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2013-01-22 12:46:44 PM  
AD&D just sounds cooler.

No such thing anyway. Just excuses for bad parenting.
 
2013-01-22 12:58:21 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: I was diagnosed with ADD and put on Dexedrine. The pediatrician I had would basically bump up the prescription every time my mom asked (pretty much every visit). Every time that happened I would be up for a week. Well, I might finally fall asleep at 5 am, then have to get up at 6 am. Then they wondered why I couldn't pay attention. Gee, really?

Funny how when another doctor freaked out at the dose I was on and after 4 months of weaning me off of it under the supervision of a neurologist I managed to get two engineering degrees.


Same thing happened with my Husband. He was on Adderall XR while he was working and going to college at the same time. When he graduated he couldn't be on his parent's insurance anymore so he went unmedicated for a while until he got a new job and started taking it again.

He stayed up for 3 days on one farking pill, he tried a few times to "get used to it" and same shiat happened.

He went to his doctor, explained what was happening to him. Instead of changing my Husband's prescription he gave Ativan (Lorazepam), an addictive muscle relaxant. WTF?

Taking an "upper" in the morning and then a "downer" just so you can sleep isn't good.

/Taking him to another doctor soon
//Concerta seems to be working out for him instead
///Definitely has ADD, damn that boy gets distracted
 
2013-01-22 01:00:52 PM  
Okay, to those of you claiming it's not real/it's my parents fault.

No.

I actually had to delete a 'screw you' because... well, what can I say, I dislike it when people insult my parents.

Now, is it overdiagnosed? OH GOD YES. A diagnosis should NEVER be "take them to a doctor, tell them they have trouble paying attention, here's your ADD meds!". My diagnosis took place over the span of three months, including a battery of tests and a month long, double-blind test. (take a pill from box A, B, C, D, E, F, etc on different days, teachers and parents and myself evaluate myself on those days, at the end of the month everything was compared. So boxes had placebos, some had varying doses of ritalin).

Now, part of the problem is that I highly suspect what we call ADHD may not be a single 'thing', but, well, many different things causing similar symptoms. (Whatever variation I have, it's gotta be genetic. Me, my brother, my mom, my mother's *entire side of the family*...)

The best way I can describe it is it's not so much that I daydream, or that I can't pay attention to things. Rather, the problem is, to some extent, the opposite; I can't NOT pay attention to things. Without training and/or medication, *I could not block out external stimuli* well at ALL.

This is not entirely a bad thing. I find I tend to be a lot more consciously aware of my environment than others. I notice things people don't. In a hunter-gatherer society, this would probably be an incredible boon.

It is not really helpful in a traditional classroom setting.

/Does seem to be helpful when I'm performing research, though.
//Oh hey that tiny thing was different maybe that's why my results aren't matching up!
 
2013-01-22 01:01:54 PM  

ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.


Omg. Someone disagrees with me. Must be a troll!

The fact is there has been proliferation of increased mental illness without much actual science to back it up. The tome on disorder has grown expnentially from the same science that put forth eugenics.

Do you honestly believe nearly 10% of the population is too disabled to work?You are part of the excuse, not my fault culture.

Study after study shows most add is cured or remediated through proper diet and exercise. But fark that, that shiat is hard, what is on tv.

Both of you are ignorant if you dont believe there is an excuse making culture seeking ways to pass their own blame.
 
2013-01-22 01:15:03 PM  
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blah blah blah, who wants to watch me hit some dingers?
 
2013-01-22 01:18:18 PM  

MyRandomName: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Omg. Someone disagrees with me. Must be a troll!

The fact is there has been proliferation of increased mental illness without much actual science to back it up. The tome on disorder has grown expnentially from the same science that put forth eugenics.

Do you honestly believe nearly 10% of the population is too disabled to work?You are part of the excuse, not my fault culture.

Study after study shows most add is cured or remediated through proper diet and exercise. But fark that, that shiat is hard, what is on tv.

Both of you are ignorant if you dont believe there is an excuse making culture seeking ways to pass their own blame.


Walk a day in my shoes asshole, then see if you still call it an excuse.

AND! Diet and exercise won't do shiat for a chemical imbalance that you get through genetics. Which ADHD has been linked to heavily. Typically it's past from father to son in most cases, though it is starting to increase in girls.

You don't just come in and yell bullshiat on something people struggle all their lives with and then not expect a fight.

Would you dare tell a mentally challenged person that it is because of their diet and lack of exercise that they gained an additional chromosome.

You sir are the ignorant one. Good day to you.
 
