough votes to be added in.

/complain about the lack of a reasonable discussion
//immediately start talking about machine guns and rocket launchers

Next up: So where does it end?! So you're saying the 2A means you can have nukes?!?!

The capacity of the magazine doesn't make much difference to a guy shooting fish in a barrel. Ask the V. Tech shooter who changed magazines 17 times. Capacity WILL make a BIG difference to the home owner fending off 2 or 3 intruders or just one with a gun... the first one to run out of bullets usually dies... so a mag capacity limit means law abiding people have 10 (or 7) and the criminal gets 15 (or 30)


Great ideas come from brilliant minds.


The reason calling it a "clip" disqualifies you from the convo is because if you can't even be informed enough to know what the most simple of terms are, how can you possibly be informed enough to have that "rational" discussion you say you want to have.

Remington sells "Magazine Clips." Does that disqualify them from talking about guns?


This is the dumbest talking point that comes up in every single fark gun thread. OMG! Some ...


Right, and how much attention do you pay to faux news? Not much. My point exactly.

I'm willing to have a rational discussion about firearms, including magazine capacity.... which 30 rds has been standard capacity for 50 years.... explain to me why it was ok for 50 years, but is suddenly not ok.

I will also explain to you how V. Tech shooter was able to change mags 17 times. If 2 or 3 intruders are coming in to your home at night, you damn well may need 30 shots with misses and the fact that people don't just fall down dead after getting shot one time unless it's a head shot and sometimes not even then. A lady with a revolver just shot a guy 5 times in the face and he walked back to his car and drove away.

If you take away standard capacity magazines, people are going to die because they ran out of bullets before stopping the threat against them. It's different for active shooter situations because they are done in a gun free zone and they are shooting fish in a barrel. They can take their time. The sandy hook "thing" had 20 minutes. He could have done it with a double barrel break action shot gun.


Are we free or are we not free? Is one life worth more than another? Do you really think more laws will limit suicidal maniacs?


The people in new york even acknowledge their laws won't stop the criminals.

NY GUN BAN
 
2013-01-22 04:42:19 PM

Weaver95: choo: Teacher or bystander on the phone says two guys fighting, both pull guns and start shooting at each other with one teacher hit.

Add in Lou Diamond Phillips and you've got yourself a good start on Young Guns III.


I was thinking more along the lines of final standoff in The Good The Bad and the Ugly and the teacher who couldnt shoot back was Tuco.
 
2013-01-22 04:42:42 PM

make me some tea: vygramul: Callous: CNN says one person has been detained, but it's unclear it that person is the shooter.

So... multiple shooters?

Let the conspiracy theories commence!


Is there a grassy knoll? I'm about to McGruder my pants.
 
2013-01-22 04:48:44 PM

asquian: Callous: GAT_00: Two more people got some glorious 2nd Amendment freedom today.

Or more accurately they got to see first hand how well Gun-Control laws really work.

Or even more accurately they got to see how making murder illegal really works.


/as long as we're being disingenuous


Actually, all three of the above apply equally and are true withbout any disingenuity.

Before I start, I fully support these asshats having their firearms rights revoked *based upon current information available*. Even if they were, ill use the term loosley, "lawful gunowners", they broke the law just by carrying at a school. That is enough to fry them in my mind.

There are laws in place that society has but in place for its members to fo follow. This to hopefully set a standard of conduct that while may be inconvienent for the individual or some, it benefits society as a whole. If you break those laws, there is a consequence. Laws never eliminate that which they target. Doe that mean they are worthless: no, They can minimize and regulate.

I am open to suggestions that may actually be effective. I am dead set against laws being made just because they can be or because "something must be done now!" Mindset.

Yes I am a gun owner. There are many who do not break the law. I very much enjoy target shooting. Are these incidents tragic: yes they are.

I am sure noone places sole blame for the shootings on an inanimate object. Something else is driving the mechanism for these things to happen. But that is hard, and since when has the american public been interested in doing something hard and making sure those who represent them in government are interested in it as well? Appollo missions come to mind - 2 genrations plus go.

But hey, why do the right or proper thing when "easy" is waiting there for you to latch on ans slob its knob so the back of your head can get scratched?

/this post applies to everyone - you, me, him over there and "us"
//this post also applies to many other facets of "our" society, country, comunity, planet
 
2013-01-22 04:51:21 PM

The Name: Knowing Texas, they'll probably declare Jan. 22 a state holiday, in honor of that brave shooter who refused to let the liberal gun-grabbers take his guns away.


You don't know Texas at all, son.
 
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