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(Politico)   "Obama on the offense for Liberalism" You see? We were right all along. He is a SOCIALIST LIBERAL NAZI-COMMIE FASCIST. Idiots   (politico.com) divider line 60
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2013-01-22 07:49:17 AM  
I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."
 
2013-01-22 07:56:15 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


I hate that word myself, and resist using it.
 
2013-01-22 08:01:40 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


Receiving the benefits you paid into your entire life? Handouts, Entitlements, Soshulizum!!1!

Getting billions of dollars to develop a second engine for a fighter that only Congress thinks the plane needs, or a $10 billion in tax credit because your corporate negligence let almost 5 million barrels of oil spew into the Gulf of Mexico? Can't screw with that, they're "job creators".
 
2013-01-22 08:01:44 AM  
One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals
 
2013-01-22 08:01:52 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


Wait, wait, hold on....it's like you're saying you're both a "maker" AND a "taker"? According to my FB friends you cannot do that, it's one or the other.
 
2013-01-22 08:05:23 AM  
Really what subby meant is "I take offense at Obama's liberalism. You see, you were right all along, I am a jackass and my mother is a whore."
 
2013-01-22 08:06:28 AM  
Obama...his progressive intentions for a second term: to defend the aims of the entitlement state, to take on climate-change deniers, to promote gay rights and equal pay for women, to extract the country from "perpetual war" and instead refashion America's reputation at home and overseas as a "source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized, the victims of prejudice."

Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

Take on Climate Change Deniers: More heavy handed government intrusion into business? Awesome.

Promote Gay Rights: Better late than never, I guess. What was his stance in his first term?

Promote Equal Pay for Women: Good. Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

Extract the Country from Perpetual War: Using drones instead. America, fark yeah!

Refashion America's Overseas Reputation: You've done so much already, Mr. Nobel Prize winner.
 
2013-01-22 08:08:55 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


Actually that's exactly what can happen. You are NOT entitled to either social security or medicare and the government can change or kill the program at any time with no refund to you. In the 60's the Supreme court declared no contractual right exited to social security, it is merely a payroll tax not a contributory insurance program because the tax by employee and employer is paid to treasury's general fund and are not earmarked in any way.

There is no lock box, social security is a ponzi scam as it only can survive with new payers paying out old 'investors'. That's why it is in such crisis as people age out of employment they're collecting and there isn't enough new employees to cover those payments.
 
2013-01-22 08:09:37 AM  

Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals


Didn't even have to click the link to know what you're talking about. One of the best defenses of liberalism I've seen in the past 15 years.

"Yes, a liberal Republican; Senator, what happened to them? They got run out of your party! What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."
 
2013-01-22 08:10:10 AM  

Alphax: weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."

I hate that word myself, and resist using it.


I usually see Republicans use that word, and for a logical reason. The very definition of 'entitlement,' to be entitled to something, reeks of spoiled child syndrome.
 
2013-01-22 08:10:51 AM  

incendi: Really what subby meant is "I take offense at Obama's liberalism. You see, you were right all along, I am a jackass and my mother is a whore."


Actually, I was mocking Republicans thinking liberalism was bad, but please, proceed
 
2013-01-22 08:13:06 AM  

somedude210: Actually, I was mocking Republicans thinking liberalism was bad, but please, proceed


Oh come on. It doesn't work if you out yourself as a reasonable person.
 
2013-01-22 08:15:29 AM  

incendi: somedude210: Actually, I was mocking Republicans thinking liberalism was bad, but please, proceed

Oh come on. It doesn't work if you out yourself as a reasonable person.


Eh, it's more fun that way. Besides, only a dumbass would think that this wasn't mocking the Derp Brigade
 
2013-01-22 08:16:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.


I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".
 
2013-01-22 08:20:08 AM  

ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".


I do. Do you?
 
2013-01-22 08:20:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Refashion America's Overseas Reputation: You've done so much already, Mr. Nobel Prize winner.


