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2013-01-22 09:51:15 AM

steverockson: DON.MAC: steverockson: DON.MAC: steverockson: We're very careful about "labeling" our daughter, very few people know about it, and the school sure as hell doesn't know, I doubt they would be helpful and we don't want her stigmatized.

You have labelled her and she will know even if you don't see it yet.  You need it mitigate that sooner than later.  The sooner you do it, the better for everyone.  At least you didn't label her for the rest of the world which is a very good thing.

What do you mean by "mitigate" it? We don't make a big deal out of it, for us it's like dealing with diabetes.

You mitigate it by finding solutions.  I'm guessing she isn't good at dealing with the combination of modern education combined with modern entertainment combined with modern lifestyle.  By modern I mean what every other kid is doing. You need to find the solution to balance those three.

She's perfectly fine dealing with all that as long as she takes her daily pill. Without it she ceases to function. Concerta was a godsend for us.


Remember things aren't static in a growing kid.  Unless she is 30 yrs old, her brain chemistry is changing rapidly and hormones also will start to screw up things.  The pill does also follow some very complex half life rules that I expect 99% of doctors don't understand.  Many of these meds have turn on and turn off thresholds that are different and month long half lives which mean when the dose gets to high or low it can take a long time to fix. Combine that with growth and you get a complex mess of formulas that say things will change in the future so be prepared and don't be overly worried.

I expect that most ADHD is related to the instant gratification of some mental activity in the modern world.  I suggests you look at careers that ADHD people are good at and try to steer her in those directions because I don't think it ever ends.
 
2013-01-22 09:52:32 AM

Happy Hours: steverockson: /Csb?

Either that or an astroturf marketing campaign for the drug you mentioned.

Seriously, you made it sound too good to be true.

You could probably make a good living as an evangelical preacher.


Every single word of it is true. Trust me, I never wanted my daughter to be on drugs. We went through hell for three years before finally doing something about it. I know that these meds aren't for everyone, we were ver lucky.
 
2013-01-22 09:54:57 AM

DON.MAC: steverockson: DON.MAC: steverockson: DON.MAC: steverockson: We're very careful about "labeling" our daughter, very few people know about it, and the school sure as hell doesn't know, I doubt they would be helpful and we don't want her stigmatized.

You have labelled her and she will know even if you don't see it yet.  You need it mitigate that sooner than later.  The sooner you do it, the better for everyone.  At least you didn't label her for the rest of the world which is a very good thing.

What do you mean by "mitigate" it? We don't make a big deal out of it, for us it's like dealing with diabetes.

You mitigate it by finding solutions.  I'm guessing she isn't good at dealing with the combination of modern education combined with modern entertainment combined with modern lifestyle.  By modern I mean what every other kid is doing. You need to find the solution to balance those three.

She's perfectly fine dealing with all that as long as she takes her daily pill. Without it she ceases to function. Concerta was a godsend for us.

Remember things aren't static in a growing kid.  Unless she is 30 yrs old, her brain chemistry is changing rapidly and hormones also will start to screw up things.  The pill does also follow some very complex half life rules that I expect 99% of doctors don't understand.  Many of these meds have turn on and turn off thresholds that are different and month long half lives which mean when the dose gets to high or low it can take a long time to fix. Combine that with growth and you get a complex mess of formulas that say things will change in the future so be prepared and don't be overly worried.

I expect that most ADHD is related to the instant gratification of some mental activity in the modern world.  I suggests you look at careers that ADHD people are good at and try to steer her in those directions because I don't think it ever ends.


Oh, I fully expect her to deal with it for life, but it doesn't define her.
 
2013-01-22 09:57:00 AM
steverockson:

Oh, I fully expect her to deal with it for life, but it doesn't define her.

Define her... no.

Define stuff that she has to deal with yes.  Sort of like if she gets a car, she has to deal with getting insurance.  Thats life.
 
2013-01-22 10:01:10 AM
My older daughter is on a very low dose of Vivance, that hasnt been upped in years, basically just to curb the worst aspects of her ADD. She is not hyper at all and has maturaty issues. She will cower and cry at the least provocation.