2013-01-22 01:18:49 PM  

steverockson: When my daughter was in third grade she started flunking everything. She couldn't read a paragraph and tell you what she just read. Every night I struggled to help her with her homework, she just couldn't get it. Anything she did in class she automatically failed. The thing is, she was (is) the best kid ever. Not a discipline problem, super smart, but she couldn't complete a task if you gave her a million bucks. It went on like that until the middle of 6th grade, I was tearing my hair out every night trying to help her pass her classes. I decided I needed to do something. I did some research on the Internet, I looked up ADD/ADHD, every symptom they listed was a symptom my daughter exhibited. It was like a lightbulb went off.

I took her to a recommended psychologist in Tulsa. They performed a battery of tests. It took an entire day. When the report came back I wasn't surprised to see that she had ADHD, in her case she really didn't have the HD component so it was somewhat masked. It was determined that she learned best by listening, not reading, but she was so easily distracted that anyone tapping a pencil or shuffling their feet would destroy her concentration.

We took her to her pediatrician and get her started on Concerta. It changed her life and ours. I say that our real daughter emerged when she started her medication. We could have a conversation with her! She could do her homework, take notes, all on her own! It was a revelation!

She's now a sophomore, honor student with a 4.0, is an all-star basketball and softball player, and wants to be a pediatrician.

I never believed in this ADHD stuff, but I'm a believer now!

/sorry for the wall of text
/Csb?


Your daughter sounds like my Husband, he wasn't diagnosed until he was in his 20's but that was what he would do all day at school. All his report cards say "Smart kid - needs to do his work".
 
2013-01-22 01:18:51 PM  

MyRandomName: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Omg. Someone disagrees with me. Must be a troll!

The fact is there has been proliferation of increased mental illness without much actual science to back it up. The tome on disorder has grown expnentially from the same science that put forth eugenics.

Do you honestly believe nearly 10% of the population is too disabled to work?You are part of the excuse, not my fault culture.

Study after study shows most add is cured or remediated through proper diet and exercise. But fark that, that shiat is hard, what is on tv.

Both of you are ignorant if you dont believe there is an excuse making culture seeking ways to pass their own blame.


I won't be lectured by someone who doesn't know what the fark they're talking about.
 
2013-01-22 01:26:21 PM  

cuzsis: steverockson: SuperSally: steverockson:

Is your daughter on ADHD medications now? If so, how is she doing?

We had her on medication for a few years and initially it was a marked improvement. As it went on, though, she was having terrible problems with weight loss and appetite suppression (It didn't help that they had lunch at 10:30 AM). Plus, by the time the meds burned through her system she was exhausted by the end of the day and had real trouble with homework, so we took her off them last year (4th grade). Oddly enough, by taking her off meds it altered what the school could do in terms of behavioral modification which I think works better than having her on meds and no behavioral modification.

Schools are so weird.

She was on Concerta and Stratera.

Maybe it worked to our advantage starting my daughter a little later. She didn't start meds until the middle of 6th grade. She had the appetite issues when we first started but I guess it's all normalized now. If she forgets to take it in the morning she says she just can't focus and doesn't even try to do her work, she just brings it home or calls me or my wife to bring her pill to her.

Good luck with your girl, they're all different.

From experience... you probably should work with coping skills with her. You can't guarantee she will always have access to medication so you need to have a decent back up plan (and it's not mom and dad bringing more medication either.)

Better to figure out coping strategies now so she doesn't risk losing her job when she's older.

Situations I have personally seen:
-Can't afford the medication + dr visit due to lack of health insurance, but can't afford to lose your job.
-Can't take time off work to get prescription refill done and are without medication for about a week.
-Forget to take medication during a day with lots of important work to be done (ie: presentation to give ect...)
-Thought you refilled your prescription only to find that you didn't and ...


I recommend this as well, while my Husband improved with the meds he didn't have any coping mechanisms so he was still disorganized, forgetful, and a little all over the place.

He went from F to C's in school, but he could have had A's and B's with a little help.
 
2013-01-22 01:29:14 PM  
The biggest problem I see is that parents these days will plunk their infant down in front of the TV and throw in a DVD because they think it's educational when in fact, it's re-wiring their children's brains so they *need* constant, rapid stimulation. Pediatricians recommend that children under 2 shouldn't watch TV at all, and it should be very limited in older children (or at least those are the guidelines I learned a decade ago; they may have been updated since). When I was a kid we didn't have Little Einstein DVDs and multiple channels dedicated to 24/7 children's programming, so kids just didn't watch all that much TV then. And, there was maybe the one weird kid in your school who was on medication, not half the class.