Since when did re-fashion become the fancy way of saying "Were Not Dicks."
 
2013-01-22 08:20:18 AM  

somedude210: Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you're talking about. One of the best defenses of liberalism I've seen in the past 15 years.

"Yes, a liberal Republican; Senator, what happened to them? They got run out of your party! What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."


Indeed. Plus the numerous other things Liberals have worked for such as minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, Public Education, etc. I don't know when the word "Liberal" became such a dirty word, anybody have a general time frame for that?
 
2013-01-22 08:20:31 AM  

somedude210: Eh, it's more fun that way. Besides, only a dumbass would think that this wasn't mocking the Derp Brigade


Well, keep having fun... it's obviously working for you. Congrats on your 369th greenlight!
 
2013-01-22 08:21:19 AM  

Skarekrough: Since when did re-fashion become the fancy way of saying "Were Not Dicks."


Since we started acting like dicks. When exactly that is depends on your ideology...
 
2013-01-22 08:21:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?


So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?
 
2013-01-22 08:22:36 AM  

incendi: somedude210: Eh, it's more fun that way. Besides, only a dumbass would think that this wasn't mocking the Derp Brigade

Well, keep having fun... it's obviously working for you. Congrats on your 369th greenlight!


hahaha thanks. There are 5 others that got greened today, so thank you ^_^
 
2013-01-22 08:22:47 AM  

somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?


Are you saying that welfare is not an entitlement?
 
2013-01-22 08:23:05 AM  

nubzers: somedude210: Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you're talking about. One of the best defenses of liberalism I've seen in the past 15 years.

"Yes, a liberal Republican; Senator, what happened to them? They got run out of your party! What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

Indeed. Plus the numerous other things Liberals have worked for such as minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, Public Education, etc. I don't know when the word "Liberal" became such a dirty word, anybody have a general time frame for that?


What was the inauguration date of Reagan's first term?
 
2013-01-22 08:25:32 AM  

Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals


Dammit. I got all excited to watch the video, and then I saw it's YouTube. :-(

somedude210: Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you're talking about. One of the best defenses of liberalism I've seen in the past 15 years.

"Yes, a liberal Republican; Senator, what happened to them? They got run out of your party! What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."


But I still can't hate Arnie Vinick.

/thanks for posting the transcript
//in a country that blocks YouTube
 
2013-01-22 08:25:32 AM  

incendi: Skarekrough: Since when did re-fashion become the fancy way of saying "Were Not Dicks."

Since we started acting like dicks. When exactly that is depends on your ideology...


Eh we have always been dicks to someone. History is a long line of someone being a dick to someone else. I think the more accurate question is when we started being dicks to the majority of the world.

/there is the rub
 
2013-01-22 08:26:34 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


Sorry, you didn't work 35 years for Medicare Part D. That's an entitlement.
 
2013-01-22 08:27:26 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?

Are you saying that welfare is not an entitlement?


What's your definition of welfare? Unemployment? You pay unemployment insurance so that when/if you get unemployed, you are given the money you already paid so that you don't die of starvation on the streets of Detroit.
 
2013-01-22 08:28:46 AM  

oldass31: weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."

Sorry, you didn't work 35 years for Medicare Part D. That's an entitlement.


why are republicans giving us entitlements!? Those monsters!!!
 
2013-01-22 08:30:11 AM  

Cythraul: nubzers: somedude210: Snapper Carr: One of the last great moments on West Wing - Matt Santos on liberals

Didn't even have to click the link to know what you're talking about. One of the best defenses of liberalism I've seen in the past 15 years.

"Yes, a liberal Republican; Senator, what happened to them? They got run out of your party! What did liberals do that was so offensive to the Republican Party? I'll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act. What did Conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things, every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, 'Liberal,' as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won't work, Senator, because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor."