Her 3 year younger sister has already recogzined this and provokes her.
 
2013-01-22 10:08:45 AM
More like more kids are learning what to tell their doctors in order to get prescription stimulants.
 
2013-01-22 10:11:09 AM

DON.MAC: steverockson:

Oh, I fully expect her to deal with it for life, but it doesn't define her.

Define her... no.

Define stuff that she has to deal with yes.  Sort of like if she gets a car, she has to deal with getting insurance.  Thats life.


I am 35 years old. I was diagnosed with ADD (without hyperactivity) in second grade. I have been on some form of ADD meds all my life and I graduated from a four-year university, I've been married to my high school sweetheart for over 10 years now, and I have worked in IT for over 12 years. Contrary to popular belief, we can be consistent.

ADD/ADHD kids are not outcasts. With proper coping skills, understanding from others, medication (if needed), and support from family I believe we can all be successful and positive contributing members of society.
 
2013-01-22 10:21:20 AM

ManOfTeal: DON.MAC: steverockson:

Oh, I fully expect her to deal with it for life, but it doesn't define her.

Define her... no.

Define stuff that she has to deal with yes.  Sort of like if she gets a car, she has to deal with getting insurance.  Thats life.

I am 35 years old. I was diagnosed with ADD (without hyperactivity) in second grade. I have been on some form of ADD meds all my life and I graduated from a four-year university, I've been married to my high school sweetheart for over 10 years now, and I have worked in IT for over 12 years. Contrary to popular belief, we can be consistent.

ADD/ADHD kids are not outcasts. With proper coping skills, understanding from others, medication (if needed), and support from family I believe we can all be successful and positive contributing members of society.


Absolutely!
 
2013-01-22 10:31:22 AM
I wonder how long it will be before some moron lawmaker tries to stop people with a ADD diagnosis from getting a driver's license.
 
2013-01-22 10:38:54 AM

Cythraul: cyberbenali:. He was told that by a third grade teacher that he would never amount to anything. Heh...
.

What kind of teacher does that? I had my fair share of asshole teachers as a kid, but none of them ever told me that I wouldn't amount to anything.


I got that from a high school teacher. Teachers can be assholes just like everyone esle. While I am happy to see that the treatment works in some cases, I think it would be naive to think that there aren't kids out there misdiagnosed because of asshole parents or teachers.
 
2013-01-22 10:39:07 AM
I was one of those active kids in school in the early 90s. Because of that, the teacher recommended my parents have me evaluated for ADHD. She had half the boys in my class on drugs for over activity. Of course they diagnosed me, as was all the rage then. Since my parents were smart enough to sense bullshiat, they took me to a different doctor who said some little boys are just more active than others. I was on Ritalin for maybe a week.
 
2013-01-22 10:43:25 AM

steverockson: megalynn44: I'm sure raising them all on screens from birth has nothing to do with it. Kids are much better off not playing outside where it's dangerous after all.

I'm sure there are cases of that, but looking back my daughter exhibited symptoms from birth. She would never, ever go to sleep on her own, if you just put her in her crib she would cry for hours and NOT go to sleep. She had to be actively rocked to sleep EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. As a toddler if you tried to read her a book, after a minute or two she would grab it, throw it in the floor and run away. She was our oldest so we thought this was normal.


Yeah, I have a nephew with an extreme case from birth. No one could last an hour with him without giving meds. However, I also have other nephews who are given medicine specifically for school. They're perfectly normal kids but "It takes them a fraction of the time to complete their work if they just use the medicine."

My husband made an interesting point the other day talking about this, kids used to be disciplined with violence in order to get them to obey in school. This is not to claim one is superior than the other but I do think it was an interesting light to throw on things.

My family has lots of ADHD- I myself am simply ADD. I know there is a genetic component to it but I have no doubt there is also an environmental one. Just like alcoholism, even if you have the genes, you have to actually expose yourself in order to have a problem.
 
