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(Time)   Chicken Noodle soup will cure you, unless you heat the bowl, then you will die   (healthland.time.com) divider line 64
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2013-01-22 03:20:32 PM  
Well shiat... we grew up eating virtually every meal, served on Melmac plates, bowls, and cups.

Nothing ever happened to me.. In fact, I feel just f...........

**THUD**
 
2013-01-22 03:35:08 PM  
Great. Another sponsored link.....
 
2013-01-22 03:35:18 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-22 03:36:11 PM  
i.ebayimg.com
The IKEA melamine soup ladle. Free shipping!
Hot. soup.
 
2013-01-22 03:36:29 PM  
Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!
 
2013-01-22 03:38:37 PM  
Eating plastic is bad for you.

www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com
 
2013-01-22 03:40:18 PM  
I see the Chinese have taken a brief departure from their penchant for putting lead in everything from clothing to baby toys to kitchenware.

/applause
 
2013-01-22 03:41:38 PM  
Melmac?

Is in, Alf's home planet???
 
2013-01-22 03:43:12 PM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!


Enjoy the lead in the glazes.
 
2013-01-22 03:43:35 PM  

shazbotuh: I see the Chinese have taken a brief departure from their penchant for putting lead in everything from clothing to baby toys to kitchenware.

/applause


They have scaled back the amount of lead from "too much" to "just enough for us not to get in trouble".
 
2013-01-22 03:44:21 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Eating plastic is bad for you.

[www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com image 160x200]


You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card.


Don't heat plastic.
Don't microwave metal.
Don't put anything in the oven that isn't meant for it.

Simple rules to follow.
 
2013-01-22 03:44:33 PM  
"In 2008, a scandal erupted in China when melamine powder was added to infant formula to boost the food's protein content leading to 50,000 hospitalizations and six deaths."

so... not enough to cause a real outrage. It's like 0.00005 of the population? Or am I missing a few zeros?
 
2013-01-22 03:45:54 PM  

Smackledorfer: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Eating plastic is bad for you.

[www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com image 160x200]

You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card.


Don't heat plastic.
Don't microwave metal.
Don't put anything in the oven that isn't meant for it.

Simple rules to follow.


There's no cure, there's no answer.  *Everything* gives you cancer.

/kinda obscure
 
2013-01-22 03:47:39 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Smackledorfer: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Eating plastic is bad for you.

[www.physicianschoiceinsurance.com image 160x200]

You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card.


Don't heat plastic.
Don't microwave metal.
Don't put anything in the oven that isn't meant for it.

Simple rules to follow.

There's no cure, there's no answer.  *Everything* gives you cancer.

/kinda obscure


Whatever. That shoeless baseball player.
 
2013-01-22 03:49:08 PM  
Made in China.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:00 PM  

Pinner: "In 2008, a scandal erupted in China when melamine powder was added to infant formula to boost the food's protein content leading to 50,000 hospitalizations and six deaths."

so... not enough to cause a real outrage. It's like 0.00005 of the population? Or am I missing a few zeros?


Yes, except for the part where they put non-food into foods and then didn't tell anyone about it. I'm pretty sure those six families with dead babies are pretty outraged. Probably those 50,000 other families of sick babies, too.
 
2013-01-22 03:51:39 PM  
I only use clay bowls I got in Mexico
they have a lovely lead glaze on them .
 
2013-01-22 03:52:12 PM  
"Whether the amount released from melamine bowls is enough to cause health problems isn't clear,"

Approximately 7 micrograms? Total? Over three weeks?

Yeah - I think it's pretty freaking clear. The World Health Organization says that 2.5 milligrams per kilogram of food is a safe level.

Low levels cause no observable health effects (and yes, less than one part in 350 of the "safe" limit can be considered "low") .
 
jvl
2013-01-22 04:00:35 PM  

Smackledorfer: You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card


As you point out, "don't microwave plastic bowls that are not microwave-safe" is a rule, so yes this is a stupid scaremongering story.
 
2013-01-22 04:00:48 PM  

cirby: "Whether the amount released from melamine bowls is enough to cause health problems isn't clear,"

Approximately 7 micrograms? Total? Over three weeks?

Yeah - I think it's pretty freaking clear. The World Health Organization says that 2.5 milligrams per kilogram of food is a safe level.

Low levels cause no observable health effects (and yes, less than one part in 350 of the "safe" limit can be considered "low") .


Quiet, you.

People are trying to panic.
 
2013-01-22 04:06:29 PM  
What moron uses melamine for hot foods. This is why they are part of picnic sets. For COLD STUFF. Plus you have to handwash them. Melamine is he most ridiculous thing ever. Sorry it annoys me. LOL.
 