/*grumblegrumble* get off my lawn
 
2013-01-22 01:42:24 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: The biggest problem I see is that parents these days will plunk their infant down in front of the TV and throw in a DVD because they think it's educational when in fact, it's re-wiring their children's brains so they *need* constant, rapid stimulation. Pediatricians recommend that children under 2 shouldn't watch TV at all, and it should be very limited in older children (or at least those are the guidelines I learned a decade ago; they may have been updated since). When I was a kid we didn't have Little Einstein DVDs and multiple channels dedicated to 24/7 children's programming, so kids just didn't watch all that much TV then. And, there was maybe the one weird kid in your school who was on medication, not half the class.

/*grumblegrumble* get off my lawn


I pretty much agree with all that but I feel like if its a real case the kid will have symptoms from birth like my daughter did.
 
2013-01-22 01:44:30 PM  

Daeva: few things you wil NEVER win a SSID case with ADD alone, period no questions asked so whoever says thy are are simply lying out of embaressment for what they are really getting it for. also theres 2 types of ADD, ADD hyperactive and impulse AKA ADHD and ADD: inattentive, as a therapist and current diagnostician both fo these certainly do exist, what is heppenign however is too many parents whos children are goign through a conduct disorder, or oppositional defiant period are getting diagnosed with ADD. Add into that the fact the society like to deny the existence of sociopathy whihc despite the denial is a striking 2-4% of the population, when sociopathic qualities manifest in a child its often misconstrued ebcuse kids cnat be sociopaths right!!!!.... wrong.


As someone with ADHD, the fact that I can't understand what you're saying as a therapist has absolutely nothing to do with the ADHD, and everything to do with the complete lack of spell check.

Did they skip grammar where you went to grade school?


And now for something relevant. I stopped taking my medicine (Cylert, later taken off the market for the liver damage it causes) the day before graduating from high school. Having been unmedicated for 14 years, I can say that I can only give 100% of my focus to the task at hand if there are 293847 other things happening around me. There are a ton of coping mechanisms kids and adults can learn to stave off the loss of attention. Just find what works for you. :)
 
2013-01-22 01:47:30 PM  

lesliessexxy: And now for something relevant. I stopped taking my medicine (Cylert, later taken off the market for the liver damage it causes) the day before graduating from high school. Having been unmedicated for 14 years, I can say that I can only give 100% of my focus to the task at hand if there are 293847 other things happening around me. There are a ton of coping mechanisms kids and adults can learn to stave off the loss of attention. Just find what works for you. :)


I've found 'necessary distractions' (like music) can help me a lot.

/Still medicates, though.
 
2013-01-22 01:55:44 PM  

uttertosh: greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.

yeas... all illnesses that require treatment are. Just one huge 'Big Pharma' conspiracy. All of it. Especially asthma, MS, paranoid schizophrenia, autism and cancer. The only true illnesses are Gay, Islam and Texas Holdem Poker.


You have to admit, the evidence supporting MS is pretty shakey...
 
2013-01-22 01:56:27 PM  
look at all the bad parents in this thread.
 
2013-01-22 01:58:32 PM  

Thunderpipes: bborchar: The article says "diagnosed with ADHD", not that there are that many mor kids who actually have it.

/kids weren't made to sit at a desk 8 hours a day with no recess and a 15 minute lunch break

Kids still have recess, and gym class where I am from. What kids weren't meant to do, is watch TV and play video games all day long on their time off. They should be playing, all the time. No such thing as ADHD, only kids who are play deprived and have no discipline.



What about adults with ADHD?
 
2013-01-22 02:00:49 PM  

dragyne: ADHD doesn't always mean bouncing off the wall.


Agreed.

And ADHD doesn't always mean discipline problems and trouble-making, either. Some of us ADHDers were straight-A students who never got in trouble at home or at school.
 
2013-01-22 02:02:44 PM  

FizixJunkee: Thunderpipes: bborchar: The article says "diagnosed with ADHD", not that there are that many mor kids who actually have it.

/kids weren't made to sit at a desk 8 hours a day with no recess and a 15 minute lunch break

Kids still have recess, and gym class where I am from. What kids weren't meant to do, is watch TV and play video games all day long on their time off. They should be playing, all the time. No such thing as ADHD, only kids who are play deprived and have no discipline.


What about adults with ADHD?


Obama voters.

Seriously, no such damn thing. Adult with AD&D is just a kid who never got a backhand when he mouthed off and didn't do his chores.
 
2013-01-22 02:02:50 PM  

FizixJunkee: Thunderpipes: bborchar: The article says "diagnosed with ADHD", not that there are that many mor kids who actually have it.

/kids weren't made to sit at a desk 8 hours a day with no recess and a 15 minute lunch break

Kids still have recess, and gym class where I am from. What kids weren't meant to do, is watch TV and play video games all day long on their time off. They should be playing, all the time. No such thing as ADHD, only kids who are play deprived and have no discipline.


What about adults with ADHD?