2013-01-22 10:46:08 AM
I believe that ADHD exists, but is heavily over-diagnosed. Not because parents don't want to deal with their kids, but because if the kids are crazy energetic little shiats the parents feel that "something" has to be wrong. So it's a magic bullet. Kids act nuts, they must have ADHD. And, it gives parents a chance to have something to brag about to other parents. Oh sure, they don't sound like they are bragging, but if their child has ADHD, well, just look how heroic of a parent they are because they have this challenge they must face every day! Plus, any bad behavior can be excused.
I just feel for the parents who really do have a kid with it and have to deal. Can't be easy.
 
2013-01-22 10:56:20 AM
A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.
 
2013-01-22 11:03:09 AM

Space Monkey 39: Cythraul: cyberbenali:. He was told that by a third grade teacher that he would never amount to anything. Heh...
.

What kind of teacher does that? I had my fair share of asshole teachers as a kid, but none of them ever told me that I wouldn't amount to anything.

I got that from a high school teacher. Teachers can be assholes just like everyone esle. While I am happy to see that the treatment works in some cases, I think it would be naive to think that there aren't kids out there misdiagnosed because of asshole parents or teachers.


He wasn't diagnosed until high school (5 years post idiot teacher) which is quite late to intervene effectively. It's a lot more difficult to teach the coping skills to a teenager than it is to teach a child.
 
2013-01-22 11:04:35 AM

steverockson 2013-01-22 09:52:32 AM

Happy Hours: steverockson: /Csb?

Either that or an astroturf marketing campaign for the drug you mentioned.

Seriously, you made it sound too good to be true.

You could probably make a good living as an evangelical preacher.

Every single word of it is true. Trust me, I never wanted my daughter to be on drugs. We went through hell for three years before finally doing something about it. I know that these meds aren't for everyone, we were ver lucky.


Being that Steverockson and I have been friends since High School, I can attest that he definitely isn't trying to sell anything here - he kept me updated while all this was going on and it's all true.
 
2013-01-22 11:04:53 AM

MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.


fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.
 
2013-01-22 11:08:30 AM

steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.


By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU
 
2013-01-22 11:09:52 AM
Deny AD&D morons the right to own guns. That will fix em.

Would not doubt that would be flagged as mental illness, reported by your doc tor to the ATF upon pain of prison. Now all the liberals who somehow miraculously have AD&D will get a taste of their own medicine. I swear, 75% of Farkers have AD&D or their kids have it. I wonder why?
 
2013-01-22 11:10:20 AM

ManOfTeal: DON.MAC: steverockson:

Oh, I fully expect her to deal with it for life, but it doesn't define her.

Define her... no.

Define stuff that she has to deal with yes.  Sort of like if she gets a car, she has to deal with getting insurance.  Thats life.

I am 35 years old. I was diagnosed with ADD (without hyperactivity) in second grade. I have been on some form of ADD meds all my life and I graduated from a four-year university, I've been married to my high school sweetheart for over 10 years now, and I have worked in IT for over 12 years. Contrary to popular belief, we can be consistent.

ADD/ADHD kids are not outcasts. With proper coping skills, understanding from others, medication (if needed), and support from family I believe we can all be successful and positive contributing members of society.


Absolutely, there are similarities between our experiences. However, there is a gradient of how the disorder is expressed. My SO has ADD, did not respond well to medication and stayed in the regular school stream. His other brother has ADHD, responded somewhat to medication and was placed in an alternative program to complete high school. Yet, both have been able to find well-paying jobs in which they are successful. Their other brother is younger but I think he may have a harder time as an adult. We will see.
 
2013-01-22 11:11:10 AM

Thunderpipes: Deny AD&D morons the right to own guns. That will fix em.

Would not doubt that would be flagged as mental illness, reported by your doc tor to the ATF upon pain of prison. Now all the liberals who somehow miraculously have AD&D will get a taste of their own medicine. I swear, 75% of Farkers have AD&D or their kids have it. I wonder why?


WTF is AD&D? Also, WTF are you talking about?
 
2013-01-22 11:15:17 AM

greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.

