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2013-01-22 08:19:25 AM
4 votes:
Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling
2013-01-22 08:44:15 AM
3 votes:
There isn't any dispute that there are real cases of ADHD. However, a lot of doctors view this as a revenue stream. If a doctor diagnoses a child with ADHD, he is guaranteed repeated office visits.

I know it's purely anecdotal, but a couple teachers I know have figured out that students whose parent's insurance covers the treatment or children who are on Medicaid are a lot more prone to have ADHD than children who don't have insurance coverage. Has anyone ever done a study on that aspect?
2013-01-22 08:43:35 AM
3 votes:

Glockenspiel Hero: Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling


There are kids who truly have it...but over 3% of all children? That's ridiculously high. Most of the kids "diagnosed" are done so by teachers...and there's not enough arguing by the doctors who dole out the medications. We also didn't have this issue decades ago. We just said that some kids weren't cut out for school, and gave them other options (trade work, etc). Now society has labeled people without college degrees as failures, which is dumb. This problem is more of a manufactured problem of our society (humans were not made to sit inside all day long, working on computers) than it is a real medical crisis. My b-i-l was diagnosed with ADHD and took medication while he was young. He graduated high school, and now he works in a factory (making more money than his college educated brother). People label this a "lowly" job, but he likes it more than he'd ever like working in an office.
2013-01-22 08:14:36 AM
3 votes:
The article says "diagnosed with ADHD", not that there are that many mor kids who actually have it.

/kids weren't made to sit at a desk 8 hours a day with no recess and a 15 minute lunch break
2013-01-22 08:13:35 AM
3 votes:
ADHD sells pills. It's a boom time for the pharmaceutical multi-national conglomerates.
2013-01-22 08:12:55 AM
3 votes:
In other news, sales of Ritalin increase 24% in last decade.
2013-01-22 08:53:05 AM
2 votes:
When my daughter was in third grade she started flunking everything. She couldn't read a paragraph and tell you what she just read. Every night I struggled to help her with her homework, she just couldn't get it. Anything she did in class she automatically failed. The thing is, she was (is) the best kid ever. Not a discipline problem, super smart, but she couldn't complete a task if you gave her a million bucks. It went on like that until the middle of 6th grade, I was tearing my hair out every night trying to help her pass her classes. I decided I needed to do something. I did some research on the Internet, I looked up ADD/ADHD, every symptom they listed was a symptom my daughter exhibited. It was like a lightbulb went off.

I took her to a recommended psychologist in Tulsa. They performed a battery of tests. It took an entire day. When the report came back I wasn't surprised to see that she had ADHD, in her case she really didn't have the HD component so it was somewhat masked. It was determined that she learned best by listening, not reading, but she was so easily distracted that anyone tapping a pencil or shuffling their feet would destroy her concentration.

We took her to her pediatrician and get her started on Concerta. It changed her life and ours. I say that our real daughter emerged when she started her medication. We could have a conversation with her! She could do her homework, take notes, all on her own! It was a revelation!

She's now a sophomore, honor student with a 4.0, is an all-star basketball and softball player, and wants to be a pediatrician.

I never believed in this ADHD stuff, but I'm a believer now!

/sorry for the wall of text
/Csb?
2013-01-22 08:35:58 AM
2 votes:

greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.


yeas... all illnesses that require treatment are. Just one huge 'Big Pharma' conspiracy. All of it. Especially asthma, MS, paranoid schizophrenia, autism and cancer. The only true illnesses are Gay, Islam and Texas Holdem Poker.
2013-01-22 08:30:12 AM
2 votes:
ADHD doesn't always mean bouncing off the wall. The impression that all ADHD kids are balls of youthful energy is a fallacy that hurts many of those kids as they reach into adulthood. Is it over diagnosed? For those kids who are full of energy and youthful exhuberene and defiance, absolutely. But don't think for a secodn that it isn't real and that it is a function of doing what you enjoy doing.