You are responding to a character someone plays on Fark, not a real person.
 
2013-01-22 02:03:13 PM  

Thunderpipes: AD&D just sounds cooler.

No such thing anyway. Just excuses for bad parenting.


I thought this same thing until personal experience opened my eyes.
 
2013-01-22 02:06:03 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: The biggest problem I see is that parents these days will plunk their infant down in front of the TV and throw in a DVD because they think it's educational when in fact, it's re-wiring their children's brains so they *need* constant, rapid stimulation. Pediatricians recommend that children under 2 shouldn't watch TV at all, and it should be very limited in older children (or at least those are the guidelines I learned a decade ago; they may have been updated since). When I was a kid we didn't have Little Einstein DVDs and multiple channels dedicated to 24/7 children's programming, so kids just didn't watch all that much TV then. And, there was maybe the one weird kid in your school who was on medication, not half the class.

/*grumblegrumble* get off my lawn


There's a lot of environmental issues can can cause ADHD like symptoms. Ideally everyone would go through a battery of tests with a psych to get their diagnosis instead of a trip to a GP for meds.

Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families. Maybe if we had Single Payer health care there would be less incidences of it.
 
2013-01-22 02:06:38 PM  

Mr. Right:
I know it's purely anecdotal, but a couple teachers I know have figured out that students whose parent's insurance covers the treatment or children who are on Medicaid are a lot more prone to have ADHD than children who don't have insurance coverage. Has anyone ever done a study on that aspect?


From the article:
"Higher rates of ADHD observed in affluent, white families likely represent an effort by these highly educated parents to seek help for their children who may not be fulfilling their expectations for schoolwork," Getahun and his co-workers write.
 
2013-01-22 02:08:09 PM  

shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.


lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.
 
2013-01-22 02:13:52 PM  

PiffMan420: I had to stop taking my medication (Adderall). The side effects are AWFUL and the pills are really addictive. ADD meds are basically pharmaceutical grade speed, with the comedown to boot.


This hasn't been my experience at all. Adderall doesn't affect my sleep, and other than a sensation of my sinuses opening up, I can't tell if I have it in my system (except for the being able to concentrate and get things done bit).

I have four full bottles of Adderall locked up at home 'cause I never get around to taking all the ones prescribed. That is, I don't take any on the weekends, or during breaks or vacation, etc.

Oh, and I never have any cravings to take them, nor any withdrawal symptoms when I stop taking them. I'm far from being addicted.

Maybe Adderall didn't work for you, but for me it's a miracle drug.
 
2013-01-22 02:16:23 PM  

jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.


Has everybody in this thread got me on ignore? In my Boobies I gave pretty comprehensive information about how to attain this.

/in Canada
 
2013-01-22 02:17:15 PM  

shortymac:

Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families. Maybe if we had Single Payer health care there would be less incidences of it.


I didn't get any money!
 
2013-01-22 02:17:53 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.

Has everybody in this thread got me on ignore? In my Boobies I gave pretty comprehensive information about how to attain this.

/in Canada


You have Social Security and Medicaid in Canada?
 
2013-01-22 02:20:20 PM  

ManOfTeal: MyRandomName: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Omg. Someone disagrees with me. Must be a troll!

The fact is there has been proliferation of increased mental illness without much actual science to back it up. The tome on disorder has grown expnentially from the same science that put forth eugenics.

Do you honestly believe nearly 10% of the population is too disabled to work?You are part of the excuse, not my fault culture.

Study after study shows most add is cured or remediated through proper diet and exercise. But fark that, that shiat is hard, what is on tv.

Both of you are ignorant if you dont believe there is an excuse making culture seeking ways to pass their own blame.

Walk a day in my shoes asshole, then see if you still call it an excuse.

AND! Diet and exercise won't do shiat for a chemical imbalance that you get through genetics. Which ADHD has been linked to heavily. Typically it's past from father to son in most cases, though it is starting to increase in girls.

You don't just come in and yell bullshiat on something people struggle all their lives with and then not expect a fight.

Would you dare tell a mentally challenged person that it is because of their diet and lack of exercise that they gained an additional chromosome.

You sir are the ignorant one. Good day to you.


Do you not know the word most? Did I say all. God damn, learn the language. You see the same excuse making in obese people whose claims of glandular problems far outnumber actual incidence.

There are farking websites telling parents and students how to "pass" the add test.

Is your add furthering your ignorance too?
 
2013-01-22 02:23:37 PM  

FizixJunkee: PiffMan420: I had to stop taking my medication (Adderall). The side effects are AWFUL and the pills are really addictive. ADD meds are basically pharmaceutical grade speed, with the comedown to boot.