 
2013-01-22 11:15:30 AM
few things you wil NEVER win a SSID case with ADD alone, period no questions asked so whoever says thy are are simply lying out of embaressment for what they are really getting it for. also theres 2 types of ADD, ADD hyperactive and impulse AKA ADHD and ADD: inattentive, as a therapist and current diagnostician both fo these certainly do exist, what is heppenign however is too many parents whos children are goign through a conduct disorder, or oppositional defiant period are getting diagnosed with ADD. Add into that the fact the society like to deny the existence of sociopathy whihc despite the denial is a striking 2-4% of the population, when sociopathic qualities manifest in a child its often misconstrued ebcuse kids cnat be sociopaths right!!!!.... wrong.
 
2013-01-22 11:15:52 AM

steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU


Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.
 
2013-01-22 11:16:43 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.


You explain that to my daughter whose life was literally changed by her medication. I wasn't a believer either, but I am now.
 
2013-01-22 11:17:39 AM

ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.


Gotcha
 
2013-01-22 11:20:10 AM
The old test for ADHD was to beat them until they payed attention... the ones that forgot about the beatings were ADHD.
The new test is to see if kids get bored when they have nothing to do, so now 140% of children brought to doctors for diagnosis are diagnosed with it.
 
2013-01-22 11:23:41 AM

bborchar: There are kids who truly have it...but over 3% of all children? That's ridiculously high. Most of the kids "diagnosed" are done so by teachers...


False -- teachers aren't allowed to diagnose anything. At best, we're allowed to be told how we'll completely alter our instruction to accomodate the needs of one student. Parents initiate steps to have their children tested by psychologists and doctors. At no time is a teacher ever asked if a student is ADD or ADHD. We might be asked to provide additional evidence to an already-made diagnoses.
 
2013-01-22 11:31:31 AM

steverockson: megalynn44: I'm sure raising them all on screens from birth has nothing to do with it. Kids are much better off not playing outside where it's dangerous after all.

I'm sure there are cases of that, but looking back my daughter exhibited symptoms from birth. She would never, ever go to sleep on her own, if you just put her in her crib she would cry for hours and NOT go to sleep. She had to be actively rocked to sleep EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. As a toddler if you tried to read her a book, after a minute or two she would grab it, throw it in the floor and run away. She was our oldest so we thought this was normal.


My daughter did too. I gave up on breast feeding because attempting to cradle her so she couldn't look around and track things with her eyes resulted in screaming and not eating. Having her on a bottle so her head was free and she could look all over the place while she ate, worked fine. Also if we put her in any sort of play contraption that had multiple interactive functions--bouncy chair, swing, whatever, she could handle about 30 seconds before flipping out. If we removed all but one function, she could handle it for about 3-5 minutes. Her best (read: least traumatic) play place was a blanket on the floor with a few toys very far apart from each other.
 
2013-01-22 11:32:39 AM
I love it when they call "being a brat" Defiant Opposition Disorder (or whatever).

I once encountered a woman with a HORRIBLE kid who said he had that disease. Wouldn't punish him. I think both of them should have been beaten.
 
2013-01-22 11:34:01 AM

SuperSally: steverockson: megalynn44: I'm sure raising them all on screens from birth has nothing to do with it. Kids are much better off not playing outside where it's dangerous after all.

I'm sure there are cases of that, but looking back my daughter exhibited symptoms from birth. She would never, ever go to sleep on her own, if you just put her in her crib she would cry for hours and NOT go to sleep. She had to be actively rocked to sleep EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. As a toddler if you tried to read her a book, after a minute or two she would grab it, throw it in the floor and run away. She was our oldest so we thought this was normal.

My daughter did too. I gave up on breast feeding because attempting to cradle her so she couldn't look around and track things with her eyes resulted in screaming and not eating. Having her on a bottle so her head was free and she could look all over the place while she ate, worked fine. Also if we put her in any sort of play contraption that had multiple interactive functions--bouncy chair, swing, whatever, she could handle about 30 seconds before flipping out. If we removed all but one function, she could handle it for about 3-5 minutes. Her best (read: least traumatic) play place was a blanket on the floor with a few toys very far apart from each other.


Is your daughter on ADHD medications now? If so, how is she doing?
 