I cannot speak for all of us unlucky ones who have ADHD as adults but unmedicated I have a hard time paying attention to ANYTHING. As in I have gotten lost in the maze of my own mind in the midst of doing pleasureable activities such as having sex, playing video games, hanging out with friends. So to me at least it is not a function of doing something that I am not interested in... it is well and truly an inability to focus.
2013-01-22 08:28:15 AM
2 votes:

Glockenspiel Hero: Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling


It may be true for some kids.
I highly believe it's a diagnosis for the most part for real active kids that just need to burn off energy and the parents / teachers don't want to deal with it so they dope the kid up.
2013-01-22 08:23:10 AM
2 votes:
"ADHD" is something made up by doctors to placate parents who are no longer allowed to punish their kids because the law says it's illegal. If we were still allowed to smack a kid once in a while when they did something really bad, they wouldn't be the unholy terrors you see that get labelled with this imaginary syndrome. As for the *rare* few that may actually be legitimately affected by something, it's more likely to be some kind of brain damage causing it.
2013-01-22 08:18:34 AM
2 votes:
Kids shouldn't be using performance enhancing drugs.

It's like our classrooms are full of Lance Armstrongs.
2013-01-22 08:16:51 AM
2 votes:

greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.


As someone who was given Ritalin as a kid and told he had ADD, I agree with this statement.

Sure, the drug helps kids do better in school, but at what price?

Also, it should be noted that the drug would help ANYONE do better at school.
2013-01-22 08:14:48 AM
2 votes:
ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.
2013-01-22 08:12:00 AM
2 votes:
Are there more kids with ADHD or are they just diagnosing more kids with ADHD?

/dnrtfa
2013-01-22 11:32:39 AM
1 votes:
I love it when they call "being a brat" Defiant Opposition Disorder (or whatever).

I once encountered a woman with a HORRIBLE kid who said he had that disease. Wouldn't punish him. I think both of them should have been beaten.
2013-01-22 11:15:52 AM
1 votes:

steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU


Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.
2013-01-22 11:15:30 AM
1 votes:
few things you wil NEVER win a SSID case with ADD alone, period no questions asked so whoever says thy are are simply lying out of embaressment for what they are really getting it for. also theres 2 types of ADD, ADD hyperactive and impulse AKA ADHD and ADD: inattentive, as a therapist and current diagnostician both fo these certainly do exist, what is heppenign however is too many parents whos children are goign through a conduct disorder, or oppositional defiant period are getting diagnosed with ADD. Add into that the fact the society like to deny the existence of sociopathy whihc despite the denial is a striking 2-4% of the population, when sociopathic qualities manifest in a child its often misconstrued ebcuse kids cnat be sociopaths right!!!!.... wrong.
2013-01-22 11:08:30 AM
1 votes:

steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.


By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU
2013-01-22 11:04:53 AM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.


fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.
2013-01-22 10:46:08 AM
1 votes:
I believe that ADHD exists, but is heavily over-diagnosed. Not because parents don't want to deal with their kids, but because if the kids are crazy energetic little shiats the parents feel that "something" has to be wrong. So it's a magic bullet. Kids act nuts, they must have ADHD. And, it gives parents a chance to have something to brag about to other parents. Oh sure, they don't sound like they are bragging, but if their child has ADHD, well, just look how heroic of a parent they are because they have this challenge they must face every day! Plus, any bad behavior can be excused.
I just feel for the parents who really do have a kid with it and have to deal. Can't be easy.
2013-01-22 09:44:07 AM
1 votes:

Glockenspiel Hero: As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real

-but over diagnosed
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc) -But studies have shown that cutting the junk food and increasing exercise eliminates the need for drugs for all but the most serious cases
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one. -Most agree, drugs are occasionally necessary, but currently vastly over-prescribed
Do you know there are regular schools where over half the kids are on some form of ADHD medication? The school practically hires doctors to hand out prescriptions. There are other schools, in matching socio-economic areas, that have less than 1% on drugs. That just doesn't make sense if it's solely a medical condition.