This hasn't been my experience at all. Adderall doesn't affect my sleep, and other than a sensation of my sinuses opening up, I can't tell if I have it in my system (except for the being able to concentrate and get things done bit).

I have four full bottles of Adderall locked up at home 'cause I never get around to taking all the ones prescribed. That is, I don't take any on the weekends, or during breaks or vacation, etc.

Oh, and I never have any cravings to take them, nor any withdrawal symptoms when I stop taking them. I'm far from being addicted.

Maybe Adderall didn't work for you, but for me it's a miracle drug.

This hasn't been my experience at all. Adderall doesn't affect my sleep, and other than a sensation of my sinuses opening up, I can't tell if I have it in my system (except for the being able to concentrate and get things done bit).

I have four full bottles of Adderall locked up at home 'cause I never get around to taking all the ones prescribed. That is, I don't take any on the weekends, or during breaks or vacation, etc.

Oh, and I never have any cravings to take them, nor any withdrawal symptoms when I stop taking them. I'm far from being addicted.

Maybe Adderall didn't work for you, but for me it's a miracle drug./i>

From whatI understand, the best way to confirm you have it is if the meds work. If you don't have it then you just get stoned. Like that guy, he doesn't have it.

Ohlookabutterfly: jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.

Has everybody in this thread got me on ignore? In my Boobies I gave pretty comprehensive information about how to attain this.

/in Canada
How does my Boobies get filter pwned to boobies?

 
2013-01-22 02:25:35 PM  

ManOfTeal: MyRandomName: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Omg. Someone disagrees with me. Must be a troll!

The fact is there has been proliferation of increased mental illness without much actual science to back it up. The tome on disorder has grown expnentially from the same science that put forth eugenics.

Do you honestly believe nearly 10% of the population is too disabled to work?You are part of the excuse, not my fault culture.

Study after study shows most add is cured or remediated through proper diet and exercise. But fark that, that shiat is hard, what is on tv.

Both of you are ignorant if you dont believe there is an excuse making culture seeking ways to pass their own blame.

Walk a day in my shoes asshole, then see if you still call it an excuse.

AND! Diet and exercise won't do shiat for a chemical imbalance that you get through genetics. Which ADHD has been linked to heavily. Typically it's past from father to son in most cases, though it is starting to increase in girls.

You don't just come in and yell bullshiat on something people struggle all their lives with and then not expect a fight.

Would you dare tell a mentally challenged person that it is because of their diet and lack of exercise that they gained an additional chromosome.

You sir are the ignorant one. Good day to you.


By the way. Funny you mention the mentally challenged scenario. Fark had an article two minths back on parents teaching their kids to fail those test to get increased ssi benefits.

Again. You are ignorant to the reality of an increasing culture seeking excuses.

Apparently you find this to be a personal attack even though i made no claims it doesn't exist ever.

Enjoy your ban for multiple personal attacks for merely pointing out the growing systemetic abuses.

Tired of the willing ignorance reduced to ad hominem.
 
2013-01-22 02:27:41 PM  

jst3p: Ohlookabutterfly: jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.

Has everybody in this thread got me on ignore? In my Boobies I gave pretty comprehensive information about how to attain this.

/in Canada

You have Social Security and Medicaid in Canada?


Know how I know you didn't read my post?
 
2013-01-22 02:27:42 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly:


Diagnosed at age 38, now 43, and although my life was hell up until that point I disagree with you calling us unlucky. When I was finally diagnosed I was so relieved I broke down in tears and you know exactly why I did. Since then I find I prefer the company of others with it. We are definately different and in a good way. Who else is going to be able to understand you and be tolerant of your behaviour than another with it? We also seem to be lacking the ability to be fake and malicious like most common folk. I believe it is because we can't focus long enough to be devious or the inherent naivete we have keeps us in an almost childlike mentality that prevents us from acting false or fake, pretending to be something we aren't or portray false feelings. We are open books, and although some will find us intolerable for speaking our minds and feelings without hesitation, I love myself and the rest of you with it for that very reason. We are honest. We don't have ulterior motives. I recommend joining a group therapy just to have the pleasure of being in a room full of others like yourselves and you will see what I'm talking about.


Perhaps you're a tad Aspie, too? There's a lot of overlap between Asperger's (a.k.a. Assburger's) and ADHD.
 
2013-01-22 02:28:19 PM  

jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.


I would do some research and see if she has to fill out a form or something. I have heard this repeated by many farkers and didn't believe it myself until I read it in a NYT article.

I LOL WUT'd myself because my brother has a laundry list of learning disabilities and growing up we didn't receive any payments either (to my recollection anyway). Pre-internet it was very had to get information on programs for kids. I know my Dad received an SSI stipend for each of us kids until we were 18 because got his SSI disablities (laundry list of health issues).