Indeed. Plus the numerous other things Liberals have worked for such as minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, Public Education, etc. I don't know when the word "Liberal" became such a dirty word, anybody have a general time frame for that?

What was the inauguration date of Reagan's first term?


Good point of reference. Although I think it goes further than that, probably got it's start around the same time as the Cold War kicked off. Easy to lump liberals in with commies and demonize them. Though you are right, it probably gained wider acceptance with the Reagan Campaign.
 
2013-01-22 08:30:53 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Obama...his progressive intentions for a second term: to defend the aims of the entitlement state, to take on climate-change deniers, to promote gay rights and equal pay for women, to extract the country from "perpetual war" and instead refashion America's reputation at home and overseas as a "source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized, the victims of prejudice."

Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

Take on Climate Change Deniers: More heavy handed government intrusion into business? Awesome.

Promote Gay Rights: Better late than never, I guess. What was his stance in his first term?

Promote Equal Pay for Women: Good. Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

Extract the Country from Perpetual War: Using drones instead. America, fark yeah!

Refashion America's Overseas Reputation: You've done so much already, Mr. Nobel Prize winner.


That's some mighty painful butthurt you got there. Need some cream? You'll have to apply it... liberally.
 
2013-01-22 08:33:52 AM  

somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?

Are you saying that welfare is not an entitlement?

What's your definition of welfare? Unemployment? You pay unemployment insurance so that when/if you get unemployed, you are given the money you already paid so that you don't die of starvation on the streets of Detroit.


Generally, it would be the social safety net. The money and services provided to people who may not be able to pay for them, regardless of whether they paid into the system or not. Food stamps, subsidized housing, etc.

Unemployment, Social Security, Medicare, would also fall into that broad category.

So too would farm subsidies, corporate subsidies and tax breaks, and bailouts.

These are things provided at a cost to the overall economy because the outcome of not providing it would be supposedly worse.
 
2013-01-22 08:33:56 AM  

somedude210: oldass31: weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."

Sorry, you didn't work 35 years for Medicare Part D. That's an entitlement.

why are republicans giving us entitlements!? Those monsters!!!


Unfunded entitlements? Snark
Unfunded wars? ........

Got it.
 
2013-01-22 08:35:09 AM  

nubzers: Good point of reference. Although I think it goes further than that, probably got it's start around the same time as the Cold War kicked off. Easy to lump liberals in with commies and demonize them. Though you are right, it probably gained wider acceptance with the Reagan Campaign.


The left has been demonized in this country for all but maybe 15-20 years of the 20th century - the popularity of FDR's policies in the 30's and the rise of the liberal intelligentsia in the mid-60's and resulting knock-on effect it had on the late 60's to mid-late 70's are the only times I can think of when "liberal" was not a widely used epithet.
 
2013-01-22 08:37:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?


blah blah I don't think your arguments are in good faith
 
2013-01-22 08:38:17 AM  

ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

blah blah I don't think your arguments are in good faith


Then why start one with me?
 
2013-01-22 08:48:29 AM  

oldass31: somedude210: oldass31: weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."

Sorry, you didn't work 35 years for Medicare Part D. That's an entitlement.

why are republicans giving us entitlements!? Those monsters!!!

Unfunded entitlements? Snark
Unfunded wars? ........

Got it.


wait, you think I'm for unfunded wars like Afghanistan and Iraq2: Saddam booga-ohhe'sdead? Cause I was against the first when they stopped caring and hated the second as soon as they started beating the war drums

but please, do proceed about how I'm a republican shill or something like that. It's a new label for me, I wanna see where you take this ^_^
 
2013-01-22 08:50:05 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Obama...his progressive intentions for a second term: to defend the aims of the entitlement state, to take on climate-change deniers, to promote gay rights and equal pay for women, to extract the country from "perpetual war" and instead refashion America's reputation at home and overseas as a "source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized, the victims of prejudice."

Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

Take on Climate Change Deniers: More heavy handed government intrusion into business? Awesome.

Promote Gay Rights: Better late than never, I guess. What was his stance in his first term?

Promote Equal Pay for Women: Good. Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

Extract the Country from Perpetual War: Using drones instead. America, fark yeah!

Refashion America's Overseas Reputation: You've done so much already, Mr. Nobel Prize winner.


I'm not even going to try on most of those... but he signed the Lilly Ledbetter Act exactly 4 years ago today. And I think he might have been a little busy getting our young men and women in the military out of a desert we don't rightly give two farks about and killing the Most Wanted Fugitive on the Planet to worry too much about gay rights... but nonetheless repealing DADT seems like a pretty serious step forward.

The rest just makes you sound crazy. Or bitter. I don't know. I'd like to think there's nothing "average" or "american" about you. But sadly that's probably a mistake.
 
2013-01-22 08:52:00 AM  

Snapper Carr: nubzers: Good point of reference. Although I think it goes further than that, probably got it's start around the same time as the Cold War kicked off. Easy to lump liberals in with commies and demonize them. Though you are right, it probably gained wider acceptance with the Reagan Campaign.

The left has been demonized in this country for all but maybe 15-20 years of the 20th century - the popularity of FDR's policies in the 30's and the rise of the liberal intelligentsia in the mid-60's and resulting knock-on effect it had on the late 60's to mid-late 70's are the only times I can think of when "liberal" was not a widely used epithet.


Excellent point, but I don't really recall many people using the word "liberal" at all from the turn of the 20th Century to the 30's. At least not openly. And even during the 50's "liberal" was just interchangeable with "commie" not necessarily a demonization of progressive policies (Hell Eisenhower would be considered the epitome of Stalinism by the current crop of "conservatives"). So I think it would be safer to say it started in the 50's during the red scare, went dormant during the 60's, then they dusted it off for the scary connotations it had for older Americans during the 70's and until the word has been twisted so far from it's original meaning to be almost worthless as actually describing any kind of political position in modern American politics.
 
2013-01-22 09:01:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?

Are you saying that welfare is not an entitlement?


Where has welfare even been mentioned in either Obama's speech or in any comment on this thread, other than by you?

Your redirection and avoidance of what is clearly the topic at hand is weaksauce trolling.

Still mad about that shellacking in November? Cry moar, I'm sure it will help.
 
2013-01-22 09:09:57 AM  

PawisBetlog: AverageAmericanGuy: somedude210: AverageAmericanGuy: ilambiquated: AverageAmericanGuy: Entitlement State: Obama wants more people on the dole? Sounds spiffy.

I don't think you understand the concept of "entitlement".

I do. Do you?

So you understand that by paying into it, we are entitled to receive it when we reach said age? Or are we going with the Republican definition of an entitlement?

Are you saying that welfare is not an entitlement?

Where has welfare even been mentioned in either Obama's speech or in any comment on this thread, other than by you?

Your redirection and avoidance of what is clearly the topic at hand is weaksauce trolling.

Still mad about that shellacking in November? Cry moar, I'm sure it will help.


Is Obama saying he'll work with the Republicans to shore up SS, Medicare, and other paid-in programs? Great!

About time.
 
2013-01-22 09:23:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Promote Gay Rights: Better late than never, I guess. What was his stance in his first term?


Your concern is duly noted.
 
2013-01-22 09:24:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Is Obama saying he'll work with the Republicans to shore up SS, Medicare, and other paid-in programs? Great!

About time.


Wait, Republicans intend to shore up Social Security, Medicare, and other paid-in programs? [citation needed]
 
2013-01-22 09:33:36 AM  
Yeah, after reading that speach yesterday, one of my first thoughts was "Wow, I've got some relatives who are going to be flipping the fark out tomorrow."
 