If your kid is one of 1-2% in his school on the drugs, then I'm fine with it: He's a legitimate case. If he's one of 50%, then I start getting leery.
2013-01-22 09:42:43 AM
1 votes:

dragyne: ADHD doesn't always mean bouncing off the wall. The impression that all ADHD kids are balls of youthful energy is a fallacy that hurts many of those kids as they reach into adulthood. Is it over diagnosed? For those kids who are full of energy and youthful exhuberene and defiance, absolutely. But don't think for a secodn that it isn't real and that it is a function of doing what you enjoy doing.

I cannot speak for all of us unlucky ones who have ADHD as adults but unmedicated I have a hard time paying attention to ANYTHING. As in I have gotten lost in the maze of my own mind in the midst of doing pleasureable activities such as having sex, playing video games, hanging out with friends. So to me at least it is not a function of doing something that I am not interested in... it is well and truly an inability to focus.


Diagnosed at age 38, now 43, and although my life was hell up until that point I disagree with you calling us unlucky. When I was finally diagnosed I was so relieved I broke down in tears and you know exactly why I did. Since then I find I prefer the company of others with it. We are definately different and in a good way. Who else is going to be able to understand you and be tolerant of your behaviour than another with it? We also seem to be lacking the ability to be fake and malicious like most common folk. I believe it is because we can't focus long enough to be devious or the inherent naivete we have keeps us in an almost childlike mentality that prevents us from acting false or fake, pretending to be something we aren't or portray false feelings. We are open books, and although some will find us intolerable for speaking our minds and feelings without hesitation, I love myself and the rest of you with it for that very reason. We are honest. We don't have ulterior motives. I recommend joining a group therapy just to have the pleasure of being in a room full of others like yourselves and you will see what I'm talking about.

Because of this I will only date women who have also been diagnosed, preferably as an adult as well. I have learned many coping mechanisms and methods for adjusting in order to better my life and if anyone needs advice or even a friendly ear, I am here for you. Noone that doesn't have it can possibly understand and therefore please stay away from so called "life coaches". They are vultures who are not going to help you do anything other than empty your wallet or purse.

Also for those in the Edmonton area I want to warn you about this so called Canadian "expert" on adult ADHD Dr. Nagy Youssef, he doesn't have it, he has only a basic understanding of what life is like with it, and is actively trying to get recognition of it as a disability removed by the CRA and the federal govnmt. That is not the behaviour of a caring and understanding health proffesional and having seen him for 6 months I can assure you he is worse than useless, he will damage your self-esteem and minimize your struggles. Avoid him.

Also, if you didn't know, it is a recognised mental disability and a decent general practitioner can assist you in filling out the forms necessary to qualify for the disability tax credit. If you are approved, I was, you can ask to have it applied retroactively for the last ten tax years and you will get a cheque from the CRA for about $16,000 once they have reassessed your taxes. It takes over six months but worth it, n'est pas?
2013-01-22 09:29:12 AM
1 votes:
Attention spans are lower in a world with an abundance of stimuli more engaging than one's expected tasks.

/film at 11
2013-01-22 09:13:49 AM
1 votes:
I remember when they used to just call it "hyper-active"

/Cant wait for spring to work on my lawn
2013-01-22 09:09:21 AM
1 votes:

DON.MAC: steverockson: I took her to a recommended psychologist in Tulsa. They performed a battery of tests. It took an entire day. When the report came back I wasn't surprised to see that she had ADHD, in her case she really didn't have the HD component so it was somewhat masked. It was determined that she learned best by listening, not reading, but she was so easily distracted that anyone tapping a pencil or shuffling their feet would destroy her concentration.

Did the same thing (except it may have been at Moore) in 1977 or so.  I don't think ADHD was there at the time. My mother loved having a label and my father said I was a geek (in different words) and decided to fill in the educational gaps and I was building my own computers from scratch a few years later.  I am still a geek.


Yeah. A lot of moms are like this.

They just GOTTA identify their child as "ADD Johnny," or whatever.