Please note that this article is NOT how any diagnosis should be done and the Doctor should have his license removed:
linkies: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/health/attention-disorder-or-not-chi ldren-prescribed-pills-to-help-in-school.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&smid=t w-nytimes&partner=rss&emc=rss&

/I'm very lucky to have parents who are educated enough to get my brother's LDs handled correctly and weren't hoodwinked by School Admins and Random Doctors
//Lots of bad Doctors out there who don't care
 
2013-01-22 02:33:56 PM  

FizixJunkee: Ohlookabutterfly:


Diagnosed at age 38, now 43, and although my life was hell up until that point I disagree with you calling us unlucky. When I was finally diagnosed I was so relieved I broke down in tears and you know exactly why I did. Since then I find I prefer the company of others with it. We are definately different and in a good way. Who else is going to be able to understand you and be tolerant of your behaviour than another with it? We also seem to be lacking the ability to be fake and malicious like most common folk. I believe it is because we can't focus long enough to be devious or the inherent naivete we have keeps us in an almost childlike mentality that prevents us from acting false or fake, pretending to be something we aren't or portray false feelings. We are open books, and although some will find us intolerable for speaking our minds and feelings without hesitation, I love myself and the rest of you with it for that very reason. We are honest. We don't have ulterior motives. I recommend joining a group therapy just to have the pleasure of being in a room full of others like yourselves and you will see what I'm talking about.

Perhaps you're a tad Aspie, too? There's a lot of overlap between Asperger's (a.k.a. Assburger's) and ADHD.


That has been suggested and I tend to agree. I am trying to figure out a way to have it checked without knowledge of my ADHD diagnosis interfering. Thanks for the polite suggestion :) There are many other issues that overlap with ADHD/ADD and they are called comorbids.

P.s. to all who have suggested we shouldn't have access to firearms, ADHD is classified as a learning disability, not a mental illness. If you woukd like to be taken seriously in these discussions some research may be in order, otherwise you get ignored along witht the idiots saying it doesn't exist.
 
2013-01-22 02:34:35 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: jst3p: Ohlookabutterfly: jst3p: shortymac: Apparently kids with ADD get automatic medicaid AND Social Security payments to their families.

lol wut? My girlfriends kid has an ADD diagnosis and no such payments.

Has everybody in this thread got me on ignore? In my Boobies I gave pretty comprehensive information about how to attain this.

/in Canada

You have Social Security and Medicaid in Canada?

Know how I know you didn't read my post?


I respond to a post that indicates that parents of children with ADD can get automatic Medicad and Social Security payments.

You claim to have given " comprehensive information about how to attain this", in Canada.

But I am the one that didn't read? Miss your meds today?
 
2013-01-22 02:38:50 PM  

steverockson: Reverend Monkeypants: greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.

You explain that to my daughter whose life was literally changed by her medication. I wasn't a believer either, but I am now.


Ya know what happens when you give children drugs?
Their behavior changes!
WOW, what a farking revelation.
Grats on altering your offspring's personality forever.

But hey, if it's what you need to do to avoid disciplining your child then have at it.
Just drug the kid up and hypnotize them with a book or something.
 
2013-01-22 02:39:31 PM  

shortymac: I LOL WUT'd myself because my brother has a laundry list of learning disabilities and growing up we didn't receive any payments either (to my recollection anyway). Pre-internet it was very had to get information on programs for kids. I know my Dad received an SSI stipend for each of us kids until we were 18 because got his SSI disablities (laundry list of health issues).


My quick google found this:

When we decide if your child can get SSI, we consider your child's income and resources. We also consider the income and resources of family members living in the child's household. These rules apply if your child lives at home. They also apply if he or she is away at school but returns home from time to time and is subject to your control.

If your child's income and resources, or the income and resources of family members living in the child's household, are more than the amount allowed, we will deny the child's application for SSI payments.


She probably earns too much.
 
2013-01-22 02:40:19 PM  

Felgraf:

The best way I can describe it is it's not so much that I daydream, or that I can't pay attention to things. Rather, the problem is, to some extent, the opposite; I can't NOT pay attention to things. Without training and/or medication, *I could not block out external stimuli* well at ALL.


Exactly.

\nice to see another physics person with ADHD/ADD
 
2013-01-22 02:40:29 PM  
Diagnosed in my late 30's with ADHD, so really getting a kick....

I take Adderall as needed for it - works wonders! But, in my case, I don't like taking the Adderall more than necessary - because it almost does me more harm than good after a few days of taking it: I'm like a Tourette's patient when their meds wear off and they start doing a buttload of all their Tourettes-y stuff that the meds were keeping at bay: I get more ADHD-y for about 15 minutes after my meds wear off (Last week, I seriously fed the dog coffee and put dog food in the coffee maker.) But I specifically avoid taking meds unless it's absolutely necessary - I like how my brain functions, but it feels very 'unnatural' to me, and I don't want to be a pilled out zombie who can't function without Mother's Little Helper.