2013-01-22 11:42:44 AM
On a side note, I've met quite a few students who were truly ADD or ADHD - and it's immediately obvious when you speak with them. However, I've met many many more that were on medication, but clearly shouldn't have been. What they really needed was consistent parenting. Again, this was usually pretty obvious once you met their parents.

Generally speaking, we overdrug our young far too much, and I like to think that years from now, we'll remember this time in history with shame. We should never force a large segment of our population to conform through the use of chemicals. However, I see it more as a symptom than a cause. Right now, we force our students to sit still for 7-8 hours a day with little-to-no exercise while we pump them full of horrendous food (french fries every day!). It's a mess. The people could affect change to the greatest degree (teachers) are marginalized more effectively with each passing year -- yet we hold them more accountable.
 
2013-01-22 11:48:02 AM
Every single person that has ever met me would likely conclude that I have pretty substantial ADHD. I always kind of wonder what would have happened had I been medicated.
 
2013-01-22 11:50:52 AM
I grew up with ADHD - primarily inattentive. Back in the 80's, they'd almost NEVER seen someone like me - who couldn't concentrate, but didn't have the hyperactivity that tends to go with it. But I was diagnosed at age 7 by a university lab, spent the entire day there going through tests, playing, etc... all under the careful watch of the folks in white coats. For me, it was a blast - I learned a LOT that day, got to show off how smart I was (and I was - they did an IQ test while they were at it, and 149 is pretty damned high, wouldn't you say?), and these adults PLAYED with me. OMG adults who played!

So yeah. Fully and clinically diagnosed at 7. Back when ADHD was barely understood by educators, and was just getting better understood by psychologists. I was raised without medication, and instead was taught behavior therapy. Oddly enough, using the methods to raise and ADHD kid will work with ANY kid - you have to teach consequences for actions, and responsibility - and let them learn for themselves. Because just like any kid - they're not going to believe you when you talk about it, and worse than most kids, many won't even be listening to you.

They'll just see your lips moving, nod, then run off to go have fun.

Even now, I have a hard time standing there and listening to someone yammer on. I zone out, start thinking about the coffee pot at home, or the curtains that need re-hemming, or what I want to make for lunch next weekend, or how bright the person's shirt is and whether or not they know how bright it is... because DAMN. And I'm 32 now.

It's real. Very much so. But I wish that behavioral therapy was used more often than meds - because when the kids grow up, they might not be able to afford to keep taking those meds, and they're going to have to learn how to handle their shiat later in life.
 
2013-01-22 11:57:16 AM
steverockson:

Is your daughter on ADHD medications now? If so, how is she doing?

We had her on medication for a few years and initially it was a marked improvement. As it went on, though, she was having terrible problems with weight loss and appetite suppression (It didn't help that they had lunch at 10:30 AM). Plus, by the time the meds burned through her system she was exhausted by the end of the day and had real trouble with homework, so we took her off them last year (4th grade). Oddly enough, by taking her off meds it altered what the school could do in terms of behavioral modification which I think works better than having her on meds and no behavioral modification.

Schools are so weird.

She was on Concerta and Stratera.
 
2013-01-22 11:59:27 AM

TheGreatGazoo: I was diagnosed with ADD and put on Dexedrine. The pediatrician I had would basically bump up the prescription every time my mom asked (pretty much every visit). Every time that happened I would be up for a week. Well, I might finally fall asleep at 5 am, then have to get up at 6 am. Then they wondered why I couldn't pay attention. Gee, really?

Funny how when another doctor freaked out at the dose I was on and after 4 months of weaning me off of it under the supervision of a neurologist I managed to get two engineering degrees.


My son was "diagnosed" with ADHD... BY HIS 2ND GRADE TEACHER. She recommended we find a pediatrician that would put him on meds otherwise she predicted he would fail out of school. My wife and I laughed and said no. I did talk to our pediatrician about it and she laughed and said hell no. I am certain that meds could make him a more organized, more focused student but he is in all honors classes and is doing fine. Other parents complain about the hours their kids spend doing homework, I complain that he does not get enough homework.
 