I wonder how much damage that does for the kid's self esteem. HE'S never to blame for his faults; it's always the ADD that's holding him back. Also, HE'S never to blame for his successes; it's the DRUG that helped him!
2013-01-22 09:03:46 AM
1 votes:
You can collect SSID Social Security Disability for ADHD.

I wonder if that influences some people to get their kids diagnosed with ADHD so they can collect $$$.


*No offense to anyone who really does have ADHD and collects SSID.
2013-01-22 09:03:09 AM
1 votes:

SuperSally: Glockenspiel Hero: Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling

As another parent of a severe ADD kid I'd also like to add that there are two types of ADD, hyperactive and inattentive, so the nonsense concept of punishing kids more because they'll stop acting out is stupid. My daughter is better behaved than most of her non-ADD classmates because she's more than happy to sit quietly at her desk, doodle and daydream all day, her brain flitting from one thought to the next. In fact, her excellent behavior is part of why we have such a hard time getting the school to up the discipline for her. Why would they discipline a good kid, even if she is sitting there learning nothing?

We've requested anytime she's excessively off task or not doing her assignments that she is immediately sent to in-school suspension (where it's quiet and she can actually FOCUS) and they're reluctant to do even that.


I, myself, have ADD without the Hyperactivity. My son, on the other hand, has full ADHD.

I know exactly what you are talking about. It's the difference between what schools designate as behavior disordered, and learning disabled. Your daughter, like me, is not behavior disordered, and it is difficult for them to pinpoint and classify her as learning disabled, so you have a hard time convincing the school that a little bit of medicine would benefit her. My mother had to fight this when we moved and I attended a new school. They had never seen ADD without hyperactivity, it's still extremely rare, so they were reluctant to allow me to take my meds. Finally, after my grades suffered significantly the school relented and allowed her to put me on the meds.....Boy were they in shock when all of the sudden my grades skyrocketed.

Keep fighting the good fight.
2013-01-22 08:56:44 AM
1 votes:

Glockenspiel Hero: Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling


As another parent of a severe ADD kid I'd also like to add that there are two types of ADD, hyperactive and inattentive, so the nonsense concept of punishing kids more because they'll stop acting out is stupid. My daughter is better behaved than most of her non-ADD classmates because she's more than happy to sit quietly at her desk, doodle and daydream all day, her brain flitting from one thought to the next. In fact, her excellent behavior is part of why we have such a hard time getting the school to up the discipline for her. Why would they discipline a good kid, even if she is sitting there learning nothing?

We've requested anytime she's excessively off task or not doing her assignments that she is immediately sent to in-school suspension (where it's quiet and she can actually FOCUS) and they're reluctant to do even that.
2013-01-22 08:42:08 AM
1 votes:
It's not a "disorder"; it's just the natural way some people are.
2013-01-22 08:38:11 AM
1 votes:
I think the whole "bunny rabbit" and "something shiny" joke has really, really run its course.
2013-01-22 08:35:03 AM
1 votes:

numbone: The simple fear of living in a trailer house when I grew up cured my ADHD.


Call me a redneck, but I actually wouldn't mind living in a half-way decent trailer house. As long as it's on my own plot of land out in the middle of no where. No way in hell would I live in a trailer park, unless I had no other choice.
2013-01-22 08:33:26 AM
1 votes:
The simple fear of living in a trailer house when I grew up cured my ADHD.
2013-01-22 08:21:35 AM
1 votes:
ADHD sells pills. It's a boom time for the pharmaceutical multi-national conglomerates.

The only way to treat a kid with ADHD, is to diagnose a kid with ADHD.
2013-01-22 08:21:30 AM
1 votes:

bborchar: The article says "diagnosed with ADHD", not that there are that many mor kids who actually have it.

/kids weren't made to sit at a desk 8 hours a day with no recess and a 15 minute lunch break


Kids still have recess, and gym class where I am from. What kids weren't meant to do, is watch TV and play video games all day long on their time off. They should be playing, all the time. No such thing as ADHD, only kids who are play deprived and have no discipline.
 
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