ADHD is probably the 'go to' diagnosis to explain what is, probably, normal kid behavior - but, given the drastic lifestyle changes over the past few decades with kids, their normal kid energy which got burned off in our day by riding our bikes until the sun went down, playing outside, climbing trees, etc., it's probably easy to lump them all into it. Today's kids are locked in the house to be kept safe from predators and are kept busy with 400 channels and video games galore at their disposal.

Hey - look - cookies.
 
2013-01-22 02:41:30 PM  
Too many people dont understand how these drugs work.

Might as well give the kids a little cocaine and some strong Yarrow tea. Same effect.
 
2013-01-22 02:42:25 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: steverockson: Reverend Monkeypants: greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.

You explain that to my daughter whose life was literally changed by her medication. I wasn't a believer either, but I am now.

Ya know what happens when you give children drugs?
Their behavior changes!
WOW, what a farking revelation.
Grats on altering your offspring's personality forever.

But hey, if it's what you need to do to avoid disciplining your child then have at it.
Just drug the kid up and hypnotize them with a book or something.


You have no farking clue what you're talking about. We didn't get a chance to see her real personality until her disorder was treated.
 
2013-01-22 02:43:22 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Too many people dont understand how these drugs work.

Might as well give the kids a little cocaine and some strong Yarrow tea. Same effect.


Not in someone who is actually ADD.

I think it is funny that you claim others don't understand something you clealy don't understand.
 
2013-01-22 02:47:44 PM  

FizixJunkee: Felgraf:

The best way I can describe it is it's not so much that I daydream, or that I can't pay attention to things. Rather, the problem is, to some extent, the opposite; I can't NOT pay attention to things. Without training and/or medication, *I could not block out external stimuli* well at ALL.


Exactly.

\nice to see another physics person with ADHD/ADD


Hi fellow ADHD'ers!

I have to explain that distinction all the time: It's not that I don't have enough attention: It's that I have so much that picking one particular thing to focus on becomes an almost impossible task.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was in my late 30's, and, until that time, I couldn't for the life of me understand certain things: Why crowds were so much more overwhelming to me than my friends. Why I HAVE to have a radio or TV on in the background when I do damned near anything, because I NEED that extra stimuli to intentionally filter out.

People often assume that ADHD means we are stripwaxing our floors at every opportunity and bouncing off the walls with internal energy, and it's SOOO not even close to that for many folks: My is ADHD: Predominately Inattentive. Not a thing to do with my energy level, and everything to do with the slighted distraction can veer me off on an attention tangent and getting back on focus is crazy difficult.
 
2013-01-22 02:51:16 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: dragyne: ADHD doesn't always mean bouncing off the wall. The impression that all ADHD kids are balls of youthful energy is a fallacy that hurts many of those kids as they reach into adulthood. Is it over diagnosed? For those kids who are full of energy and youthful exhuberene and defiance, absolutely. But don't think for a secodn that it isn't real and that it is a function of doing what you enjoy doing.

I cannot speak for all of us unlucky ones who have ADHD as adults but unmedicated I have a hard time paying attention to ANYTHING. As in I have gotten lost in the maze of my own mind in the midst of doing pleasureable activities such as having sex, playing video games, hanging out with friends. So to me at least it is not a function of doing something that I am not interested in... it is well and truly an inability to focus.

Diagnosed at age 38, now 43, and although my life was hell up until that point I disagree with you calling us unlucky. When I was finally diagnosed I was so relieved I broke down in tears and you know exactly why I did. Since then I find I prefer the company of others with it. We are definately different and in a good way. Who else is going to be able to understand you and be tolerant of your behaviour than another with it? We also seem to be lacking the ability to be fake and malicious like most common folk. I believe it is because we can't focus long enough to be devious or the inherent naivete we have keeps us in an almost childlike mentality that prevents us from acting false or fake, pretending to be something we aren't or portray false feelings. We are open books, and although some will find us intolerable for speaking our minds and feelings without hesitation, I love myself and the rest of you with it for that very reason. We are honest. We don't have ulterior motives. I recommend joining a group therapy just to have the pleasure of being in a room full of others like yourselves and you will see what I'm talking about.

Be ...


WAIT A MIN. Does that tax credit work in Ontario as well? What form number is it? My hubby has ADD (diagnosed by a pysch) and a part of me doubts his family accountant ever filled out that form for him.