2013-01-22 09:38:05 AM  
well, over the past 20 years, republicans have been wrong on:

• global climate change
• economic policy
• foreign policy
• military policy
• gay rights
• immigration
• guns
• church/state issues
• women's issues
• voting rights

what have they been right about?
 
MFK
2013-01-22 09:46:52 AM  
Everyone laughs at the "Liberal Hippie." He is hairy and stoned and usually kinda smelly. That made it really easy to laugh and marginalize the hippie 20 years ago when he started railing on about "the environment" and "global warming". People would laugh at the hippie and say "stupid hippie. It's cold in New England. There is no global warming!" And here we are 20 years later and seeing record heat levels every month.

Everyone mocked the hippie 20 years ago when he was going on and on about Walmart and how big box stores would push the small businesses out with their artificially low prices and how they would keep wages artificially low to match and send all the manufacturing jobs to China. Everyone said "shut up hippie. We like low prices. Go be smelly somewhere else". And here we are 20 years later with big boxes and franchises sucking up all the air in the economy because they are the only ones who can afford to buy in bulk from china which is where all the manufacturing jobs went to.

Everyone laughed at the hippie for wanting to get rid of guns. Everyone scoffed at the hippie when he didn't want to go to war in Iraq. Everyone laughs at the hippies today for being upset that Wall Street is farking us all over.

As much as we hate to admit it, the liberal hippie was right all along.

Takeaway lesson: Ignore the hippie at your own peril.
 
2013-01-22 09:48:50 AM  
Every single Republican of retirement age that I know has rejected receiving Social Security and Medicare. Sure they paid into it their entire working lives, but it's the principal of the thing.

Heroes. All of them
 
2013-01-22 09:54:03 AM  

djkutch: Every single Republican of retirement age that I know has rejected receiving Social Security and Medicare. Sure they paid into it their entire working lives, but it's the principal of the thing.

Heroes. All of them


all three of them?

My dad doesn't take social security either. You know why? because he was in the Guard before the social security reform law in the 80s that allows government workers to take SS benefits. So he technically can, but it comes out of his pension.

and you know what? he paid into SS his entire life too. So fark off
 
2013-01-22 09:57:10 AM  
Obama was asked during the '08 primary which president he would most like to emulate, and he said Ronald Reagan.  That became the soundbyte, and Hillary's people hammered him on it for a single news cycle or so before everybody moved on to the next thing.

What he actually said was that Reagan had a transformative presidency.  Regardless of his actual policies, his presidency changed the culture.  It changed people's attitudes.  Obama said that more than anything, he wanted to be a transformative president.

When my conservative friends would laugh at him and say "Hope and change?  What does that even mean?"  I would say, "It means a transformative presidency, like Reagan."  They looked at me like I was crazy, and I'd just smile.

I hope he pulls it off.
 
2013-01-22 10:21:18 AM  

FlashHarry: well, over the past 20 years, republicans have been wrong on:

• global climate change
• economic policy
• foreign policy
• military policy
• gay rights
• immigration
• guns
• church/state issues
• women's issues
• voting rights

what have they been right about?


Uh... um..... Solyndra...?
No, no I guess not.
 
2013-01-22 10:39:17 AM  

weave: I hate that use of the word "entitlement" like it's some horrible, selfish thing.   I am entitled to Social Security and Medicare.  I've been paying for it for (in my case) 35 years now.

It's like putting something on layaway at some store and paying for it every week and then when it comes time to pick it up they are like "Oh, so you feel entitled for us to give you this? I'm sorry, we spent your money on something else. Stop being so selfish. Go away."


Let's be honest here. The layaway model doesn't hold. You are going to get back in benefits (in medicare) a LOT more than you've ever put in, adjusting for inflation and everything else. If you were only getting back what you put in, we wouldn't have a crisis.

I am a liberal and I believe in medicare. I want a single payer healthcare system. But this is not a case of simply getting back what you paid. If it was, we wouldn't have much of a budget problem.
 
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