2013-01-22 12:02:52 PM

SuperSally: steverockson:

Is your daughter on ADHD medications now? If so, how is she doing?

We had her on medication for a few years and initially it was a marked improvement. As it went on, though, she was having terrible problems with weight loss and appetite suppression (It didn't help that they had lunch at 10:30 AM). Plus, by the time the meds burned through her system she was exhausted by the end of the day and had real trouble with homework, so we took her off them last year (4th grade). Oddly enough, by taking her off meds it altered what the school could do in terms of behavioral modification which I think works better than having her on meds and no behavioral modification.

Schools are so weird.

She was on Concerta and Stratera.


Maybe it worked to our advantage starting my daughter a little later. She didn't start meds until the middle of 6th grade. She had the appetite issues when we first started but I guess it's all normalized now. If she forgets to take it in the morning she says she just can't focus and doesn't even try to do her work, she just brings it home or calls me or my wife to bring her pill to her.

Good luck with your girl, they're all different.
 
2013-01-22 12:06:36 PM
Also, for any other adukts out there, I found Vyvanse to be a superior med in that it lasts pretty much all day. I take Concerta when Im not on a drug plan because of the price difference but it peters out after less than 12 hours.
 
2013-01-22 12:11:18 PM

steverockson: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Gotcha


So because he said that it's basically massively over diagnosed these days (ie; from 1% to 7%) and the likely problem is lack personal responsibility and excuse making you guys put him on ignore?

He didn't say a *thing* about your kid and you flew off the handle. WTF.

I have seen *exactly* what he's talking about where I live. Just because you didn't do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

/geeze.
 
2013-01-22 12:12:22 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Sigh- I see the trolls are out in force.

As a parent to a severely ADHD kid, let me just say
1) It's real
2) It's a condition you're born with: it's not caused by (junk food|too much TV|Dr. Spock parenting|etc)
3) The drugs are a requirement to function: we'd much rather he never have to take another one.

You may now continue with your trolling


I completely agree with what you said. Also, I have ADD without the hyperactivity, but I wish I was diagnosed years earlier.
 
2013-01-22 12:12:27 PM
No such thing. It's helicopter parent Munchausen by Proxy Nightingale Stockholm syndrome.
 
2013-01-22 12:13:32 PM

steverockson: WTF is AD&D? Also, WTF are you talking about?


I figure he was getting cute with ADHD, or was typing on a phone with over-eager autocorrect(and not proofreading sufficiently).

As for what else, it's something of a valid complaint, if poorly stated. One of the big issues today is the concern about making sure mentally ill people don't get ahold of firearms. The problem with this is that nearly everybody today has SOME mental issue; even if said issue doesn't actually predispose 99% of them towards violence. If you set the bar of 'mentally ill' too high, you get nuts still able to obtain firearms and go on a rampage. Set it too low and you get some version of section 8 - 'you want a gun; you must be mentally ill(and have a small penis); denied!'. Not to mention that if you make loosing your firearms a real possibility you have the problem that gunnies won't want to seek medical intervention for any mental issue; actually increasing the danger. It's a fine line to tread.
 
2013-01-22 12:15:56 PM

PhoenixInFlames: I grew up with ADHD - primarily inattentive. Back in the 80's, they'd almost NEVER seen someone like me - who couldn't concentrate, but didn't have the hyperactivity that tends to go with it. But I was diagnosed at age 7 by a university lab, spent the entire day there going through tests, playing, etc... all under the careful watch of the folks in white coats. For me, it was a blast - I learned a LOT that day, got to show off how smart I was (and I was - they did an IQ test while they were at it, and 149 is pretty damned high, wouldn't you say?), and these adults PLAYED with me. OMG adults who played!

So yeah. Fully and clinically diagnosed at 7. Back when ADHD was barely understood by educators, and was just getting better understood by psychologists. I was raised without medication, and instead was taught behavior therapy. Oddly enough, using the methods to raise and ADHD kid will work with ANY kid - you have to teach consequences for actions, and responsibility - and let them learn for themselves. Because just like any kid - they're not going to believe you when you talk about it, and worse than most kids, many won't even be listening to you.