/EIP
//Reminds me that I have to get his back forms so I can figure out our joint taxes this year
 
2013-01-22 02:54:34 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: dragyne: ADHD doesn't always mean bouncing off the wall. The impression that all ADHD kids are balls of youthful energy is a fallacy that hurts many of those kids as they reach into adulthood. Is it over diagnosed? For those kids who are full of energy and youthful exhuberene and defiance, absolutely. But don't think for a secodn that it isn't real and that it is a function of doing what you enjoy doing.

I cannot speak for all of us unlucky ones who have ADHD as adults but unmedicated I have a hard time paying attention to ANYTHING. As in I have gotten lost in the maze of my own mind in the midst of doing pleasureable activities such as having sex, playing video games, hanging out with friends. So to me at least it is not a function of doing something that I am not interested in... it is well and truly an inability to focus.

Diagnosed at age 38, now 43, and although my life was hell up until that point I disagree with you calling us unlucky. When I was finally diagnosed I was so relieved I broke down in tears and you know exactly why I did. Since then I find I prefer the company of others with it. We are definately different and in a good way. Who else is going to be able to understand you and be tolerant of your behaviour than another with it? We also seem to be lacking the ability to be fake and malicious like most common folk. I believe it is because we can't focus long enough to be devious or the inherent naivete we have keeps us in an almost childlike mentality that prevents us from acting false or fake, pretending to be something we aren't or portray false feelings. We are open books, and although some will find us intolerable for speaking our minds and feelings without hesitation, I love myself and the rest of you with it for that very reason. We are honest. We don't have ulterior motives. I recommend joining a group therapy just to have the pleasure of being in a room full of others like yourselves and you will see what I'm talking about.

Be ...


You just became a favorite for this!
 
2013-01-22 02:54:59 PM  

BeatrixK: FizixJunkee: Felgraf:

The best way I can describe it is it's not so much that I daydream, or that I can't pay attention to things. Rather, the problem is, to some extent, the opposite; I can't NOT pay attention to things. Without training and/or medication, *I could not block out external stimuli* well at ALL.


Exactly.

\nice to see another physics person with ADHD/ADD

Hi fellow ADHD'ers!

I have to explain that distinction all the time: It's not that I don't have enough attention: It's that I have so much that picking one particular thing to focus on becomes an almost impossible task.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was in my late 30's, and, until that time, I couldn't for the life of me understand certain things: Why crowds were so much more overwhelming to me than my friends. Why I HAVE to have a radio or TV on in the background when I do damned near anything, because I NEED that extra stimuli to intentionally filter out.

People often assume that ADHD means we are stripwaxing our floors at every opportunity and bouncing off the walls with internal energy, and it's SOOO not even close to that for many folks: My is ADHD: Predominately Inattentive. Not a thing to do with my energy level, and everything to do with the slighted distraction can veer me off on an attention tangent and getting back on focus is crazy difficult.


Yep, for the longest time I could not figure out how my kid could possibly study with music blaring in the background until she explained to me that all the little noises in the house were way more distracting than one big noise.
 
2013-01-22 02:55:04 PM  
I'd be wary of having an ADD diagnosis on my medical records.

You never know how, or when that might come back to bite you on the ass.
 
2013-01-22 03:01:55 PM  

doczoidberg: I'd be wary of having an ADD diagnosis on my medical records.

You never know how, or when that might come back to bite you on the ass.


We can often multi-task the shiat out of stuff!

Plus, it's protected by ADA, so there's that.
 
2013-01-22 03:04:38 PM  
If you really want to eliminate AD&D, do what my dad did. Master the art of the backhand with a lit cigarette. The shock factor is awesome once the ash blows in your eyes.

And imagine that, homework gets done.

It is not because more kids are diagnosed today as opposed to a couple generations ago. A couple generations ago, little Johnny lipped off and wouldn't shut up, he got smacked, and learned. Today a kid gets a medal, a self-esteem coupon, and some Ritalin.
South Park had it 100% right.
 
2013-01-22 03:20:56 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: The biggest problem I see is that parents these days will plunk their infant down in front of the TV and throw in a DVD because they think it's educational when in fact, it's re-wiring their children's brains so they *need* constant, rapid stimulation. Pediatricians recommend that children under 2 shouldn't watch TV at all, and it should be very limited in older children (or at least those are the guidelines I learned a decade ago; they may have been updated since). When I was a kid we didn't have Little Einstein DVDs and multiple channels dedicated to 24/7 children's programming, so kids just didn't watch all that much TV then. And, there was maybe the one weird kid in your school who was on medication, not half the class.

/*grumblegrumble* get off my lawn


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

People exposing their kids, especially very young kids to WAY too much TV is just as terrible as smoking while pregnant or feeding your kids constant fast food.
 
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