2013-01-22 04:07:28 PM  
This is why I just mix and heat the soup in my hot tub.
 
2013-01-22 04:07:48 PM  
Card,
 
2013-01-22 04:09:27 PM  

jvl: Smackledorfer: You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card

As you point out, "don't microwave plastic bowls that are not microwave-safe" is a rule, so yes this is a stupid scaremongering story.


No plastic bowls are microwave safe the last I heard. They will still break down and leach garbage into the food you eat over the course of being heated and reheated. The "safe" determination is based on a variety of factors including will the container be eaten out of directly, the surface to food ratio, estimated temperatures that the foods a bowl may be meant for will reach (and it isn't like no one has ever nuked something too hot, or nuked something lazily so one spot reaches a bazillion degrees instead of stirring every two minutes) etc. Some plastic containers are even considered safe for a single use but not multiple uses.

Then you figure in getting scratches and such on the plastic over time as well which dramatically changes that surface area ratio. Or breakdown over time through the dishwasher or any scrubbing you give it.

Now I say all this, and mind you I still occasionally do it out of convenience, plus I smoke when I get drunk, so It isn't like I'm some puritan about these things. But with all the stuff that can contribute to cancer, why not save my carcinogens and toxic garbage for things I will enjoy like smoking or crisply burned barbecue? A glass bowl is just as convenient as a plastic one, it is just slightly heavier.
 
2013-01-22 04:14:41 PM  
I can in fact, confirm, that everyone in this thread will die.
 
2013-01-22 04:15:58 PM  
I'm pretty sure this is a repeat. At least, I already knew this.

/still heat stuff like this from time to time, sadly.
 
2013-01-22 04:17:39 PM  

bglove25: I can in fact, confirm, that everyone in this thread will die.


We just want to know what's making our pee smell before we go.
 
2013-01-22 04:18:59 PM  

Smackledorfer: I still occasionally do it out of convenience, plus I smoke when I get drunk,


Ok. Guilty.
But I still wear a condom every single time.
 
2013-01-22 04:20:30 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: What moron uses melamine for hot foods. This is why they are part of picnic sets. For COLD STUFF. Plus you have to handwash them. Melamine is he most ridiculous thing ever. Sorry it annoys me. LOL.


Stupid, yes, but not as stupid as manufacturing eating utensils out of stuff that is potentially harmful.when eaten. If there were no other way to make bowls, then okay, it's worth the risk, but why don't we simplify this?
 
2013-01-22 04:20:37 PM  

cirby: "Whether the amount released from melamine bowls is enough to cause health problems isn't clear,"

Approximately 7 micrograms? Total? Over three weeks?

Yeah - I think it's pretty freaking clear. The World Health Organization says that 2.5 milligrams per kilogram of food is a safe level.

Low levels cause no observable health effects (and yes, less than one part in 350 of the "safe" limit can be considered "low") .


Came to say this. It wasn't over 3 weeks, but 12 hours. But, it was total for the entire study, 12 people.

Eating a bowl of noodles...
Normal Melamine excretion: ~.11 x 10^-6 g = .^Cg per person
Plasticware Melamine excretion: ~.70 x 10^-6 = .00000070g per person
"Safe" level of melamine consumption: .0025g per kg of food

Also, they must have some uber awesome filtering and detection apparatuses to be able to detect the microgram level of melamine content in urine.
 
2013-01-22 04:21:20 PM  
Pinner:
We just want to know what's making our pee smell before we go.

Oh, that was the bowls made out of asparagine.
 
2013-01-22 04:22:13 PM  
I'm pretty sure all the hospital food is microwaved in melamine bowls.
 
2013-01-22 04:22:18 PM  

Smackledorfer: No plastic bowls are microwave safe the last I heard.


That may be true, but many makers of plastic bowls advertise them as microwave safe.
 
2013-01-22 04:22:33 PM  
But eating styrofoam is still ok, right?
 
2013-01-22 04:23:33 PM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!


Did they use lead free glaze? Didn't think so. You'll be sitting in a corner drooling before long.
 
2013-01-22 04:23:57 PM  

blatz514: But eating styrofoam is still ok, right?


Who hasn't completely covered a styrofoam cup in bite bitemarks as a kid?
 
2013-01-22 04:24:04 PM  

Diogenes: Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!

Enjoy the lead in the glazes.


And if they are orange, the uranium.
 
2013-01-22 04:24:38 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: What moron uses melamine for hot foods. This is why they are part of picnic sets. For COLD STUFF. Plus you have to handwash them. Melamine is he most ridiculous thing ever. Sorry it annoys me. LOL.


I had a houseguest once ruin a melamine plate when she decided to steam some squash on it for dinner. That's at least one moron.
 