They'll just see your lips moving, nod, then run off to go have fun.

Even now, I have a hard time standing there and listening to someone yammer on. I zone out, start thinking about the coffee pot at home, or the curtains that need re-hemming, or what I want to make for lunch next weekend, or how bright the person's shirt is and whether or not they know how bright it is... because DAMN. And I'm 32 now.

It's real. Very much so. But I wish that behavioral therapy was used more often than meds - because when the kids grow up, they might not be able to afford to keep taking those meds, and they're going to have to learn how to handle their shiat later in life.


Heh, I zoned out while reading your post.

Not add though, at least never tested and wouldn't have taken the meds even if they prescribed them. (I'm contrary like that.) I think you're right behavior therapy would go a long way to reducing medication in general. It's almost like all kids need consistency or something to learn. Funny thing that.
 
2013-01-22 12:28:13 PM

cuzsis: PhoenixInFlames: I grew up with ADHD - primarily inattentive. Back in the 80's, they'd almost NEVER seen someone like me - who couldn't concentrate, but didn't have the hyperactivity that tends to go with it. But I was diagnosed at age 7 by a university lab, spent the entire day there going through tests, playing, etc... all under the careful watch of the folks in white coats. For me, it was a blast - I learned a LOT that day, got to show off how smart I was (and I was - they did an IQ test while they were at it, and 149 is pretty damned high, wouldn't you say?), and these adults PLAYED with me. OMG adults who played!

So yeah. Fully and clinically diagnosed at 7. Back when ADHD was barely understood by educators, and was just getting better understood by psychologists. I was raised without medication, and instead was taught behavior therapy. Oddly enough, using the methods to raise and ADHD kid will work with ANY kid - you have to teach consequences for actions, and responsibility - and let them learn for themselves. Because just like any kid - they're not going to believe you when you talk about it, and worse than most kids, many won't even be listening to you.

They'll just see your lips moving, nod, then run off to go have fun.

Even now, I have a hard time standing there and listening to someone yammer on. I zone out, start thinking about the coffee pot at home, or the curtains that need re-hemming, or what I want to make for lunch next weekend, or how bright the person's shirt is and whether or not they know how bright it is... because DAMN. And I'm 32 now.

It's real. Very much so. But I wish that behavioral therapy was used more often than meds - because when the kids grow up, they might not be able to afford to keep taking those meds, and they're going to have to learn how to handle their shiat later in life.

Heh, I zoned out while reading your post.

Not add though, at least never tested and wouldn't have taken the meds even if they prescri ...


If only all human beings fit into this nice, easily treatable bubble where what works for one person will work for all people regardless. If only reality weren't such a heartless biatch.

You cannot teach behavioral therapy to a child that is unable to calm down and focus long enough to get your point across. Unless by behavioral therapy you also mean beating the snot out of the kid and then tying him to a chair. That may work in third world countries but that won't fly where things like child abuse are not condoned.

The meds calm the mind by regulating the chemicals that are out of balance to the point where you are able to teach the child the difference between right and wrong and what good behavior is versus bad behavior. If the kid can't focus, he can't learn.
 
2013-01-22 12:29:06 PM

cuzsis: steverockson: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Gotcha

So because he said that it's basically massively over diagnosed these days (ie; from 1% to 7%) and the likely problem is lack personal responsibility and excuse making you guys put him on ignore?

He didn't say a *thing* about your kid and you flew off the handle. WTF.

I have seen *exactly* what he's talking about where I live. Just because you didn't do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

/geeze.


He said "a disease created to justify bad children". You can't see where I might be offended by that statement?
 
2013-01-22 12:31:32 PM

steverockson: SuperSally: steverockson:

Is your daughter on ADHD medications now? If so, how is she doing?

We had her on medication for a few years and initially it was a marked improvement. As it went on, though, she was having terrible problems with weight loss and appetite suppression (It didn't help that they had lunch at 10:30 AM). Plus, by the time the meds burned through her system she was exhausted by the end of the day and had real trouble with homework, so we took her off them last year (4th grade). Oddly enough, by taking her off meds it altered what the school could do in terms of behavioral modification which I think works better than having her on meds and no behavioral modification.

