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(Telegraph)   Does religion help you "Love your neighbour"? No, according to this study   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 317
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2013-01-22 09:08:57 PM

The number 7 and the letter Q!: t3knomanser: The number 7 and the letter Q!: Any system that teaches good morals can help a person love their neighbor

I sincerely doubt that pro-social behavior is something that can be learned. I think that human beings, by and large, instinctively engage in pro-social behaviors. There are inherent conflicts with our limitations in that regard (we're great in societies of 20ish people, we start failing in societies of thousands, and it gets all farked up when you try and build a society of millions), but that's not because we need to learn to "love our neighbor". We simply need to recognize that these strangers are our neighbor.

We are social animals, and we are inherently compassionate and kind to our peers. Those that are not are deviants, and I do not believe that education fixes it- it's a biological issue that must be treated.

Interesting idea. I honestly haven't studied human instinctual behavior in detail (I'm an English teacher) but now I've got something to look up online when the kids are napping. Thanks.


There was an article in either Discover magazine or scientific American recently that discussed the evolution of cooperation. Interesting read.
 
2013-01-22 09:16:41 PM

RobSeace: I drunk what: if there is a god, what is living the best life?

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Hot water, good dentistry and soft lavatory paper.

/Well, it's nothing very special. Try to be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try and live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations.
 
2013-01-22 09:24:27 PM

Novart: encyclopediaplushuman: fickenchucker: Pony-lover commenting on pedophilia...ironic.

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Just to reiterate...Bronies are attention whores and pedophiles.


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2013-01-22 11:43:22 PM
Or, as Mr Gandhi once said, "Christianity is such a wonderful, magnificent idea; It's a shame no one's ever tried it."

/Bada-BOOM!!
 
2013-01-22 11:48:21 PM

Novart: Just to reiterate...Bronies are attention whores and pedophiles.


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2013-01-22 11:51:02 PM

Gregosaurus: Or, as Mr Gandhi once said, "Christianity is such a wonderful, magnificent idea; It's a shame no one's ever tried it."

/Bada-BOOM!!


Ghandi was kind of a dick.
 
2013-01-23 12:48:53 AM

Hyjamon: The number 7 and the letter Q!: t3knomanser: The number 7 and the letter Q!: Any system that teaches good morals can help a person love their neighbor

I sincerely doubt that pro-social behavior is something that can be learned. I think that human beings, by and large, instinctively engage in pro-social behaviors. There are inherent conflicts with our limitations in that regard (we're great in societies of 20ish people, we start failing in societies of thousands, and it gets all farked up when you try and build a society of millions), but that's not because we need to learn to "love our neighbor". We simply need to recognize that these strangers are our neighbor.

We are social animals, and we are inherently compassionate and kind to our peers. Those that are not are deviants, and I do not believe that education fixes it- it's a biological issue that must be treated.

Interesting idea. I honestly haven't studied human instinctual behavior in detail (I'm an English teacher) but now I've got something to look up online when the kids are napping. Thanks.

There was an article in either Discover magazine or scientific American recently that discussed the evolution of cooperation. Interesting read.


I will look for it, thanks.
 
2013-01-23 01:39:02 AM

Amos Quito: The original intent was to promote in-group altruism


Actually, Luke leads directly from that saying to the parable of the Good Samaritan, which has pretty much the opposite message about in groups. (Luke 10:25-37)
 
2013-01-23 01:55:03 AM
Well, I'll say one thing...I'm not about to read all the arguments going on about all the religious stuff, but I will say this:

If your religion is worth killing for, please start with yourself.

That is all.
 
2013-01-23 02:05:16 AM

The Southern Dandy: If a person can so easily lie to themselves, how difficult do you think it is for them to lie to you?


Do you conduct yourself as if your life has the same weight as a dog or a chicken? If not, do you include yourself in that group?
 
2013-01-23 03:07:24 AM
What good has scientific study ever done for the religious? It simply isn't their language.
 
2013-01-23 04:24:12 AM

Olympic Trolling Judge: rev. dave: We need harmony to survive.

Which brings us right back to the ponies.


Or link getting a fancy wallet for his rupees. Whatever
 
2013-01-23 06:14:25 AM

SomethingToDo: avoid eating fat


The other conditions are fine, but if this is a requirement for living a good life, then screw it, I'm not interested!

/You'll pry my bacon from my cold dead hands!
 
2013-01-23 06:21:56 AM

Deucednuisance: skipjack: So you say. Your assertion is bare.

Not so, all necessary evidence exists upthread. You may hoist yourself thither by your own petard.

skipjack: I haven't said that because one engages in ridicule that it's all they have.

Your readers are not responsible for your artless presentation of your intended point.


I appreciate your critique, and next time I will give more artful flourishes. Until then, your assertion is still bare.
 
2013-01-23 06:52:02 AM

d23: Incidentally this story is sometimes triggering a "Liberty University Online" banner ad.

Incidentally they don't teach a form of Christianity that is even recognizable to my Christian upbringing.


I saw a car magnet with Liberty U on it. I wanted to find the person and laugh.
 
2013-01-23 09:32:45 AM

t3knomanser: UberDave: You mean the most simple and easy to follow doctrines

Given the average success rate, I'd argue that they may be simple, but are not easy to follow doctrines.


"Maybe God isn't the sex police, Richard. Sometimes I think Christians get all hung up on the sex thing because it's easier to worry about sex than to ask yourself, Am I a good person? If as long as you don't have sex with a lot of people you're a good person, that's easy. It's easy to avoid that. It's easy to think, I'm not f***ing anyone, so I'm good. It makes it easy to be cruel, because as long as you're not f***ing around, nothing you do can be that bad. Is that all you really think of God? Is he just the sex police for you and Malcom? Or is it that sex is easy to worry about, easy to avoid, and the whole love-your-neighbor-as-you-love-yourself thing that's hard?"

- The Harlequin by Laurell K. Hamilton
 
2013-01-23 11:39:24 AM
People believed in the nice teachings of the bible and passed them down over thousands of years.
To say that religion has had no effect is a bit short sighted.  Or, it's possible that they were learned over thousands of years, then written into the bible.  The fact is, these things are practical.  And they are so ingrained into society that of course there isn't going to be a direct relation now.

People help their neighbors now in larger ways.  They contribute to food drives or donate money.  They don't need to literally invite their neighbor over.  But if they do, it's more a practicality.  Being nice to your neighbor is a smart decision for many practical reasons.  Cost of fence repair, them not calling the police if you do something dumb on accident.  Neighborhood watch.  Being nice to them in advance, helps them not shoot you when you come over to ask them to turn the music down.

And as far as "Trust thy neighbor".  I've never heard that before.  That seems like a leap.
 
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