2013-01-22 04:25:34 PM  

Smackledorfer: jvl: Smackledorfer: You ric romero it, but I bet before this thread ends we see at least a dozen people play "blah blah everything causes cancer oh noes so I will ignore all health warnings" card

As you point out, "don't microwave plastic bowls that are not microwave-safe" is a rule, so yes this is a stupid scaremongering story.

No plastic bowls are microwave safe the last I heard. They will still break down and leach garbage into the food you eat over the course of being heated and reheated. The "safe" determination is based on a variety of factors including will the container be eaten out of directly, the surface to food ratio, estimated temperatures that the foods a bowl may be meant for will reach (and it isn't like no one has ever nuked something too hot, or nuked something lazily so one spot reaches a bazillion degrees instead of stirring every two minutes) etc. Some plastic containers are even considered safe for a single use but not multiple uses.

Then you figure in getting scratches and such on the plastic over time as well which dramatically changes that surface area ratio. Or breakdown over time through the dishwasher or any scrubbing you give it.

Now I say all this, and mind you I still occasionally do it out of convenience, plus I smoke when I get drunk, so It isn't like I'm some puritan about these things. But with all the stuff that can contribute to cancer, why not save my carcinogens and toxic garbage for things I will enjoy like smoking or crisply burned barbecue? A glass bowl is just as convenient as a plastic one, it is just slightly heavier.



I don't microwave anything in plastic. "Microwave safe" just means it won't damage the microwave or arc like metal will. Microwaves tend to cause intense hot spots in food and liquids where standing waves form. This effect is very obvious in microwaves without a carousel, but it still occurs in those that have them.

While the average temperature of the food might be relatively normal-hot, these hot spots can bubble and melt many plastics, and will leech chemicals from most. For this reason, I always heat things in a glass bowl.
 
2013-01-22 04:28:15 PM  
Guys - I switched to a copper bowl and got nailed in the face with the microwave door when it exploded.
I knew I shouldn't have watched that little lightning storm!
 
2013-01-22 04:29:28 PM  

Pinner: Whatever. That shoeless baseball player.


Fair enough.
 
2013-01-22 04:40:00 PM  
So the WHO concluded that melamine is carcinogenic to animals, but the impact on humans is inconclusive...back in 1999. Two things:
1) if it is carcinogenic to animals, shouldn't the burden of proof fall on manufacturers to prove it's safe for humans? Fark, shouldn't it have been their burden in the first place? God our regulatory agencies have backwards priorities.
2) 1999???? So in the last 14 years, they still haven't figured it out? It's almost as if they don't want to know.
 
2013-01-22 04:42:02 PM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!


Enjoy your gradual lead poisoning.
 
2013-01-22 04:43:32 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Pinner: "In 2008, a scandal erupted in China when melamine powder was added to infant formula to boost the food's protein content leading to 50,000 hospitalizations and six deaths."

so... not enough to cause a real outrage. It's like 0.00005 of the population? Or am I missing a few zeros?

Yes, except for the part where they put non-food into foods and then didn't tell anyone about it. I'm pretty sure those six families with dead babies are pretty outraged. Probably those 50,000 other families of sick babies, too.


The babies were girls so it's all good.
 
2013-01-22 04:47:05 PM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!


So you face lead instead of melamine.

The researchers reported that the total melamine excretion in urine was 8.35 µg for those using melamine bowls and 1.31 µg for those eating from ceramic bowls.

Soooo.... either it's environmentally endemic or the microgram range testing is flaky.
 
2013-01-22 04:50:22 PM  

meat0918: Diogenes: Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!

Enjoy the lead in the glazes.

And if they are orange, the uranium.


Also, hobo spit.
 
2013-01-22 05:19:46 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: if it is carcinogenic to animals, shouldn't the burden of proof fall on manufacturers to prove it's safe for humans?


Not really. It depends on the animals, dose and specific cancer, but it is *really* easy to give cancer to lab mice/rats with all sorts of substances that are completely safe for human consumption.

/Also really easy to fix cancer in rats & mice
//Rodent cancer is largely a solved problem, too bad it doesn't transfer so easily to people
 
2013-01-22 05:35:30 PM  

doczoidberg: Melmac?

Is in, Alf's home planet???


Yeah. Melmac blowing up was a subtle joke on the "Unbreakable" Melmac brand of dishes.
 
2013-01-22 05:48:57 PM  

Diogenes: Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Hooray for my motley assortment of handmade ceramic bowls made by friends and purchased from soup kitchen fundraisers!

Enjoy the lead in the glazes.


Nope, all food-safe. I checked. :)
 
2013-01-22 05:49:42 PM  
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

/amidoingitright?
 
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