Schools are so weird.

She was on Concerta and Stratera.

Maybe it worked to our advantage starting my daughter a little later. She didn't start meds until the middle of 6th grade. She had the appetite issues when we first started but I guess it's all normalized now. If she forgets to take it in the morning she says she just can't focus and doesn't even try to do her work, she just brings it home or calls me or my wife to bring her pill to her.

Good luck with your girl, they're all different.


From experience... you probably should work with coping skills with her. You can't guarantee she will always have access to medication so you need to have a decent back up plan (and it's not mom and dad bringing more medication either.)

Better to figure out coping strategies now so she doesn't risk losing her job when she's older.

Situations I have personally seen:
-Can't afford the medication + dr visit due to lack of health insurance, but can't afford to lose your job.
-Can't take time off work to get prescription refill done and are without medication for about a week.
-Forget to take medication during a day with lots of important work to be done (ie: presentation to give ect...)
-Thought you refilled your prescription only to find that you didn't and need to go without for a couple days.

There are others out there I'm sure, but those are all real world real-easy-to-happen-to-you scenarios.

/last person I told this to...didn't believe me.
//their kid damn near lost their first job because one or more of the above happened and they had nothing to fall back on.
///kid has since developed coping strategies on their own, but it was understandably a rough ride.
 
2013-01-22 12:36:23 PM

doczoidberg: greenbowlpacker: ADHD - Made up by the drug companies, for the drug companies.

As someone who was given Ritalin as a kid and told he had ADD, I agree with this statement.

Sure, the drug helps kids do better in school, but at what price?

Also, it should be noted that the drug would help ANYONE do better at school.


ADD does exist, however I the issue is that a lot of doctors will give the kid medication and see it it helps him "improve", but not realizing that it will improve everyone's performance.

Also, ADD needs more than just medication: cognitive-behavioral therapy, organizational skills, exercise, and a good diet. But those are far more expensive than a prescription so insurance companies don't pay it.
 
2013-01-22 12:40:46 PM

steverockson: cuzsis: steverockson: ManOfTeal: steverockson: steverockson: MyRandomName: A disease created to justify bad children.

Amazing how everyone now has a disability. Nothing is our fault anymore.

Amazing how the 50s had 1% of the population classified disabled with the majority of work actually labor. And now we have 7%.

Astounding.

Personal responsibility is a thing of the past. Excuse making is the new norm.

fark you asshole. It's farking real. It may be over diagnosed but its farking real.

By the way., my daughter is in no way "unruly", she's the kindest, nicest kid on the planet, so again, FU€K YOU

Dude, don't feed the trolls. I simply put him on ignore. He's not worth the oxygen he breathes. I put the reason I ignored him as because he's a dumb ass.

Gotcha

So because he said that it's basically massively over diagnosed these days (ie; from 1% to 7%) and the likely problem is lack personal responsibility and excuse making you guys put him on ignore?

He didn't say a *thing* about your kid and you flew off the handle. WTF.

I have seen *exactly* what he's talking about where I live. Just because you didn't do it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

/geeze.

He said "a disease created to justify bad children". You can't see where I might be offended by that statement?


No. Because it frequently *is* used for that.

You are, thankfully, one of the few who actually have a legitimate need. (The 1% as it were). But from everything you've read here and other people have seen a vast majority of people *are* using it in place of either discipline (or sometimes just to get better grades...I think New York Times ran a study on that a while ago.)

It should come as no surprise to you that people out there think the industry is full of crap and are ready to toss the baby out with the bathwater.

One farker does not a movement make, but in this case he's hardly alone. If you were to "ignore" everyone who spouted this, you wouldn't have much of a thread to read.

Do what you like, just understand you are in the minority when it comes to having your kid take meds and people tend to generalize when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Just take it in stride and don't let it bother you.
 
2013-01-22 12:41:02 PM
List them as mental, dope them and take away their rights. It's the only way.
 
2013-01-22 12:44:48 PM

steverockson: Good luck with your girl, they're all different.


Thanks! You too!
 
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